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1. 03:57 AM - Re: Re: Motivational Pictures (?) (Michael Perez)
2. 04:32 AM - Re: Tail wheel angle? (shad bell)
3. 04:42 AM - Re: Re: Motivational Pictures (?) (Jack)
4. 04:57 AM - Re: Re: Motivational Pictures (?) (Gary Boothe)
5. 05:02 AM - latex spraying (Douwe Blumberg)
6. 05:08 AM - Waynesville/Red Stewart fly-in? (Douwe Blumberg)
7. 05:42 AM - Re: latex spraying (Andre B. Charvet)
8. 05:44 AM - Re: Tail wheel angle? (Jack Phillips)
9. 05:53 AM - Re: Tail wheel angle? (giacummo)
10. 06:07 AM - Re: Re: Tail wheel angle? (Ken Bickers)
11. 06:12 AM - Re: Re: Tail wheel angle? (Steven Dortch)
12. 06:14 AM - Re: Re: Tail wheel angle? (Steven Dortch)
13. 06:25 AM - Re: Re: Motivational Pictures (?) (Michael Perez)
14. 06:53 AM - Motivation (Scott Knowlton)
15. 07:16 AM - Re: Motivation (Michael Perez)
16. 07:37 AM - Butt Ribs (Pocono John)
17. 07:38 AM - Re: Tail wheel angle? (giacummo)
18. 07:43 AM - Motivation - Fly Fishing (Don Emch)
19. 07:49 AM - Re: Tail wheel angle? (Don Emch)
20. 08:18 AM - Re: Motivation (Marcus Zechini)
21. 08:39 AM - Re: latex spraying (jim hyde)
22. 09:02 AM - Re: Butt Ribs (Barry Davis)
23. 09:21 AM - Re: Tail wheel angle? (dfwplt)
24. 09:34 AM - Re: latex spraying (PatrickW)
25. 10:06 AM - Re: Motivation - Fly Fishing (AircamperN11MS)
26. 11:10 AM - Re: Motivation - Fly Fishing (nightmare)
27. 11:33 AM - Re: Motivation - Fly Fishing (tools)
28. 01:42 PM - Re: Motivation - Fly Fishing (Don Emch)
29. 01:48 PM - Re: Motivation - Fly Fishing (AircamperN11MS)
30. 02:41 PM - Re: Motivation - Fly Fishing (tools)
31. 04:09 PM - =?utf-8?Q?Re:__Waynesville/Red_Stewart_fly-in=3F? (=?utf-8?Q?aviatorbell@yahoo.com?=)
32. 04:30 PM - Re: Waynesville/Red Stewart fly-in? (danhelsper@aol.com)
33. 05:07 PM - Re: Waynesville/Red Stewart fly-in? (Jack)
34. 06:45 PM - Re: Butt Ribs (Pocono John)
35. 06:55 PM - Re: latex spraying (gliderx5@comcast.net)
36. 07:33 PM - Repairman certificate questions (nightmare)
37. 09:27 PM - Re: Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage (Ray Krause)
38. 11:10 PM - Re: Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage (Gerry Holland)
39. 11:52 PM - Re: Re: Motivational Pictures (?) (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Re: Motivational Pictures (?) |
Gary, who machined the nice aluminum hubs?=0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pil
ot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury Strut Fabrication/Ins
tallation Complete
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| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel angle? |
It looks ok. You want the swivel vertical when the load is on the tail whee
l, looks like with weight on it it should be just about right.- Ours is a
ctually just a little bit too much positive castor (top of swivel pointing
forward) with the airplane at gross, but it handles fine.- I think the sm
all tailwheels like 3-4 inch help keep the back wheel in the back.- Peopl
e always comment that our 4 inch T/W looks small, but when it drags thru th
e grass it helps slow down, kind of a tail skid effect.=0A-=0AShad =0A=0A
=0AOn Thursday, August 21, 2014 1:43 AM, CatDesigns <CatDesigns@att.net> wr
signs@att.net>=0A=0AJim, =0A=0AI think it looks correct enough to not chang
e it until you try it.=0A=0AHere is why=0A=0A>From http://www.ehfc.net/tail
wheel%20shimmy.pdf=0A=0A"HIGH WINGS=0ACy Galley=0AMost tail wheels will shi
mmy quite easily if=0Athe design geometry is wrong (most are) or if the=0Af
riction device (Scott #3234, thrust plate- #4 of=0Adiagram) is mis-adjusted
or gets grease on it.=0AThe first item, geometry is easy to=0Acheck. The p
ivot should be vertical, never=0Aslanted to the rear of the aircraft. If th
e pivot is=0Aslanted towards the front of the plane, it is O.K.=0AThis posi
tioning is controlled by the tail wheel=0Aspring. You can replace the sprin
g, or have it re-=0Aarched. The re-arching has to be done cold. No=0Aheat!"
=0A=0AAnd this too=0A=0Ahttp://www.pierceaero.net/tws.php=0A=0Ahttp://www.p
ierceaero.net/techdata/tws.jpg=0A=0AHowever, I will counter with this just
to cover myself if my experts are wrong=0A=0Ahttp://www.bowersflybaby.com/t
ech/maule_tailwheel.pdf=0A=0Apages 14 and 17=0A=0A=0AChris=0ASacramento, CA
=0AWestcoastPiet.com=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: ow
ner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server
@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle=0ASent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014
7:17 PM=0ATo: Pietenpol List=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wheel angle?
=0A=0AThe angle on my tailwheel just doesn't look right.- Too much vertic
al?- Not enough?- I know it has to be just right so it won't wobble.-
But I made it several years ago and thought I did it the way some expert r
ecommended.- :-)=0A=0ADoes it look right or is that somethine that can be
determined without actual high speed testing?=0A=0ASuggestions?=0A=0Athank
==
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| Subject: | Re: Motivational Pictures (?) |
Here are some Mike.
Jack Textor
West Des Moines, IA
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motivational Pictures (?)
A small item...straight axle caps. I machined these from aluminum round bar
stock, I believe they are 6061-T6. Simple lathe work to turn them down to
the size/shape I wanted and then milled in the bolt hole and recess.
Come owwwwn now, someone has to have some pictures to share!
If God is your co-pilot, switch seats
Mike Perez
Karetaker Aero
Jury Strut Fabrication/Installation Complete!
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| Subject: | Re: Motivational Pictures (?) |
Harley Davidson.
Gary Boothe
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 3:57 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motivational Pictures (?)
Gary, who machined the nice aluminum hubs?
If God is your co-pilot, switch seats
Mike Perez
Karetaker Aero
Jury Strut Fabrication/Installation Complete
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Hey Jim,
Here's an article I wrote for the BPA which they never published. It's a
lot like what other guys have posted.
Good luck!
Douwe
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| Subject: | Waynesville/Red Stewart fly-in? |
Anyone else planning on attending the Waynesville fly-in/air show Labor Day
Weekend?
I will be there, WX allowing. Please look me up and say hi.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: latex spraying |
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| Subject: | Tail wheel angle? |
I'd leave it alone until you try it. You want the shaft to be close to
vertical, as yours is. If it deviates from vertical, it should lean
slightly forward at the top. The reason for this is that if it leans
slightly backward (as mine does), and the tailwheel starts to turn, the
further the tailwheel goes off center the more force is put on the tailwheel
to continue to turn further. In other words it has negative stability.
Tailwheel B
Unstable
Fwd
To illustrate, Tailwheel A has its pivot shaft vertical. No matter what
position the tailwheel is in, it is neutrally stable and will stay in that
position until something moves it. Tailwheel B has its shaft tilted aft of
vertical and is unstable. Once it begins to turn, it will rapidly turn
further. Tailwheel C has its shaft tilted forward of vertical. Once it
turns, it wants to return to trailing behind the airplane, so more force is
required to hold it in the turn.
Hopefully this makes some sense. You basically want the tailwheel shaft
close to vertical when the airplane is loaded, but if not vertical it is
probably preferable to have the shaft tilt slightly forward so the airplane
doesn't want to dart off in the weeds every time the tailwheel is turned
slightly.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wheel angle?
The angle on my tailwheel just doesn't look right. Too much vertical? Not
enough? I know it has to be just right so it won't wobble. But I made it
several years ago and thought I did it the way some expert recommended. :-)
Does it look right or is that somethine that can be determined without
actual high speed testing?
Suggestions?
thanks,
Jim in Pryor
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| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel angle? |
Hello,
Reading this post I recall a proble I saw in my tail wheel time ago, I am doing
others things and forget it by the moment, so, may be is the thing it happend
to me if the word "shimmy" mean what I think (I do not find a good traduction),
so, what SHIMMY mean?, realy, I cant find what it mean..
thank you
regards
--------
Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel angle? |
Mario. "Shimmy" is a very rapid back-and-forth shaking of the wheel.
Sometimes you'll see it on the wheels of grocery store carts. On the
airplane, it can be violent enough to break the springs or attachments that
are used to steer the tailwheel. If you figure out the Spanish word,
please share it. I'd like to know what it is. Good luck on your build
progress, Ken
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 6:52 AM, giacummo <mario.giacummo@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
>
> Hello,
>
> Reading this post I recall a proble I saw in my tail wheel time ago, I am
> doing others things and forget it by the moment, so, may be is the thing it
> happend to me if the word "shimmy" mean what I think (I do not find a good
> traduction), so, what SHIMMY mean?, realy, I cant find what it mean..
>
> thank you
>
> regards
>
> --------
> Mario Giacummo
> Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
> Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428970#428970
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel angle? |
Mario, shimmy is very rapid vibration (shaking.) The tailwheel will start
going from side to side very fast, usually as you are going fast on landing
or takeoff.
It can happen to any tailwheel aircraft if it hits a rock as the is planted
on the ground. It can be much worse if you have a bad setup.
Mechanical things that can lead to shimmy: A wheel out of round, tire
inflation or wear, the castor or wheel being loose, steering cables too
loose (or tight) or the angle being incorrect.
BUT it can happen to a plane with no problems, just not as often and not as
severe.
The basic way to handle a wheel that is shimmying is to unload the wheel
and replant it at a slower speed.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
BTW both my old Cessna 150 and my Vtail Bonanza have had shimmy. We checked
air pressure, checked and repacked the wheel bearings, made sure the
nosegear was all tight where it should be and within tolerances, and
refilled or overhauled the shimmy dampener. All very basic.
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 7:52 AM, giacummo <mario.giacummo@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
>
> Hello,
>
> Reading this post I recall a proble I saw in my tail wheel time ago, I am
> doing others things and forget it by the moment, so, may be is the thing it
> happend to me if the word "shimmy" mean what I think (I do not find a good
> traduction), so, what SHIMMY mean?, realy, I cant find what it mean..
>
> thank you
>
> regards
>
> --------
> Mario Giacummo
> Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
> Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428970#428970
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel angle? |
oscilar
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 8:12 AM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Mario, shimmy is very rapid vibration (shaking.) The tailwheel will start
> going from side to side very fast, usually as you are going fast on landing
> or takeoff.
>
> It can happen to any tailwheel aircraft if it hits a rock as the is
> planted on the ground. It can be much worse if you have a bad setup.
>
> Mechanical things that can lead to shimmy: A wheel out of round, tire
> inflation or wear, the castor or wheel being loose, steering cables too
> loose (or tight) or the angle being incorrect.
>
> BUT it can happen to a plane with no problems, just not as often and not
> as severe.
>
> The basic way to handle a wheel that is shimmying is to unload the wheel
> and replant it at a slower speed.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
> BTW both my old Cessna 150 and my Vtail Bonanza have had shimmy. We
> checked air pressure, checked and repacked the wheel bearings, made sure
> the nosegear was all tight where it should be and within tolerances, and
> refilled or overhauled the shimmy dampener. All very basic.
> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 7:52 AM, giacummo <mario.giacummo@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> mario.giacummo@gmail.com>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Reading this post I recall a proble I saw in my tail wheel time ago, I am
>> doing others things and forget it by the moment, so, may be is the thing it
>> happend to me if the word "shimmy" mean what I think (I do not find a good
>> traduction), so, what SHIMMY mean?, realy, I cant find what it mean..
>>
>> thank you
>>
>> regards
>>
>> --------
>> Mario Giacummo
>> Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
>> Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428970#428970
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Motivational Pictures (?) |
H.D. does nice work.=0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMik
e Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury Strut Fabrication/Installation Complete!
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Many Pietenpol builders and those who have built will appreciate this. I ha
d my driveway paved this morning by a crew - all of Portugese descent. Nice
guys.
They asked me to open my garage door so they could get closer with their big
roller and when I did so the work ground to a halt. They all stood there pe
rplexed at my upside down fuselage with the varnished wooden gear splayed in
the air. The guessing game ensued - boat? Soapbox racer? Airplane!
I spent the next 20 minutes giving the crew a tour of the Piet - wheels, fue
l tank, prop etc....
Sometimes we take our Piet projects for granted while we build probably beca
use we get too close to the work. The fascinated look in these guys faces w
as a preview for me into how the Piet will be regarded upon completion. Way m
otivating!
Scott Knowlton
Burlington ON.
Sent from my iPhone
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Scott, I try to keep a lid on my "work" at home on various projects, just b
ecause I am a private person and would rather not have the neighbors, passe
rs-by and the like knowing what I have and what I am doing. So, it was quit
e the spectacle when I rolled the plane out into the driveway, tied it to t
he back of a car, then proceeded to start the engine. No one had any idea I
was building an airplane...of all things.-=0A=0AThe next day my neighbor
across and down the street one house asked my boys whom were out on the si
dewalk : "Was that a plane I saw in your driveway? It had no wings...how di
d your dad get it home?" They proceeded to tell him that I had built it fro
m scratch and would be putting the wings on it soon.- I wonder if he expe
cts to see me take off down the street in it when finished?=0A=0A-=0AIf G
od is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury Stru
t Fabrication/Installation Complete!
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Looking at the center section, it appears there are four "butt" ribs in addition
to the 28 wing ribs. Are the butt ribs identical to the wing ribs?
I'm building ribs and just want to verify construction of those four before I get
that far.
Thank you,
--------
John
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| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel angle? |
Thanks to all, its clear now, and of course, it was't the problemI saw in mine.
I can not figure what's wrong... when I push the fuselage against the floor, my
tailwheel and spring bend to one side... something is out of line, of course,
I have no start working on it, but is not the shimmy problem, I did something
wrong...lets see.
Regards
--------
Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | Motivation - Fly Fishing |
My son Ryan and I found a new use for the Piet last weekend. Fly fishing! So if
you haven't worked on your project in a while, get busy!
Don Emch
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| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel angle? |
In my experiences with tail wheels, the shimmy seems to happen when the top is
canted too far forward. My set up is just like yours and it tilts just the way
yours is with no load. I wouldn't touch s thing, at least till you try it. :-)
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Obrigado!
On Aug 21, 2014 9:56 AM, "Scott Knowlton" <flyingscott_k@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Many Pietenpol builders and those who have built will appreciate this. I
> had my driveway paved this morning by a crew - all of Portugese descent.
> Nice guys.
> They asked me to open my garage door so they could get closer with their
> big roller and when I did so the work ground to a halt. They all stood
> there perplexed at my upside down fuselage with the varnished wooden gear
> splayed in the air. The guessing game ensued - boat? Soapbox racer?
> Airplane!
> I spent the next 20 minutes giving the crew a tour of the Piet - wheels,
> fuel tank, prop etc....
>
> Sometimes we take our Piet projects for granted while we build probably
> because we get too close to the work. The fascinated look in these guys
> faces was a preview for me into how the Piet will be regarded upon
> completion. Way motivating!
>
> Scott Knowlton
> Burlington ON.
>
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| Subject: | Re: latex spraying |
nks good in what paint =0A=0A=0AOn Thursday, August 21, 2014 7:10 AM, Douwe
Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0AHey Jim,=0A=C2
-=0AHere=99s an article I wrote for the BPA which they never publis
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Good luck!=0A=0A=0ADouwe
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The steel wing attach fittings go through the end ribs. You can build them
wider at the spars, or modify them as needed during fit-up
Barry NX973BP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pocono John
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 10:37 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Butt Ribs
--> <tinmotion@yahoo.com>
Looking at the center section, it appears there are four "butt" ribs in
addition to the 28 wing ribs. Are the butt ribs identical to the wing ribs?
I'm building ribs and just want to verify construction of those four before
I get that far.
Thank you,
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| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel angle? |
Thanks!!!
Appreciate the illustrations Jack.. Visual aids really help the simple minded.
:-)
And to everyone for all the great "real experience" answers!
I'm leaving it "as is" for now.
Jim in Pryor
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| Subject: | Re: latex spraying |
Here is another guy's presentation (given at OSH 2013) on how he does Latex paint
for aircraft.
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/Latex.htm
He's got related info here: http://www.wienerdogaero.com/Latex.php
- Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Motivation - Fly Fishing |
Don,
So cool. I really thought you were going to have a pic of smashed flies on the
leading edge. Guess I was wrong. The fish is way better.
Fun times and memories that will be remembered and talked about for a lifetime.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Motivation - Fly Fishing |
awesome pic/memory. worthy of framing and passing on to future generations.
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Paul Donahue
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| Subject: | Re: Motivation - Fly Fishing |
Not that it really matters, that's just one of those really cool pics...
But, did you load up the rods, and fly somewhere to go fishing? THAT would be
even cooler!
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| Subject: | Re: Motivation - Fly Fishing |
Yes, it was Fly...Fishing, get it? Not fly fishing, as in with fly rods. Ha! Ryan
and I found ourselves on our own for the evening, so I asked him if he wanted
to go fishing or flying. He said, "tough question, I want to do both". I thought
for a minute, then said I think I can take care of that. We dropped into
a little grass strip with a pond at the end of it. Pretty excited, we found
a new fishing hole!
Don Emch
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| Subject: | Re: Motivation - Fly Fishing |
Perfectly put. :)
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Motivation - Fly Fishing |
Ah... ya, that slipped right past me. I like it!
So, the next question... why do we have to get these great ideas from kids?!
That's awesome. Heck with a $100 burger, you got $100 fillet-o-fish!
I'd keep an eye on him, won't be long and you'll come home to find both the rods
and the plane missing.... just sayin'... I'm betting he's already figured out
he can carry more fish home without, well, you get the idea.
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| Subject: | ?Q?RE:_Pietenpol-List:_Waynesville/Red_Stewart_fly-in=3F? |
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| Subject: | Re: Waynesville/Red Stewart fly-in? |
Douwe,=0A=0A=0AI will be flying the Aeronca over to Blakesburg
that weekend...Thursday thru Sunday...can't wait!!=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper
=0ALoensloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0A
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list
<pietenpol-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Thu, Aug 21, 2014 7:08 am=0AS
ubject: Pietenpol-List: Waynesville/Red Stewart fly-in?=0A=0A=0A=0AAnyon
e else planning on attending the Waynesville fly-in/air show L
abor Day Weekend?=0A =0AI will be there, WX allowing. Pleas
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| Subject: | Re: Waynesville/Red Stewart fly-in? |
Dan will see you there!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
> On Aug 21, 2014, at 6:29 PM, danhelsper@aol.com wrote:
>
> Douwe,
>
> I will be flying the Aeronca over to Blakesburg that weekend...Thursday th
ru Sunday...can't wait!!
>
> Dan Helsper
> Loensloe Airfield
> Puryear, TN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thu, Aug 21, 2014 7:08 am
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Waynesville/Red Stewart fly-in?
>
> Anyone else planning on attending the Waynesville fly-in/air show Labor Da
y Weekend?
>
> I will be there, WX allowing. Please look me up and say hi.
>
> Douwe
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Thank you. I guess you posted a response at the same time I deleted the question.
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| Subject: | Re: latex spraying |
Douwe
Nice article. Would it be okay to post it on the latex section of wienerdog
aero.com? I would include a picture that I took of your Piet at Brodhead (a
mazing airplane btw). The more we share, the more we learn.
Malcolm Morrison
wienerdogaero.com
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From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:03:06 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex spraying
Hey Jim,
Here=99s an article I wrote for the BPA which they never published. I
t=99s a lot like what other guys have posted.
Good luck!
Douwe
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| Subject: | Repairman certificate questions |
I think I have misunderstood the privileges of the repairman certificate.
Initially thought I could do not only annuals but also any repairs or alterations
on the piet that I qualified for my repairman certificate with.
Is it true that I can only do annuals? (b) The holder of a repairman certificate
(experimental aircraft builder) may perform condition inspections on the aircraft
constructed by the holder in accordance with the operating limitations of
that aircraft.
Let's say I had a hard landing and damaged my gear. Could I repair it my self?
Question 2. If I am allowed to to work on my piet after it's flying, can I apply
that mx work towards work experience for an A&P license?
Thanks;Paul
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
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| Subject: | Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage |
Terry,
Where do you find this stuff? It is amazing what you come up with! Thanks. Very
interesting reading. Can you imagine building an "experimental" plane under
such regulation?
Thanks,
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 20, 2014, at 6:59 PM, "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Ray,
>
> This comes from the U.K. Pietenpol Type Acceptance Data Sheets. I have attached
a link to the entire paper, but the applicable part is pasted below.
>
> http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/engineering/TADs/047%20PIETENPOL%20AIRCAMPER.pdf
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> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage |
Ray Hi! from England.
Can you imagine building an "experimental" plane under such regulation?
It's not as bad as it first seems.
The LAA is between a rock and a hard place as they manage homebuilding
effectively on behalf of our CAA (Civil Aviation Authority).
Authority being the operative word! Get it wrong and the penalties are
high.
As you know there are quite a reasonable number of Piets here in UK and
many with all types of personalisation passed by the LAA.
During a 'scratch' or 'kit' build we can expect as many as 30 progress
inspections from a local or nominated Inspector.
These would also include Workshop conditions initially too.
All in all it works albeit we all moan about delays in sign off etc.
We end up with in most cases a well built homebuilt and a good safety
record generally.
It also means servicing your own aircraft against a regime of Inspection
(by LAA Inspector) and Flight Test annually.
I personally envy your system until sign off is required which seems
from here a bit tough.
The 40 hours fly off you have to do also seems high with ours being 5+
hours to gain initial Permit to Fly.
Can be longer with new types.
Thanks for feeling sorry for us! Donations gratefully received!
G
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| Subject: | Re: Motivational Pictures (?) |
Here's mine. The same only different.
I'm pretty sure it would not be a good idea to let God
fly your plane. After all, He is immortal and can't be
hurt. It won't matter to Him if he were to crash. He
might even see it as an interesting experience. You,
on the other hand......... :-)
Clif
The Early Bird may get the worm but the second
mouse gets the cheese.
A small item...straight axle caps. I machined these from aluminum
round bar stock,Come owwwwn now, someone has to have some pictures to
share!
If God is your co-pilot, switch seats
Mike Perez
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