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1. 04:30 AM - Re: More Smoke (Jeff Boatright)
2. 05:15 AM - Re: Re: More Smoke (Gary Boothe)
3. 06:32 AM - tarp (Douwe Blumberg)
4. 06:39 AM - Re: Re: Eyesight now Holiday Inn for Air Races (Steven Dortch)
5. 06:40 AM - Red Bull Air Races (Steven Dortch)
6. 07:59 AM - Re: More Smoke (Ray Krause)
7. 08:17 AM - Re: tarp (john francis)
8. 08:31 AM - Re: tarp (namrednos)
9. 10:08 AM - Re: Red Bull Air Races (Ben Charvet)
10. 10:12 AM - Re: Re: Evening flight (Jim Boyer)
11. 10:56 AM - Re: Re: Evening flight (Ray Krause)
12. 11:06 AM - Jeep engine (aviken)
13. 11:06 AM - Re: Red Bull Air Races (Michael Perez)
14. 11:59 AM - catching on Gary----it's catching on...... (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
15. 12:22 PM - Re: catching on Gary----it's catching on...... (Gary Boothe)
16. 12:38 PM - Re: Jeep engine (Steven Dortch)
17. 12:39 PM - Re: Jeep engine (Steven Dortch)
18. 12:40 PM - Re: Jeep engine (William Wynne)
19. 12:45 PM - Re: Jeep engine (William Wynne)
20. 12:57 PM - Turtle Deck Suppport (john francis)
21. 01:45 PM - Re: More Smoke (Gary Boothe)
22. 02:14 PM - Re: catching on Gary----it's catching on...... (Ray Krause)
23. 03:51 PM - Re: Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Doug)
24. 04:43 PM - Re: Re: Evening flight (Jim Boyer)
25. 05:00 PM - Re: Red Bull Air Races (Dan P)
26. 05:08 PM - Re: Re: Red Bull Air Races (Gary Boothe)
27. 05:52 PM - Re: Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Bill Budgell)
28. 06:09 PM - Re: Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Gary Boothe)
29. 06:26 PM - Re: Re: Used Pietenpol plans (glenschweizer@yahoo.com)
30. 07:22 PM - Tool stock planned 19-22 February. (tools)
31. 07:32 PM - Re: Re: Evening flight (Ray Krause)
32. 07:40 PM - Re: Re: Evening flight (Jim Boyer)
33. 07:47 PM - Re: Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Bill Budgell)
34. 07:53 PM - Re: Re: Evening flight (Ray Krause)
35. 09:17 PM - Re: W & B, CG, and LG location question (William Wynne)
36. 10:16 PM - Re: Used Pietenpol plans (William Wynne)
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Very nice! I think the ATF/baby oil gives more fluffiness. Or were you opening
the spigot more?
> A great evening for flying! Temp in the mid 90sno wind! This was a & mixture
of ATF and baby oil.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z7banO07qU&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z7banO07qU&feature=youtu.be)
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> Gary Boothe
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Same spigot opening, Jeff. I'll let the ATF burn out and switch to mineral oil
or real smoke oil. Hardly any blow back on the plane this time, though!!
Gary Boothe
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Boatright
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 4:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More Smoke
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Very nice! I think the ATF/baby oil gives more fluffiness. Or were you opening
the spigot more?
> A great evening for flying! Temp in the mid 90sno wind! This was a & mixture
of ATF and baby oil.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z7banO07qU&feature=youtu.be
> (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z7banO07qU&feature=youtu.be)
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> Gary Boothe
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Hey John Francis, I owe you a tarp dude!
I can't thank you enough for loaning it to me at Stewarts, it REALLY came in
handy!!
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Eyesight now Holiday Inn for Air Races |
Sleep Inn and Suites at Roanoke, Texas is where we are going to stay. Rates
are good. Not sure if they have an opening.
On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Dan P <dlplett@swko.net> wrote:
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> My sons and I will driving in from Pauls Valley Saturday morning. I'm not
> sure what the lodging arangments for Saturday night will be. All in all it
> looks to be a great weekend.
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> Dan Plett
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Steve D
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| Subject: | Red Bull Air Races |
I am a little ashamed that no one on this list has entered their Pietenpol
in the Red Bull Air Races!
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Beautiful, Gary, thanks! Why don't you come over to Colusa, sometime? Maybe
as the weather cools, we will have better opportunities. It would be fun to
have such a nice plane land here.
Ray
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> On Sep 1, 2014, at 9:31 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
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> A great evening for flying! Temp in the mid 90=99sno wind! T
his was a =C2=BD & =C2=BD mixture of ATF and baby oil.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z7banO07qU&feature=youtu.be
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> Gary Boothe
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Keep it Douwe. Pay it forward.
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John Francis
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Douwe, the weather was great until 6:30
Your plane is one of a kind. I was very impressed with your delightful daughter.
I wish one of my 4 daughters would take interest in our hobby.
See attached
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Scott
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| Subject: | Re: Red Bull Air Races |
I need more practice on my knife edge turns
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> On Sep 2, 2014, at 9:39 AM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com> wrot
e:
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> I am a little ashamed that no one on this list has entered their Pietenpol
in the Red Bull Air Races!
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> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Evening flight |
Hi Ray, I need a piece of 1x1 yet myself; my struts are the large size from
Carlsons.
Thanks,
Jim
=C2-
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| Subject: | Re: Evening flight |
Jim,
I will have about 6 pieces, 6" long, what do you need. You may have it. Let
me know.
Ray
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> On Sep 2, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Hi Ray, I need a piece of 1x1 yet myself; my struts are the large size fro
m Carlsons.
> Thanks,
> Jim
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Hello again... I have some information that I have developed recently... I was
attempting to match the Jeep 134 L head Go Devil engine, Of WW2 fame to use in
the place of a Model A on my pietenpol project. I progressed to the point of
installing a Slick mag and new intake and exhaust as well as installing a
tachometer drive mount. After testing with a Tillotson Model A Carb which it
only managed 1600 rpm, I tried it with a larger Bendix carb and got it up to
1800. This is with a 72 inch Seninich prop from a Champ.... I had hoped for
at least 2000 rpm. I have decided that the jeep engine is probably too small
for the task, And I have moved on to other options. If anyone would like
to continue this test or have any questions please give me a call at 870-926-7165.
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| Subject: | Re: Red Bull Air Races |
If my plane had the 40 hours flown off...
If God is your co-pilot, switch seats
Mike Perez
Karetaker Aero
Construction complete! (8/2014)
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| Subject: | catching on Gary----it's catching on...... |
Great work Gary Boothe in getting your smoke system working. Your video a
re fantastic and thanks for taking us along for the ride. Here are a few
others who are also having fun vaporizing the daylights out of various oils
. A shiney Luscombe and a few others at the Antique Airplane Associati
on Fly In
at Ottumwa, Iowa this past weekend.
Mike C.
Ohio
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| Subject: | Re: catching on Gary----it's catching on...... |
Thanks, Mike! I aspire to smoke like any one of those guys!
Gary
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> On Sep 2, 2014, at 11:59 AM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners,
LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
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> Great work Gary Boothe in getting your smoke system working. Your video a
re fantastic and thanks for taking us along for the ride. Here are a few
> others who are also having fun vaporizing the daylights out of various oil
s. A shiney Luscombe and a few others at the Antique Airplane Associati
on Fly In
> at Ottumwa, Iowa this past weekend.
>
> Mike C.
> Ohio
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could I swing a big paddle bladed prop slowly? Isn't that what the model A
Piets do?
Steve D
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 1:06 PM, aviken <aviken@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> Hello again... I have some information that I have developed recently... I
> was attempting to match the Jeep 134 L head Go Devil engine, Of WW2 fame to
> use in the place of a Model A on my pietenpol project. I progressed to
> the point of installing a Slick mag and new intake and exhaust as well as
> installing a tachometer drive mount. After testing with a Tillotson Model
> A Carb which it only managed 1600 rpm, I tried it with a larger Bendix
> carb and got it up to 1800. This is with a 72 inch Seninich prop from a
> Champ.... I had hoped for at least 2000 rpm. I have decided that the jeep
> engine is probably too small for the task, And I have moved on to other
> options. If anyone would like to continue this test or have any questions
> please give me a call at 870-926-7165.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429852#429852
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Should have been "Could it..."
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
wrote:
> could I swing a big paddle bladed prop slowly? Isn't that what the model A
> Piets do?
>
> Steve D
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 1:06 PM, aviken <aviken@windstream.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello again... I have some information that I have developed recently...
>> I was attempting to match the Jeep 134 L head Go Devil engine, Of WW2 fame
>> to use in the place of a Model A on my pietenpol project. I progressed to
>> the point of installing a Slick mag and new intake and exhaust as well as
>> installing a tachometer drive mount. After testing with a Tillotson Model
>> A Carb which it only managed 1600 rpm, I tried it with a larger Bendix
>> carb and got it up to 1800. This is with a 72 inch Seninich prop from a
>> Champ.... I had hoped for at least 2000 rpm. I have decided that the jeep
>> engine is probably too small for the task, And I have moved on to other
>> options. If anyone would like to continue this test or have any questions
>> please give me a call at 870-926-7165.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429852#429852
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> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Ken,
Don't throw in the towel just yet! A few more easy tests might reveal some better
results....
1) Borrow a manifold pressure gage from someone or buy a cheap one. tap it into
your intake and re-run the engine at wide open throttle and note the reading.
If it is not within 1" of ambient pressure, you need a bigger carb.
2) How far advanced did you try the timing?
3) A champ prop is a good prop for a 65hp engine with a 2375 redline, but I suspect
that you are leaving a lot of ponies in the barn by shooting for too low
an rpm. All of my loaner Corvair props have the same SAE 1 bolt pattern, but they
have opposite rotation blades. If need be, I could scrounge up some in your
rotation. I suspect that a 66" two blade prop set for 2,500 static rpm would
provide a very different hp and thrust picture for your engine. As an engine
with a pressurized oil system and insert bearings it will not be harmed by this
rpm. I am guessing 1800 isn't even the torque peak for the engine. The right
prop to allow your engine to speed up some is in order.
4) My friend Bob Lester, who switched from a 65 Lycoming to a Corvair on his Piet
may still have the original prop, and they have somewhat less pitch and area
than a Continental prop, as they were certified at a higher rpm, I will find
out if you can perhaps test this, if we can't put option #3 together.
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Steve,
Ken's engine is 134 cid vs 200 on a Ford. His primary way to get more power from
the engine is get more mass of air and fuel through it by turning more rpm.
Engines experience their peak volumetric efficiency at the torque peak by definition.
If Ken is below the torque peak, his engine will actually be more efficient
if it speeds up. -ww.
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| Subject: | Turtle Deck Suppport |
Where the top of the back seat and the turtle deck support meet, has me confused.
I looked at some pictures on westcoastpiet and see that some of you have elected
to make this joint flush and others have an offset here. It does appear
to me that some additional (not in plans?) support is needed to tie these two
components together.
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John Francis
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There is no doubt, Ray. I owe you a visitor two!
Gary Boothe
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray
Krause
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More Smoke
Beautiful, Gary, thanks! Why don't you come over to Colusa, sometime?
Maybe as the weather cools, we will have better opportunities. It would
be fun to have such a nice plane land here.
Ray
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 1, 2014, at 9:31 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
A great evening for flying! Temp in the mid 90=99sno
wind! This was a =C2=BD & =C2=BD mixture of ATF and baby oil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z7banO07qU
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&feature=youtu.be
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| Subject: | Re: catching on Gary----it's catching on...... |
Does he have to polish the Luscombe after each smoke job?
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 2, 2014, at 11:59 AM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners,
LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
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> Great work Gary Boothe in getting your smoke system working. Your video a
re fantastic and thanks for taking us along for the ride. Here are a few
> others who are also having fun vaporizing the daylights out of various oil
s. A shiney Luscombe and a few others at the Antique Airplane Associati
on Fly In
> at Ottumwa, Iowa this past weekend.
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| Subject: | Re: Used Pietenpol plans |
He is more gracious than most design holder. Certainly more than I would b
e=2C but nonetheless I would question a person's character who would not pu
rchase plans from the design holder just to save a couple bucks on a $10=2C
000+ airplane. This is no reflection on you...well a little=2C but on the p
urchaser. Andrew deserves the money as without him there would be no more
Piet plans.
Doug Dever
=0A
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
> From: dlplett@swko.net
> Date: Mon=2C 1 Sep 2014 11:18:05 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> >From Andrew Pietenpol.
>
> --------
> Dan Plett
> N28WH
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| Subject: | Re: Evening flight |
Hi Ray,
I need four pieces 6 inches long. If you have that many I will gladly buy t
hem from you.
Jim
=C2-
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| Subject: | Re: Red Bull Air Races |
Boothe has the smoke down. 8)
--------
Dan Plett
N28WH
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429880#429880
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| Subject: | Re: Red Bull Air Races |
Ha! Red Bull, here I come!!
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 2, 2014, at 4:59 PM, "Dan P" <dlplett@swko.net> wrote:
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> Boothe has the smoke down. 8)
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> Dan Plett
> N28WH
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| Subject: | Re: Used Pietenpol plans |
Yes and the way you people carry on with his grandfathers design your lucky he
still sells the blueprints .
Regards: Bill Budgell
Cap Aviation Supplies
________________________________
From: Doug <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 6:50:56 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
He is more gracious than most design holder. Certainly more than I would be, but
nonetheless I would question a person's character who would not purchase plans
from the design holder just to save a couple bucks on a $10,000+ airplane.
This is no reflection on you...well a little, but on the purchaser. Andrew deserves
the money as without him there would be no more Piet plans.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
> From: dlplett@swko.net
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:18:05 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> >From Andrew Pietenpol.
>
> --------
> Dan Plett
> N28WH
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Used Pietenpol plans |
"you people"?
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Budgell
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
Yes and the way you people carry on with his grandfathers design your lucky
he still sells the blueprints .
Regards: Bill Budgell
Cap Aviation Supplies
From: Doug <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 6:50:56 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
He is more gracious than most design holder. Certainly more than I would
be, but nonetheless I would question a person's character who would not
purchase plans from the design holder just to save a couple bucks on a
$10,000+ airplane. This is no reflection on you...well a little, but on the
purchaser. Andrew deserves the money as without him there would be no more
Piet plans.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
> From: dlplett@swko.net
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:18:05 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> >From Andrew Pietenpol.
>
> --------
> Dan Plett
> N28WH
>
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>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429778#429778
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| Subject: | Re: Used Pietenpol plans |
Last time I heard "you people",Archie Bunker said it. Mr. Pietenpol gave hi
s permission to sell the used set of plans. Get over it. Next topic please.
I would love to hear more about deck angle.
This is a wonderful group of minds which has contributed greatly to my kn
owledge. Thank you all
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 2, 2014, at 6:09 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> =9Cyou people=9D?
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Budgell
> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 5:52 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
>
> Yes and the way you people carry on with his grandfathers design your luck
y he still sells the blueprints .
>
> Regards: Bill Budgell
>
> Cap Aviation Supplies
>
> From: Doug <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com>
> To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 6:50:56 PM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
>
> He is more gracious than most design holder. Certainly more than I would b
e, but nonetheless I would question a person's character who would not purch
ase plans from the design holder just to save a couple bucks on a $10,000+ a
irplane. This is no reflection on you...well a little, but on the purchaser.
Andrew deserves the money as without him there would be no more Piet plans
.
>
> Doug Dever
> In beautiful Stow Ohio
>
>
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
> > From: dlplett@swko.net
> > Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:18:05 -0700
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > >=46rom Andrew Pietenpol.
> >
> > --------
> > Dan Plett
> > N28WH
> >
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> > Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Tool stock planned 19-22 February. |
Any interest here? Want as many Piet or airplane folks as possible. Should have
mine avail for rides as much as possible.
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Evening flight |
Jim,
I will measure tomorrow and let you know, I may be short on a couple.
Do you have your plane all covered, now? Or are you just getting to the rigg
ing? I will bet it is absolutely beautiful.
Tomorrow,
Ray
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 2, 2014, at 4:42 PM, Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Hi Ray,
>
> I need four pieces 6 inches long. If you have that many I will gladly buy t
hem from you.
>
> Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Evening flight |
Hi Ray,
No I have to mount the pitot tube and have to make a L bracket to mount it.
That is what I will be working on tomorrow. I also have to order about 18
feet of 1/4 inch Nylon II tubing for the pitot/static tube. Then the wings
are ready to cover. I only have everything primed right now so when wings a
re covered and primed then it is time for color coats.
=C2-
If any of your pieces of aluminium are at least 4 1/2 inches or longer that
will work too.
Thanks,
Jim
=C2-
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| Subject: | Re: Used Pietenpol plans |
Yes you people ....( not you as the person) I know you are defending Andrew
Pietenpol ....the forum doesn't seem to do a lot of helping new builders
plus all they do is re-engineer the Pietenpol why do think Andrew Pietenpol
isn't on the site ... yet he still cares but he's not there anymore and th
e guy that sells the hinges that vi kapler use to sell because these guys
cant be told anything..... they load factors type of material etc.... what
crap I have 600hrs. on kaplers hinges no problem. =0A=0AThe forum people do
n't even know what AC43 manual is.... and come up with BS on what they thi
nk they know but in reality they know nothing... there some good people on
there but I can see anyone with common sense that makes a statement these p
eople don't listen.... and they pass there BS on to people that don't know
better to walk away. =0A=0AThe chatter is stupid I have made a lot of goo
d friends from the site but most have left for exactly this reason ..... wh
y don't you pass this on to the forum and lets see the BS come back on this
.=0A=0AHalf of what these people say is wrong and half of what they tell ne
w builders is incorrect this is a simple aircraft to build. and was designe
d by a good man that had more common sense in his baby finger than what I
see in this hole forum. =0A=0AIt seems that the new way in aviation and in
homebuilding is to spoon feed this new breed..... on every little item If
the forum wants to really back the Pietenpol Aircraft then do Andrew Pieten
pol the honor of building the plane as per plans and stop the over building
and analyzing every dam thing.... and spread some common sense around on t
he forum.=0A=0AI have never seen so much indecision on the building like I
have on this forum I can go back in the archives and find good information
up to a point .... then from that point you can read the BS from the new ag
e.... so called know it all's.... It time someone spoke up here... its time
to get back to correct advise to new builders that is backed up and not BS
. =0A=0ARegards: Bill Budgell AME. Canada=0A=0ACap Aviation Supplies=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comca
st.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, September 2, 2
014 9:09:13 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A
=0A=0A=0A=9Cyou people=9D?=0A =0AGary Boothe=0ANX308MB=0A =0AFr
om:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-s
erver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Budgell=0ASent: Tuesday, September 0
2, 2014 5:52 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol
-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A =0AYes and the way you people carry on w
ith his grandfathers design your lucky he still sells the blueprints .=0A
=0ARegards: Bill Budgell=0A =0ACap Aviation Supplies=0A =0AFrom:Doug <chi
efpepperhead@hotmail.com>=0ATo: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-l
ist@matronics.com> =0ASent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 6:50:56 PM=0ASubject
: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A =0AHe is more gracious th
an most design holder. Certainly more than I would be, but nonetheless I w
ould question a person's character who would not purchase plans from the de
sign holder just to save a couple bucks on a $10,000+ airplane. This is no
reflection on you...well a little, but on the purchaser. Andrew deserves t
he money as without him there would be no more Piet plans.=0A=0ADoug Dever
=0AIn beautiful Stow Ohio=0A=0A=0A> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Piete
npol plans=0A> From: dlplett@swko.net=0A> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:18:05 -0
700=0A> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A> =0A> --> Pietenpol-List messag
e posted by: "Dan P" <dlplett@swko.net>=0A> =0A> >From Andrew Pietenpol.=0A
> =0A> --------=0A> Dan Plett=0A> N28WH=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Read this t
opic online here:=0A> =0A> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=42
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tronics.com/files/image_670.jpg=0A& Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse
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| Subject: | Re: Evening flight |
Then I think I will have you covered!
Ray
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 2, 2014, at 7:40 PM, Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Ray,
> No I have to mount the pitot tube and have to make a L bracket to mount it
. That is what I will be working on tomorrow. I also have to order about 18 f
eet of 1/4 inch Nylon II tubing for the pitot/static tube. Then the wings ar
e ready to cover. I only have everything primed right now so when wings are c
overed and primed then it is time for color coats.
>
> If any of your pieces of aluminium are at least 4 1/2 inches or longer tha
t will work too.
> Thanks,
> Jim
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: W & B, CG, and LG location question |
Grant:
Here is a game plan in two parts, phase one we will rough it in the ball park,
and part two we can do a sharp calculation adjusted for your plane. This path
for using the W&B data we collected is basically the same no matter which engine
or fuselage length a builder selects.
1) Pick a plane with the same engine and fuselage length, and similar configuration;
In your case, lets look at the Corvair section of the articles Ryan and
I produced. There are 4 planes in the table.
Plane #1 is Randy Bush's 500 hr Piet : http://flycorvair.net/2013/07/11/randy-bushs-pietenpol-hits-500-hours/ note that his maximum pilot weight is 178 pounds, well below your target.
Plane #2 is one of the steel tube Big Piets from GA, it is built differently than
your plane, so it is not a good starting point.
Plane #3 Is Kevin Purtee's Piet: http://flycorvair.net/2012/10/25/guest-writer-pietenpol-builderflyer-kevin-purtee/ note that it is in CG with any pilot from 151 to 310 pounds. This is your target.
Plane #4 is the uncovered project that becomes the French Valley Piet: http://flycorvair.net/2013/01/08/new-pietenpol-eaa-1279-french-valley-ca/ Their plane was unfinished and doesn't have complete data for you, but I know from following the finished project they do not have the plane in a configuration to carry a pilot much over 170 pounds.
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So Focusing in on Plane #3, What are the major differences with your plane? You
mentioned your fuselage being 2" longer in the front bay, (this is an easy calculation
to adjust) but lets check some other points: Kevin's Length from the
prop flange to the firewall is 33" (MML), I need to know is your plane is different.
Second, Kevin's plane had the top of the pilot seat back, on the front
face where it met the longeron, 76.5" from the firewall (PSL). Theoretically
your plane with the two extra inches in the fuselage front bay will be 78.5",
please measure this and confirm it.
Kevin's plane had the leading edge of the wing 12.6" behind the firewall (WL).
Note that it also had the main landing gear axle 5.5" behind the Leading edge
(MGL), or 18.1" behind his firewall. As we go through this, you may get a better
picture of why Ryan and I settled on the describing the W&B in the terms we
did, as it helps to clarify comparisons between planes and assists in calculations.
Let me know the two items above, your MML and your PSL and we will go on to the
next step.
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| Subject: | Re: Used Pietenpol plans |
Food for thought:
If a plane was built, or the major portion of a plane was built from a set of plans,
it seems to me the plans would go with the plane. A second owner of a finished
plane not getting the plans is akin to a guy buying a certified airplane
but not picking up the log books. The most important thing in a set of logs
is not maintenance, it is what makes that individual plane different than others
(337s, W&B, options). Since every homebuilt is one of a kind, the plans it
was built from are a very important part of the records. Second owners of home
builts have an atrocious safety record that is a major threat to our freedom
to build. That's not an opinion, I have sat in on kit industry meetings where
Feds have directly said this.
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Good reason #1 to buy new plans from the legitimate source: Access to all the data.
Many of the people we worked with on the W&B project didn't get their plans
from Don Pietenpol, and thus they could never ask "Is there a W&B sheet?" which
there was, available from Don for the asking, which also contained the vital
modern landing gear location. I bought my plans from Don in 1989 and got this
information with the plans set. People who chose to get plans from other sources
missed it and blindly built themselves into a CG corner. Many cheap builders
think that everything they need to know can be found on the net. We have
plenty of evidence that this isn't actually true, and access to any support from
a good source is well worth buying.
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I read Andrew's reply and to me it said "One set of plans, one plane". I am not
so sure he understood that the plans had been used to already produce one plane?
Many people think that one plane from a set of plans. Consider this instead:
One set of support and education from one set of plans, which I think of as
even more fair. If four guys successively own the same set of plans, and each
of them utilizes many hours of the providers time to learn a lot about building,
I think they are abusing the system. If a designer teaches a guy a lot about
building, say 10 hours of email and phone calls, then he earned minimum wage
teaching that guy something about planes, and it isn't fair if the 2nd, 3rd
and fourth guy get to reduce this to 1/4 min wage.
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The next time at anyone is at Oshkosh, and you hear people complaining that they
whole focus is on products for the wealthy, remember this topic, and understand
that there would be many more plans built options for working guys if rank
and file homebuilders just bought plans from the people that worked to develop
them and provide support for the designs. I personally know kit designers who
will not sell plans solely for this reason. You can go all the way back to the
1950s, and no one should have bought Cougar plans, but they did because Wittman
asked a fair price for his Tailwind plans and the support he gave. Cheap
people saved $100 on plans and got the lesser plane by a long shot.
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PS to Bill Budgell: When you are mad at people, call them out by name, it works
better than using terms like "you people." General terms cause the very kind
of negativity you don't like, and don't explain what it is you object to. If
you think that I personally am harming Piet building, please say so. The verbal
rifle bullet makes a better point that the verbal car bomb, and spares the collateral
damage to the people you didn't want to include in "you people."
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