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1. 12:41 AM - Re: Turtle Deck Suppport (CatDesigns)
2. 03:41 AM - Re: Re: Used Pietenpol plans (danhelsper@aol.com)
3. 06:00 AM - Re: Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Doug)
4. 06:32 AM - Re: Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Gary Boothe)
5. 06:39 AM - seat back (Douwe Blumberg)
6. 06:42 AM - rants (Douwe Blumberg)
7. 06:46 AM - Thanks Scot! (Douwe Blumberg)
8. 06:48 AM - Re: Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Doug)
9. 07:03 AM - Re: Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Bill Budgell)
10. 07:17 AM - Re: Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Ryan Mueller)
11. 07:22 AM - Re: Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Kip Gardner)
12. 07:33 AM - Re: seat back (john francis)
13. 07:42 AM - Re: Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Bill Budgell)
14. 07:43 AM - Re: Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Doug)
15. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Bill Budgell)
16. 08:07 AM - Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Dan P)
17. 09:01 AM - Re: Turtle Deck Suppport (larharris2 Harris)
18. 09:29 AM - Re: 12 rebuildable Corvair engines 20 miles from B-head ()
19. 10:35 AM - Re: 12 rebuildable Corvair engines 20 miles from B-head (bdewenter)
20. 10:39 AM - Re: Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Doug)
21. 10:41 AM - Re: Tool stock planned 19-22 February. (bdewenter)
22. 11:36 AM - Re: Re: Tool stock planned 19-22 February. (larharris2 Harris)
23. 11:42 AM - Re: Tool stock planned 19-22 February. (tools)
24. 11:46 AM - Re: Tool stock planned 19-22 February. (tools)
25. 01:39 PM - Re: rants (gsnewsome)
26. 05:03 PM - Anybody move the inboard rib slightly outboard....?!!?!? (aerocarjake)
27. 05:14 PM - Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Dan P)
28. 06:04 PM - Re: Anybody move the inboard rib slightly outboard....?!!?!? (Bill Church)
29. 06:25 PM - Re: Anybody move the inboard rib slightly outboard....?!!?!? (aerocarjake)
30. 07:31 PM - Re: Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Doug)
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| Subject: | Turtle Deck Suppport |
John
The rear seat headrest/ turtle deck support glues to the back of the cross
brace forming the top of the seat. You don't need additional support. The
support comes from the stringers on the turtle deck and make very ridged. If
you glue it to the back of the of the upper cross brace it will give you
room to run cockpit padding along the rear head rest.
I made mine flush with the front of the seat because I'm tall and when I
sat in the seat as shown on the plans the top cut me across my shoulder
blades which was uncomfortable. With it on the front of the cross brace it
was more comfortable for my size. However I do not have the space for
running and padding around the rear headrest.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestcoastPiet.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john francis
Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 12:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Suppport
--> <Mrkringles@msn.com>
Where the top of the back seat and the turtle deck support meet, has me
confused. I looked at some pictures on westcoastpiet and see that some of
you have elected to make this joint flush and others have an offset here.
It does appear to me that some additional (not in plans?) support is needed
to tie these two components together.
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: Used Pietenpol plans |
Gee Bill, I am sure glad you are on here now, so that
we can start getting good advice again.=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0ALoen
sloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom:
Bill Budgell <capaviation1@rogers.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-l
ist@matronics.com>=0ASent: Tue, Sep 2, 2014 9:47 pm=0ASubject: Re:
Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A=0A=0A=0AYes you peopl
e ....( not you as the person) I know you are defending
Andrew Pietenpol ....the forum doesn't seem to do a lot o
f helping new builders plus all they do is re-engineer the
Pietenpol why do think Andrew Pietenpol isn't on the site ..
. yet he still cares but he's not there anymore and the
guy that sells the hinges that vi kapler use to sell be
cause these guys cant be told anything..... they load factors
type of material etc.... what crap I have 600hrs. on kaplers
hinges no problem. =0A=0A=0AThe forum people don't even know
what AC43 manual is.... and come up with BS on what the
y think they know but in reality they know nothing... there
some good people on there but I can see anyone with common
sense that makes a statement these people don't listen....
and they pass there BS on to people that don't know better
to walk away. =0A=0A=0AThe chatter is stupid I have m
ade a lot of good friends from the site but most have le
ft for exactly this reason ..... why don't you pass this o
n to the forum and lets see the BS come back on this.=0A
=0A=0AHalf of what these people say is wrong and half of w
hat they tell new builders is incorrect this is a simple a
ircraft to build. and was designed by a good man that h
ad more common sense in his baby finger than what I see
in this hole forum. =0A=0A=0AIt seems that the new way in
aviation and in homebuilding is to spoon feed this new breed
..... on every little item If the forum wants to really
back the Pietenpol Aircraft then do Andrew Pietenpol the honor
of building the plane as per plans and stop the over bu
ilding and analyzing every dam thing.... and spread some commo
n sense around on the forum.=0A=0A=0AI have never seen so mu
ch indecision on the building like I have on this forum I
can go back in the archives and find good information up t
o a point .... then from that point you can read the BS
from the new age.... so called know it all's.... It time s
omeone spoke up here... its time to get back to correct ad
vise to new builders that is backed up and not BS. =0A=0A
=0ARegards: Bill Budgell AME. Canada=0A =0ACap Aviation S
upplies=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A From: Gary Boothe <gbo
othe5@comcast.net>=0A To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0A Sent: Tuesd
ay, September 2, 2014 9:09:13 PM=0A Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List:
Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=9Cyou peopl
e=9D?=0A =0A=0AGary Boothe=0ANX308MB=0A=0A =0A=0AFrom: owner
-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matro
nics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Budgell=0ASent: Tuesday, September 0
2, 2014 5:52 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pi
etenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A=0A =0A=0AYes and the
way you people carry on with his grandfathers design your lu
cky he still sells the blueprints .=0A=0A =0A=0ARegards: B
ill Budgell=0A=0A =0A=0ACap Aviation Supplies=0A=0A =0A=0A=0AFrom:
Doug <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com>=0ATo: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <p
ietenpol-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 6:5
0:56 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A
=0A =0A=0A=0AHe is more gracious than most design holder.
Certainly more than I would be, but nonetheless I would ques
tion a person's character who would not purchase plans from
the design holder just to save a couple bucks on a $10,000
+ airplane. This is no reflection on you...well a little, bu
t on the purchaser. Andrew deserves the money as without
him there would be no more Piet plans.=0A=0ADoug Dever=0AIn be
autiful Stow Ohio=0A=0A=0A=0A> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used P
ietenpol plans=0A> From: dlplett@swko.net=0A> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2
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| Subject: | Re: Used Pietenpol plans |
I certainly hope it wasn't me who peed in your Wheaties.
Doug Dever
=0A
In beautiful Stow Ohio
From: capaviation1@rogers.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
Yes you people ....( not you as the person) I know you are defending Andrew
Pietenpol ....the forum doesn't seem to do a lot of helping new builders
plus all they do is re-engineer the Pietenpol why do think Andrew Pietenpol
isn't on the site ... yet he still cares but he's not there anymore and th
e guy that sells the hinges that vi kapler use to sell because these guys
cant be told anything..... they load factors type of material etc.... what
crap I have 600hrs. on kaplers hinges no problem.
The forum people don't even know what AC43 manual is.... and come up with
BS on what they think they know but in reality they know nothing... there s
ome good people on there but I can see anyone with common sense that makes
a statement these people don't listen.... and they pass there BS on to peop
le that don't know better to walk away.
The=0A
chatter is stupid I have made a lot of good friends from the site but mos
t have left for exactly this reason ..... why don't you pass this on to the
forum and lets see the BS come back on this.
Half of what these people say is wrong and half of what they tell new build
ers is incorrect this is a simple aircraft to build. and was designed by a
good man that had more common sense in his baby finger than what I see in
this hole forum.
It seems that the new way in aviation and in homebuilding is to spoon feed
this new breed..... on every little item If the forum wants to really back
the Pietenpol Aircraft then do Andrew Pietenpol the honor of building the
plane as per plans and stop the over building and analyzing every dam thing
.... and spread some common sense around on the forum.
I have never seen so much indecision on the building like I have on this fo
rum I can go back in the archives and find good information up to a point .
... then from that point you can read the BS from the new age.... so called
know it all's.... It time someone spoke up here... its time to get back to
correct advise to new builders that is backed up and not BS. Regards:
Bill Budgell AME. Canada Cap Aviation Supplies
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday=2C September 2=2C 2014 9:09:13 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
=93you people=94? Gary BootheNX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@ma
tronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Bill Budgell
Sent: Tuesday=2C September 02=2C 2014 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans Yes and the way you
people carry on with his grandfathers design your lucky he still sells the
blueprints=0A
. Regards: Bill Budgell Cap Aviation Supplies From: Doug <chiefpepperhe
ad@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday=2C September 2=2C 2014 6:50:56 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans He is more gracious
than most design holder. Certainly more than I would be=2C but nonetheless
I would question a person's character who would not purchase plans from th
e design holder just to save a couple bucks on a $10=2C000+ airplane. This
is no reflection on you...well a little=2C but on the purchaser. Andrew de
serves the money as without him there would be no more Piet plans.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
> From: dlplett@swko.net
> Date: Mon=2C 1 Sep 2014 11:18:05 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> >From Andrew Pietenpol.
>
> --------
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Don't lose any sleep, Doug. Isn't it curious that Mr. Budgell has never
posted on this forum (at least, not for several years), and, for his first
post, he chooses to rage against all those who offer no guidance, faulty
guidance, yet he has offered nothing after flying his Piet for 600 hrs!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 6:00 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
I certainly hope it wasn't me who peed in your Wheaties.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
_____
From: capaviation1@rogers.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
Yes you people ....( not you as the person) I know you are defending Andrew
Pietenpol ....the forum doesn't seem to do a lot of helping new builders
plus all they do is re-engineer the Pietenpol why do think Andrew Pietenpol
isn't on the site ... yet he still cares but he's not there anymore and the
guy that sells the hinges that vi kapler use to sell because these guys
cant be told anything..... they load factors type of material etc.... what
crap I have 600hrs. on kaplers hinges no problem.
The forum people don't even know what AC43 manual is.... and come up with
BS on what they think they know but in reality they know nothing... there
some good people on there but I can see anyone with common sense that makes
a statement these people don't listen.... and they pass there BS on to
people that don't know better to walk away.
The chatter is stupid I have made a lot of good friends from the site but
most have left for exactly this reason ..... why don't you pass this on to
the forum and lets see the BS come back on this.
Half of what these people say is wrong and half of what they tell new
builders is incorrect this is a simple aircraft to build. and was designed
by a good man that had more common sense in his baby finger than what I see
in this hole forum.
It seems that the new way in aviation and in homebuilding is to spoon feed
this new breed..... on every little item If the forum wants to really back
the Pietenpol Aircraft then do Andrew Pietenpol the honor of building the
plane as per plans and stop the over building and analyzing every dam
thing.... and spread some common sense around on the forum.
I have never seen so much indecision on the building like I have on this
forum I can go back in the archives and find good information up to a point
.... then from that point you can read the BS from the new age.... so called
know it all's.... It time someone spoke up here... its time to get back to
correct advise to new builders that is backed up and not BS.
Regards: Bill Budgell AME. Canada
Cap Aviation Supplies
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 9:09:13 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
"you people"?
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Budgell
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
Yes and the way you people carry on with his grandfathers design your lucky
he still sells the blueprints .
Regards: Bill Budgell
Cap Aviation Supplies
From: Doug <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 6:50:56 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
He is more gracious than most design holder. Certainly more than I would
be, but nonetheless I would question a person's character who would not
purchase plans from the design holder just to save a couple bucks on a
$10,000+ airplane. This is no reflection on you...well a little, but on the
purchaser. Andrew deserves the money as without him there would be no more
Piet plans.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
> From: dlplett@swko.net
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:18:05 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> >From Andrew Pietenpol.
>
> --------
> Dan Plett
> N28WH
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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Hey John,
I'm not completely sure what your question is regarding the seatback
bulkhead/turtledeck attachment. I know mine has a 1" recess from the face
of the bulkhead to the face of the turtledeck ply.
Douwe
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Hey all,
I think Bill's "rant" is a great opportunity for us all to practice the
restraint and common sense that we've been needing to bring back recently.
I would suggest that when someone goes off "on a tear" like this that we
just ignore it and if you absolutely can't let it pass, or if you're called
our personally, simply email the "ranter" directly so we keep the list Piet
building related and not get sucked into side issues like personalities,
building approaches, etc.
Just let it pass, let it pass.
$.02
Douwe
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Scot, thanks so much for the great pic of my daughter with Re-PIET!! It's
the best I have and is my new screen saver.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Used Pietenpol plans |
Oh I'm certainly not Gary. That's why my statement was short=2C to the poi
nt=2C and with a hint of sarcasm. :)
DO NOT ARCHIVE this ridiculousness.
Doug Dever
=0A
In beautiful Stow Ohio
From: gboothe5@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
Don=92t lose any sleep=2C Doug. Isn=92t it curious that Mr. Budgell has nev
er posted on this forum (at least=2C not for several years)=2C and=2C for h
is first post=2C he chooses to rage against all those who offer no guidance
=2C faulty guidance=2C yet he has offered nothing after flying his Piet for
600 hrs! Gary BootheNX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.co
m [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug
Sent: Wednesday=2C September 03=2C 2014 6:00 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans I certainly hope it w
asn't me who peed in your Wheaties.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
From: capaviation1@rogers.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
I know you are defending Andrew Pietenpol ....the forum doesn't seem to d
o a lot of helping new builders plus all they do is re-engineer the Pietenp
ol why do think Andrew Pietenpol isn't on the site ... yet he still cares b
ut he's not there anymore and the guy that sells the hinges that vi kapler
use to sell because these guys cant be told anything..... they load factor
s type of material etc.... what crap I have 600hrs. on kaplers hinges no pr
oblem. The forum people don't even know what AC43 manual is.... and come
up with BS on what they think they know but in reality they know nothing...
there some good people on there but I can see anyone with common sense tha
t makes a statement these people don't listen.... and they pass there BS on
to people that don't know better to walk away. The chatter is stupid I
have made a lot of good friends from the site but most have left for exactl
y this reason ..... why don't you pass this on to the forum and lets see th
e BS come back on this. Half of what these people say is wrong and half of
what they tell new builders is incorrect this is a simple aircraft to build
. and was designed by a good man that had more common sense in his baby fi
nger than what I see in this hole forum. It seems that the new way in avia
tion and in homebuilding is to spoon feed this new breed..... on every litt
le item If the forum wants to really back the Pietenpol Aircraft then do A
ndrew Pietenpol the honor of building the plane as per plans and stop the o
ver building and analyzing every dam thing.... and spread some common sense
around on the forum. I have never seen so much indecision on the building
like I have on this forum I can go back in the archives and find good infor
mation up to a point .... then from that point you can read the BS from the
new age.... so called know it all's.... It time someone spoke up here... i
ts time to get back to correct advise to new builders that is backed up and
not BS. Regards: Bill Budgell AME. Canada Cap Aviation Supplies From:
Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday=2C September 2=2C 2014 9:09:13 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans =93you people=94? Gar
y BootheNX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:own
er-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Budgell
Sent: Tuesday=2C September 02=2C 2014 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans Yes and the way you p
eople carry on with his grandfathers design your lucky he still sells the b
lueprints . Regards: Bill Budgell Cap Aviation Supplies From: Doug <chief
pepperhead@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday=2C September 2=2C 2014 6:50:56 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans He is more gracious t
han most design holder. Certainly more than I would be=2C but nonetheless
I would question a person's character who would not purchase plans from the
design holder just to save a couple bucks on a $10=2C000+ airplane. This i
s no reflection on you...well a little=2C but on the purchaser. Andrew des
erves the money as without him there would be no more Piet plans.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
> From: dlplett@swko.net
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Just the response I thought there would be..... you guys always have to out
do each other ...... as long as your all.... right.=0A=0Aas I read on the
forum once ..... if the new people don't agree with us ...... we will ignor
e them and they will go away.=0A=0AThe one thing about know it all's......
like this forum is you cant tell them nothing.=0A=0AOh Gary Boothe if tha
t's all you can reply you have just proved my point ..... you really don't
have anything to say or come back with of anything intelligent.... you onl
y read what you want to read.=0A=0ANow you little boys play nice in the san
d box..... while the real men vacate this forum and move on to a non spoon
feeding forum. =0A=0ARegards: Bill Budgell=0A=0ACap Aviation Supplies=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comc
ast.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, September 3
, 2014 9:29:54 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
=0A =0A=0A=0ADon=99t lose any sleep, Doug. Isn=99t it curious
that Mr. Budgell has never posted on this forum (at least, not for several
years), and, for his first post, he chooses to rage against all those who o
ffer no guidance, faulty guidance, yet he has offered nothing after flying
his Piet for 600 hrs!=0A =0AGary Boothe=0ANX308MB=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpo
l-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.c
om] On Behalf Of Doug=0ASent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 6:00 AM=0ATo: p
ietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenp
ol plans=0A =0AI certainly hope it wasn't me who peed in your Wheaties.=0A
=0ADoug Dever=0AIn beautiful Stow Ohio=0A=0A=0A=0A_________________________
_______=0A=0ADate: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 19:47:01 -0700=0AFrom: capaviation1@roge
rs.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0ATo: pieten
pol-list@matronics.com=0AYes you people ....( not you as the person) I know
you are defending Andrew Pietenpol ....the forum doesn't seem to do a lot
of helping new builders plus all they do is re-engineer the Pietenpol why
do think Andrew Pietenpol isn't on the site ... yet he still cares but he's
not there anymore and the guy that sells the hinges that vi kapler use to
sell because these guys cant be told anything..... they load factors type
of material etc.... what crap I have 600hrs. on kaplers hinges no problem.
=0A =0AThe forum people don't even know what AC43 manual is.... and come u
p with BS on what they think they know but in reality they know nothing...
there some good people on there but I can see anyone with common sense that
makes a statement these people don't listen.... and they pass there BS on
to people that don't know better to walk away. =0A =0AThe chatter is stup
id I have made a lot of good friends from the site but most have left for e
xactly this reason ..... why don't you pass this on to the forum and lets s
ee the BS come back on this.=0A =0AHalf of what these people say is wrong a
nd half of what they tell new builders is incorrect this is a simple aircra
ft to build. and was designed by a good man that had more common sense in
his baby finger than what I see in this hole forum. =0A =0AIt seems that th
e new way in aviation and in homebuilding is to spoon feed this new breed..
... on every little item If the forum wants to really back the Pietenpol A
ircraft then do Andrew Pietenpol the honor of building the plane as per pla
ns and stop the over building and analyzing every dam thing.... and spread
some common sense around on the forum.=0A =0AI have never seen so much inde
cision on the building like I have on this forum I can go back in the archi
ves and find good information up to a point .... then from that point you c
an read the BS from the new age.... so called know it all's.... It time som
eone spoke up here... its time to get back to correct advise to new builder
s that is backed up and not BS. =0A =0ARegards: Bill Budgell AME. Canada
=0A =0ACap Aviation Supplies=0A =0AFrom:Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 9:0
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PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: U
sed Pietenpol plans=0A =0AYes and the way you people carry on with his gran
dfathers design your lucky he still sells the blueprints .=0A =0ARegards:
Bill Budgell=0A =0ACap Aviation Supplies=0A =0AFrom:Doug <chiefpepperhead@
hotmail.com>=0ATo: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics
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you...well a little, but on the purchaser. Andrew deserves the money as w
ithout him there would be no more Piet plans.=0A=0ADoug Dever=0AIn beautifu
l Stow Ohio=0A> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A> From:
dlplett@swko.net=0A> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:18:05 -0700=0A> To: pietenpo
<dlplett@swko.net>=0A> =0A> >From Andrew Pietenpol.=0A> =0A> --------=0A>
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We salute you, real men.....don't let the door hit you in the ass on the
way out
do not archive
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On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Bill Budgell <capaviation1@rogers.com>
wrote:
> Now you little boys play nice in the sand box..... while the real men
> vacate this forum and move on to a non spoon feeding forum.
>
> Regards: Bill Budgell
>
> Cap Aviation Supplies
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| Subject: | Re: Used Pietenpol plans |
Wow, haven't seen anything like that since "The Fisherman" (he of Home
Depot lumber and Elmer's glue) told everyone off. I hope it makes him
feel better.
On Sep 3, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Bill Budgell wrote:
> Just the response I thought there would be..... you guys always have
to out do each other ...... as long as your all.... right.
>
> as I read on the forum once ..... if the new people don't agree with
us ...... we will ignore them and they will go away.
>
> The one thing about know it all's...... like this forum is you cant
tell them nothing.
>
> Oh Gary Boothe if that's all you can reply you have just proved my
point ..... you really don't have anything to say or come back with of
anything intelligent.... you only read what you want to read.
>
> Now you little boys play nice in the sand box..... while the real men
vacate this forum and move on to a non spoon feeding forum.
>
> Regards: Bill Budgell
>
> Cap Aviation Supplies
>
> From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2014 9:29:54 AM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
>
> Don=92t lose any sleep, Doug. Isn=92t it curious that Mr. Budgell has
never posted on this forum (at least, not for several years), and, for
his first post, he chooses to rage against all those who offer no
guidance, faulty guidance, yet he has offered nothing after flying his
Piet for 600 hrs!
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug
> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 6:00 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
>
> I certainly hope it wasn't me who peed in your Wheaties.
>
> Doug Dever
> In beautiful Stow Ohio
>
> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 19:47:01 -0700
> From: capaviation1@rogers.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Yes you people ....( not you as the person) I know you are defending
Andrew Pietenpol ....the forum doesn't seem to do a lot of helping new
builders plus all they do is re-engineer the Pietenpol why do think
Andrew Pietenpol isn't on the site ... yet he still cares but he's not
there anymore and the guy that sells the hinges that vi kapler use to
sell because these guys cant be told anything..... they load factors
type of material etc.... what crap I have 600hrs. on kaplers hinges no
problem.
>
> The forum people don't even know what AC43 manual is.... and come up
with BS on what they think they know but in reality they know nothing...
there some good people on there but I can see anyone with common sense
that makes a statement these people don't listen.... and they pass there
BS on to people that don't know better to walk away.
>
> The chatter is stupid I have made a lot of good friends from the site
but most have left for exactly this reason ..... why don't you pass this
on to the forum and lets see the BS come back on this.
>
> Half of what these people say is wrong and half of what they tell new
builders is incorrect this is a simple aircraft to build. and was
designed by a good man that had more common sense in his baby finger
than what I see in this hole forum.
>
> It seems that the new way in aviation and in homebuilding is to spoon
feed this new breed..... on every little item If the forum wants to
really back the Pietenpol Aircraft then do Andrew Pietenpol the honor of
building the plane as per plans and stop the over building and analyzing
every dam thing.... and spread some common sense around on the forum.
>
> I have never seen so much indecision on the building like I have on
this forum I can go back in the archives and find good information up to
a point .... then from that point you can read the BS from the new
age.... so called know it all's.... It time someone spoke up here... its
time to get back to correct advise to new builders that is backed up and
not BS.
>
> Regards: Bill Budgell AME. Canada
>
> Cap Aviation Supplies
>
> From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 9:09:13 PM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
>
> =93you people=94?
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Budgell
> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 5:52 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
>
> Yes and the way you people carry on with his grandfathers design your
lucky he still sells the blueprints .
>
> Regards: Bill Budgell
>
> Cap Aviation Supplies
>
> From: Doug <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com>
> To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 6:50:56 PM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
>
> He is more gracious than most design holder. Certainly more than I
would be, but nonetheless I would question a person's character who
would not purchase plans from the design holder just to save a couple
bucks on a $10,000+ airplane. This is no reflection on you...well a
little, but on the purchaser. Andrew deserves the money as without him
there would be no more Piet plans.
>
> Doug Dever
> In beautiful Stow Ohio
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
> > From: dlplett@swko.net
> > Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:18:05 -0700
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > >=46rom Andrew Pietenpol.
> >
> > --------
> > Dan Plett
> > N28WH
> >
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> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
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I figured it out Douwe. Some have the offset like you and some do not.. I read
the plans as putting in the offset and Mike Cuy showed me his.
Thanks
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John Francis
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your comments make you all look good keep them coming=0A=0A=0ARegards: Bi
ll Budgell=0A=0ACap Aviation Supplies=0A =0A=0A____________________________
____=0A From: Kip Gardner <kipgohio1957@gmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@mat
ronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, September 3, 2014 10:20:43 AM=0ASubject: Re:
Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A =0A=0A=0AWow, haven't seen an
ything like that since "The Fisherman" (he of Home Depot lumber and Elmer's
glue) told everyone off. I hope it makes him feel better.=0A=0AOn Sep 3,
2014, at 10:03 AM, Bill Budgell wrote:=0A=0AJust the response I thought the
re would be..... you guys always have to out do each other ...... as long a
s your all.... right.=0A>=0A>=0A>as I read on the forum once ..... if the n
ew people don't agree with us ...... we will ignore them and they will go
away.=0A>=0A>=0A>The one thing about know it all's...... like this forum i
s you cant tell them nothing.=0A>=0A>=0A>Oh Gary Boothe if that's all you c
an reply you have just proved my point ..... you really don't have anything
to say or come back with of anything intelligent.... you only read what y
ou want to read.=0A>=0A>=0A>Now you little boys play nice in the sand box..
... while the real men vacate this forum and move on to a non spoon feeding
forum. =0A>=0A>Regards: Bill Budgell=0A>=0A>Cap Aviation Supplies=0A>
=0A> =0A>=0A>________________________________=0A> From: Gary Boothe <gbooth
e5@comcast.net>=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Wednesday, Se
ptember 3, 2014 9:29:54 AM=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenp
ol plans=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>Don=99t lose any sleep, Doug. Isn=99t
it curious that Mr. Budgell has never posted on this forum (at least, not
for several years), and, for his first post, he chooses to rage against all
those who offer no guidance, faulty guidance, yet he has offered nothing a
fter flying his Piet for 600 hrs!=0A> =0A>Gary Boothe=0A>NX308MB=0A> =0A>Fr
om:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-s
erver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug=0A>Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 20
14 6:00 AM=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-Li
st: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A> =0A>I certainly hope it wasn't me who peed
in your Wheaties.=0A>=0A>Doug Dever=0A>In beautiful Stow Ohio=0A>=0A>=0A>
=0A>________________________________=0A>=0A>Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 19:47:01
-0700=0A>From: capaviation1@rogers.com=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re:
Used Pietenpol=0A plans=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>Yes you peop
le ....( not you as the person) I know you are defending Andrew Pietenpol .
...the forum doesn't seem to do a lot of helping new builders plus all the
y do is re-engineer the Pietenpol why do think Andrew Pietenpol isn't on th
e site ... yet he still cares but he's not there anymore and the guy that s
ells the hinges that vi kapler use to sell because these guys cant be told
anything..... they load factors type of material etc.... what crap I have
600hrs. on kaplers hinges no problem. =0A> =0A>The forum people don't even
know what AC43 manual is.... and come up with BS on what they think they k
now but in reality they know nothing... there some good people on there but
I can see anyone with common sense that makes a statement these people don
't listen.... and they pass there BS on to people that don't know better to
walk away. =0A> =0A>The chatter is stupid I have made a lot of good frie
nds from the site but most have left for exactly this reason ..... why don'
t you pass this on to the forum and lets see the BS come back on this.=0A>
=0A>Half of what these people say is wrong and half of what they tell new b
uilders is incorrect this is a simple aircraft to build. and was designed
by a good man that had more common sense in his baby finger than what I see
in this hole forum. =0A> =0A>It seems that the new way in aviation and in
homebuilding is to spoon feed this new breed..... on every little item If
the forum wants to really back the Pietenpol Aircraft then do Andrew Pieten
pol the honor of building the plane as per plans and stop the over building
and analyzing every dam thing.... and spread some common sense around on t
he forum.=0A> =0A>I have never seen so much indecision on the building like
I have on this forum I can go back in the archives and find good informati
on up to a point .... then from that point you can read the BS from the new
age.... so called know it all's.... It time someone spoke up here... its t
ime to get back to correct advise to new builders that is backed up and not
BS. =0A> =0A>Regards: Bill Budgell AME. Canada=0A> =0A>Cap Aviation Sup
plies=0A> =0A>From:Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>=0A>To: pietenpol-list
@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 9:09:13 PM=0A>Subject:
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A> =0A>=9Cyou people
=9D?=0A> =0A>Gary Boothe=0A>NX308MB=0A> =0A>From:owner-pietenpol-list-se
rver@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Be
half Of Bill Budgell=0A>Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 5:52 PM=0A>To: pi
etenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenp
ol plans=0A> =0A>Yes and the way you people carry on with his grandfathers
design your lucky he still sells the blueprints .=0A> =0A>Regards: Bill B
udgell=0A> =0A>Cap Aviation Supplies=0A> =0A>From:Doug <chiefpepperhead@hot
mail.com>=0A>To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.c
om> =0A>Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 6:50:56 PM=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenp
ol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A> =0A>He is more gracious than most des
ign holder. Certainly more than I would be, but nonetheless I would questi
on a person's character who would not purchase plans from the design holder
just to save a couple bucks on a $10,000+ airplane. This is no reflection
on you...well a little, but on the purchaser. Andrew deserves the money as
without him there would be no more Piet plans.=0A>=0A>Doug Dever=0A>In bea
utiful Stow Ohio=0A>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A>
> From: dlplett@swko.net=0A>> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:18:05 -0700=0A>> To:
pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>> =0A>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
by: "Dan P" <dlplett@swko.net>=0A>> =0A>> >From Andrew Pietenpol.=0A>> =0A>
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| Subject: | Re: Used Pietenpol plans |
My dad always said=2C "If you can't say anything nice don't say anything a
t all." Never head him say a bad word about anyone. In this case I'm tot
ally at a loss for words.
do NOT archive.
Doug Dever
=0A
In beautiful Stow Ohio
From: kipgohio1957@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
Wow=2C haven't seen anything like that since "The Fisherman" (he of Home De
pot lumber and Elmer's glue) told everyone off. I hope it makes him feel b
etter.
On Sep 3=2C 2014=2C at 10:03 AM=2C Bill Budgell wrote:Just the response I t
hought there would be..... you guys always have to out do each other ......
as long as your all.... right.
as I read on the forum once ..... if the new people don't agree with us ...
... we will ignore them and they will go away.
The one thing about know it all's...... like this forum is you cant tell t
hem nothing.
Oh Gary Boothe if that's all you can reply you have just proved my point ..
... you really don't have anything to say or come back with of=0A
anything intelligent.... you only read what you want to read.
Now you little boys play nice in the sand box..... while the real men vacat
e this forum and move on to a non spoon feeding forum. Regards: Bill Bu
dgell Cap Aviation Supplies
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday=2C September 3=2C 2014 9:29:54 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
Don=92t lose any sleep=2C Doug. Isn=92t it curious that Mr. Budgell has nev
er posted on this forum (at least=2C not for several years)=2C and=2C for h
is first post=2C he chooses to rage against all those who offer no guidance
=2C faulty guidance=2C yet he has offered nothing after flying his Piet for
600 hrs! Gary BootheNX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.
com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug
Sent: Wednesday=2C September 03=2C 2014 6:00 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A
I certainly hope it wasn't me who peed in your Wheaties.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
From: capaviation1@rogers.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol=0A
plans
I know you are defending Andrew Pietenpol ....the forum doesn't seem to d
o a lot of helping new builders plus all they do is re-engineer the Pietenp
ol why do think Andrew Pietenpol isn't on the site ... yet he still cares b
ut he's not there anymore and the guy that sells the hinges that vi kapler
use to sell because these guys cant be told anything..... they load factor
s type of material etc.... what crap I have 600hrs. on kaplers hinges no pr
oblem. The forum people don't even know what AC43 manual is.... and come
up with BS on what they think they know but in reality they know nothing..
. there some good people on there but I can see anyone with common sense th
at makes a statement these people don't listen.... and they pass there BS o
n to people that don't know better to walk away. The chatter is stupid
I have made a lot of good friends from the site but most have left for exac
tly this reason ..... why don't you pass this on to the forum and lets see
the=0A
BS come back on this. Half of what these people say is wrong and half of
what they tell new builders is incorrect this is a simple aircraft to build
. and was designed by a good man that had more common sense in his baby fi
nger than what I see in this hole forum. It seems that the new way in avi
ation and in homebuilding is to spoon feed this new breed..... on every lit
tle item If the forum wants to=0A
really back the Pietenpol Aircraft then do Andrew Pietenpol the honor of b
uilding the plane as per plans and stop the over building and analyzing eve
ry dam thing.... and spread some common sense around on the forum. I have
never seen so much indecision on the building like I have on this forum I c
an go back in the archives and find good information up to a point .... the
n from that point you can read the BS from the new age.... so called know i
t all's.... It time someone spoke up here... its time to get back to correc
t advise to new builders that is backed up and not BS. Regards: Bill Bu
dgell AME. Canada Cap Aviation Supplies From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcas
t.net>
Sent: Tuesday=2C September 2=2C 2014 9:09:13 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans =93you people=94? Ga
ry BootheNX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:ow
ner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Budgell
Sent: Tuesday=2C September 02=2C 2014 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans Yes and the way you p
eople carry on with his grandfathers design your lucky he still sells the b
lueprints=0A
. Regards: Bill Budgell Cap Aviation Supplies From: Doug <chiefpepperhea
d@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday=2C September 2=2C 2014 6:50:56 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans He is more gracious t
han most design holder. Certainly more than I would be=2C but nonetheless
I would question a person's character who would not purchase plans from the
design holder just to save a couple bucks on a $10=2C000+ airplane. This i
s no reflection on you...well a little=2C but on the purchaser. Andrew des
erves the money as without him there would be no more Piet plans.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
> From: dlplett@swko.net
> Date: Mon=2C 1 Sep 2014 11:18:05 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> >From Andrew Pietenpol.
>
> --------
> Dan Plett
> N28WH
>
>
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=0A=0ARegards: Bill Budgell=0A=0ACap Aviation Supplies=0A =0A=0A_________
_______________________=0A From: Doug <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com>=0ATo: "
pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Wedne
sday, September 3, 2014 10:42:36 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used
Pietenpol plans=0A =0A=0A=0A =0AMy dad always said, "If you can't say an
ything nice don't say anything at all." Never head him say a bad word abo
ut anyone. In this case I'm totally at a loss for words.=0A=0Ado NOT archi
ve.=0A=0ADoug Dever=0AIn beautiful Stow Ohio=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________
________________=0AFrom: kipgohio1957@gmail.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-Li
st: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0ADate: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 10:20:43 -0400=0ATo: p
ietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A=0AWow, haven't seen anything like that since
"The Fisherman" (he of Home Depot lumber and Elmer's glue) told everyone o
ff. I hope it makes him feel better.=0A=0AOn Sep 3, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Bil
l Budgell wrote:=0A=0AJust the response I thought there would be..... you g
uys always have to out do each other ...... as long as your all.... right.
=0A>=0A>=0A>as I read on the forum once ..... if the new people don't agree
with us ...... we will ignore them and they will go away.=0A>=0A>=0A>The
one thing about know it all's...... like this forum is you cant tell them
nothing.=0A>=0A>=0A>Oh Gary Boothe if that's all you can reply you have jus
t proved my point ..... you really don't have anything to say or come back
with of anything intelligent.... you only read what you want to read.=0A>
=0A>=0A>Now you little boys play nice in the sand box..... while the real m
en vacate this forum and move on to a non spoon feeding forum. =0A>=0A>Reg
ards: Bill Budgell=0A>=0A>Cap Aviation Supplies=0A>=0A> =0A>=0A>_________
_______________________=0A> From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>=0A>To:
pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2014 9:29:5
4 AM=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A> =0A>=0A>
=0A>Don=99t lose any sleep, Doug. Isn=99t it curious that Mr. B
udgell has never posted on this forum (at least, not for several years), an
d, for his first post, he chooses to rage against all those who offer no gu
idance, faulty guidance, yet he has offered nothing after flying his Piet f
or 600 hrs!=0A> =0A>Gary Boothe=0A>NX308MB=0A> =0A>From:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] O
n Behalf Of Doug=0A>Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 6:00 AM=0A>To: piet
enpol-list@matronics.com=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol
plans=0A> =0A>I certainly hope it wasn't me who peed in your Wheaties.=0A>
=0A>Doug Dever=0A>In beautiful Stow Ohio=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>___________________
_____________=0A>=0A>Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 19:47:01 -0700=0A>From: capaviat
ion1@rogers.com=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol=0A plans
=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>Yes you people ....( not you as the
person) I know you are defending Andrew Pietenpol ....the forum doesn't s
eem to do a lot of helping new builders plus all they do is re-engineer the
Pietenpol why do think Andrew Pietenpol isn't on the site ... yet he still
cares but he's not there anymore and the guy that sells the hinges that vi
kapler use to sell because these guys cant be told anything..... they loa
d factors type of material etc.... what crap I have 600hrs. on kaplers hing
es no problem. =0A> =0A>The forum people don't even know what AC43 manual i
s.... and come up with BS on what they think they know but in reality they
know nothing... there some good people on there but I can see anyone with
common sense that makes a statement these people don't listen.... and they
pass there BS on to people that don't know better to walk away. =0A> =0A>T
he chatter is stupid I have made a lot of good friends from the site but m
ost have left for exactly this reason ..... why don't you pass this on to t
he forum and lets see the BS come back on this.=0A> =0A>Half of what these
people say is wrong and half of what they tell new builders is incorrect th
is is a simple aircraft to build. and was designed by a good man that had
more common sense in his baby finger than what I see in this hole forum.
=0A> =0A>It seems that the new way in aviation and in homebuilding is to sp
oon feed this new breed..... on every little item If the forum wants to re
ally back the Pietenpol Aircraft then do Andrew Pietenpol the honor of buil
ding the plane as per plans and stop the over building and analyzing every
dam thing.... and spread some common sense around on the forum.=0A> =0A>I h
ave never seen so much indecision on the building like I have on this forum
I can go back in the archives and find good information up to a point ....
then from that point you can read the BS from the new age.... so called kn
ow it all's.... It time someone spoke up here... its time to get back to co
rrect advise to new builders that is backed up and not BS. =0A> =0A>Regard
s: Bill Budgell AME. Canada=0A> =0A>Cap Aviation Supplies=0A> =0A>From:Ga
ry Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0A>Se
nt: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 9:09:13 PM=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: R
e: Used Pietenpol plans=0A> =0A>=9Cyou people=9D?=0A> =0A>Gary
Boothe=0A>NX308MB=0A> =0A>From:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [m
ailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Budgell
=0A>Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 5:52 PM=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matroni
cs.com=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A> =0A>Yes
and the way you people carry on with his grandfathers design your lucky he
still sells the blueprints .=0A> =0A>Regards: Bill Budgell=0A> =0A>Cap A
viation Supplies=0A> =0A>From:Doug <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com>=0A>To: "pi
etenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> =0A>Sent: Tuesda
y, September 2, 2014 6:50:56 PM=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pi
etenpol plans=0A> =0A>He is more gracious than most design holder. Certain
ly more than I would be, but nonetheless I would question a person's charac
ter who would not purchase plans from the design holder just to save a coup
le bucks on a $10,000+ airplane. This is no reflection on you...well a litt
le, but on the purchaser. Andrew deserves the money as without him there w
ould be no more Piet plans.=0A>=0A>Doug Dever=0A>In beautiful Stow Ohio=0A>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A>> From: dlplett@swko
.net=0A>> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:18:05 -0700=0A>> To: pietenpol-list@matr
@swko.net>=0A>> =0A>> >From Andrew Pietenpol.=0A>> =0A>> --------=0A>> Dan
Plett=0A>> N28WH=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Used Pietenpol plans |
Wow, this has taken a life of its own not necessarily in a good way.
Here is my email to Andrew that got that response. Looking back maybe I should
have included with Andrew's reply.
> Andrew
> I bought a flying Pietenpol with plans. The Piet was damaged in an accident
and sold for salvage. I still have the plans. Is it the intent in the sale
of the plans that 'one set of plans is to build one air camper'? Is it against
the Bernard Pietenpol tradition and the family's wishes for me to sell or even
give away my air camper plans?
>
> Sincerely
>
> Dan
Rather than have everyone (that is interested) scroll back to Andrews reply.
> Dear Dan,
>
> Thank you most graciously for asking. They are yours. Copyright laws do not
allow for reproduction and resale. But as they are your set now you can sell
your one set to a person who wants to build an airplane or donate. I hope this
helps.
>
> Sincerely
>
> Andrew Pietenpol
It seems a shame to discard a set of plans when possibly there is someone with
a damaged sheet or two that could possibly have a better copy.
--------
Dan Plett
N28WH
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| Subject: | Turtle Deck Suppport |
This is the same way I did mine: Seat back glued to the front of the fusela
ge brace=3B turtledeck bulkhead glued to the rear of the brace=2C creating
the 'step'. Works good.
Lorenzo
> From: CatDesigns@att.net
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Suppport
> Date: Wed=2C 3 Sep 2014 00:40:42 -0700
>
>
> John
>
> The rear seat headrest/ turtle deck support glues to the back of the cros
s
> brace forming the top of the seat. You don't need additional support. T
he
> support comes from the stringers on the turtle deck and make very ridged.
If
> you glue it to the back of the of the upper cross brace it will give you
> room to run cockpit padding along the rear head rest.
>
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| Subject: | Re: 12 rebuildable Corvair engines 20 miles from B-head |
What are the best cores to have? I found a guy locally that has advertised 2 RH
cases with 9409 cranks and 3 "correct" cylinder heads for $500. Would it be worth
it if they are in decent shape?
Rodney Hall
---- William Wynne <WilliamTCA@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Builders,
>
> This E-mail came to me today. I don't know him personally, but it sounds like
he has many of the correct engines to build for a Pietenpol. The note is also
a good indication of how many Corvair cores are left. Its nice to think that
someone who buys one of these engines will fly back over the same spot on the
way to Brodhead in a few years. -ww.
>
> -----------------------------
>
> William,
>
> Came across your website and thought I'd forward you my contact info if you know
> of anyone looking for corvair engines.
>
> I Just recently purchased three trailer loads of corvair parts from an auction
> in Beloit, WI, 90 year old guy sold everything out. I mostly was bidding against
> scrap dealers, even though I'm not a corvair guy, I didn't want to see the
> engines and parts scrapped. a dozen plus complete engines that include:RZ, RB,
> RD, RG, RH, YB, YN, Z, ZF types. A number of other parts too.
>
> If you know of anyone that's looking for anything particular, I may be able to
> help. Everything is located in Janesville, WI.
>
> Joe Conway
> (608) 322-0974
> Local311joe@gmail.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429563#429563
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| Subject: | Re: 12 rebuildable Corvair engines 20 miles from B-head |
Rodney,
My advice is to purchase entire core engines - not cases and heads. You need most
of the core parts to be rebuilt and you want certain pieces of the the sheet
metal for shrouding the engine. Not to mention valve covers, distributor,
etc, etc.
I'm not up on current prices but i think $200-$250 these days for a "complete"
core is reasonable. I paid $100 10 years ago.
If you have purchased the conversion manual from W Wynn you will know what engine
codes are best and which are to be avoided. His videos are very good as well.
--------
Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
Dayton OH
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| Subject: | Re: Used Pietenpol plans |
You did include his response in the post a while back. Which is why I said
what I did. If someone had a damaged page or 2 most of us one here would
be happy to copy ours for someone. However most who would purchase a compl
ete set used would just be interested in saving a couple bucks. I certainl
y would not consider it=2C but that is me. Others in the industry won't ev
en offer support for someone doing this. Just my opinion. And you know wh
at they say about opinions. :)
Do not archive
Doug Dever
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In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
> From: dlplett@swko.net
> Date: Wed=2C 3 Sep 2014 08:05:32 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> Wow=2C this has taken a life of its own not necessarily in a good way.
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> Here is my email to Andrew that got that response. Looking back maybe I
should have included with Andrew's reply.
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> > Andrew
> > I bought a flying Pietenpol with plans. The Piet was damaged in an acc
ident and sold for salvage. I still have the plans. Is it the intent in
the sale of the plans that 'one set of plans is to build one air camper'?
Is it against the Bernard Pietenpol tradition and the family's wishes for m
e to sell or even give away my air camper plans?
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> > Sincerely
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> > Dan
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> Rather than have everyone (that is interested) scroll back to Andrews rep
ly.
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> > Dear Dan=2C
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> > Thank you most graciously for asking. They are yours. Copyright laws
do not allow for reproduction and resale. But as they are your set now you
can sell your one set to a person who wants to build an airplane or donate.
I hope this helps.
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> > Sincerely
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> > Andrew Pietenpol
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> It seems a shame to discard a set of plans when possibly there is someone
with a damaged sheet or two that could possibly have a better copy.
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| Subject: | Re: Tool stock planned 19-22 February. |
I'll be there! Hide your welder from Terry and me :)
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Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
Dayton OH
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| Subject: | Re: Tool stock planned 19-22 February. |
I'll plan to be there Fri & Sat. I certainly won't be flying mine yet=2C bu
t I'll plan to bring some of the big pieces for show-and-tell.
Lorenzo=2C Tellico Plains=2C TN
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| Subject: | Re: Tool stock planned 19-22 February. |
Should have a fantastically gifted aircraft welder coming from middle Georgia to
help folks.
So no problem!
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| Subject: | Re: Tool stock planned 19-22 February. |
Lorenzo,
That's great! Bringing along a project? I'll make sure we can fit whatever you
bring under cover or inside.
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After reading through the referenced thread, I agree with your recommendation.
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| Subject: | Anybody move the inboard rib slightly outboard....?!!?!? |
Hello good Piet-ple,
I am in the process of building up the inboard ends and the center section of the
wing. If I read the plans correctly, one of the bolts that holds the metal
attach strap is directly in line with the inboard end rib. Since I am using a
solid plywood end rib, I would not be able to get that bolt in or out.
So has anyone else moved the rib slightly outboard - as I show in the attached
photo - so the the bolt is accessible...?!?!? And if I do that, is there somewhere
else I may be getting in trouble if I do this...??!?
thanks.....
BTW, proof it does RAIN in Seattle.... (airplane building season!)
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Used Pietenpol plans |
Doug
You question ethics with "one set of plans one airplane". Yet when that is proven
incorrect by Andrews email you keep defending your incorrect position. Like
it or not that is Andrews position. A standup guy would have posted ' I stand
corrected' and moved on. Yes had he emailed me 'one set one plane' I would
have posted that also.
There is really no reason to rehash your position with me. Andrews reply stated
his position. It wasn't mine. If you feel the need to disagree with his email
I suggest you contact him.
You stated "If someone had a damaged page or 2 most of us one here would be happy
to copy ours for someone". Now that appears to violate copy write laws.
Dan
> You did include his response in the post a while back. Which is why I said what
I did. If someone had a damaged page or 2 most of us one here would be happy
to copy ours for someone. However most who would purchase a complete set used
would just be interested in saving a couple bucks. I certainly would not consider
it, but that is me. Others in the industry won't even offer support for
someone doing this. Just my opinion. And you know what they say about opinions.
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> Do not archive
> Doug Dever
> In beautiful Stow Ohio
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N28WH
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| Subject: | Re: Anybody move the inboard rib slightly outboard....?!!?!? |
Jake,
If you read the plans correctly, you'll also see that there aren't any solid plywood
ribs. :)
Yes, you are reading the plans correctly when you say that one of the mounting
bolts for the spar butt joint straps does fall in the space occupied by the inboard
rib.
Just not sure why you would ever need to remove that bolt. However, if you wanted
to keep that option open, you could notch out a space in your plywood rib
to allow you to do that. If you move that rib further outboard, you will be increasing
the gap between wing and centersection that needs to be bridged (usually
with a strip of aluminum.)
In looking at your photo, your plywood rib appears to be about 1/4" thick. I think
you will need to add some reinforcement to that rib for it to be able to
resist the lateral forces that will be imposed on it by the fabric as it shrinks.
The plywood will not be as rigid as the built-up Spruce rib.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Anybody move the inboard rib slightly outboard....?!!?!? |
Thanks Bill.... yes, I will have to reinforce the plywood rib. I did not build
my wing (bought it from a gentleman who had started a Piet and then sold it) so
I do not have a rib jig. Since every jig is slightly different, I made my plywood
ribs EXACTLY the same contour as the already built-up ribs. I also figure
it'll be nice to have those end ribs closed off as some other folks have done
as well....?!?!? I had not thought to make a cutout for the bolt and just "leave
it in there" after I glued in the rib.... interesting thought worth some
further consideration - thx.
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| Subject: | Re: Used Pietenpol plans |
Evidently missed my point. Didn't question your ethics. :)
Doug Dever
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
> From: dlplett@swko.net
> Date: Wed=2C 3 Sep 2014 17:14:28 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> Doug
> You question ethics with "one set of plans one airplane". Yet when that
is proven incorrect by Andrews email you keep defending your incorrect pos
ition. Like it or not that is Andrews position. A standup guy would have
posted ' I stand corrected' and moved on. Yes had he emailed me 'one set o
ne plane' I would have posted that also.
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> There is really no reason to rehash your position with me. Andrews repl
y stated his position. It wasn't mine. If you feel the need to disagree w
ith his email I suggest you contact him.
>
> You stated "If someone had a damaged page or 2 most of us one here would
be happy to copy ours for someone". Now that appears to violate copy write
laws.
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> Dan
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> > You did include his response in the post a while back. =EF=BDWhich i
s why I said what I did. =EF=BDIf someone had a damaged page or 2 most o
f us one here would be happy to copy ours for someone. =EF=BDHowever mos
t who would purchase a complete set used would just be interested in saving
a couple bucks. =EF=BDI certainly would not consider it=2C but that is
me. =EF=BDOthers in the industry won't even offer support for someone do
ing this. =EF=BDJust my opinion. =EF=BDAnd you know what they say abo
ut opinions. =EF=BD
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> > Do not archive
> > Doug Dever
> > In beautiful Stow Ohio
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