---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/22/14: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:19 AM - Re: latex spraying (jim hyde) 2. 04:41 AM - Re: Waynesville/Red Stewart fly-in? (danhelsper@aol.com) 3. 05:11 AM - latex article (Douwe Blumberg) 4. 05:58 AM - Re: Repairman certificate questions (Jack Phillips) 5. 06:08 AM - Re: Motivation (scudrun) 6. 06:18 AM - Re: Re: Motivation (Steven Dortch) 7. 06:42 AM - Re: Tail wheel angle? (scudrun) 8. 07:40 AM - Re: Repairman certificate questions (AircamperN11MS) 9. 08:04 AM - Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage (AircamperN11MS) 10. 08:32 AM - Rust (Charles N. Campbell) 11. 08:42 AM - Re: latex paint (gliderx5@comcast.net) 12. 08:44 AM - Re: Rust (jarheadpilot82) 13. 08:52 AM - Re: Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage (Ray Krause) 14. 09:01 AM - Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage (AircamperN11MS) 15. 09:10 AM - Re: Rust (Don.h@wcoil.com) 16. 09:11 AM - Re: Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage (Ray Krause) 17. 10:28 AM - Re: latex paint (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 18. 11:03 AM - beautiful Micro Mong latex paint (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 19. 12:03 PM - Re: Repairman certificate questions (nightmare) 20. 12:45 PM - Re: Repairman certificate questions (dgaldrich) 21. 12:45 PM - Re: Repairman certificate questions (nightmare) 22. 01:06 PM - Re: Re: Repairman certificate questions (Jack Phillips) 23. 01:22 PM - Re: Repairman certificate questions (tkreiner) 24. 01:51 PM - Re: Rust (Jim Brewer) 25. 02:48 PM - Re: Re: Repairman certificate questions (Ryan Mueller) 26. 02:59 PM - Re: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint (gliderx5@comcast.net) 27. 03:40 PM - Barnstormers PietenpolJoshuaharel $1,500.00 (nightmare) 28. 05:06 PM - Re: Motivation (Jerry Dotson) 29. 05:21 PM - Re: Re: Motivation (Marcus Zechini) 30. 06:00 PM - Re: Barnstormers PietenpolJoshuaharel $1,500.00 (jarheadpilot82) 31. 08:38 PM - Re: Re: Barnstormers PietenpolJoshuaharel $1,500.00 (Ryan Mueller) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:19:02 AM PST US From: jim hyde Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex spraying thanks got any pics of the plane? =0A=0A=0AOn Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:0 0 PM, "gliderx5@comcast.net" wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0ADou we=0A=0ANice article. Would it be okay to post it on the latex section of w ienerdogaero.com? I would include a picture that I took of your Piet at Bro dhead (amazing airplane btw). The more we share, the more we learn.=0A=0AMa lcolm Morrison=0Awienerdogaero.com=0A=0A=0A________________________________ =0A=0AFrom: "Douwe Blumberg" =0ATo: "Pietenpol " =0ASent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:03:06 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: latex spraying=0A=0A=0AHey Jim,=0A=C2-=0AHe re=99s an article I wrote for the BPA which they never published.=C2 - It=99s a lot like what other guys have posted.=0A=C2-=0AGood lu ======================= ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:19 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Waynesville/Red Stewart fly-in? From: danhelsper@aol.com Great Jack! Free brats there too? (kidding) after all I miss ed the 2014 BratFest at Brodhead!=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0ALowensloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Jack =0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASen t: Thu, Aug 21, 2014 7:07 pm=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wa ynesville/Red Stewart fly-in?=0A=0A=0A=0ADan will see you there!=0A=0A Sent from my iPad=0AJack Textor=0A=0A=0AOn Aug 21, 2014, at 6: 29 PM, danhelsper@aol.com wrote:=0A=0A=0A=0ADouwe,=0A=0A=0AI will be flying the Aeronca over to Blakesburg that weekend...Thursday th ru Sunday...can't wait!!=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0ALoensloe Airfield=0APurye ar, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Douwe Blumberg =0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Thu, Aug 21, 2014 7:08 am=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Waynesville/Red Stewart fly-in?=0A=0A=0A=0AAnyone else planning on a ttending the Waynesville fly-in/air show Labor Day Weekend?=0A =0A I will be there, WX allowing. Please look me up and say hi.=0A =0ADouwe=0A=0A================== =========================== ========= --> h============= =========================== =========0A=0A=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:01 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex article Hey Malcom, You're welcome to use the article, though there's nothing in it I didn't "lift" from someone else. FYI, on RE-PIET, the translucent tan parts is simply tinted dope, only the green fabric areas are latex. Douwe ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:22 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Repairman certificate questions Paul, Anybody can do repairs on an experimental aircraft - not just those who hold the repairman's certificate. When I had a forced landing in mine that resulted in a broken axle and cracked lower right longeron, I did all the repairs myself. I consulted with the FAA FSDO but they said as long as I sign off the condition inspection they did not need to inspect the repairs. I hold a Repairman's Certificate for my Pietenpol, which allows me to do Condition iInspections for it, but not for my RV-4, because I didn't build the RV. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 10:33 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Repairman certificate questions I think I have misunderstood the privileges of the repairman certificate. Initially thought I could do not only annuals but also any repairs or alterations on the piet that I qualified for my repairman certificate with. Is it true that I can only do annuals? (b) The holder of a repairman certificate (experimental aircraft builder) may perform condition inspections on the aircraft constructed by the holder in accordance with the operating limitations of that aircraft. Let's say I had a hard landing and damaged my gear. Could I repair it my self? Question 2. If I am allowed to to work on my piet after it's flying, can I apply that mx work towards work experience for an A&P license? Thanks;Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429045#429045 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:57 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motivation From: "scudrun" Picture yourself in this seat...... Disclaimer...this Piet is modified with pushrods. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429075#429075 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_8230_178.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:03 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motivation From: Steven Dortch It is hard to see myself in that seat...I can't grow a beard like that until I get totally out of the Army! Doesn't that beard create excessive drag? I love these photos, I learn a lot from them. I really like the windscreens. Blue Skies, Steve D. With a beard, I look like Hamid Karzai. On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 8:08 AM, scudrun wrote: > > Picture yourself in this seat...... > > Disclaimer...this Piet is modified with pushrods. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429075#429075 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_8230_178.jpg > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail wheel angle? From: "scudrun" NASA did studies on shimmy. You can find the papers online. I downloaded the key ones but can't find right now. From what I remember, when the mechanics of the pivot and angle etc are all done right and there is still shimmy it is most likely due to tire sidewall flex. When the tire deforms and the contact patch deflects sideways then the center of friction is offset from the pivot center line which causes the wheel to change heading. At a certain point a restoring force is created which causes the sidewalls to flex in the opposite direction and if all this happens at a rate which is harmonically related to the natural resonance frequency of the system then you get a powerful shimmy. In this case a stiffer tire or more air will cure it. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429081#429081 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Repairman certificate questions From: "AircamperN11MS" Jack is 100% correct. You can do what ever you want as far as repairs go. The repairman Cert is for the "Condition Inspection" only. They are not call "annuals" on an experimental airplane. If you make any major changes to your plane like going from a Model A to a Cont engine you would need to comply with what ever your "Operating Limitations" say. The newer ones generally only require a 5 hour fly off in your designated area. My plane requires a 40 hour fly off. I have a very old set of "operating Limitations". Clear as mud now, Right? -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429089#429089 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:10 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage From: "AircamperN11MS" Ray, If you look closely you can see the stitching. Still difficult to see though. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429091#429091 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_106_114.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_107_124.jpg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:44 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rust From: "Charles N. Campbell" I remember a post about a device to remove rust. It used steel rods on the inside of a container and (electrically separated) the rusty item submerged in a solution. I need to do that but can't find the article in the archives. Does anyone remember the approximate date and the author's name -- if known? I really need help!!! Chuck ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:42 AM PST US From: gliderx5@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex paint For anyone interested in latex, I just put a very short video on Youtube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX611NL7eHk&feature=youtu.be , that shows the top wing of the Micro Mong biplane that I'm currently working on. The video shows the difference between polishing and not polishing. Both look great. It just depends in the type of finish that you're looking for. I'm a sucker for smooth and shiny. Malcolm Morrison wienerdogaero.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Franklin" Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 7:11:34 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex paint Have you tried this website: http://wienerdogaero.com/Latex.php This gentleman held a forum at Oshkosh last month and I was able to attend it. He has achieved some remarkable results and he did use the hvlp sprayers. Regards, John Franklin GN-1 / Corvair 164cid Prairie Aire 4TA0 Needville, TX -----Original Message----- >From: Braniff1966 >Sent: Aug 19, 2014 9:59 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex paint > > >i am practice painting my heath parasol before i oaint my piety.. anyone with lots of experience with latex... paint that is..i have researched some web sites. no one seems to.talk about using an airless. > >hyde > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:32 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rust From: "jarheadpilot82" Here are two articles. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429096#429096 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/electrolytic_rust_removal_735.pdf http://forums.matronics.com//files/rust_removal_using_electrolysis_115.pdf ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:52 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage Thanks, Scott. Now I see. You have some interesting "stuff" in the rear of that plane! Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Aug 22, 2014, at 8:03 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > > Ray, > > If you look closely you can see the stitching. Still difficult to see though. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429091#429091 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_106_114.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_107_124.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:52 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage From: "AircamperN11MS" Oh, all the secret stuff isn't secret any more, or is it? What could all that strange stuff do? Here's a hint. The black bell crank "rights the wrongs". -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429103#429103 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:18 AM PST US From: "Don.h@wcoil.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rust Here you go http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCAQyCkwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D54ADeB6V1rQ&ei=8Gr3U4t9zpjIBP7AgPgD&usg=AFQjCNGqMM0nNMGHj0rM4hlQVRpg4mFemA&bvm=bv.73373277,d.aWw On 8/22/2014 11:32 AM, Charles N. Campbell wrote: > I remember a post about a device to remove rust. It used steel rods > on the inside of a container and (electrically separated) the rusty > item submerged in a solution. I need to do that but can't find the > article in the archives. Does anyone remember the approximate date > and the author's name -- if known? I really need help!!! Chuck > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:11 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage I need one, maybe many, of those! Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Aug 22, 2014, at 9:00 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > > Oh, all the secret stuff isn't secret any more, or is it? What could all that strange stuff do? Here's a hint. The black bell crank "rights the wrongs". > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429103#429103 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:27 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex paint Saw the video, really impressive, I wasn't aware you could create that type of high gloss finish with latex. You'll have to provide the details of exactly what you used and how you did it from start to finish. Seeing that I can only imagine how many others that may be interested in latex paint over some of the more expensive finishes. In a message dated 8/22/2014 11:43:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gliderx5@comcast.net writes: For anyone interested in latex, I just put a very short video on Youtube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX611NL7eHk&feature=youtu.be , that shows the top wing of the Micro Mong biplane that I'm currently working on. The video shows the difference between polishing and not polishing. Both look great. It just depends in the type of finish that you're looking for. I'm a sucker for smooth and shiny. Malcolm Morrison wienerdogaero.com ____________________________________ From: "John Franklin" Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 7:11:34 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex paint Have you tried this website: http://wienerdogaero.com/Latex.php This gentleman held a forum at Oshkosh last month and I was able to attend it. He has achieved some remarkable results and he did use the hvlp sprayers. Regards, John Franklin GN-1 / Corvair 164cid Prairie Aire 4TA0 Needville, TX -----Original Message----- >From: Braniff1966 >Sent: Aug 19, 2014 9:59 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex paint > > >i am practice painting my heath parasol before i oaint my piety.. anyone with lots of experience with latex... paint that is..i have researched some web sites. no one seems to.talk about using -Matt Dralle,=========== ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:21 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint Malcolm---that is just a beautiful looking result you got using the Sherwin Williams gloss latex and with buffing it looks even better. Unless you really want the flat, unfinished look of latex then the that is okay but yours is the very first latex method I've seen that rivals what we norm ally see on aircraft and auto finishes. Outstanding looking. May I ask what your primer coats (if any) are to fill the weave? You've got some outstanding results there. Mike C. Ohio For anyone interested in latex, I just put a very short video on Youtube, h ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX611NL7eHk&feature=youtu.be , that show s the top wing of the Micro Mong biplane that I'm currently working on. The video shows the difference between polishing and not polishing. Both look great. It just depends in the type of finish that you're looking for. I'm a sucker for smooth and shiny. Malcolm Morrison wienerdogaero.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:03:15 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Repairman certificate questions From: "nightmare" thanks Guys. thats a pleasant surprise! now for my second question. can I use the time that I built and work on my Piet towards the experience requirement for the A&P? I think ill give eaa a call right now and ask. Jack, your bed and breakfast is on my "gotta fly to" list when my Piet is done. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429128#429128 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:45:28 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Repairman certificate questions From: "dgaldrich" The answer to your question 2 is "not likely". Here's FAR 65.77 Experience Requirements: Quote Each applicant for a mechanic certificate or rating must present either an appropriate graduation certificate or certificate of completion from a certificated aviation maintenance technician school or documentary evidence, satisfactory to the Administrator, of (a) At least 18 months of practical experience with the procedures, practices, materials, tools, machine tools, and equipment generally used in constructing, maintaining, or altering airframes, or powerplants appropriate to the rating sought; or (b) At least 30 months of practical experience concurrently performing the duties appropriate to both the airframe and powerplant ratings. End Quote The catch phrase is "satisfactory to the Administrator". Your FSDO would be the point of contact but I'm willing to bet that they would require the experience to be under the direct supervision of a certified mechanic and all work done to "certified" standards. I doubt that work on a Ford or Corvair engine would count as experience toward the powerplant section. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429134#429134 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:45:49 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Repairman certificate questions From: "nightmare" just got off the phone with an EAA tech advisor. Tim Bocenhagen?. Very helpful. he said that I could use the experience from building the piet toward the experience requirements of an A&P license. he did say however it is completely up to the local fsdo inspector how much of that time he would count. this is where detailed mx logbook entries are important as well as entries from a friendly A&P to vouch for the authenticity of my logs and quality of tasks performed. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429135#429135 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:06:30 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Repairman certificate questions Thanks, Paul. The short answer to your question on experience building counting towards you're a&P is "It Depends". When I finished my Pietenpol, I had a fellow from the Greensboro (I was living in NC at the time) FSDO come out and do the inspection. I asked him that question directly and he told me that with the level of documentation I had (detailed work logs and a photo scrapbook 2" thick), the FAA would accept that as experience towards an A&P License. Since I've moved to Virginia, I've been told that the FSDO in Richmond will not accept it, since the work was not done on a certificated airplane and was not required to be of FAA approved quality. I'd talk with your local FSDO and get whatever they say in writing. The guy that told me that is long since retired and I wish I had his comments on paper. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 3:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Repairman certificate questions thanks Guys. thats a pleasant surprise! now for my second question. can I use the time that I built and work on my Piet towards the experience requirement for the A&P? I think ill give eaa a call right now and ask. Jack, your bed and breakfast is on my "gotta fly to" list when my Piet is done. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429128#429128 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:22:38 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Repairman certificate questions From: "tkreiner" When I was at OSH a year or two ago, we met with the FAA guys, who were surprisingly knowledgable and helpful, regarding this subject. Around that time, EAA started classes for the LSA (only) A&P classes. The classes run for 40 hours - a full week - if memory serves me correctly and are only offered at EAA headquarters at Wittman field. The classes run about $3600. or so. After taking the classes, you have the A&P ticket to do everything on LSA aircraft. Fix 'em, sign 'em off, the whole 9 yards. Now here's the truly neat thing: Once you have 18 months of experience, YOU MAY SIGN YOURSELF OFF AS HAVING HAD THE EXPERIENCE for the full A&P license, and voila, your're a full fledged A&P capable of working on any aircraft! -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429137#429137 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:51:57 PM PST US From: Jim Brewer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rust Charles, I don't know what you are needing to remove rust from and how quickly you would like to remove it but if you are not in a great hurry I would recommend the molasses method. It is cheap and works very well. Here is a good video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq5IUiYMhRM You can get the liquid or dried molasses at a farm feed store. Here in Albemarle, NC you can save money by taking your container with you. With either method (electrolysis or molasses) you should check the part and brush off the residue and then put it back in the solution to finish. This better exposes the surface to the solution. Molasses uses the chelating process to remove the rust. As the electrolysis video mentions...DO NOT use stainless steel for the electrodes as it frees the chromium from the steel and makes the solution a hazardous waste product that can cause harm. I have used both methods and I like the molasses method best. One other note, for the electrolysis method you can get the washing soda (sodium carbonate) at dollar stores or look at swimming pool stores or big box stores for pH balance. Avoid battery chargers that are computer controlled. Just use the cheap ones like in the video. You have to fool the computer controlled ones or they won't work. The amount of current you put in controls the rate of removal up to a point. Slower works best. I think you are a neighbor to the north....right? On 08/22/2014 11:32 AM, Charles N. Campbell wrote: > I remember a post about a device to remove rust. It used steel rods > on the inside of a container and (electrically separated) the rusty > item submerged in a solution. I need to do that but can't find the > article in the archives. Does anyone remember the approximate date > and the author's name -- if known? I really need help!!! Chuck > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Repairman certificate questions From: Ryan Mueller Tom, Once you have 18 months you would be able to go for the Airframe *or* Powerplant rating, but not both. The full A&P is going to require 30 months (documented, of course).... As the Feds note in 65-2, "The documentary evidence specified in 65.77 may take any of the various forms such as letters from present and former employers, military service records, business records, etc, as long as the FAA inspector or advisor who reviews it is able to determine that the type and amount of experience meets the requirement." As Jack notes, it can vary from FSDO to FSDO, examiner to examiner, but generally speaking they are going to want to see proof that you somewhat continuously used the privileges of your LSRM-A ticket during those 30 months....odds are just tinkering with your own aircraft is not going to be sufficient. It would lean more towards the amount of experience you accrue through full-time employment of the ticket during those 30 months. YMMV, consult with your local friendly FAA reps.... -Ryan On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 3:22 PM, tkreiner wrote: > > When I was at OSH a year or two ago, we met with the FAA guys, who were > surprisingly knowledgable and helpful, regarding this subject. > > Around that time, EAA started classes for the LSA (only) A&P classes. The > classes run for 40 hours - a full week - if memory serves me correctly and > are only offered at EAA headquarters at Wittman field. The classes run > about $3600. or so. > > After taking the classes, you have the A&P ticket to do everything on LSA > aircraft. Fix 'em, sign 'em off, the whole 9 yards. > > Now here's the truly neat thing: Once you have 18 months of experience, > YOU MAY SIGN YOURSELF OFF AS HAVING HAD THE EXPERIENCE for the full A&P > license, and voila, your're a full fledged A&P capable of working on any > aircraft! > > -------- > Tom Kreiner > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429137#429137 > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:02 PM PST US From: gliderx5@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint Mike Thanks. The polishing is a little extra work, but it really brings out the shine (if that's what you're after). I used 6 coats of Gliddon Gripper gray primer, thinned with water, applied with a foam brush, and sanded with 220 grit dry as a base for the color coats and to fill the weave. I'm trying t o capture as much about the latex process, history, tools, etc as I can on my site at wienerdogaero.com. There are also links to my webinar, slides, a nd other folks sites there. Have a look if you get a chance. Any constructi ve feedback is always appreciated. I'm just trying to share what I, and man y, many others have stumbled on to on using latex on airplanes. I hope it's useful. Malcolm Morrison wienerdogareo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D. Cuy (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 2:02:21 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint Malcolm---that is just a beautiful looking result you got using the Sherwin Williams gloss latex and with buffing it looks even better. Unless you rea lly want the flat, unfinished look of latex then the that is okay but yours is the very first latex method I=99ve seen that rivals what we normally see on aircraft and auto finishes. Outstanding looking. May I ask what your primer coats (if any) are to fill the weave? You =99ve got some outstanding results there. Mike C. Ohio For anyone interested in latex, I just put a very short video on Youtube, h ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX611NL7eHk&feature=youtu.be , that show s the top wing of the Micro Mong biplane that I'm currently working on. The video shows the difference between polishing and not polishing. Both look great. It just depends in the type of finish that you're looking for. I'm a sucker for smooth and shiny. Malcolm Morrison wienerdogaero.com === ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:40:31 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Barnstormers PietenpolJoshuaharel $1,500.00 From: "nightmare" Looks like a great deal for someone looking for a major shortcut. Looks complete including corvair engine. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429149#429149 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motivation From: "Jerry Dotson" Here is my motivation. Every fly-in I take the Piet to I ask every child that comes by if they want to sit in my airplane. I wish I had an accurate count but a good guess that close to 100 kids have played with the stick. I love kids and have had very little negative results. That warms my heart. Seeing the looks on their faces is my motivation. -------- Jerry Dotson First flight June 16,2012 Flying in phase 2 Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429153#429153 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a4_440.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/a1_454.jpg ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:21:00 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motivation From: Marcus Zechini Do this any chance I get. Great to see kids smile! On Aug 22, 2014 8:10 PM, "Jerry Dotson" wrote: > jdotson@centurylink.net> > > Here is my motivation. Every fly-in I take the Piet to I ask every child > that comes by if they want to sit in my airplane. I wish I had an accurate > count but a good guess that close to 100 kids have played with the stick. I > love kids and have had very little negative results. That warms my heart. > Seeing the looks on their faces is my motivation. > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > > First flight June 16,2012 > Flying in phase 2 > Lycoming O-235 C2C > Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 > do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429153#429153 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/a4_440.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/a1_454.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:07 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Barnstormers PietenpolJoshuaharel $1,500.00 From: "jarheadpilot82" Paul, Do you have a link? -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429156#429156 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Barnstormers PietenpolJoshuaharel $1,500.00 From: Ryan Mueller The only $1500 Pietenpol listed on Barnstormers right now is this "treasure in pieces": http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_926360_1987+Pietenpol+Aircamper.html Although they've pictured a VW engine with that one, not a Corvair..... On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 7:59 PM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: > jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com> > > Paul, > > Do you have a link? > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429156#429156 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.