---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 08/17/14: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:28 AM - Re: Evening flight (Jerry Dotson) 2. 09:31 AM - Re: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning (danhelsper@aol.com) 3. 10:30 AM - Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning (jarheadpilot82) 4. 11:18 AM - Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning (aerocarjake) 5. 11:33 AM - Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning (jarheadpilot82) 6. 02:26 PM - Re: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning (danhelsper@aol.com) 7. 02:53 PM - Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning (jarheadpilot82) 8. 03:17 PM - Re: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning (Dennis Engelkenjohn) 9. 03:36 PM - Re: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning (Boatright, Jeffrey) 10. 03:46 PM - Re: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning (danhelsper@aol.com) 11. 04:01 PM - Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning (jarheadpilot82) 12. 04:22 PM - Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning (Braniff1966) 13. 04:47 PM - Re: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning (Kip Gmail) 14. 05:11 PM - This was an interesting video for comparison (Mark Roberts) 15. 07:38 PM - Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning (Braniff1966) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:35 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Evening flight From: "Jerry Dotson" Douwe, I know you had a blast flying with your daughter. The Stearman appears to have a 450 P&W on it's nose. It makes good compared with the old, tired Stearman I sprayed with(1970-71). It never made it further than silver on the recover job years before. By the time I got started flying it it had several rolls of silver duct tape on it. I put a couple on it myself. That was in the day when a Stearman got no respect like Rodney Dangerfield. They are a pretty piece of history but I have no desire to fly one any more. -------- Jerry Dotson First flight June 16,2012 Flying in phase 2 Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428602#428602 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:31:00 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning From: danhelsper@aol.com WW,=0A=0A=0AI don't know about that man at Brodhead, but I c an tell you that Rick Schreiber is no idiot. As a matter of fact, he is a very thoughtful, intelligent and purposeful decision maker. As for you, I would like to extend an invi te to apply for the open position on the Board of Crumudeo ns. Your personality is exactly what we are looking for...abra sive, harsh, not reluctant to name-call. Please consider.=0A=0A=0A Dan Helsper=0ALoensloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:30:41 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning From: "jarheadpilot82" Dan, Since you felt the need to defend Rick, I guess I feel the need to do the same on William's behalf. Not that he necessarily needs it. William did not call Rick an idiot, but obviously he did call the gentleman who helped Rick in his decision making an idiot. Because idiot's DO advise on things they know nothing about. My take it is not that he is an idiot. Rather than being an idiot, I believe Rick is misinformed and misguided on who to listen to when it comes to Corvair engines used in aircraft. You can decide what words to use when describing someone that allows their decision making to be influenced by those who have no experience in that area. I prefer to simply use the term misguided, as that is what is more correct - guided incorrectly. As far as inviting William to join the Curmudgeons, I think that he would not be welcome at that table for long. William's most recent postings that you find "curmudgeonly" I would describe them (more accurately) as focused and direct on areas that he feels passionate about that fall under the category of risk management and decision making. The Curmudgeonly group often, in my opinion have been disagreeable for disagreeability's sake, with little constructive advice couched in the curmudgeonly responses. William is, obviously, opinionated, but as you can see from the definition below, opinionated is not a synonym for curmudgeon. I think his focus on tangible issues as opposed to the concept of thinking disagreeability is somehow "funny" would put him outside of the curmudgeonly mainstream very quickly. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428610#428610 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:18:36 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning From: "aerocarjake" .......just as one voice in the wind, I would like to say that if anyone sees something questionable, unsafe, concerning, or anything of the like on my project/Pietenpol, I would appreciate if you could pull me aside quietly & whisper it in my ear, or post it offline, or post it openly, or use a bullhorn, or shout it from a mountaintop. I am open to input.....! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428614#428614 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:33:10 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning From: "jarheadpilot82" Nice comment, Jake. That is a rule we should all use as we build. Dan, one last thing. You may not agree with, or even appreciate William's method of bringing this to Rick or other builder's attention. The one thing you cannot question is William's motive. He doesn't sell forged pistons. It is not his parts for which he was questioning the lack of use. His motive is to help builders make sound as opposed to unsound decisions. It was not a question of using a brand new oil cooler as opposed to using a stock GM oil cooler (both are used). It was a known flaw in parts choice that he questioned. People today think that this is a live and let live world where people should be free to make decisions good or bad, and we should not question their decisions. It might hurt someone's feelings. William doesn't appear to ascribe to that notion when it comes to risk management. My take is like Jake's-if you see me making a bad choice from a risk management perspective, then by all means shout it from the roof tops if that is what it takes to get my attention. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428615#428615 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:26:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning From: danhelsper@aol.com ...........nails on chalkboard......=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message----- =0AFrom: jarheadpilot82 =0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Sun, Aug 17, 2014 1:33 pm=0AS ubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning=0A=0A=0A 82@hotmail.com>=0A=0ANice comment, Jake. That is a rule we shoul d all use as we build.=0A=0ADan, one last thing. You may n ot agree with, or even appreciate William's method =0Aof bring ing this to Rick or other builder's attention. The one thing you cannot =0Aquestion is William's motive. He doesn't sell forged pistons. It is not his =0Aparts for which he was qu estioning the lack of use. His motive is to help =0Abuilders make sound as opposed to unsound decisions. It was not a question of =0Ausing a brand new oil cooler as opposed to using a stock GM oil cooler (both are =0Aused). It was a known flaw in parts choice that he questioned. People today =0Athink that this is a live and let live world where peop le should be free to make =0Adecisions good or bad, and we should not question their decisions. It might hurt =0Asomeone 's feelings. William doesn't appear to ascribe to that notion when it =0Acomes to risk management.=0A=0AMy take is like Jake 's-if you see me making a bad choice from a risk managemen t =0Aperspective, then by all means shout it from the roof tops if that is what it =0Atakes to get my attention.=0A=0A- -------=0ASemper Fi,=0A=0ATerry Hand=0AAthens, GA=0A=0AUSMC, USMCR, AT P=0ABVD DVD PDQ BBQ=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0A http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428615#428615=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =========================== =========================== =========================== =========================== =========================== ======================0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:53:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning From: "jarheadpilot82" Sorry you feel that way on an open discourse, Dan. The fact that I disagree with you and am willing to say why equates to fingernails down a chalk board says at least as much about you, as it does me. Don't forget the delete button works well on any of these posts. If you don't like what I write, simply hit delete and the fingernails on a chalkboard magically cease for you. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428624#428624 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:17:25 PM PST US From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning This may be unwelcome, but I am going to say it anyway. When I met Wm for the first time he looked like hell. No offense William. It was not long after his plane wreck and he was a pile of bandages and pain. It was really, really bad. He suffered a long time from that pain from the burns. He doesn't want any one else to go through what he did if they can avoid it. He got lucky and lived, some don't. His message isn't arrogance, but concern for people because someone may save a few bucks but leave a lasting hole in their family. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: jarheadpilot82 Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 12:30 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning Dan, Since you felt the need to defend Rick, I guess I feel the need to do the same on William's behalf. Not that he necessarily needs it. William did not call Rick an idiot, but obviously he did call the gentleman who helped Rick in his decision making an idiot. Because idiot's DO advise on things they know nothing about. My take it is not that he is an idiot. Rather than being an idiot, I believe Rick is misinformed and misguided on who to listen to when it comes to Corvair engines used in aircraft. You can decide what words to use when describing someone that allows their decision making to be influenced by those who have no experience in that area. I prefer to simply use the term misguided, as that is what is more correct - guided incorrectly. As far as inviting William to join the Curmudgeons, I think that he would not be welcome at that table for long. William's most recent postings that you find "curmudgeonly" I would describe them (more accurately) as focused and direct on areas that he feels passionate about that fall under the category of risk management and decision making. The Curmudgeonly group often, in my opinion have been disagreeable for disagreeability's sake, with little constructive advice couched in the curmudgeonly responses. William is, obviously, opinionated, but as you can see from the definition below, opinionated is not a synonym for curmudgeon. I think his focus on tangible issues as opposed to the concept of thinking disagreeability is somehow "funny" would put him outside of the curmudgeonly mainstream very quickly. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428610#428610 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:36:59 PM PST US From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning SmFrZSBzYWlkICIuLi4uLmp1c3QgYXMgb25lIHZvaWNlIGluIHRoZSB3aW5kLCBJIHdvdWxkIGxp a2UgdG8gc2F5IHRoYXQgaWYgYW55b25lIHNlZXMgc29tZXRoaW5nIHF1ZXN0aW9uYWJsZSwgdW5z YWZlLCBjb25jZXJuaW5nLCBvciBhbnl0aGluZyBvZiB0aGUgbGlrZSBvbiBteSBwcm9qZWN0L1Bp ZXRlbnBvbCwgSSB3b3VsZCBhcHByZWNpYXRlIGlmIHlvdSBjb3VsZCBwdWxsIG1lIGFzaWRlIHF1 aWV0bHkgJiB3aGlzcGVyIGl0IGluIG15IGVhciwgb3IgcG9zdCBpdCBvZmZsaW5lLCBvciBwb3N0 IGl0IG9wZW5seSwgb3IgdXNlIGEgYnVsbGhvcm4sIG9yIHNob3V0IGl0IGZyb20gYSBtb3VudGFp bnRvcC4gSSBhbSBvcGVuIHRvIGlucHV0Li4uLi4hIOKAnA0KDQpJbiBteSBjYXNlLCB1c3VhbGx5 IHRoaXMgaW52b2x2ZXMgcGVvcGxlIHdhbmRlcmluZyBhcm91bmQgbWUgYW5kIHRoZSBQaWV0LCBt dW1ibGluZyB0aGluZ3MgYWJvdXQg4oCcbG9vc2UgbnV0IGJlaGluZCB0aGUgd2hlZWzigKYs4oCd IOKAnGRvbuKAmXQgcG9pbnQgYXQgZmFjZSB3aGlsZSBwdWxsaW5nIHRyaWdnZXLigKYs4oCdIGFu ZCDigJx1bnNhZmUgYXQgYW55IHNwZWVk4oCm4oCdDQoNCkkgY2Fu4oCZdCBmaWd1cmUgb3V0IHdo YXQgdGhleeKAmXJlIHRhbGtpbmcgYWJvdXTigKYNCg0KLS0NCg0KDQpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXw0KDQpUaGlzIGUtbWFpbCBtZXNzYWdlIChpbmNsdWRpbmcgYW55IGF0 dGFjaG1lbnRzKSBpcyBmb3IgdGhlIHNvbGUgdXNlIG9mDQp0aGUgaW50ZW5kZWQgcmVjaXBpZW50 KHMpIGFuZCBtYXkgY29udGFpbiBjb25maWRlbnRpYWwgYW5kIHByaXZpbGVnZWQNCmluZm9ybWF0 aW9uLiBJZiB0aGUgcmVhZGVyIG9mIHRoaXMgbWVzc2FnZSBpcyBub3QgdGhlIGludGVuZGVkDQpy ZWNpcGllbnQsIHlvdSBhcmUgaGVyZWJ5IG5vdGlmaWVkIHRoYXQgYW55IGRpc3NlbWluYXRpb24s IGRpc3RyaWJ1dGlvbg0Kb3IgY29weWluZyBvZiB0aGlzIG1lc3NhZ2UgKGluY2x1ZGluZyBhbnkg YXR0YWNobWVudHMpIGlzIHN0cmljdGx5DQpwcm9oaWJpdGVkLg0KDQpJZiB5b3UgaGF2ZSByZWNl aXZlZCB0aGlzIG1lc3NhZ2UgaW4gZXJyb3IsIHBsZWFzZSBjb250YWN0DQp0aGUgc2VuZGVyIGJ5 IHJlcGx5IGUtbWFpbCBtZXNzYWdlIGFuZCBkZXN0cm95IGFsbCBjb3BpZXMgb2YgdGhlDQpvcmln aW5hbCBtZXNzYWdlIChpbmNsdWRpbmcgYXR0YWNobWVudHMpLg0K ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:39 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning From: danhelsper@aol.com =0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHe doesn't sell forged pistons=0A=0AWell, I guess h e does..=0A"Every forged piston we have ever sold was made i n California"=0A=0A=0ANo, Mr Hand, I do not agree with, nor do I appreciate, his "method of bringing this to Rick's atte ntion". I think it is low class, and more about WW's self- importance and self aggrandizement, rather than from a genuine concern for Rick's safety. And actually, I do question "Willia m's motive". Dare I say, public humiliation, is not the best way to approach the "concern" for others.=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0A Loensloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFr om: jarheadpilot82 =0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Sun, Aug 17, 2014 1:33 pm=0ASubj ect: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning=0A=0A=0A- 2@hotmail.com>=0A=0ANice comment, Jake. That is a rule we should all use as we build.=0A=0ADan, one last thing. You may no t agree with, or even appreciate William's method =0Aof bringi ng this to Rick or other builder's attention. The one thing you cannot =0Aquestion is William's motive. He doesn't sell fo rged pistons. It is not his =0Aparts for which he was ques tioning the lack of use. His motive is to help =0Abuilders make sound as opposed to unsound decisions. It was not a q uestion of =0Ausing a brand new oil cooler as opposed to u sing a stock GM oil cooler (both are =0Aused). It was a known flaw in parts choice that he questioned. People today =0Athink that this is a live and let live world where peop le should be free to make =0Adecisions good or bad, and we should not question their decisions. It might hurt =0Asomeone 's feelings. William doesn't appear to ascribe to that notion when it =0Acomes to risk management.=0A=0AMy take is like Jake 's-if you see me making a bad choice from a risk managemen t =0Aperspective, then by all means shout it from the roof tops if that is what it =0Atakes to get my attention.=0A=0A- -------=0ASemper Fi,=0A=0ATerry Hand=0AAthens, GA=0A=0AUSMC, USMCR, AT P=0ABVD DVD PDQ BBQ=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0A http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428615#428615=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =========================== =========================== =========================== =========================== =========================== ======================0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:46 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning From: "jarheadpilot82" Dan, A small point of correction- What I should have said is that William does not sell forged pistons of his own design. Again my point is simply this- William brought up the point in the way as he thought it the best way to get Rick's attention. I have no way of knowing unless Rick chooses to respond. I am not calling him out at all. I am just saying I can't crawl inside his head in see why he made the build decision he did. Just as you can't crawl in Williams head and surmise why he did it that way. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428629#428629 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:22:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning From: "Braniff1966" williams said it like it it is.. i understood his comments.. there is right, wrong, black and white when it comes to safety.. people that beat around their bush or someone elses bush irritate me. i want people looking at my project every detail and telling me DIRECT if they see something im doing wrong.. i had rather get my feelings hurt than my f______ing neck broke.. safety is everyones job and it comes first.. hyde Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428630#428630 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:18 PM PST US From: Kip Gmail Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning Actually, I think William does resell forged pistons simply because there is a demand for them, and they are certainly in the engines he completes for others. Also, I seem to recall that in the past that he would bring sets to CC's and resell them at cost, just so they were available if anyone needed them during the weekend, don't know if he still does that. I think it is fair to say that he is not in the business of selling pistons to make a lot of money, so Dan, your nit- picking is really just that. On Aug 17, 2014, at 7:01 PM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: > > > > Dan, > > A small point of correction- > > What I should have said is that William does not sell forged pistons > of his own design. > > Again my point is simply this- William brought up the point in the > way as he thought it the best way to get Rick's attention. I have no > way of knowing unless Rick chooses to respond. I am not calling him > out at all. I am just saying I can't crawl inside his head in see > why he made the build decision he did. Just as you can't crawl in > Williams head and surmise why he did it that way. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > USMC, USMCR, ATP > BVD DVD PDQ BBQ > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428629#428629 > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:11:35 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: This was an interesting video for comparison From: "Mark Roberts" This girl is 14, and rebuilding a Pontiac Fiero. About 3 minutes in, she starts talking about all the things she is learning while rebuilding the car... How an engine works, how to weld, etc. It was like listening to a presentation about why you should build an airplane. It was inspiring! The only thing she could have done better was chose a Piet and build an airplane instead of a car... Enjoy! http://videos.komando.com/watch/6196/viral-videos-youll-never-guess-what-this-talented-teen-is-building-from-scratch?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=tvkim&utm_content 14-08-17-article-screen-shot-b Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428632#428632 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:57 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning From: "Braniff1966" anyone know why this dude crashed in the first place...in crm where did the error chain start?? 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