---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/21/14: 39 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:57 AM - Re: Re: Motivational Pictures (?) (Michael Perez) 2. 04:32 AM - Re: Tail wheel angle? (shad bell) 3. 04:42 AM - Re: Re: Motivational Pictures (?) (Jack) 4. 04:57 AM - Re: Re: Motivational Pictures (?) (Gary Boothe) 5. 05:02 AM - latex spraying (Douwe Blumberg) 6. 05:08 AM - Waynesville/Red Stewart fly-in? (Douwe Blumberg) 7. 05:42 AM - Re: latex spraying (Andre B. Charvet) 8. 05:44 AM - Re: Tail wheel angle? (Jack Phillips) 9. 05:53 AM - Re: Tail wheel angle? (giacummo) 10. 06:07 AM - Re: Re: Tail wheel angle? (Ken Bickers) 11. 06:12 AM - Re: Re: Tail wheel angle? (Steven Dortch) 12. 06:14 AM - Re: Re: Tail wheel angle? (Steven Dortch) 13. 06:25 AM - Re: Re: Motivational Pictures (?) (Michael Perez) 14. 06:53 AM - Motivation (Scott Knowlton) 15. 07:16 AM - Re: Motivation (Michael Perez) 16. 07:37 AM - Butt Ribs (Pocono John) 17. 07:38 AM - Re: Tail wheel angle? (giacummo) 18. 07:43 AM - Motivation - Fly Fishing (Don Emch) 19. 07:49 AM - Re: Tail wheel angle? (Don Emch) 20. 08:18 AM - Re: Motivation (Marcus Zechini) 21. 08:39 AM - Re: latex spraying (jim hyde) 22. 09:02 AM - Re: Butt Ribs (Barry Davis) 23. 09:21 AM - Re: Tail wheel angle? (dfwplt) 24. 09:34 AM - Re: latex spraying (PatrickW) 25. 10:06 AM - Re: Motivation - Fly Fishing (AircamperN11MS) 26. 11:10 AM - Re: Motivation - Fly Fishing (nightmare) 27. 11:33 AM - Re: Motivation - Fly Fishing (tools) 28. 01:42 PM - Re: Motivation - Fly Fishing (Don Emch) 29. 01:48 PM - Re: Motivation - Fly Fishing (AircamperN11MS) 30. 02:41 PM - Re: Motivation - Fly Fishing (tools) 31. 04:09 PM - =?utf-8?Q?Re:__Waynesville/Red_Stewart_fly-in=3F? (=?utf-8?Q?aviatorbell@yahoo.com?=) 32. 04:30 PM - Re: Waynesville/Red Stewart fly-in? (danhelsper@aol.com) 33. 05:07 PM - Re: Waynesville/Red Stewart fly-in? (Jack) 34. 06:45 PM - Re: Butt Ribs (Pocono John) 35. 06:55 PM - Re: latex spraying (gliderx5@comcast.net) 36. 07:33 PM - Repairman certificate questions (nightmare) 37. 09:27 PM - Re: Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage (Ray Krause) 38. 11:10 PM - Re: Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage (Gerry Holland) 39. 11:52 PM - Re: Re: Motivational Pictures (?) (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:21 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motivational Pictures (?) Gary, who machined the nice aluminum hubs?=0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pil ot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury Strut Fabrication/Ins tallation Complete ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:37 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail wheel angle? It looks ok. You want the swivel vertical when the load is on the tail whee l, looks like with weight on it it should be just about right.- Ours is a ctually just a little bit too much positive castor (top of swivel pointing forward) with the airplane at gross, but it handles fine.- I think the sm all tailwheels like 3-4 inch help keep the back wheel in the back.- Peopl e always comment that our 4 inch T/W looks small, but when it drags thru th e grass it helps slow down, kind of a tail skid effect.=0A-=0AShad =0A=0A =0AOn Thursday, August 21, 2014 1:43 AM, CatDesigns wr signs@att.net>=0A=0AJim, =0A=0AI think it looks correct enough to not chang e it until you try it.=0A=0AHere is why=0A=0A>From http://www.ehfc.net/tail wheel%20shimmy.pdf=0A=0A"HIGH WINGS=0ACy Galley=0AMost tail wheels will shi mmy quite easily if=0Athe design geometry is wrong (most are) or if the=0Af riction device (Scott #3234, thrust plate- #4 of=0Adiagram) is mis-adjusted or gets grease on it.=0AThe first item, geometry is easy to=0Acheck. The p ivot should be vertical, never=0Aslanted to the rear of the aircraft. If th e pivot is=0Aslanted towards the front of the plane, it is O.K.=0AThis posi tioning is controlled by the tail wheel=0Aspring. You can replace the sprin g, or have it re-=0Aarched. The re-arching has to be done cold. No=0Aheat!" =0A=0AAnd this too=0A=0Ahttp://www.pierceaero.net/tws.php=0A=0Ahttp://www.p ierceaero.net/techdata/tws.jpg=0A=0AHowever, I will counter with this just to cover myself if my experts are wrong=0A=0Ahttp://www.bowersflybaby.com/t ech/maule_tailwheel.pdf=0A=0Apages 14 and 17=0A=0A=0AChris=0ASacramento, CA =0AWestcoastPiet.com=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: ow ner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server @matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle=0ASent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 7:17 PM=0ATo: Pietenpol List=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wheel angle? =0A=0AThe angle on my tailwheel just doesn't look right.- Too much vertic al?- Not enough?- I know it has to be just right so it won't wobble.- But I made it several years ago and thought I did it the way some expert r ecommended.- :-)=0A=0ADoes it look right or is that somethine that can be determined without actual high speed testing?=0A=0ASuggestions?=0A=0Athank == ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:45 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motivational Pictures (?) Here are some Mike. Jack Textor West Des Moines, IA _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 9:58 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motivational Pictures (?) A small item...straight axle caps. I machined these from aluminum round bar stock, I believe they are 6061-T6. Simple lathe work to turn them down to the size/shape I wanted and then milled in the bolt hole and recess. Come owwwwn now, someone has to have some pictures to share! If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Jury Strut Fabrication/Installation Complete! ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:20 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motivational Pictures (?) Harley Davidson. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 3:57 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motivational Pictures (?) Gary, who machined the nice aluminum hubs? If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Jury Strut Fabrication/Installation Complete ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:54 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex spraying Hey Jim, Here's an article I wrote for the BPA which they never published. It's a lot like what other guys have posted. Good luck! Douwe ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:35 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Waynesville/Red Stewart fly-in? Anyone else planning on attending the Waynesville fly-in/air show Labor Day Weekend? I will be there, WX allowing. Please look me up and say hi. Douwe ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:48 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex spraying From: "Andre B. 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I'd leave it alone until you try it. You want the shaft to be close to vertical, as yours is. If it deviates from vertical, it should lean slightly forward at the top. The reason for this is that if it leans slightly backward (as mine does), and the tailwheel starts to turn, the further the tailwheel goes off center the more force is put on the tailwheel to continue to turn further. In other words it has negative stability. Tailwheel B Unstable Fwd To illustrate, Tailwheel A has its pivot shaft vertical. No matter what position the tailwheel is in, it is neutrally stable and will stay in that position until something moves it. Tailwheel B has its shaft tilted aft of vertical and is unstable. Once it begins to turn, it will rapidly turn further. Tailwheel C has its shaft tilted forward of vertical. Once it turns, it wants to return to trailing behind the airplane, so more force is required to hold it in the turn. Hopefully this makes some sense. You basically want the tailwheel shaft close to vertical when the airplane is loaded, but if not vertical it is probably preferable to have the shaft tilt slightly forward so the airplane doesn't want to dart off in the weeds every time the tailwheel is turned slightly. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:17 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wheel angle? The angle on my tailwheel just doesn't look right. Too much vertical? Not enough? I know it has to be just right so it won't wobble. But I made it several years ago and thought I did it the way some expert recommended. :-) Does it look right or is that somethine that can be determined without actual high speed testing? Suggestions? thanks, Jim in Pryor ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail wheel angle? From: "giacummo" Hello, Reading this post I recall a proble I saw in my tail wheel time ago, I am doing others things and forget it by the moment, so, may be is the thing it happend to me if the word "shimmy" mean what I think (I do not find a good traduction), so, what SHIMMY mean?, realy, I cant find what it mean.. thank you regards -------- Mario Giacummo Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428970#428970 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail wheel angle? From: Ken Bickers Mario. "Shimmy" is a very rapid back-and-forth shaking of the wheel. Sometimes you'll see it on the wheels of grocery store carts. On the airplane, it can be violent enough to break the springs or attachments that are used to steer the tailwheel. If you figure out the Spanish word, please share it. I'd like to know what it is. Good luck on your build progress, Ken On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 6:52 AM, giacummo wrote: > > > > Hello, > > Reading this post I recall a proble I saw in my tail wheel time ago, I am > doing others things and forget it by the moment, so, may be is the thing it > happend to me if the word "shimmy" mean what I think (I do not find a good > traduction), so, what SHIMMY mean?, realy, I cant find what it mean.. > > thank you > > regards > > -------- > Mario Giacummo > Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 > Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428970#428970 > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:12:31 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail wheel angle? From: Steven Dortch Mario, shimmy is very rapid vibration (shaking.) The tailwheel will start going from side to side very fast, usually as you are going fast on landing or takeoff. It can happen to any tailwheel aircraft if it hits a rock as the is planted on the ground. It can be much worse if you have a bad setup. Mechanical things that can lead to shimmy: A wheel out of round, tire inflation or wear, the castor or wheel being loose, steering cables too loose (or tight) or the angle being incorrect. BUT it can happen to a plane with no problems, just not as often and not as severe. The basic way to handle a wheel that is shimmying is to unload the wheel and replant it at a slower speed. Blue Skies, Steve D BTW both my old Cessna 150 and my Vtail Bonanza have had shimmy. We checked air pressure, checked and repacked the wheel bearings, made sure the nosegear was all tight where it should be and within tolerances, and refilled or overhauled the shimmy dampener. All very basic. On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 7:52 AM, giacummo wrote: > > > > Hello, > > Reading this post I recall a proble I saw in my tail wheel time ago, I am > doing others things and forget it by the moment, so, may be is the thing it > happend to me if the word "shimmy" mean what I think (I do not find a good > traduction), so, what SHIMMY mean?, realy, I cant find what it mean.. > > thank you > > regards > > -------- > Mario Giacummo > Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 > Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428970#428970 > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:24 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail wheel angle? From: Steven Dortch oscilar On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 8:12 AM, Steven Dortch wrote: > Mario, shimmy is very rapid vibration (shaking.) The tailwheel will start > going from side to side very fast, usually as you are going fast on landing > or takeoff. > > It can happen to any tailwheel aircraft if it hits a rock as the is > planted on the ground. It can be much worse if you have a bad setup. > > Mechanical things that can lead to shimmy: A wheel out of round, tire > inflation or wear, the castor or wheel being loose, steering cables too > loose (or tight) or the angle being incorrect. > > BUT it can happen to a plane with no problems, just not as often and not > as severe. > > The basic way to handle a wheel that is shimmying is to unload the wheel > and replant it at a slower speed. > > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > BTW both my old Cessna 150 and my Vtail Bonanza have had shimmy. We > checked air pressure, checked and repacked the wheel bearings, made sure > the nosegear was all tight where it should be and within tolerances, and > refilled or overhauled the shimmy dampener. All very basic. > On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 7:52 AM, giacummo > wrote: > >> mario.giacummo@gmail.com> >> >> Hello, >> >> Reading this post I recall a proble I saw in my tail wheel time ago, I am >> doing others things and forget it by the moment, so, may be is the thing it >> happend to me if the word "shimmy" mean what I think (I do not find a good >> traduction), so, what SHIMMY mean?, realy, I cant find what it mean.. >> >> thank you >> >> regards >> >> -------- >> Mario Giacummo >> Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 >> Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428970#428970 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Blue Skies, > Steve D > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:44 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motivational Pictures (?) H.D. does nice work.=0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMik e Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury Strut Fabrication/Installation Complete! ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Motivation From: Scott Knowlton Many Pietenpol builders and those who have built will appreciate this. I ha d my driveway paved this morning by a crew - all of Portugese descent. Nice guys. They asked me to open my garage door so they could get closer with their big roller and when I did so the work ground to a halt. They all stood there pe rplexed at my upside down fuselage with the varnished wooden gear splayed in the air. The guessing game ensued - boat? Soapbox racer? Airplane! I spent the next 20 minutes giving the crew a tour of the Piet - wheels, fue l tank, prop etc.... Sometimes we take our Piet projects for granted while we build probably beca use we get too close to the work. The fascinated look in these guys faces w as a preview for me into how the Piet will be regarded upon completion. Way m otivating! Scott Knowlton Burlington ON. Sent from my iPhone ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:00 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motivation Scott, I try to keep a lid on my "work" at home on various projects, just b ecause I am a private person and would rather not have the neighbors, passe rs-by and the like knowing what I have and what I am doing. So, it was quit e the spectacle when I rolled the plane out into the driveway, tied it to t he back of a car, then proceeded to start the engine. No one had any idea I was building an airplane...of all things.-=0A=0AThe next day my neighbor across and down the street one house asked my boys whom were out on the si dewalk : "Was that a plane I saw in your driveway? It had no wings...how di d your dad get it home?" They proceeded to tell him that I had built it fro m scratch and would be putting the wings on it soon.- I wonder if he expe cts to see me take off down the street in it when finished?=0A=0A-=0AIf G od is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury Stru t Fabrication/Installation Complete! ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:01 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Butt Ribs From: "Pocono John" Looking at the center section, it appears there are four "butt" ribs in addition to the 28 wing ribs. Are the butt ribs identical to the wing ribs? I'm building ribs and just want to verify construction of those four before I get that far. Thank you, -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428991#428991 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail wheel angle? From: "giacummo" Thanks to all, its clear now, and of course, it was't the problemI saw in mine. I can not figure what's wrong... when I push the fuselage against the floor, my tailwheel and spring bend to one side... something is out of line, of course, I have no start working on it, but is not the shimmy problem, I did something wrong...lets see. Regards -------- Mario Giacummo Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428992#428992 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Motivation - Fly Fishing From: "Don Emch" My son Ryan and I found a new use for the Piet last weekend. Fly fishing! So if you haven't worked on your project in a while, get busy! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428995#428995 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_497.jpg ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:21 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail wheel angle? From: "Don Emch" In my experiences with tail wheels, the shimmy seems to happen when the top is canted too far forward. My set up is just like yours and it tilts just the way yours is with no load. I wouldn't touch s thing, at least till you try it. :-) Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428996#428996 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:28 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motivation From: Marcus Zechini Obrigado! On Aug 21, 2014 9:56 AM, "Scott Knowlton" wrote: > Many Pietenpol builders and those who have built will appreciate this. I > had my driveway paved this morning by a crew - all of Portugese descent. > Nice guys. > They asked me to open my garage door so they could get closer with their > big roller and when I did so the work ground to a halt. They all stood > there perplexed at my upside down fuselage with the varnished wooden gear > splayed in the air. The guessing game ensued - boat? Soapbox racer? > Airplane! > I spent the next 20 minutes giving the crew a tour of the Piet - wheels, > fuel tank, prop etc.... > > Sometimes we take our Piet projects for granted while we build probably > because we get too close to the work. The fascinated look in these guys > faces was a preview for me into how the Piet will be regarded upon > completion. Way motivating! > > Scott Knowlton > Burlington ON. > > > Sent from my iPhone > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:39:52 AM PST US From: jim hyde Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex spraying nks good in what paint =0A=0A=0AOn Thursday, August 21, 2014 7:10 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0AHey Jim,=0A=C2 -=0AHere=99s an article I wrote for the BPA which they never publis hed.=C2- It=99s a lot like what other guys have posted.=0A=C2-=0A Good luck!=0A=0A=0ADouwe ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:16 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Butt Ribs The steel wing attach fittings go through the end ribs. You can build them wider at the spars, or modify them as needed during fit-up Barry NX973BP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pocono John Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 10:37 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Butt Ribs --> Looking at the center section, it appears there are four "butt" ribs in addition to the 28 wing ribs. Are the butt ribs identical to the wing ribs? I'm building ribs and just want to verify construction of those four before I get that far. Thank you, -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428991#428991 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail wheel angle? From: "dfwplt" Thanks!!! Appreciate the illustrations Jack.. Visual aids really help the simple minded. :-) And to everyone for all the great "real experience" answers! I'm leaving it "as is" for now. Jim in Pryor Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429004#429004 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: latex spraying From: "PatrickW" Here is another guy's presentation (given at OSH 2013) on how he does Latex paint for aircraft. http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/Latex.htm He's got related info here: http://www.wienerdogaero.com/Latex.php - Pat Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429006#429006 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:47 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motivation - Fly Fishing From: "AircamperN11MS" Don, So cool. I really thought you were going to have a pic of smashed flies on the leading edge. Guess I was wrong. The fish is way better. Fun times and memories that will be remembered and talked about for a lifetime. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429009#429009 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:10:44 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motivation - Fly Fishing From: "nightmare" awesome pic/memory. worthy of framing and passing on to future generations. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429012#429012 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:51 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motivation - Fly Fishing From: "tools" Not that it really matters, that's just one of those really cool pics... But, did you load up the rods, and fly somewhere to go fishing? THAT would be even cooler! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429013#429013 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motivation - Fly Fishing From: "Don Emch" Yes, it was Fly...Fishing, get it? Not fly fishing, as in with fly rods. Ha! Ryan and I found ourselves on our own for the evening, so I asked him if he wanted to go fishing or flying. He said, "tough question, I want to do both". I thought for a minute, then said I think I can take care of that. We dropped into a little grass strip with a pond at the end of it. Pretty excited, we found a new fishing hole! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429026#429026 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 01:48:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motivation - Fly Fishing From: "AircamperN11MS" Perfectly put. :) -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429028#429028 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 02:41:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motivation - Fly Fishing From: "tools" Ah... ya, that slipped right past me. I like it! So, the next question... why do we have to get these great ideas from kids?! That's awesome. Heck with a $100 burger, you got $100 fillet-o-fish! I'd keep an eye on him, won't be long and you'll come home to find both the rods and the plane missing.... just sayin'... I'm betting he's already figured out he can carry more fish home without, well, you get the idea. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429032#429032 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:05 PM PST US Subject: =?utf-8?Q?RE:_Pietenpol-List:_Waynesville/Red_Stewart_fly-in=3F? From: "=?utf-8?Q?aviatorbell@yahoo.com?=" SSBtYXkgZmx5IGRvd24sIG5vdCBzdXJlIHdoaWNoIGRheSB5ZXQsIGJ1dCBJIGhvcGUgdG8gZ2V0 IGRvd24gdGhlcmUuDQoNCiANCg0KU2hhZA0KDQoNClNlbnQgZnJvbSBXaW5kb3dzIE1haWwNCg0K DQpGcm9tOiBEb3V3ZSBCbHVtYmVyZw0KU2VudDog4oCOQXVndXN04oCOIOKAjjIx4oCOLCDigI4y MDE0IOKAjjjigI464oCOMDjigI4g4oCOQU0NClRvOiBwaWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3Mu Y29tDQpTdWJqZWN0OiBQaWV0ZW5wb2wtTGlzdDogV2F5bmVzdmlsbGUvUmVkIFN0ZXdhcnQgZmx5 LWluPw0KDQoNCg0KDQpBbnlvbmUgZWxzZSBwbGFubmluZyBvbiBhdHRlbmRpbmcgdGhlIFdheW5l c3ZpbGxlIGZseS1pbi9haXIgc2hvdyBMYWJvciBEYXkgV2Vla2VuZD8NCg0KIA0KDQpJIHdpbGwg YmUgdGhlcmUsIFdYIGFsbG93aW5nLiAgUGxlYXNlIGxvb2sgbWUgdXAgYW5kIHNheSBoaS4NCg0K IA0KDQpEb3V3ZQ0KDQoNCl8tPT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09DQpfLT0gICAgICAgICAgLSBUaGUgUGlldGVucG9sLUxpc3Qg RW1haWwgRm9ydW0gLQ0KXy09IFVzZSB0aGUgTWF0cm9uaWNzIExpc3QgRmVhdHVyZXMgTmF2aWdh dG9yIHRvIGJyb3dzZQ0KXy09IHRoZSBtYW55IExpc3QgdXRpbGl0aWVzIHN1Y2ggYXMgTGlzdCBV bi9TdWJzY3JpcHRpb24sDQpfLT0gQXJjaGl2ZSBTZWFyY2ggJiBEb3dubG9hZCwgNy1EYXkgQnJv d3NlLCBDaGF0LCBGQVEsDQpfLT0gUGhvdG9zaGFyZSwgYW5kIG11Y2ggbXVjaCBtb3JlOg0KXy09 DQpfLT0gICAtLT4gaHR0cDovL3d3dy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL05hdmlnYXRvcj9QaWV0ZW5wb2wt TGlzdA0KXy09DQpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQ0KXy09ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgLSBNQVRST05JQ1MgV0VCIEZPUlVN UyAtDQpfLT0gU2FtZSBncmVhdCBjb250ZW50IGFsc28gYXZhaWxhYmxlIHZpYSB0aGUgV2ViIEZv cnVtcyENCl8tPQ0KXy09ICAgLS0+IGh0dHA6Ly9mb3J1bXMubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbQ0KXy09DQpf LT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PQ0KXy09ICAgICAgICAgICAgIC0gTGlzdCBDb250cmlidXRpb24gV2ViIFNpdGUgLQ0KXy09 ICBUaGFuayB5b3UgZm9yIHlvdXIgZ2VuZXJvdXMgc3VwcG9ydCENCl8tPSAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIC1NYXR0IERyYWxsZSwgTGlzdCBBZG1pbi4NCl8tPSAgIC0tPiBodHRw Oi8vd3d3Lm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20vY29udHJpYnV0aW9uDQpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQ= ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:30:21 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Waynesville/Red Stewart fly-in? From: danhelsper@aol.com Douwe,=0A=0A=0AI will be flying the Aeronca over to Blakesburg that weekend...Thursday thru Sunday...can't wait!!=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper =0ALoensloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0A From: Douwe Blumberg =0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Thu, Aug 21, 2014 7:08 am=0AS ubject: Pietenpol-List: Waynesville/Red Stewart fly-in?=0A=0A=0A=0AAnyon e else planning on attending the Waynesville fly-in/air show L abor Day Weekend?=0A =0AI will be there, WX allowing. Pleas =========================== =========================== =========================== =========================== =========================== =========================== =============0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:16 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Waynesville/Red Stewart fly-in? From: Jack Dan will see you there! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Aug 21, 2014, at 6:29 PM, danhelsper@aol.com wrote: > > Douwe, > > I will be flying the Aeronca over to Blakesburg that weekend...Thursday th ru Sunday...can't wait!! > > Dan Helsper > Loensloe Airfield > Puryear, TN > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Douwe Blumberg > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Thu, Aug 21, 2014 7:08 am > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Waynesville/Red Stewart fly-in? > > Anyone else planning on attending the Waynesville fly-in/air show Labor Da y Weekend? > > I will be there, WX allowing. Please look me up and say hi. > > Douwe > ========================= ========================== === --> h==================== ========================== = > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:45:08 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Butt Ribs From: "Pocono John" Thank you. I guess you posted a response at the same time I deleted the question. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429043#429043 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:06 PM PST US From: gliderx5@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex spraying Douwe Nice article. Would it be okay to post it on the latex section of wienerdog aero.com? I would include a picture that I took of your Piet at Brodhead (a mazing airplane btw). The more we share, the more we learn. Malcolm Morrison wienerdogaero.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douwe Blumberg" Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:03:06 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex spraying Hey Jim, Here=99s an article I wrote for the BPA which they never published. I t=99s a lot like what other guys have posted. Good luck! Douwe ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:58 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Repairman certificate questions From: "nightmare" I think I have misunderstood the privileges of the repairman certificate. Initially thought I could do not only annuals but also any repairs or alterations on the piet that I qualified for my repairman certificate with. Is it true that I can only do annuals? (b) The holder of a repairman certificate (experimental aircraft builder) may perform condition inspections on the aircraft constructed by the holder in accordance with the operating limitations of that aircraft. Let's say I had a hard landing and damaged my gear. Could I repair it my self? Question 2. If I am allowed to to work on my piet after it's flying, can I apply that mx work towards work experience for an A&P license? Thanks;Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429045#429045 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:45 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage Terry, Where do you find this stuff? It is amazing what you come up with! Thanks. Very interesting reading. Can you imagine building an "experimental" plane under such regulation? Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Aug 20, 2014, at 6:59 PM, "jarheadpilot82" wrote: > > > Ray, > > This comes from the U.K. Pietenpol Type Acceptance Data Sheets. I have attached a link to the entire paper, but the applicable part is pasted below. > > http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/engineering/TADs/047%20PIETENPOL%20AIRCAMPER.pdf > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428928#428928 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_133.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 11:10:53 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage From: Gerry Holland Ray Hi! from England. Can you imagine building an "experimental" plane under such regulation? It's not as bad as it first seems. The LAA is between a rock and a hard place as they manage homebuilding effectively on behalf of our CAA (Civil Aviation Authority). Authority being the operative word! Get it wrong and the penalties are high. As you know there are quite a reasonable number of Piets here in UK and many with all types of personalisation passed by the LAA. During a 'scratch' or 'kit' build we can expect as many as 30 progress inspections from a local or nominated Inspector. These would also include Workshop conditions initially too. All in all it works albeit we all moan about delays in sign off etc. We end up with in most cases a well built homebuilt and a good safety record generally. It also means servicing your own aircraft against a regime of Inspection (by LAA Inspector) and Flight Test annually. I personally envy your system until sign off is required which seems from here a bit tough. The 40 hours fly off you have to do also seems high with ours being 5+ hours to gain initial Permit to Fly. Can be longer with new types. Thanks for feeling sorry for us! Donations gratefully received! G ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 11:52:21 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motivational Pictures (?) Here's mine. The same only different. I'm pretty sure it would not be a good idea to let God fly your plane. After all, He is immortal and can't be hurt. It won't matter to Him if he were to crash. He might even see it as an interesting experience. You, on the other hand......... :-) Clif The Early Bird may get the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese. A small item...straight axle caps. I machined these from aluminum round bar stock,Come owwwwn now, someone has to have some pictures to share! 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