---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 08/31/14: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:50 AM - Re: W & B, CG, and LG location question (GrantZ) 2. 07:10 AM - Evening flight (Jeff Boatright) 3. 07:24 AM - Re: Evening flight (Gary Boothe) 4. 07:40 AM - FW: Smoke (Gary Boothe) 5. 07:48 AM - Re: Evening flight (Jeff Boatright) 6. 07:58 AM - Re: Smoke (Jeff Boatright) 7. 08:12 AM - Re: Re: Smoke (Gary Boothe) 8. 01:19 PM - Re: Evening flight (Ray Krause) 9. 04:31 PM - Re: Evening flight (Jeff Boatright) 10. 05:31 PM - Re: Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Doug) 11. 05:42 PM - Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Dan P) 12. 08:09 PM - Re: Pietenpol "Blitzkrieg" to fly again (Baldeagle) 13. 08:13 PM - Vi Kapler hinge re-bushing (taildrags) 14. 09:10 PM - Re: Re: Evening flight (Ray Krause) 15. 09:18 PM - Re: Pietenpol "Blitzkrieg" to fly again (Baldeagle) 16. 09:28 PM - Re: Pietenpol "Blitzkrieg" to fly again (aerocarjake) 17. 09:45 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol "Blitzkrieg" to fly again (Ray Krause) 18. 09:53 PM - Re: More notes on CG, axle location and weight (AG) 19. 09:59 PM - Re: FW: Smoke (Ray Krause) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:45 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: W & B, CG, and LG location question From: "GrantZ" William, Thanks for the assistance on this issue. Here is the info you needed. 1) 100 hp Corvair with 2 bladed Warp Drive prop 2) 174 inches from front of firewall to tail post. I have added 2 inches to the first bay of the long fuselage version to get a little more leg room 3) Let's use 225 to allow for some winter flying clothes. Normal summer weight should be a max of 215 Thanks again for the help. I look forward to seeing the full calculation. Grant Ziebell Savannah, TN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429677#429677 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:13 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Evening flight From: "Jeff Boatright" Just some floobydust for your Labor Day weekend: http://youtu.be/ZdcKXbX8eVw Hope you get a chance to fly or work on your project this weekend! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429680#429680 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:08 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Evening flight Nice, Jeff! I tried a tail-mounted camera, too, and got way too much vibration. Yours isn't too bad. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Boatright Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 7:10 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Evening flight --> Just some floobydust for your Labor Day weekend: http://youtu.be/ZdcKXbX8eVw Hope you get a chance to fly or work on your project this weekend! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429680#429680 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:12 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: FW: Smoke For those not on Facebook. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttAXGGc-IoY &feature=youtu.be Gary Boothe NX308MB ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Evening flight From: "Jeff Boatright" Thanks, Gary. That was a very peaceful evening. For those who don't care for the music, there is a "naked" version at: http://youtu.be/byXrhoBYfHg?list=UUSToJirZgmDJ6HKusAkowDQ It's too bad that there's so much jitter on the tail-mounted camera. I guess I'll go back to using the PVC "boom" on the left wing. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429686#429686 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:42 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Smoke From: "Jeff Boatright" You know those things are addictive, right? [Wink] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429688#429688 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:00 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Smoke From: Gary Boothe I could quit anytime.... ;-) Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 31, 2014, at 7:56 AM, "Jeff Boatright" wrote: > > > You know those things are addictive, right? > > [Wink] > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429688#429688 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:19:58 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Evening flight Jeffery, Absolutely beautiful! Observations: how do you fly that plane sitting backwards in the cockpit? Note the first couple of views right after takeoff. You have your rudder horns below the elevators? I did the same on my SkyScout. I know, it is not that way on the plans, but it should make the steerable tail wheel easier to operate. Thanks for the great inspiration, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Aug 31, 2014, at 7:09 AM, "Jeff Boatright" wrote: > > > Just some floobydust for your Labor Day weekend: > > http://youtu.be/ZdcKXbX8eVw > > Hope you get a chance to fly or work on your project this weekend! > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429680#429680 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:31:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Evening flight From: "Jeff Boatright" Hi Ray, Thanks for the kind words. I just got lucky -- the beauty was there for the camera. My wife noticed that face, too. Sort of a Bert and Ernie look. Yep, my rudder control horns are below the horizontal stab. I didn't build the plane originally (though I've disassembled/reassembled it twice and rebuilt the forward fuselage once). I have always thought that the Skyscout was a very, very cool airplane. Do you have any pix of yours? What will you power it with? I've also always wondered if, given that I've been told it's the same design as the Aircamper but weigh less, how many Gs can it take? Jeff Ray Krause wrote: > Jeffery, > > Absolutely beautiful! > > Observations: how do you fly that plane sitting backwards in the cockpit? Note the first couple of views right after takeoff. > > You have your rudder horns below the elevators? I did the same on my SkyScout. I know, it is not that way on the plans, but it should make the steerable tail wheel easier to operate. > > Thanks for the great inspiration, > > Ray Krause > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On Aug 31, 2014, at 7:09 AM, "Jeff Boatright" wrote: > > > > > > > > Just some floobydust for your Labor Day weekend: > > > > http://youtu.be/ZdcKXbX8eVw > > > > Hope you get a chance to fly or work on your project this weekend! > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429680#429680 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429714#429714 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:31:38 PM PST US From: Doug Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans They're worth $0 to someone with ethics. Doug Dever =0A In beautiful Stow Ohio > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans > From: dlplett@swko.net > Date: Sat=2C 30 Aug 2014 20:05:52 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > > plett57(at)hotmail.com wrote: > > The plans came with the Pietenol. The Piet is long gone and I still ha ve plans. By count there a 19 sheets all together. I no longer need the plans. What is something like this worth and is anyone interested? > > > > Dan > > > D'oh. Interesting this posted me as a guest. > > -------- > Dan Plett > N28WH > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429663#429663 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:42:45 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans From: "Dan P" Doug. How do you figure that? -------- Dan Plett N28WH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429717#429717 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:45 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol "Blitzkrieg" to fly again From: "Baldeagle" And eureka, from the daughter in law of one of the original builders. Grand Rapids, Michigan, about 1935. On the left is Charlie Centilli, on the right his brother Walter, and in the middle is their brother in law Al Weller. This is a hand tinted color photo, the original color is more of a bright yellow, judging from what's left on scraps of fabric. Trim color is probably black, and the scheme is based on a common scheme used on Heath Parasols at the time. According to a census of the time found on ancestry.com the Centilli brothers worked at a furniture factory, so would've been skilled in wood work. -------- do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429726#429726 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/centilli_piet_charlie_al_weller_walt_114.jpg ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:26 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vi Kapler hinge re-bushing From: "taildrags" Hello, Pieters- Among the tools and parts that I got from Vi Kapler when I purchased the rights and the "tooling" for the cast hinges was a jig and instructions from Vi on re-bushing the pivot pin holes in the hinge castings. According to the instructions that he wrote (by hand, all of them), Vi says that when a set of hinges has 750-1000 hours on them some play may develop due to wear. The fix is to re-bush the pivot pin holes with brass sleeve inserts. If there are any Piets out there that have noticeable play in their Kapler hinges and have flying hours up in the range that Vi mentions, I would be happy to re-bush your set of 9 pairs of hinges for $20 plus return postage, which is $6 in the small USPS prepaid box. For overseas, I'll have to check with the USPS to see what it might cost to ship them back to you. Of course you'll have to remove your tail surfaces to remove the hinges, and if you've covered over them with fabric, you'll have to use an XActo knife to cut away the fabric to get to them. This operation is something that is best done during winter when you're not flying or when you have the airplane down for annual condition inspection. I am no longer on the Matronics list and only check the forum periodically, so if you are interested in having your hinges re-bushed, contact me directly at taildrags@hotmail.com or I likely won't see your response. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429727#429727 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:53 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Evening flight Jeff, I will be using an A-65, just overhauled and hopefully putting out the full 6 5 hp. Unfortunately, I have not been trying to be too "light weight" minded. I may come in on the heavy side. It is built to plans, save for a few thing s like the rudder horns, tail wheel and extra blocks here and there. Not sur e it it's G loading could be any greater than the Aircamper with only on per son up. It is the same wing, shorter fuselage, same tail, motor mount, etc. I have been told it performs better because it is lighter, but I don't know i f that will be true. I'm sure it will perform better than my Aeronca in cli mb, but maybe not speed. But I think it will be a blast...just like your! I will attach some pictures, maybe too large... Sent from my iPad > On Aug 31, 2014, at 4:31 PM, "Jeff Boatright" wr ote: > y.edu> > > Hi Ray, > > Thanks for the kind words. I just got lucky -- the beauty was there for th e camera. > > My wife noticed that face, too. Sort of a Bert and Ernie look. > > Yep, my rudder control horns are below the horizontal stab. I didn't build the plane originally (though I've disassembled/reassembled it twice and reb uilt the forward fuselage once). > > I have always thought that the Skyscout was a very, very cool airplane. Do you have any pix of yours? What will you power it with? I've also always wo ndered if, given that I've been told it's the same design as the Aircamper b ut weigh less, how many Gs can it take? > > > Jeff > > > Ray Krause wrote: >> Jeffery, >> >> Absolutely beautiful! >> >> Observations: how do you fly that plane sitting backwards in the cockpit? Note the first couple of views right after takeoff. >> >> You have your rudder horns below the elevators? I did the same on my SkyS cout. I know, it is not that way on the plans, but it should make the steera ble tail wheel easier to operate. >> >> Thanks for the great inspiration, >> >> Ray Krause >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >>> On Aug 31, 2014, at 7:09 AM, "Jeff Boatright" wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Just some floobydust for your Labor Day weekend: >>> >>> http://youtu.be/ZdcKXbX8eVw >>> >>> Hope you get a chance to fly or work on your project this weekend! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429680#429680 > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429714#429714 > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > >



________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol "Blitzkrieg" to fly again From: "Baldeagle" A few more from the Centilli family photo albums -------- do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429732#429732 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/centilli_piet_walts_nephew_and_neices_131.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/centilli_piet_unk_ladies_206.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/centilli_piet_unk_couple_108.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/centilli_piet_al_walt_charlie_597.jpg ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:00 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol "Blitzkrieg" to fly again From: "aerocarjake" Those photos are just TOO cool.... Wonderful that your bird has some real history....! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429733#429733 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:45:01 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol "Blitzkrieg" to fly again Neat photos, what a lot of history you have uncovered. Wish you the best of luck in restoring this beauty, what a labor of love! Congratulations, Ray Krause Building a SkyScout Sent from my iPad > On Aug 31, 2014, at 9:17 PM, "Baldeagle" wrote: > > > A few more from the Centilli family photo albums > > -------- > do not archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429732#429732 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/centilli_piet_walts_nephew_and_neices_131.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/centilli_piet_unk_ladies_206.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/centilli_piet_unk_couple_108.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/centilli_piet_al_walt_charlie_597.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:07 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More notes on CG, axle location and weight From: "AG" Interesting to think about while planning my gear set-up. On the subject of landing gear - I'm still hoping to find out a bit more about your trailer wheel set-up mentioned in one of your older posts regarding your low-cost R&D project. I'm especially interested in how you made your hubs. Any info would be appreciated... Andy Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429735#429735 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:28 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Smoke Really neat, Gary! Now where are the plans/explanation on how you did it? M aybe I will just have to come over there and beat it out of you! Nice video! Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Aug 31, 2014, at 7:39 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > > For those not on Facebook > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttAXGGc-IoY&feature=youtu.be > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.