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1. 07:28 AM - Re: Evening flight (Jerry Dotson)
2. 09:31 AM - Re: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning (danhelsper@aol.com)
3. 10:30 AM - Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning (jarheadpilot82)
4. 11:18 AM - Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning (aerocarjake)
5. 11:33 AM - Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning (jarheadpilot82)
6. 02:26 PM - Re: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning (danhelsper@aol.com)
7. 02:53 PM - Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning (jarheadpilot82)
8. 03:17 PM - Re: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
9. 03:36 PM - Re: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning (Boatright, Jeffrey)
10. 03:46 PM - Re: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning (danhelsper@aol.com)
11. 04:01 PM - Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning (jarheadpilot82)
12. 04:22 PM - Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning (Braniff1966)
13. 04:47 PM - Re: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning (Kip Gmail)
14. 05:11 PM - This was an interesting video for comparison (Mark Roberts)
15. 07:38 PM - Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning (Braniff1966)
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Subject: | Re: Evening flight |
Douwe,
I know you had a blast flying with your daughter. The Stearman appears to have
a 450 P&W on it's nose. It makes good compared with the old, tired Stearman
I sprayed with(1970-71). It never made it further than silver on the recover job
years before. By the time I got started flying it it had several rolls of silver
duct tape on it. I put a couple on it myself. That was in the day when a
Stearman got no respect like Rodney Dangerfield. They are a pretty piece of history
but I have no desire to fly one any more.
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Jerry Dotson
First flight June 16,2012
Flying in phase 2
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning |
WW,=0A=0A=0AI don't know about that man at Brodhead, but I c
an tell you that Rick Schreiber is no idiot. As a matter
of fact, he is a very thoughtful, intelligent and purposeful
decision maker. As for you, I would like to extend an invi
te to apply for the open position on the Board of Crumudeo
ns. Your personality is exactly what we are looking for...abra
sive, harsh, not reluctant to name-call. Please consider.=0A=0A=0A
Dan Helsper=0ALoensloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A
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Subject: | Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning |
Dan,
Since you felt the need to defend Rick, I guess I feel the need to do the same
on William's behalf. Not that he necessarily needs it.
William did not call Rick an idiot, but obviously he did call the gentleman who
helped Rick in his decision making an idiot. Because idiot's DO advise on things
they know nothing about. My take it is not that he is an idiot. Rather than
being an idiot, I believe Rick is misinformed and misguided on who to listen
to when it comes to Corvair engines used in aircraft. You can decide what words
to use when describing someone that allows their decision making to be influenced
by those who have no experience in that area. I prefer to simply use the
term misguided, as that is what is more correct - guided incorrectly.
As far as inviting William to join the Curmudgeons, I think that he would not be
welcome at that table for long. William's most recent postings that you find
"curmudgeonly" I would describe them (more accurately) as focused and direct
on areas that he feels passionate about that fall under the category of risk management
and decision making. The Curmudgeonly group often, in my opinion have
been disagreeable for disagreeability's sake, with little constructive advice
couched in the curmudgeonly responses. William is, obviously, opinionated, but
as you can see from the definition below, opinionated is not a synonym for
curmudgeon. I think his focus on tangible issues as opposed to the concept of
thinking disagreeability is somehow "funny" would put him outside of the curmudgeonly
mainstream very quickly.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
USMC, USMCR, ATP
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Subject: | Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning |
.......just as one voice in the wind, I would like to say that if anyone sees something
questionable, unsafe, concerning, or anything of the like on my project/Pietenpol,
I would appreciate if you could pull me aside quietly & whisper
it in my ear, or post it offline, or post it openly, or use a bullhorn, or shout
it from a mountaintop. I am open to input.....!
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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Subject: | Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning |
Nice comment, Jake. That is a rule we should all use as we build.
Dan, one last thing. You may not agree with, or even appreciate William's method
of bringing this to Rick or other builder's attention. The one thing you cannot
question is William's motive. He doesn't sell forged pistons. It is not his
parts for which he was questioning the lack of use. His motive is to help builders
make sound as opposed to unsound decisions. It was not a question of using
a brand new oil cooler as opposed to using a stock GM oil cooler (both are
used). It was a known flaw in parts choice that he questioned. People today think
that this is a live and let live world where people should be free to make
decisions good or bad, and we should not question their decisions. It might
hurt someone's feelings. William doesn't appear to ascribe to that notion when
it comes to risk management.
My take is like Jake's-if you see me making a bad choice from a risk management
perspective, then by all means shout it from the roof tops if that is what it
takes to get my attention.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
USMC, USMCR, ATP
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Subject: | Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning |
...........nails on chalkboard......=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----
=0AFrom: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list
<pietenpol-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Sun, Aug 17, 2014 1:33 pm=0AS
ubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning=0A=0A=0A
82@hotmail.com>=0A=0ANice comment, Jake. That is a rule we shoul
d all use as we build.=0A=0ADan, one last thing. You may n
ot agree with, or even appreciate William's method =0Aof bring
ing this to Rick or other builder's attention. The one thing
you cannot =0Aquestion is William's motive. He doesn't sell
forged pistons. It is not his =0Aparts for which he was qu
estioning the lack of use. His motive is to help =0Abuilders
make sound as opposed to unsound decisions. It was not a
question of =0Ausing a brand new oil cooler as opposed to
using a stock GM oil cooler (both are =0Aused). It was a
known flaw in parts choice that he questioned. People today
=0Athink that this is a live and let live world where peop
le should be free to make =0Adecisions good or bad, and we
should not question their decisions. It might hurt =0Asomeone
's feelings. William doesn't appear to ascribe to that notion
when it =0Acomes to risk management.=0A=0AMy take is like Jake
's-if you see me making a bad choice from a risk managemen
t =0Aperspective, then by all means shout it from the roof
tops if that is what it =0Atakes to get my attention.=0A=0A-
-------=0ASemper Fi,=0A=0ATerry Hand=0AAthens, GA=0A=0AUSMC, USMCR, AT
P=0ABVD DVD PDQ BBQ=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0A
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Subject: | Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning |
Sorry you feel that way on an open discourse, Dan. The fact that I disagree with
you and am willing to say why equates to fingernails down a chalk board says
at least as much about you, as it does me.
Don't forget the delete button works well on any of these posts. If you don't like
what I write, simply hit delete and the fingernails on a chalkboard magically
cease for you.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
USMC, USMCR, ATP
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Subject: | Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning |
This may be unwelcome, but I am going to say it anyway. When I met Wm for
the first time he looked like hell. No offense William. It was not long
after his plane wreck and he was a pile of bandages and pain. It was really,
really bad. He suffered a long time from that pain from the burns. He
doesn't want any one else to go through what he did if they can avoid it. He
got lucky and lived, some don't. His message isn't arrogance, but concern
for people because someone may save a few bucks but leave a lasting hole in
their family.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: jarheadpilot82
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 12:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning
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Dan,
Since you felt the need to defend Rick, I guess I feel the need to do the
same on William's behalf. Not that he necessarily needs it.
William did not call Rick an idiot, but obviously he did call the gentleman
who helped Rick in his decision making an idiot. Because idiot's DO advise
on things they know nothing about. My take it is not that he is an idiot.
Rather than being an idiot, I believe Rick is misinformed and misguided on
who to listen to when it comes to Corvair engines used in aircraft. You can
decide what words to use when describing someone that allows their decision
making to be influenced by those who have no experience in that area. I
prefer to simply use the term misguided, as that is what is more correct -
guided incorrectly.
As far as inviting William to join the Curmudgeons, I think that he would
not be welcome at that table for long. William's most recent postings that
you find "curmudgeonly" I would describe them (more accurately) as focused
and direct on areas that he feels passionate about that fall under the
category of risk management and decision making. The Curmudgeonly group
often, in my opinion have been disagreeable for disagreeability's sake, with
little constructive advice couched in the curmudgeonly responses. William
is, obviously, opinionated, but as you can see from the definition below,
opinionated is not a synonym for curmudgeon. I think his focus on tangible
issues as opposed to the concept of thinking disagreeability is somehow
"funny" would put him outside of the curmudgeonly mainstream very quickly.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
USMC, USMCR, ATP
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Subject: | Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning |
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Subject: | Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning |
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHe doesn't sell forged pistons=0A=0AWell, I guess h
e does..=0A"Every forged piston we have ever sold was made i
n California"=0A=0A=0ANo, Mr Hand, I do not agree with, nor
do I appreciate, his "method of bringing this to Rick's atte
ntion". I think it is low class, and more about WW's self-
importance and self aggrandizement, rather than from a genuine
concern for Rick's safety. And actually, I do question "Willia
m's motive". Dare I say, public humiliation, is not the best
way to approach the "concern" for others.=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0A
Loensloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFr
om: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list <pi
etenpol-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Sun, Aug 17, 2014 1:33 pm=0ASubj
ect: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning=0A=0A=0A-
2@hotmail.com>=0A=0ANice comment, Jake. That is a rule we should
all use as we build.=0A=0ADan, one last thing. You may no
t agree with, or even appreciate William's method =0Aof bringi
ng this to Rick or other builder's attention. The one thing
you cannot =0Aquestion is William's motive. He doesn't sell fo
rged pistons. It is not his =0Aparts for which he was ques
tioning the lack of use. His motive is to help =0Abuilders
make sound as opposed to unsound decisions. It was not a q
uestion of =0Ausing a brand new oil cooler as opposed to u
sing a stock GM oil cooler (both are =0Aused). It was a
known flaw in parts choice that he questioned. People today
=0Athink that this is a live and let live world where peop
le should be free to make =0Adecisions good or bad, and we
should not question their decisions. It might hurt =0Asomeone
's feelings. William doesn't appear to ascribe to that notion
when it =0Acomes to risk management.=0A=0AMy take is like Jake
's-if you see me making a bad choice from a risk managemen
t =0Aperspective, then by all means shout it from the roof
tops if that is what it =0Atakes to get my attention.=0A=0A-
-------=0ASemper Fi,=0A=0ATerry Hand=0AAthens, GA=0A=0AUSMC, USMCR, AT
P=0ABVD DVD PDQ BBQ=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0A
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Subject: | Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning |
Dan,
A small point of correction-
What I should have said is that William does not sell forged pistons of his own
design.
Again my point is simply this- William brought up the point in the way as he thought
it the best way to get Rick's attention. I have no way of knowing unless
Rick chooses to respond. I am not calling him out at all. I am just saying I
can't crawl inside his head in see why he made the build decision he did. Just
as you can't crawl in Williams head and surmise why he did it that way.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
USMC, USMCR, ATP
BVD DVD PDQ BBQ
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Subject: | Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning |
williams said it like it it is.. i understood his comments.. there is right, wrong,
black and white when it comes to safety.. people that beat around their bush
or someone elses bush irritate me. i want people looking at my project every
detail and telling me DIRECT if they see something im doing wrong.. i had rather
get my feelings hurt than my f______ing neck broke.. safety is everyones
job and it comes first..
hyde
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Subject: | Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning |
Actually, I think William does resell forged pistons simply because
there is a demand for them, and they are certainly in the engines he
completes for others. Also, I seem to recall that in the past that he
would bring sets to CC's and resell them at cost, just so they were
available if anyone needed them during the weekend, don't know if he
still does that. I think it is fair to say that he is not in the
business of selling pistons to make a lot of money, so Dan, your nit-
picking is really just that.
On Aug 17, 2014, at 7:01 PM, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
> >
>
> Dan,
>
> A small point of correction-
>
> What I should have said is that William does not sell forged pistons
> of his own design.
>
> Again my point is simply this- William brought up the point in the
> way as he thought it the best way to get Rick's attention. I have no
> way of knowing unless Rick chooses to respond. I am not calling him
> out at all. I am just saying I can't crawl inside his head in see
> why he made the build decision he did. Just as you can't crawl in
> Williams head and surmise why he did it that way.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
> USMC, USMCR, ATP
> BVD DVD PDQ BBQ
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428629#428629
>
>
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Subject: | This was an interesting video for comparison |
This girl is 14, and rebuilding a Pontiac Fiero. About 3 minutes in, she starts
talking about all the things she is learning while rebuilding the car... How
an engine works, how to weld, etc.
It was like listening to a presentation about why you should build an airplane.
It was inspiring! The only thing she could have done better was chose a Piet
and build an airplane instead of a car... Enjoy!
http://videos.komando.com/watch/6196/viral-videos-youll-never-guess-what-this-talented-teen-is-building-from-scratch?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=tvkim&utm_content 14-08-17-article-screen-shot-b
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Subject: | Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning |
anyone know why this dude crashed in the first place...in crm where did the error
chain start??
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