Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:20 AM - Floats (Clif Dawson)
2. 12:35 AM - Something pleasant to view (Gerry Holland)
3. 03:15 AM - Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage (Jack)
4. 03:42 AM - Re: Re: Motivational Pictures (?) (Michael Perez)
5. 04:11 AM - Re: latex paint (John Franklin)
6. 04:18 AM - Re: OUR forum (jarheadpilot82)
7. 05:17 AM - Re: Re: OUR forum (Steven Dortch)
8. 05:46 AM - Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage (AircamperN11MS)
9. 05:55 AM - Ford builders (Douwe Blumberg)
10. 05:58 AM - wing progress (Douwe Blumberg)
11. 05:59 AM - welcome Brian! (Douwe Blumberg)
12. 06:03 AM - stab shim (Douwe Blumberg)
13. 06:06 AM - stab shim (Douwe Blumberg)
14. 06:12 AM - Brian (Douwe Blumberg)
15. 06:13 AM - latex painting (Douwe Blumberg)
16. 06:17 AM - Re: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and fuselage (Gary Boothe)
17. 07:16 AM - Re: latex paint (Steven Dortch)
18. 07:20 AM - Rub stitching stab (Douwe)
19. 07:20 AM - Motivation (Jack Phillips)
20. 07:22 AM - Re: latex painting (jim hyde)
21. 07:29 AM - Re: latex paint (tools)
22. 07:58 AM - Re: Re: Motivational Pictures (?) (Michael Perez)
23. 08:02 AM - Re: Re: latex paint (Jack Textor)
24. 08:07 AM - Re: Motivation (Gary Boothe)
25. 08:15 AM - elevator travel --- (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
26. 08:30 AM - a few motivational Piet pictures (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
27. 08:30 AM - Re: Re: latex paint (Steven Dortch)
28. 08:41 AM - Re: Re: Motivational Pictures (?) (Jack Textor)
29. 08:56 AM - Re: Contact! Magazine all-Piet issue (aerocarjake)
30. 09:01 AM - Re: Contact! Magazine all-Piet issue (aerocarjake)
31. 09:13 AM - Re: Re: Motivational Pictures (?) (Ryan Mueller)
32. 09:32 AM - Re: Re: Motivational Pictures (?) (Michael Perez)
33. 09:33 AM - Re: Re: Motivational Pictures (?) (Michael Perez)
34. 09:35 AM - Re: Motivational Pictures (?) (AircamperN11MS)
35. 09:46 AM - Re: Re: 3M T-88 glue dispensing gun.... (Boatright, Jeffrey)
36. 09:57 AM - Re: stab shim (Boatright, Jeffrey)
37. 09:59 AM - Re: welcome Brian! (Riegerb)
38. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: Motivational Pictures (?) (Gary Boothe)
39. 10:28 AM - Re: a few motivational Piet pictures (jarheadpilot82)
40. 03:47 PM - Re: OUR forum (jarheadpilot82)
41. 05:03 PM - Re: Re: OUR forum (glenschweizer@yahoo.com)
42. 05:07 PM - Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage (Ray Krause)
43. 06:59 PM - Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage (jarheadpilot82)
44. 07:03 PM - Another Picture (dwilson)
45. 07:09 PM - Re: Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage (Ray Krause)
46. 07:11 PM - Re: Another Picture (tools)
47. 07:12 PM - Re: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and fuselage (Ray Krause)
48. 07:17 PM - Tail wheel angle? (Jim Markle)
49. 07:24 PM - Re: Tail wheel angle? (Gary Boothe)
50. 07:35 PM - Re: Rub stitching stab (Ray Krause)
51. 08:17 PM - Re: Tail wheel angle? (Ken Bickers)
52. 08:17 PM - Re: elevator travel --- (Ray Krause)
53. 08:58 PM - Re: Eyesight now Holiday Inn for Air Races (curtdm(at)gmail.com)
54. 09:21 PM - Re: Re: Eyesight now Holiday Inn for Air Races (Steven Dortch)
55. 09:25 PM - Re: Re: Eyesight now Holiday Inn for Air Races (Steven Dortch)
56. 09:38 PM - Re: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and fuselage (Steven Dortch)
57. 09:39 PM - Re: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and fuselage (Steven Dortch)
58. 10:36 PM - Re: Tail wheel angle? (CatDesigns)
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A short while back there was some interest in
float plans. I knew I had something on this
somewhere! but, with my huge library i just
couldn't seem to find it. Well, I have.
I found it because I'm having to cull my vast
collection of magazines. I've rented this house
for 33 years! Now the owner has sold it. Can
you imagine the stuff a painter,sculptor, carver,
airplane builder, boat builder, flute and guitar
maker might just save because, you never know,
this little piece, this big log, this piece of pipe,
angle iron, sheet steel and whatever might just
be the very thing one day??? Oh well, when it's
all done hopefully it will have been a good thing.
So, Here it is! Ta Da!
Clif
"You are the sky. Everything else - it's just the weather."
Pema Chodron
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| Subject: | Something pleasant to view |
Just spotted this for sale. Not Piet but still very nice.
http://www.afors.com/index.php?page=adview&adid=30775&imid=0
Regards
G
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| Subject: | Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage |
Ray I used double sided carpet tape that equalled my covering process. We w
ill see if it works...
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
> On Aug 19, 2014, at 10:43 PM, Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net> wrote
:
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> Thanks, Charles. I just did this the other day to attach my Horizontal sta
bilizer. But I have an allied question. I see that many folks put their plan
es completely together during the rigging process, which I am doing. The que
stion is : how do you allow for thickness change during covering? For exampl
e, the brackets holding the vertical stabilizer to the horizontal stabilizer
...if you drill the brackets AND the holes in the vertical stabilizer, the h
oles will not match up after the vertical stabilizer is covered, right? Ther
e will be two thicknesses of fabric on the bottom of the stab, plus a tape. O
r do you just allow enough space between the two stabs when drilling the hol
es and keep the stabs separated, or drill these holes after covering? There
are other locations where this occurs.
>
> Could not find a way to search for this in the forum!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Krause
> Building SkyScout
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Aug 19, 2014, at 10:36 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924@
gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Michael, That is exactly how I'm attaching the stabilizer to the fuselage
, but I still don't know how much of a shim I need to put between the two. C
huck
>>
>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Par
tners, LLC] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
>>> One way of securing the front of the horizontal stabilizer to the upper l
ongerons.
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>>> <image001.jpg> <image002.jpg>
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| Subject: | Re: Motivational Pictures (?) |
Thanks guys.=0AI had hoped others would have posted pictures by now...I'll
see if I can find a few more.=0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch se
ats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury Strut Fabrication/Installation Com
plete!
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Have you tried this website: http://wienerdogaero.com/Latex.php
This gentleman held a forum at Oshkosh last month and I was able to attend it.
He has achieved some remarkable results and he did use the hvlp sprayers.
Regards,
John Franklin
GN-1 / Corvair 164cid
Prairie Aire 4TA0
Needville, TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Braniff1966 <jnl96@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Aug 19, 2014 9:59 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex paint
>
>
>i am practice painting my heath parasol before i oaint my piety.. anyone with
lots of experience with latex... paint that is..i have researched some web sites.
no one seems to.talk about using an airless.
>
>hyde
>
>
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Jim,
Just as it is inappropriate to yell "fire" in a crowded theater, I believe that
it is inappropriate to use the "f-word" in a public forum.
I have two daughters , one 18, and the other 22. I get it that kids at that age
think the f-word is no big deal. But I, and most others on this forum grew up
at a different time.
I am no prude when it comes to that word. It is bandied about the cockpit every
time I fly and has been for 30+ years. But I wouldn't walk out into the cabin
and greet my passengers with "How the f**k are ya?"
Since you asked, that is my penny and a half.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
USMC, USMCR, ATP
BVD DVD PDQ BBQ
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428841#428841
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But Terry, I thot the F-word was what Marines say when they don't know the
word. That is why they use it ALL the time!
For the Army, the F-word is simply a way to express punctuation marks.
Blue Skies (Fword
Steve D(fword)
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 6:18 AM, jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
> Jim,
>
> Just as it is inappropriate to yell "fire" in a crowded theater, I believe
> that it is inappropriate to use the "f-word" in a public forum.
>
> I have two daughters , one 18, and the other 22. I get it that kids at
> that age think the f-word is no big deal. But I, and most others on this
> forum grew up at a different time.
>
> I am no prude when it comes to that word. It is bandied about the cockpit
> every time I fly and has been for 30+ years. But I wouldn't walk out into
> the cabin and greet my passengers with "How the f**k are ya?"
>
> Since you asked, that is my penny and a half.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
> USMC, USMCR, ATP
> BVD DVD PDQ BBQ
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428841#428841
>
>
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage |
Ray,
Yes, you do rib stitch all the tail surfaces.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428850#428850
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Hi Robert,
I had Ron Kelly build my engine. He came highly recommended but was very
pricey. I only ran my engine about 15 hrs on the test stand and it hasn't
flown yet so that's not a lot of time to form a judgement, but it ran
solidly.
As Mike said, Ken Perkins has had a fair amount of success with his
engine(s) and does beautiful work.
Good luck,
Douwe
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Very nice work Jake! I don't think many routed spars are being used any
more, kudos!
Douwe
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Welcome Brian!
Looks like you're doing nice work, and are one of those "neat" builders I've
heard about.
We look forward to watching you progress over the next few years and hope to
be of help!!
Douwe
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What "tools" said is what I did.
Douwe
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I don't think I have a shim. The stab LE just rests on the longerons,
havne't had to adjust anything to fly right.
Douwe
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Brian,
A very helpful suggestion is to contact Mike Cuy and see if you can get one
of his videos, some good proven helpful hints in there.
Douwe
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Jim Hyde, if I read correctly, you wanted latex painting suggestions? If
so, please confirm and I'll tell you what I learned.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Shim between horizontal stabilizer and fuselage |
Yesjust a bit.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray
Krause
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and
fuselage
Gary,
Did you "tweak them up" using the guy wires?
Thanks,
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 19, 2014, at 12:26 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
I did not shim, but eventually tweaked the horizontal leading edges up.
Keep in mind, if you shim the horizontal stab, you may have to adjust
the vert stab mounting brackets, so that the rudder still aligns with
the tail post.
Gary
NX308MB
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 19, 2014, at 12:00 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
wrote:
This is Steve D. When I got the plane there was THE SHIM and I
questioned John and the group on if it was needed. The learned consensus
was yes, it is needed. It is on the plans just as a note that says "Shim
between longerons and leading edge."
Chuck do a simple google search using "Matronics Pietenpol and Shim"
and you can read the whole discussion. When I get home I will measure
the one I have.
Steve D
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Charles N. Campbell
<charlescampbell1924@gmail.com> wrote:
So, John, how much did you shim between the horiz stab and the fuselage?
You gave a response but didn't say how much shim there was. Chuck
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Johnkuhfahl <kuhlcouper@gmail.com>
wrote:
For Steve-- here we go again-- got that piece I gave you-- I never did
see that on the plans...
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 19, 2014, at 11:07 AM, "Charles N. Campbell"
<charlescampbell1924@gmail.com> wrote:
On the tail plan sheet there is a note, "Screw stabilizer to fuselage,
after covering, with 1-3/4" screws. SHIM BETWEEN LEADING EDGE AND
LONGERON." The stab plan shows a piece of 3/16" plywood on the leading
edge where the stab attaches to the fuselage. I already have a piece of
1/8" plywood to fill the gap between the rounded part of the leading
edge and the 1/2" X 3/4" part of the leading edge. Now, should I shim
the stab with a 1/16' shim to make up the 3/16" shown on the plan or is
there a thicker shim in addition to the 3/16" piece of plywood. The
plan doesn't cover that. OK some of you guys who are already flying,
what did you do? Chuck
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I painted mine with Latex. I don't think I would have done it any other
way. I am still doing some detail work.
I tried sponge rollers, and sponge brushes,
I could not get a good finish with rolling it on. It came out looking like
orange skin. I still have some areas that have this "speed Mod". My
buddies rolled on paint job looks wonderful! As good or better than mine.
He did It all in one day.
I ended up using the Harbor Freight HVLP sprayer with good results. Mine is
a 20 foot paintjob.
I have struggled with heat. The only time I have to paint it is often
around 100 degrees and sometimes with high humidity. But being in San
Antonio humidity can zoom down. So with really dry days and washer fluid
as a thinner (needed to make latex thin enough to spray) I had some
applications come on slightly rough to the touch, But just a touch of very
fine sanding fixes that.
I have also struggled with paint bleeding under the tape and have had
problems with bleed for stencils, though I probably had my paint too thin.
I have used:
HVLP paint gun.
in line Pressure gauge with pressure adjustment, and inline water filter.
Harbor freight air brush for some smaller work.
Bucket of water to drop disassembled HVLP paint gun in
Disposable containers for HVLP paint gun.
Wet rag to wipe off mistakes, A lot.
xylene to carefully clean up dried mistakes.
I do use safety glasses and a good cloth/paper facemask. The fumes are not
bad but it cannot be good to breath in particulates. I used a full painting
mask and vinyl gloves when painting the metal parts with enamel auto paint.
Bad fumes.
Check out the videos on it and malcom Morrison's EAA video. that helped a
lot.
I am a fan of latex. It is fairly easy, non toxic, I could fix mistakes
and no one complained about the smell. I am overall happy with the results.
Blue (or whatever color you want to paint them.) Skies
Steve D
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 6:11 AM, John Franklin <jbfjr@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
> Have you tried this website: http://wienerdogaero.com/Latex.php
>
> This gentleman held a forum at Oshkosh last month and I was able to attend
> it. He has achieved some remarkable results and he did use the hvlp
> sprayers.
>
> Regards,
> John Franklin
> GN-1 / Corvair 164cid
> Prairie Aire 4TA0
> Needville, TX
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Braniff1966 <jnl96@yahoo.com>
> >Sent: Aug 19, 2014 9:59 PM
> >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex paint
> >
> >
> >i am practice painting my heath parasol before i oaint my piety.. anyone
> with lots of experience with latex... paint that is..i have researched some
> web sites. no one seems to.talk about using an airless.
> >
> >hyde
> >
> >
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Rub stitching stab |
Yes, all your tail surfaces should be rib stitched and use the closer spacing as
it isn't most definitely in the prop wash
Douwe
Sent from my iPhone
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With all the fussin' and fightin' that's been going on in the List lately, I
thought it appropriate to give some motivation. Here is a video I've posted
before, that was taken Sept 5, 2009, just showing what it's like flying in a
Pietenpol. This was taken by a friend of mine who shot from the front seat
of my Pietenpol, and then took the outside shots while I was giving his wife
a ride. This is Smith Mountain lake, in the Blue Ridge Mountains of
Virginia. Gorgeous scenery to fly over!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5HZGq0YZ2Y
Since this video was taken my wife and I have finished building our fly-in
Bed & Breakfast adjacent to the runway. Check out www.bedfordlandings.com
<http://www.bedfordlandings.com/> . Anybody who flies a Pietenpol in gets
one night at half price!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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| Subject: | Re: latex painting |
yes please send me any experience that you have.=0A=0Ajim =0A=0A=0AOn Wedne
sday, August 20, 2014 8:22 AM, Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0AJim Hyde, if I read correctly, you wanted latex painti
ng suggestions?=C2- If so, please confirm and I=99ll tell you what
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Insofar as humidity, conversion guns will suffer the usual problems especially
in humid environments.
Turbine based HVLP's (way expensive, but you can rent them) don't have this problem
as the air is being compressed to spray, not decompressed.
Also, turbine based systems are quite powerful, as are the more expensive conversion
guns. The better guns require A LOT of air. But, you can spray latex without
thinning (or only thinning as you need for results, not to get it through
the gun).
Are there many nozzles available for the HF gun? I've heard a lot of good things
about that gun, but they were spraying thin materials. Good to know it'll
do latex, even if requiring some thinning. If larger nozzles are available, and
sufficient air is, it might work just as well as the more expensive ones.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428874#428874
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A small item...straight axle caps.- I machined these from aluminum round
bar stock, I believe they are 6061-T6. Simple lathe work to turn them down
to the size/shape I wanted and then milled in the bolt hole and recess.=0A
=0ACome owwwwn now, someone has to have some pictures to share!=0A=0A-=0A
If God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury
Strut Fabrication/Installation Complete!
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I like my HF gun with varnish, plan to use it for latex finish coats...
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 20, 2014, at 9:29 AM, "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Insofar as humidity, conversion guns will suffer the usual problems especially
in humid environments.
>
> Turbine based HVLP's (way expensive, but you can rent them) don't have this problem
as the air is being compressed to spray, not decompressed.
>
> Also, turbine based systems are quite powerful, as are the more expensive conversion
guns. The better guns require A LOT of air. But, you can spray latex
without thinning (or only thinning as you need for results, not to get it through
the gun).
>
> Are there many nozzles available for the HF gun? I've heard a lot of good things
about that gun, but they were spraying thin materials. Good to know it'll
do latex, even if requiring some thinning. If larger nozzles are available,
and sufficient air is, it might work just as well as the more expensive ones.
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428874#428874
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>From a couple weeks agoMy daughter=99s first flight with
meIt was 98=81=B0 when we took off! (5 minute video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpDqSFeuRyI
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpDqSFeuRyI&feature=youtu.be>
&feature=youtu.be
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 7:20 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Motivation
With all the fussin=99 and fightin=99 that=99s been
going on in the List lately, I thought it appropriate to give some
motivation. Here is a video I=99ve posted before, that was taken
Sept 5, 2009, just showing what it=99s like flying in a Pietenpol.
This was taken by a friend of mine who shot from the front seat of my
Pietenpol, and then took the outside shots while I was giving his wife a
ride. This is Smith Mountain lake, in the Blue Ridge Mountains of
Virginia. Gorgeous scenery to fly over!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5HZGq0YZ2Y
Since this video was taken my wife and I have finished building our
fly-in Bed & Breakfast adjacent to the runway. Check out
www.bedfordlandings.com <http://www.bedfordlandings.com/> . Anybody
who flies a Pietenpol in gets one night at half price!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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| Subject: | a few motivational Piet pictures |
[cid:image001.jpg@01CFBC6A.04F3B730] [cid:image002.jpg@01CFBC6A.04F3B730]
Earl Brown with wife Katrina (from PA) try out Piet for size
.
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]
Checkout that very cool use of Larry William's center sec
tion for rags/supplies! (Douwe to right of Larry)
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Kevin's wife Shelley prepares Curt Merdan's daughter for a ride at Brodh
ead. Matt Paxton from V
A gives a ride to John Recine's Cousin Faith at Brodhead.
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Gentleman Jack Phillips and Greg Cardinal at Brodhead.
Kevin Pu
rtee, Ryan Mueller, Gary Boothe at Brodhead a few years ago.
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Dan Helsper at Brodhead
Jack and Susan Textor with Kevin Purtee
, center.
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I am finishing painting mine with Latex. I don't think I would have done it
any other way. I am still doing some detail work.
I tried sponge rollers, and sponge brushes, I could not get a good finish
with rolling it on. It came out looking like orange skin. I still have some
areas that have this "speed Mod". My buddies rolled on paint job looks
wonderful! As good or better than mine. He did It all in one day.
I ended up using the Harbor Freight HVLP sprayer with good results. Mine is
a 20 foot paintjob.
I have struggled with heat. The only time I have to paint it is often
around 100 degrees and sometimes with high humidity. But being in San
Antonio humidity can zoom up or down. So with really dry days and washer
fluid as a thinner (needed to make latex thin enough to spray) I had some
applications come on slightly rough to the touch, even with flotrol in it,
But just a touch of very fine sanding fixes that.
I have also struggled with paint bleeding under the tape and have had
problems with bleed for stencils, though I probably had my paint too thin.
I have used:
Semigloss latex (all "latex" is really acrylic) paint
an HF HVLP paint gun.
a in-line Pressure gauge with pressure adjustment, and inline water
filter.
Harbor freight air brush for some smaller work.
Bucket of water to drop disassembled HVLP paint gun into. makes cleanup
easy and at my leisure.
Disposable containers that go on the HVLP paint gun.
Paint filters (a paper funnel with some mesh to strain chunks)
Wet rag to wipe off mistakes, A lot.
Big pieces of cardboard to practice on and get my settings right before
painting. .
xylene to carefully clean up dried mistakes.
I do use safety glasses and a good cloth/paper facemask. The fumes are not
bad but it cannot be good to breath in particulates. I used a full painting
mask and vinyl gloves when painting the metal parts with enamel auto paint.
Bad fumes.
Check out the videos on it and malcom Morrison's painting with latex EAA
video. that helped a lot. His planes look better than mine.
I am a fan of latex. It is fairly easy, non toxic, I could fix mistakes
and no one complained about the smell. I am overall happy with the results.
Blue (or whatever color you want to paint them.) Skies
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Motivational Pictures (?) |
Michael you do nice work! Did mine from brass, will try and dig up some sho
ts when I get home.
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 20, 2014, at 9:57 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrot
e:
>
> A small item...straight axle caps. I machined these from aluminum round b
ar stock, I believe they are 6061-T6. Simple lathe work to turn them down to
the size/shape I wanted and then milled in the bolt hole and recess.
>
> Come owwwwn now, someone has to have some pictures to share!
>
> If God is your co-pilot, switch seats
> Mike Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> Jury Strut Fabrication/Installation Complete!
>
> <Axel Cap Installed.jpg>
> <Axel Cap.jpg>
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| Subject: | Re: Contact! Magazine all-Piet issue |
Well done Oscar....!!! I want a copy...........!
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Contact! Magazine all-Piet issue |
P.S. I just ordered it but forgot to specify "the Pietenpol issue"
P.P.S. PayPal uses my "legal" name (you'll be able to figure it out)
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Motivational Pictures (?) |
No, this is an Axel Cap.....although I'm not sure how straight....
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> A small item...straight axle caps. I machined these from aluminum round
> bar stock, I believe they are 6061-T6. Simple lathe work to turn them down
> to the size/shape I wanted and then milled in the bolt hole and recess.
>
> Come owwwwn now, someone has to have some pictures to share!
>
> If God is your co-pilot, switch seats
> Mike Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> Jury Strut Fabrication/Installation Complete!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Motivational Pictures (?) |
Thanks Jack. Hope you find and post the pictures.=0A=0A-=0AIf God is your
co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury Strut Fabricat
ion/Installation Complete!
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| Subject: | Re: Motivational Pictures (?) |
(Man, I really need to pay attention to how I word things...)=0A=0A-=0AIf
God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury St
rut Fabrication/Installation Complete!
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| Subject: | Re: Motivational Pictures (?) |
This could be you when you get finished.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: welcome Brian! |
Thank you for the kind words Douwe =)
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| Subject: | Re: Motivational Pictures (?) |
I 'milled' these from commercial sprinkler system water pipes.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motivational Pictures (?)
A small item...straight axle caps. I machined these from aluminum round bar
stock, I believe they are 6061-T6. Simple lathe work to turn them down to
the size/shape I wanted and then milled in the bolt hole and recess.
Come owwwwn now, someone has to have some pictures to share!
If God is your co-pilot, switch seats
Mike Perez
Karetaker Aero
Jury Strut Fabrication/Installation Complete!
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| Subject: | Re: a few motivational Piet pictures |
Mike,
I didn't see the attached photos. Please repost. Thanks!
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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Steve,
In the Marine Corps I have heard the word used as a noun, a verb, an adjective,
as well as an adverb.
All in the same sentence!
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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Just goes to show the extreme versatility and adaptability of a properly trained
Marine. We had similar training in the navy.
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| Subject: | Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage |
Jack,
And if the tape proves to be a little too thick, I guess you could add some t
o the bottom of the covered stab to make the holes line up. Great idea, I t
hink I will do this.
Thanks,
Ray Krause
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> On Aug 20, 2014, at 3:14 AM, Jack <jack@textors.com> wrote:
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> Ray I used double sided carpet tape that equalled my covering process. We
will see if it works...
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> Jack Textor
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>> On Aug 19, 2014, at 10:43 PM, Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net> wrot
e:
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>> Thanks, Charles. I just did this the other day to attach my Horizontal st
abilizer. But I have an allied question. I see that many folks put their pla
nes completely together during the rigging process, which I am doing. The qu
estion is : how do you allow for thickness change during covering? For examp
le, the brackets holding the vertical stabilizer to the horizontal stabilize
r...if you drill the brackets AND the holes in the vertical stabilizer, the h
oles will not match up after the vertical stabilizer is covered, right? Ther
e will be two thicknesses of fabric on the bottom of the stab, plus a tape. O
r do you just allow enough space between the two stabs when drilling the hol
es and keep the stabs separated, or drill these holes after covering? There
are other locations where this occurs.
>>
>> Could not find a way to search for this in the forum!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray Krause
>> Building SkyScout
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>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On Aug 19, 2014, at 10:36 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924
@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Michael, That is exactly how I'm attaching the stabilizer to the fuselag
e, but I still don't know how much of a shim I need to put between the two.
Chuck
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>>>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Pa
rtners, LLC] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
>>>> One way of securing the front of the horizontal stabilizer to the upper
longerons.
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| Subject: | Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage |
Ray,
This comes from the U.K. Pietenpol Type Acceptance Data Sheets. I have attached
a link to the entire paper, but the applicable part is pasted below.
http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/engineering/TADs/047%20PIETENPOL%20AIRCAMPER.pdf
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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Oshkosh did provide the motivation for a new throttle quadrant. I put this together
in the shop yesterday. I really like the pistol grip. What do you think,
leave the handle straight up and down or is there room to bend the lever 45
degrees ? This provides 65 degrees of arc and 2 1/2 inch of travel.
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage |
Thanks, Scott. I will then be doing that. I thought most did it, but it could not
see the tape over the horizontal stab ribs on that picture last night, that
is what led to my question.
We gotta meet some day, so close, but yet so far.
Thanks again,
Ray
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| Subject: | Re: Another Picture |
I like it! Approaching HOTAS.... Some bend, not a full 45.
Cheers!
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and fuselage |
Gary,
Seems like a great way to make a small correction.
Ray
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> On Aug 20, 2014, at 6:17 AM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Yesjust a bit.
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> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
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> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 9:00 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and fusela
ge
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> Gary,
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> Did you "tweak them up" using the guy wires?
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> Thanks,
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> Ray Krause
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> Sent from my iPad
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> On Aug 19, 2014, at 12:26 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
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> I did not shim, but eventually tweaked the horizontal leading edges up. Ke
ep in mind, if you shim the horizontal stab, you may have to adjust the vert
stab mounting brackets, so that the rudder still aligns with the tail post.
>
> Gary
> NX308MB
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> On Aug 19, 2014, at 12:00 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com> wr
ote:
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> This is Steve D. When I got the plane there was THE SHIM and I questioned J
ohn and the group on if it was needed. The learned consensus was yes, it is n
eeded. It is on the plans just as a note that says "Shim between longerons a
nd leading edge."
>
> Chuck do a simple google search using "Matronics Pietenpol and Shim" and y
ou can read the whole discussion. When I get home I will measure the one I h
ave.
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> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Charles N. Campbell <charlescampbell1924
@gmail.com> wrote:
> So, John, how much did you shim between the horiz stab and the fuselage? Y
ou gave a response but didn't say how much shim there was. Chuck
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> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Johnkuhfahl <kuhlcouper@gmail.com> wrote
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> For Steve-- here we go again-- got that piece I gave you-- I never did see
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mail.com> wrote:
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> On the tail plan sheet there is a note, "Screw stabilizer to fuselage, aft
er covering, with 1-3/4" screws. SHIM BETWEEN LEADING EDGE AND LONGERON." T
he stab plan shows a piece of 3/16" plywood on the leading edge where the st
ab attaches to the fuselage. I already have a piece of 1/8" plywood to fill
the gap between the rounded part of the leading edge and the 1/2" X 3/4" pa
rt of the leading edge. Now, should I shim the stab with a 1/16' shim to ma
ke up the 3/16" shown on the plan or is there a thicker shim in addition to t
he 3/16" piece of plywood. The plan doesn't cover that. OK some of you guy
s who are already flying, what did you do? Chuck
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| Subject: | Tail wheel angle? |
The angle on my tailwheel just doesn't look right. Too much vertical? Not enough?
I know it has to be just right so it won't wobble. But I made it several
years ago and thought I did it the way some expert recommended. :-)
Does it look right or is that somethine that can be determined without actual high
speed testing?
Suggestions?
thanks,
Jim in Pryor
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| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel angle? |
Yes, I think it's angled the wrong way.
Gary
NX308MB
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 20, 2014, at 7:17 PM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> The angle on my tailwheel just doesn't look right. Too much vertical? Not enough?
I know it has to be just right so it won't wobble. But I made it several
years ago and thought I did it the way some expert recommended. :-)
>
> Does it look right or is that somethine that can be determined without actual
high speed testing?
>
> Suggestions?
>
> thanks,
> Jim in Pryor
>
> <tailwheel small.jpg>
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| Subject: | Re: Rub stitching stab |
Thanks, Douwe, good advice, will do. I am about to order my materials from Stewart
Systems.
Do you know how much tape and thread you used?
Thanks, RAY
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 20, 2014, at 7:19 AM, Douwe <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> Yes, all your tail surfaces should be rib stitched and use the closer spacing
as it isn't most definitely in the prop wash
>
> Douwe
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel angle? |
Jim, I agree with Gary. It should be angled the other way. Ken
:)
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Yes, I think it's angled the wrong way.
>
> Gary
> NX308MB
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 20, 2014, at 7:17 PM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > The angle on my tailwheel just doesn't look right. Too much vertical?
> Not enough? I know it has to be just right so it won't wobble. But I made
> it several years ago and thought I did it the way some expert recommended.
> :-)
> >
> > Does it look right or is that somethine that can be determined without
> actual high speed testing?
> >
> > Suggestions?
> >
> > thanks,
> > Jim in Pryor
> >
> > <tailwheel small.jpg>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: elevator travel --- |
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| Subject: | Re: Eyesight now Holiday Inn for Air Races |
Steve, I'm dragging my wife and kids to it. How long will you be in town?
--------
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428945#428945
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| Subject: | Re: Eyesight now Holiday Inn for Air Races |
We will drive up friday the 5th starting from Austin about noon so we
should be at the hotel about 4or 5ish. We will leave at the end of the
races on Sunday.
Here is some information if you need it.
Texas motor speedway tickets (817) 215-8500
Our Seats are in "reserved" with seatbacks, section 110, row 48, seats
15-18. (higher seats and they only cost $10 more.
We are staying at the Sleep Inn and Suites Speedway in Roanoke Texas.
Litterally one mile from the speedway. So we will walk. website says they
still have rooms. You could watch the races from there.
You can bring in small coolers with food and even beer in cans.
Weather will be hotter than heck Mid 90s. So be ready.
Love to meet you if possible.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 10:58 PM, curtdm(at)gmail.com <curtdm@gmail.com>
wrote:
> curtdm@gmail.com>
>
> Steve, I'm dragging my wife and kids to it. How long will you be in town?
>
> --------
> Curt Merdan
> Flower Mound, TX
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428945#428945
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Eyesight now Holiday Inn for Air Races |
On second thot since you are about 30 minutes away I would consider staying
at home.
BTW tickets are for both days. About $60 per reserved seat
Heck I should have been a CSOP and fished for an invite to stay at your
house!
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 10:58 PM, curtdm(at)gmail.com <curtdm@gmail.com>
wrote:
> curtdm@gmail.com>
>
> Steve, I'm dragging my wife and kids to it. How long will you be in town?
>
> --------
> Curt Merdan
> Flower Mound, TX
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428945#428945
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and fuselage |
Hope these photos take.
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 10:43 PM, steven.d.dortch@gmail.com <
steven.d.dortch@gmail.com> wrote:
> My shim is very close to 1/4 inch.
>
>
> From my HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Ray Krause" <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
> To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
> Date: Wed, Aug 20, 2014 9:11 pm
>
>
> Gary,
>
> Seems like a great way to make a small correction.
>
> Ray
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Aug 20, 2014, at 6:17 AM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote
:
> >
> > Yesjust a bit.
> >
> > Gary Boothe
> > NX308MB
> >
> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 9:00 PM
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and
> fuselage
> >
> > Gary,
> >
> > Did you "tweak them up" using the guy wires?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ray Krause
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Aug 19, 2014, at 12:26 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > I did not shim, but eventually tweaked the horizontal leading edges up.
> Keep in mind, if you shim the horizontal stab, you may have to adjust the
> vert stab mounting brackets, so that the rudder still aligns with the tai
l
> post.
> >
> > Gary
> > NX308MB
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Aug 19, 2014, at 12:00 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > This is Steve D. When I got the plane there was THE SHIM and I
> questioned John and the group on if it was needed. The learned consensus
> was yes, it is needed. It is on the plans just as a note that says "Shim
> between longerons and leading edge."
> >
> > Chuck do a simple google search using "Matronics Pietenpol and Shim"
> and you can read the whole discussion. When I get home I will measure the
> one I have.
> >
> > Steve D
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Charles N. Campbell <
> charlescampbell1924@gmail.com> wrote:
> > So, John, how much did you shim between the horiz stab and the fuselage
?
> You gave a response but didn't say how much shim there was. Chuck
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Johnkuhfahl <kuhlcouper@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > For Steve-- here we go again-- got that piece I gave you-- I never did
> see that on the plans...
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Aug 19, 2014, at 11:07 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" <
> charlescampbell1924@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On the tail plan sheet there is a note, "Screw stabilizer to fuselage,
> after covering, with 1-3/4" screws. SHIM BETWEEN LEADING EDGE AND
> LONGERON." The stab plan shows a piece of 3/16" plywood on the leading
> edge where the stab attaches to the fuselage. I already have a piece of
> 1/8" plywood to fill the gap between the rounded part of the leading edge
> and the 1/2" X 3/4" part of the leading edge. Now, should I shim the sta
b
> with a 1/16' shim to make up the 3/16" shown on the plan or is there a
> thicker shim in addition to the 3/16" piece of plywood. The plan doesn't
> cover that. OK some of you guys who are already flying, what did you do?
> Chuck
> >
> >
> > =========
> > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> > =========
> > cs.com
> > =========
> > matronics.com/contribution
> > =========
> >
> >
> >
> > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> > tp://forums.matronics.com
> > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> > ttp://forums.matronics.com
> > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Blue Skies,
> > Steve D
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> > http://forums.matronics.com
> > http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >
> >
> >
>
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>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and fuselage |
second shot
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hope these photos take.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 10:43 PM, steven.d.dortch@gmail.com <
> steven.d.dortch@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My shim is very close to 1/4 inch.
>>
>>
>> From my HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network
>>
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Ray Krause" <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
>> To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
>> Date: Wed, Aug 20, 2014 9:11 pm
>>
>>
>> Gary,
>>
>> Seems like a great way to make a small correction.
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> > On Aug 20, 2014, at 6:17 AM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Yesjust a bit.
>> >
>> > Gary Boothe
>> > NX308MB
>> >
>> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
>> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 9:00 PM
>> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and
>> fuselage
>> >
>> > Gary,
>> >
>> > Did you "tweak them up" using the guy wires?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Ray Krause
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPad
>> >
>> > On Aug 19, 2014, at 12:26 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote
:
>> >
>> > I did not shim, but eventually tweaked the horizontal leading edges up
.
>> Keep in mind, if you shim the horizontal stab, you may have to adjust th
e
>> vert stab mounting brackets, so that the rudder still aligns with the ta
il
>> post.
>> >
>> > Gary
>> > NX308MB
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Aug 19, 2014, at 12:00 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com
>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > This is Steve D. When I got the plane there was THE SHIM and I
>> questioned John and the group on if it was needed. The learned consensus
>> was yes, it is needed. It is on the plans just as a note that says "Shim
>> between longerons and leading edge."
>> >
>> > Chuck do a simple google search using "Matronics Pietenpol and Shim"
>> and you can read the whole discussion. When I get home I will measure th
e
>> one I have.
>> >
>> > Steve D
>> >
>> > On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Charles N. Campbell <
>> charlescampbell1924@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > So, John, how much did you shim between the horiz stab and the
>> fuselage? You gave a response but didn't say how much shim there was.
>> Chuck
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Johnkuhfahl <kuhlcouper@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > For Steve-- here we go again-- got that piece I gave you-- I never did
>> see that on the plans...
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPad
>> >
>> > On Aug 19, 2014, at 11:07 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" <
>> charlescampbell1924@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > On the tail plan sheet there is a note, "Screw stabilizer to fuselage,
>> after covering, with 1-3/4" screws. SHIM BETWEEN LEADING EDGE AND
>> LONGERON." The stab plan shows a piece of 3/16" plywood on the leading
>> edge where the stab attaches to the fuselage. I already have a piece of
>> 1/8" plywood to fill the gap between the rounded part of the leading edg
e
>> and the 1/2" X 3/4" part of the leading edge. Now, should I shim the st
ab
>> with a 1/16' shim to make up the 3/16" shown on the plan or is there a
>> thicker shim in addition to the 3/16" piece of plywood. The plan doesn'
t
>> cover that. OK some of you guys who are already flying, what did you do
?
>> Chuck
>> >
>> >
>> > =========
>> > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> > =========
>> > cs.com
>> > =========
>> > matronics.com/contribution
>> > =========
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> > tp://forums.matronics.com
>> > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> > ttp://forums.matronics.com
>> > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Blue Skies,
>> > Steve D
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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| Subject: | Tail wheel angle? |
Jim,
I think it looks correct enough to not change it until you try it.
Here is why
>From http://www.ehfc.net/tailwheel%20shimmy.pdf
"HIGH WINGS
Cy Galley
Most tail wheels will shimmy quite easily if
the design geometry is wrong (most are) or if the
friction device (Scott #3234, thrust plate- #4 of
diagram) is mis-adjusted or gets grease on it.
The first item, geometry is easy to
check. The pivot should be vertical, never
slanted to the rear of the aircraft. If the pivot is
slanted towards the front of the plane, it is O.K.
This positioning is controlled by the tail wheel
spring. You can replace the spring, or have it re-
arched. The re-arching has to be done cold. No
heat!"
And this too
http://www.pierceaero.net/tws.php
http://www.pierceaero.net/techdata/tws.jpg
However, I will counter with this just to cover myself if my experts are wrong
http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/maule_tailwheel.pdf
pages 14 and 17
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestcoastPiet.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 7:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wheel angle?
The angle on my tailwheel just doesn't look right. Too much vertical? Not enough?
I know it has to be just right so it won't wobble. But I made it several
years ago and thought I did it the way some expert recommended. :-)
Does it look right or is that somethine that can be determined without actual high
speed testing?
Suggestions?
thanks,
Jim in Pryor
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