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1. 12:07 AM - Re: Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Doug)
2. 05:14 AM - Trip planning (danhelsper@aol.com)
3. 05:19 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol "Blitzkrieg" to fly again (danhelsper@aol.com)
4. 05:24 AM - Re: FW: Smoke (Gary Boothe)
5. 07:04 AM - Re: Evening flight (Jeff Boatright)
6. 08:14 AM - Re: Re: Evening flight (Gary Boothe)
7. 08:55 AM - Re: FW: Smoke (Ray Krause)
8. 08:57 AM - Re: Re: Evening flight (Ray Krause)
9. 09:10 AM - Blitzkrieg to fly (Douwe Blumberg)
10. 09:14 AM - Ray's Cowling (Gary Boothe)
11. 09:22 AM - Re: Re: Evening flight (Ray Krause)
12. 09:36 AM - Re: Re: Evening flight (Gary Boothe)
13. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: Evening flight (Ray Krause)
14. 11:05 AM - Re: Re: Evening flight (Gary Boothe)
15. 11:18 AM - Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Dan P)
16. 11:41 AM - Re: Re: Evening flight (Ray Krause)
17. 12:36 PM - first smoke (Douwe Blumberg)
18. 12:39 PM - what's with fly-in WX??? (Douwe Blumberg)
19. 01:07 PM - Re: what's with fly-in WX??? (Gary Boothe)
20. 05:02 PM - Re: what's with fly-in WX??? (Jack)
21. 06:19 PM - Re: Eyesight now Holiday Inn for Air Races (Dan P)
22. 06:45 PM - Re: what's with fly-in WX??? (john francis)
23. 07:19 PM - Re: Driled crank (Brett Phillips)
24. 07:27 PM - Re: Evening flight (Jeff Boatright)
25. 07:36 PM - Re: Re: Evening flight (Ray Krause)
26. 08:14 PM - Re: Re: Evening flight (Jim Boyer)
27. 09:08 PM - Re: Re: Evening flight (Ray Krause)
28. 09:31 PM - More Smoke (Gary Boothe)
29. 11:01 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
30. 11:06 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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Subject: | Re: Used Pietenpol plans |
One airplane per set of plans.
Doug Dever
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In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
> From: dlplett@swko.net
> Date: Sun=2C 31 Aug 2014 17:42:13 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> Doug. How do you figure that?
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Hello G.P.=0A=0A=0AAnybody on this list building a Pietenpol in
the following towns?=0A=0A=0ALittle Rock AR.=0AMidland TX.=0AEl Paso
TX=0ATucson AZ=0ANew Orleans LA=0AMemphis TN.=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0A
Loensloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol "Blitzkrieg" to fly again |
Very very cool. Maybe the start of the black-and-yellow tradit
ion :O)=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0ALoensloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A
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2014 10:10 pm=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol "Blitzkrie
aldeagle" <baldeagle27@earthlink.net>=0A=0AAnd eureka, from the daught
er in law of one of the original builders. Grand =0ARapid
s, Michigan, about 1935. On the left is Charlie Centilli,
on the right his =0Abrother Walter, and in the middle is t
heir brother in law Al Weller. This is a =0Ahand tinted
color photo, the original color is more of a bright yellow,
judging =0Afrom what's left on scraps of fabric. Trim color
is probably black, and the =0Ascheme is based on a common
scheme used on Heath Parasols at the time. =0AAccording
to a census of the time found on ancestry.com the Centilli
brothers =0Aworked at a furniture factory, so would've been sk
illed in wood work.=0A=0A--------=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead
this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=
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You=99ll have to beat it out of me, Ray, =98cause the plans
are in my head!...but here are some pics
The tank is just a basic windshield washer tank with motor. It may be
for a Toyota. I have =C2=BC=9D aluminum tube from the exhaust,
through the firewall, then clear tubing to the tank, located in the
forward baggage area. ON/OFF switch is at the panel. Picture #007 shows
the small irrigation line valve. I can only adjust by trial & error.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray
Krause
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Smoke
Really neat, Gary! Now where are the plans/explanation on how you did
it? Maybe I will just have to come over there and beat it out of you!
Nice video!
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 31, 2014, at 7:39 AM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
For those not on Facebook
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttAXGGc-IoY
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttAXGGc-IoY&feature=youtu.be>
&feature=youtu.be
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
<Smoke System 007.JPG>
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Subject: | Re: Evening flight |
Boy, that's beautiful, Ray. Congratulations. I'd forgotten how cool the landing
gear is on a Scout.
As to comparing to an Aeronca, I trained and got my ticket in a Champ, and have
a few hours in them otherwise. For the equipment I've flown anyway, my Piet is
much more nimble and has a greater ROC. It may be slower. Here's what I see
on the ASI with ~10 gal fuel and one 160 lb pilot on warm summer evenings (say,
90F and high humidity):
2000 rpm = 60 mph (a little slow)
2100 rpm = 65 mph (just right)
2200 rpm = 70 mph (just right)
2300 rpm = 75 mph (a little fast)
2400 rpm = 80 mph (too fast)
2500 rpm = 85-90 mph (way too fast)
This particular Piet has always felt unhappy when going more than 75 mph (or I
should say, the pilot feels unhappy), regardless of whether powered by worn-out
A-65 or a low-time C-85 and regardless of what prop, so I very rarely do that.
Most of my flying is around 60-70 mph.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429759#429759
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Subject: | Re: Evening flight |
Nice cowl work, Ray!!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Evening flight
Jeff,
I will be using an A-65, just overhauled and hopefully putting out the full
65 hp. Unfortunately, I have not been trying to be too "light weight"
minded. I may come in on the heavy side. It is built to plans, save for a
few things like the rudder horns, tail wheel and extra blocks here and
there. Not sure it it's G loading could be any greater than the Aircamper
with only on person up. It is the same wing, shorter fuselage, same tail,
motor mount, etc. I have been told it performs better because it is lighter,
but I don't know if that will be true. I'm sure it will perform better than
my Aeronca in climb, but maybe not speed. But I think it will be a
blast...just like your!
I will attach some pictures, maybe too large...
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Thanks, Gary! I guess we won't have to go through the beating process. I wi
ll save the pics with your notes for future reference. I'm sure this is some
thing I will want to do. One of the crop dusters here in Colusa has smoke on
his plane and uses it a lot to let us know where he is in the pattern. He u
ses unusual patterns and we all accommodate him because he is making money, w
e are just playing and we can easily see him. He monitors the radio and ann
ounces (very unusual for dusters), then gives a puff of smoke and we tell hi
m to go ahead of us. Really a nice way to operate.
Thanks,
Ray
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 1, 2014, at 5:24 AM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> You=99ll have to beat it out of me, Ray, =98cause the plans ar
e in my head!...but here are some pics
>
> The tank is just a basic windshield washer tank with motor. It may be for a
Toyota. I have =C2=BC=9D aluminum tube from the exhaust, through the f
irewall, then clear tubing to the tank, located in the forward baggage area.
ON/OFF switch is at the panel. Picture #007 shows the small irrigation line
valve. I can only adjust by trial & error.
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 9:58 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Smoke
>
> Really neat, Gary! Now where are the plans/explanation on how you did it?
Maybe I will just have to come over there and beat it out of you!
>
> Nice video!
>
> Ray Krause
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 31, 2014, at 7:39 AM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> For those not on Facebook
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttAXGGc-IoY&feature=youtu.be
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> <Smoke System 007.JPG>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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> <Fitting installed.JPG>
> <Fitting welded to washer.JPG>
> <Smoke System 007.JPG>
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Subject: | Re: Evening flight |
Do you recognize the 12" frying pan on the nose? Thanks, it is even better now
with some added mods. Hope it works out.
Ray
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 1, 2014, at 8:13 AM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Nice cowl work, Ray!!
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 9:08 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Evening flight
>
> Jeff,
>
> I will be using an A-65, just overhauled and hopefully putting out the full
> 65 hp. Unfortunately, I have not been trying to be too "light weight"
> minded. I may come in on the heavy side. It is built to plans, save for a
> few things like the rudder horns, tail wheel and extra blocks here and
> there. Not sure it it's G loading could be any greater than the Aircamper
> with only on person up. It is the same wing, shorter fuselage, same tail,
> motor mount, etc. I have been told it performs better because it is lighter,
> but I don't know if that will be true. I'm sure it will perform better than
> my Aeronca in climb, but maybe not speed. But I think it will be a
> blast...just like your!
>
> I will attach some pictures, maybe too large...
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Blitzkrieg to fly |
Now that's a cool paint scheme!!
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...thought I smelled bacon!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Evening flight
--> <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
Do you recognize the 12" frying pan on the nose? Thanks, it is even better
now with some added mods. Hope it works out.
Ray
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 1, 2014, at 8:13 AM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> --> <gboothe5@comcast.net>
>
> Nice cowl work, Ray!!
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray
> Krause
> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 9:08 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Evening flight
>
> Jeff,
>
> I will be using an A-65, just overhauled and hopefully putting out the
> full
> 65 hp. Unfortunately, I have not been trying to be too "light weight"
> minded. I may come in on the heavy side. It is built to plans, save
> for a few things like the rudder horns, tail wheel and extra blocks
> here and there. Not sure it it's G loading could be any greater than
> the Aircamper with only on person up. It is the same wing, shorter
> fuselage, same tail, motor mount, etc. I have been told it performs
> better because it is lighter, but I don't know if that will be true.
> I'm sure it will perform better than my Aeronca in climb, but maybe
> not speed. But I think it will be a blast...just like your!
>
> I will attach some pictures, maybe too large...
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Evening flight |
Thanks for the compliment, Jeff. We will see if it is deserved when it flies
. I'm about two years into it and probably have another two to go! I plan on
starting to rig it this month. My dear friend, Merle, just made the strut e
nd fittings this week. They have to be cut to length as needed. He is a ret
ired machinist and master plane builder. He is also my welder and general co
nsultant and fixer when I screw up.....could not do it without him.
The landing gear is pretty neat, but is pretty springy! The phot has a solid
pipe going between the legs so I can keep it level so it does not hit the c
eiling. With the engine and wings on, the gear "should" be level. Putting th
e springs in the suspensions tubes is a dangerous job, could loose an eye, o
r worse. I will have to add a safety cable between the top and bottom pieces
of the suspension tubes in case the retaining bolts break in flight. That w
ould be a terrible situation...no gear to land on!
The gear, wheels and fuselage are all made to plans. But I think the gear is
too long because the deck angle is about 12 degrees. That is pretty close t
o the stall angle, right? What is your deck angle on the ground? At what ang
le does your plane stall. Maybe I will just have to do all wheel landing, t
hree pointers may be out! It would be a major job to change the gear! The d
rawing of the completed plane on the plans, although it is drawn level, woul
d be about 12 degrees by my "guessing".
The joys of plans building a plane!
Thanks,
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 1, 2014, at 7:03 AM, "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright@emory.edu> wro
te:
>
y.edu>
>
> Boy, that's beautiful, Ray. Congratulations. I'd forgotten how cool the la
nding gear is on a Scout.
>
> As to comparing to an Aeronca, I trained and got my ticket in a Champ, and
have a few hours in them otherwise. For the equipment I've flown anyway, my
Piet is much more nimble and has a greater ROC. It may be slower. Here's wh
at I see on the ASI with ~10 gal fuel and one 160 lb pilot on warm summer ev
enings (say, 90F and high humidity):
>
> 2000 rpm = 60 mph (a little slow)
> 2100 rpm = 65 mph (just right)
> 2200 rpm = 70 mph (just right)
> 2300 rpm = 75 mph (a little fast)
> 2400 rpm = 80 mph (too fast)
> 2500 rpm = 85-90 mph (way too fast)
>
> This particular Piet has always felt unhappy when going more than 75 mph (
or I should say, the pilot feels unhappy), regardless of whether powered by w
orn-out A-65 or a low-time C-85 and regardless of what prop, so I very rarel
y do that. Most of my flying is around 60-70 mph.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429759#429759
>
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Subject: | Re: Evening flight |
Ray,
FYI...with my first tailwheel, my deck angle was about 13deg, and I had all
sorts of landing troubles. Now it's about 11 deg, and life is much better!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Evening flight
Thanks for the compliment, Jeff. We will see if it is deserved when it
flies. I'm about two years into it and probably have another two to go! I
plan on starting to rig it this month. My dear friend, Merle, just made the
strut end fittings this week. They have to be cut to length as needed. He
is a retired machinist and master plane builder. He is also my welder and
general consultant and fixer when I screw up.....could not do it without
him.
The landing gear is pretty neat, but is pretty springy! The phot has a solid
pipe going between the legs so I can keep it level so it does not hit the
ceiling. With the engine and wings on, the gear "should" be level. Putting
the springs in the suspensions tubes is a dangerous job, could loose an eye,
or worse. I will have to add a safety cable between the top and bottom
pieces of the suspension tubes in case the retaining bolts break in flight.
That would be a terrible situation...no gear to land on!
The gear, wheels and fuselage are all made to plans. But I think the gear is
too long because the deck angle is about 12 degrees. That is pretty close to
the stall angle, right? What is your deck angle on the ground? At what angle
does your plane stall. Maybe I will just have to do all wheel landing,
three pointers may be out! It would be a major job to change the gear! The
drawing of the completed plane on the plans, although it is drawn level,
would be about 12 degrees by my "guessing".
The joys of plans building a plane!
Thanks,
Ray Krause
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Subject: | Re: Evening flight |
Did you just raise the tail by using a higher tail wheel set up? Or is the landing
improvement a result of the newer style tail wheel? You did not change the
landing gear, right?
Thanks,
Ray
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 1, 2014, at 9:35 AM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Ray,
>
> FYI...with my first tailwheel, my deck angle was about 13deg, and I had all
> sorts of landing troubles. Now it's about 11 deg, and life is much better!
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 9:21 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Evening flight
>
> Thanks for the compliment, Jeff. We will see if it is deserved when it
> flies. I'm about two years into it and probably have another two to go! I
> plan on starting to rig it this month. My dear friend, Merle, just made the
> strut end fittings this week. They have to be cut to length as needed. He
> is a retired machinist and master plane builder. He is also my welder and
> general consultant and fixer when I screw up.....could not do it without
> him.
>
> The landing gear is pretty neat, but is pretty springy! The phot has a solid
> pipe going between the legs so I can keep it level so it does not hit the
> ceiling. With the engine and wings on, the gear "should" be level. Putting
> the springs in the suspensions tubes is a dangerous job, could loose an eye,
> or worse. I will have to add a safety cable between the top and bottom
> pieces of the suspension tubes in case the retaining bolts break in flight.
> That would be a terrible situation...no gear to land on!
>
> The gear, wheels and fuselage are all made to plans. But I think the gear is
> too long because the deck angle is about 12 degrees. That is pretty close to
> the stall angle, right? What is your deck angle on the ground? At what angle
> does your plane stall. Maybe I will just have to do all wheel landing,
> three pointers may be out! It would be a major job to change the gear! The
> drawing of the completed plane on the plans, although it is drawn level,
> would be about 12 degrees by my "guessing".
>
> The joys of plans building a plane!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Krause
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Evening flight |
Landing gear has not been changed...yet. I removed the BHP style A-frame and
went with typical spring and Matco tail wheel. That moved everything back
far enough to allow me to use a direct hook up between the rudder and the
tail wheel. The reduced deck angle was a fortunate side effect. Not that I
would ever do it, but one could drop in from 5' and the tail would stay
straight and true!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Evening flight
--> <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
Did you just raise the tail by using a higher tail wheel set up? Or is the
landing improvement a result of the newer style tail wheel? You did not
change the landing gear, right?
Thanks,
Ray
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 1, 2014, at 9:35 AM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> --> <gboothe5@comcast.net>
>
> Ray,
>
> FYI...with my first tailwheel, my deck angle was about 13deg, and I
> had all sorts of landing troubles. Now it's about 11 deg, and life is much
better!
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray
> Krause
> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 9:21 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Evening flight
>
> Thanks for the compliment, Jeff. We will see if it is deserved when it
> flies. I'm about two years into it and probably have another two to
> go! I plan on starting to rig it this month. My dear friend, Merle,
> just made the strut end fittings this week. They have to be cut to
> length as needed. He is a retired machinist and master plane builder.
> He is also my welder and general consultant and fixer when I screw
> up.....could not do it without him.
>
> The landing gear is pretty neat, but is pretty springy! The phot has a
> solid pipe going between the legs so I can keep it level so it does
> not hit the ceiling. With the engine and wings on, the gear "should"
> be level. Putting the springs in the suspensions tubes is a dangerous
> job, could loose an eye, or worse. I will have to add a safety cable
> between the top and bottom pieces of the suspension tubes in case the
retaining bolts break in flight.
> That would be a terrible situation...no gear to land on!
>
> The gear, wheels and fuselage are all made to plans. But I think the
> gear is too long because the deck angle is about 12 degrees. That is
> pretty close to the stall angle, right? What is your deck angle on the
> ground? At what angle does your plane stall. Maybe I will just have to do
all wheel landing,
> three pointers may be out! It would be a major job to change the gear!
The
> drawing of the completed plane on the plans, although it is drawn
> level, would be about 12 degrees by my "guessing".
>
> The joys of plans building a plane!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Krause
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Used Pietenpol plans |
>From Andrew Pietenpol.
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Dan Plett
N28WH
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Subject: | Re: Evening flight |
Thanks, Gary. I will see if I can raise the deck angle by extending the tail wheel,
raising the tail.
Ray
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 1, 2014, at 11:04 AM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Landing gear has not been changed...yet. I removed the BHP style A-frame and
> went with typical spring and Matco tail wheel. That moved everything back
> far enough to allow me to use a direct hook up between the rudder and the
> tail wheel. The reduced deck angle was a fortunate side effect. Not that I
> would ever do it, but one could drop in from 5' and the tail would stay
> straight and true!
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 10:03 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Evening flight
>
> --> <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
>
> Did you just raise the tail by using a higher tail wheel set up? Or is the
> landing improvement a result of the newer style tail wheel? You did not
> change the landing gear, right?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Sep 1, 2014, at 9:35 AM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> --> <gboothe5@comcast.net>
>>
>> Ray,
>>
>> FYI...with my first tailwheel, my deck angle was about 13deg, and I
>> had all sorts of landing troubles. Now it's about 11 deg, and life is much
> better!
>>
>> Gary Boothe
>> NX308MB
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray
>> Krause
>> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 9:21 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Evening flight
>>
>> Thanks for the compliment, Jeff. We will see if it is deserved when it
>> flies. I'm about two years into it and probably have another two to
>> go! I plan on starting to rig it this month. My dear friend, Merle,
>> just made the strut end fittings this week. They have to be cut to
>> length as needed. He is a retired machinist and master plane builder.
>> He is also my welder and general consultant and fixer when I screw
>> up.....could not do it without him.
>>
>> The landing gear is pretty neat, but is pretty springy! The phot has a
>> solid pipe going between the legs so I can keep it level so it does
>> not hit the ceiling. With the engine and wings on, the gear "should"
>> be level. Putting the springs in the suspensions tubes is a dangerous
>> job, could loose an eye, or worse. I will have to add a safety cable
>> between the top and bottom pieces of the suspension tubes in case the
> retaining bolts break in flight.
>> That would be a terrible situation...no gear to land on!
>>
>> The gear, wheels and fuselage are all made to plans. But I think the
>> gear is too long because the deck angle is about 12 degrees. That is
>> pretty close to the stall angle, right? What is your deck angle on the
>> ground? At what angle does your plane stall. Maybe I will just have to do
> all wheel landing,
>> three pointers may be out! It would be a major job to change the gear!
> The
>> drawing of the completed plane on the plans, although it is drawn
>> level, would be about 12 degrees by my "guessing".
>>
>> The joys of plans building a plane!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray Krause
>
>
>
>
> <Tail Wheel 001.JPG>
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Sweet video Gary!
Douwe
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Subject: | what's with fly-in WX??? |
Dang, every fly-in I try to hit turns up crappy weather!! What
gives????!!!!!
Just spent two soaking days at the Red Stewart fly-in which was a total
bust.
Poor me.
Douwe
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Subject: | what's with fly-in WX??? |
Go West, Young Man. I guarantee you won't encounter any rain in CA!!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 12:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: what's with fly-in WX???
Dang, every fly-in I try to hit turns up crappy weather!! What
gives????!!!!!
Just spent two soaking days at the Red Stewart fly-in which was a total
bust.
Poor me.
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: what's with fly-in WX??? |
Douwe Blakesburg was a mess too...
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
> On Sep 1, 2014, at 2:38 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
wrote:
>
> Dang, every fly-in I try to hit turns up crappy weather!! What gives????!!
!!!
>
> Just spent two soaking days at the Red Stewart fly-in which was a total bu
st.
>
> Poor me
>
> Douwe
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Eyesight now Holiday Inn for Air Races |
My sons and I will driving in from Pauls Valley Saturday morning. I'm not sure
what the lodging arangments for Saturday night will be. All in all it looks
to be a great weekend.
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Dan Plett
N28WH
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Subject: | Re: what's with fly-in WX??? |
Douwe,
When the rain started we checked the radar and bugged out. I feel for the organizers
who work so hard. At about 6 oclock that evening it was a grand exodus
from the airport.
John
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John Francis
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Subject: | Re: Driled crank |
The only plans I know of that advocate drilling the crankshaft for pressure lubrication
are the Corben plans. To my knowledge, Mr. Pietenpol never saw a need
for anything but splash lubrication for the rods and very low pressure to the
mains. Yes, the dipper tray needs to be modified, and oil lines need to be
made for the main bearings and dipper tray replenishment, but there's not much
more to the true Pietenpol model A lubrication system. Take a good look at the
diameter of the model A journals, then consider that you may be adding a stress
riser to the already small and limber crankshaft.
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Subject: | Re: Evening flight |
Sorry Ray, I don't know what my deck angle is at stall or sitting on the ground.
I might play around with it on the next flight, though and report back!
[quote="Ray Krause"]Thanks, Gary. I will see if I can raise the deck angle by extending
the tail wheel, raising the tail.
Ray
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 1, 2014, at 11:04 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
>
> Landing gear has not been changed...yet. I removed the BHP style A-frame and
> went with typical spring and Matco tail wheel. That moved everything back
> far enough to allow me to use a direct hook up between the rudder and the
> tail wheel. The reduced deck angle was a fortunate side effect. Not that I
> would ever do it, but one could drop in from 5' and the tail would stay
> straight and true!
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
> --
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Subject: | Re: Evening flight |
Jeff,
I've heard from several and my deck angle on the ground is not too far off from
others. I will study it further, but would like to know about yours, if you ever
find out.
Thanks,
Ray
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 1, 2014, at 7:27 PM, "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright@emory.edu> wrote:
>
>
> Sorry Ray, I don't know what my deck angle is at stall or sitting on the ground.
I might play around with it on the next flight, though and report back!
>
> [quote="Ray Krause"]Thanks, Gary. I will see if I can raise the deck angle by
extending the tail wheel, raising the tail.
>
> Ray
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>> On Sep 1, 2014, at 11:04 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
>>
>> Landing gear has not been changed...yet. I removed the BHP style A-frame and
>> went with typical spring and Matco tail wheel. That moved everything back
>> far enough to allow me to use a direct hook up between the rudder and the
>> tail wheel. The reduced deck angle was a fortunate side effect. Not that I
>> would ever do it, but one could drop in from 5' and the tail would stay
>> straight and true!
>>
>> Gary Boothe
>> NX308MB
>>
>>
>> --
>
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429812#429812
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Evening flight |
HI Ray,
What struts are you using and where did you get the aluminium for the end f
ittings? Thanks, JIm B.
=C2-
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Subject: | Re: Evening flight |
Jim,
The struts came from a friend of Gary's in Lincoln who had maybe twenty indi
vidual pieces. I probably paid about market value, but no shipping cost. So i
t was a great deal. Both front and rear struts will be the same size, the la
rger size.
The end fittings we're made from 1 X 1" square stock (Online Metals). It fit
s right into the ribs of the struts. Now I just have to measure, drill and i
nstall. No problem!
Hope this helps a little.
Ray
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 1, 2014, at 8:13 PM, Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> HI Ray,
>
> What struts are you using and where did you get the aluminium for the end f
ittings? Thanks, JIm B.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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A great evening for flying! Temp in the mid 90=92s=85no wind! This was a
=BD & =BD
mixture of ATF and baby oil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z7banO07qU
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z7banO07qU&feature=youtu.be>
&feature=youtu.be
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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