---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/16/14: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:58 AM - Re: Building Wing Ribs (jarheadpilot82) 2. 05:39 AM - Re: Re: Building Wing Ribs (Michael Perez) 3. 06:46 AM - Re: Building Wing Ribs (tools) 4. 07:02 AM - Aerocarb (Douwe Blumberg) 5. 07:13 AM - Evening flight (Douwe Blumberg) 6. 07:44 AM - Re: Aerocarb (Ray Krause) 7. 08:21 AM - Re: Evening flight (tools) 8. 12:21 PM - Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning (jarheadpilot82) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:58:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Building Wing Ribs From: "jarheadpilot82" Gary, I look at things a bit differently than you. I would want "newbies" to know they can get as deep as they want, or as simple as they desire. Either way is accepted. Newbies come in all sizes and shapes with all variety of experience. I try not to put all builders in any one single mold. I know when I started on my ribs I went through 3 iterations of soaking and steaming methods til I ended upwith my high tech walmart teapot with a piece of PVC pipe glued to the mouth - about $6.00 in materials. It worked great and was dead simple. I stuck a picture in a previous post so anyone including newbies can see a simple system that worked. However the pictures is in a thread discussing wood fiber in tension as well as compression, etc etc. I got into what I call then zen of the rib. Focusing on the rib took my mind off all of the day's crap, and I really enjoyed it. I was almost sorry when I finished the last one. I am just curious - if ribs are so tedious, why are you building a biplane now? That is like a guy who hates rivets deciding to build an RV. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428550#428550 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:41 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Building Wing Ribs Tools, your write up was not a waste. Depending on the subject matter, I to o like to delve into the details of various subjects and your post does jus t that for those to come whom may want to know. Others may find a way to us e what you wrote towards other aspects in life far removed from wood planes . Its all good stuff.=0A=0AFor the record...I am not a fan of repetitivenes s. After about my 3rd rib, I had it! The newness was gone and I had "been t here, done that" X3, so the task of making the others was boring and hard t o get through. (motivation)-- However, that made actually getting them finished more exciting. =0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury Strut Fabrication/Installation ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Building Wing Ribs From: "tools" The irony of you "not getting it" was that I figured you did... and thought for a moment you were being ironic... but then thought, well, I'm not THAT good of a writer, had no pics... maybe it was tough to visualize. So when you realized my first thought, I thought REALLY?! arg! Should always go with first instincts. Either way, not my gig here, Lorenzo knows as much about it as I do, but amplification is always good. Don't care if some think it's wordy or repetitive, if ANYONE gets ANYTHING out of it, worthwhile. Personally, I LOVE things like making wing ribs. A relief from ADD in a way. Love reruns on TV too... but that's just me. Now, breaking even 5 of 30 capstrips, not having any idea why, THAT is tedium in my book. I HATE pushing the "I believe" button. One of the reasons I like WW's posts so much, VERY well founded reasoning. There's always something to agree (or not) with. The "has worked for years" alone reasoning just doesn't sit well. It's great to know, certainly a part of my reasoning, but want to know WHY it's worked for years. Something may have changed recently... ya know?! You asked for it, not trying to kidnap the post, but here's one thing I built. It's a replica. When the Navy movers carried my (soon to be) first born's mother's chair, off the truck in about 5 pieces, and she's 8 1/2 months pregnant (I swear I saw her head spin around about 5 times ala The Exorcist)... I flew into action... I'll build ya a new one!!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428561#428561 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/97e8_134.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:35 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aerocarb Ray, Don't take my comments wrongly, I really liked the aerocarb and it is what ended up on the plane for "flying day" rather than the weber or the ford carb because I loved the simplicity. I had zero problems with it. All I meant is that you have to come up with a different starting procedure than a standard designed carb. Now that you jogged my memory, I think I started it just like you do. It always worked great and there were very few moving parts. As I said, I never got to put flying hours on it, but it seems well worth trying on a ford as it really isn't too expensive. I used three carbs on the test stand and chose that one to go with. Douwe ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:56 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Evening flight Had a beautiful day here (Northern KY) yesterday so decided to bop over to the airport for an evening patrol. My 15 year-old daughter is now an avid passenger after firmly resisting the idea for years. She went with me and we did the "river run" which means following the Licking River south from Falmouth for about ten miles to the high tension lines where we turn around the come back skimming the fields. Saw a bunch of deer in the corn, a huge flock of birds skimming the river, had a very close encounter with a buzzard and got to watch the men starting to harvest the tobacco. Gave them a buzz job with smoke and I don't think a single one even looked up. what gives! (tobacco harvesting is a PIA, so maybe they were exhausted) Flew back to find stranded Stearman that needed a "jump". The lawnmower battery (not kidding) wasn't quite up to more than three starts, so I gave them a jump from my car and send them on their way. It was purchased for a young man with some physical disabilities and he was bringing it home from VA with a friend. It was awesome to see a young American still up for an adventure for it was a pretty "ratty" Stearman, they had just covered it up with a fresh coast of yellow dope, but beneath it all, it looked like it had just stopped dusting fields for the last fifty years. In other words, it was a GREAT plane! Not your usual pampered, glossy artificial looking Stearman we're used to seeing these days, but a REAL working plane. Safe, but ugly. Keep building, it's worth it!! Douwe ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:19 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aerocarb Douwe, Thanks for the info, I will keep it in mind and will have a great starting p oint if the Stromberg does not work out. I have a lot of experience with the AeroCarb, over 450 hours! Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Aug 16, 2014, at 7:02 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote: > > Ray, > > Don=99t take my comments wrongly, I really liked the aerocarb and it is what ended up on the plane for =9Cflying day=9D rather than t he weber or the ford carb because I loved the simplicity. I had zero proble ms with it. All I meant is that you have to come up with a different starti ng procedure than a standard designed carb. Now that you jogged my memory, I think I started it just like you do. It always worked great and there were very few moving parts. > > As I said, I never got to put flying hours on it, but it seems well worth t rying on a ford as it really isn=99t too expensive. > > I used three carbs on the test stand and chose that one to go with. > > Douwe > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:42 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Evening flight From: "tools" GREAT story, GREAT photo! Bravo! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428568#428568 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:21:57 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning From: "jarheadpilot82" William, Whether someone totally agrees with you or not, $80.00 sure seems like cheap insurance to manage the risk and minimize the opportunity for an engine issue and an off-field landing. What is it Ben Franklin said about being pent wise, but pound foolish? -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428576#428576 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.