---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 09/03/14: 30 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:41 AM - Re: Turtle Deck Suppport (CatDesigns) 2. 03:41 AM - Re: Re: Used Pietenpol plans (danhelsper@aol.com) 3. 06:00 AM - Re: Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Doug) 4. 06:32 AM - Re: Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Gary Boothe) 5. 06:39 AM - seat back (Douwe Blumberg) 6. 06:42 AM - rants (Douwe Blumberg) 7. 06:46 AM - Thanks Scot! (Douwe Blumberg) 8. 06:48 AM - Re: Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Doug) 9. 07:03 AM - Re: Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Bill Budgell) 10. 07:17 AM - Re: Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Ryan Mueller) 11. 07:22 AM - Re: Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Kip Gardner) 12. 07:33 AM - Re: seat back (john francis) 13. 07:42 AM - Re: Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Bill Budgell) 14. 07:43 AM - Re: Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Doug) 15. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Bill Budgell) 16. 08:07 AM - Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Dan P) 17. 09:01 AM - Re: Turtle Deck Suppport (larharris2 Harris) 18. 09:29 AM - Re: 12 rebuildable Corvair engines 20 miles from B-head () 19. 10:35 AM - Re: 12 rebuildable Corvair engines 20 miles from B-head (bdewenter) 20. 10:39 AM - Re: Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Doug) 21. 10:41 AM - Re: Tool stock planned 19-22 February. (bdewenter) 22. 11:36 AM - Re: Re: Tool stock planned 19-22 February. (larharris2 Harris) 23. 11:42 AM - Re: Tool stock planned 19-22 February. (tools) 24. 11:46 AM - Re: Tool stock planned 19-22 February. (tools) 25. 01:39 PM - Re: rants (gsnewsome) 26. 05:03 PM - Anybody move the inboard rib slightly outboard....?!!?!? (aerocarjake) 27. 05:14 PM - Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Dan P) 28. 06:04 PM - Re: Anybody move the inboard rib slightly outboard....?!!?!? (Bill Church) 29. 06:25 PM - Re: Anybody move the inboard rib slightly outboard....?!!?!? (aerocarjake) 30. 07:31 PM - Re: Re: Used Pietenpol plans (Doug) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:41:03 AM PST US From: "CatDesigns" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Suppport John The rear seat headrest/ turtle deck support glues to the back of the cross brace forming the top of the seat. You don't need additional support. The support comes from the stringers on the turtle deck and make very ridged. If you glue it to the back of the of the upper cross brace it will give you room to run cockpit padding along the rear head rest. I made mine flush with the front of the seat because I'm tall and when I sat in the seat as shown on the plans the top cut me across my shoulder blades which was uncomfortable. With it on the front of the cross brace it was more comfortable for my size. However I do not have the space for running and padding around the rear headrest. Chris Sacramento, CA WestcoastPiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john francis Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 12:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Suppport --> Where the top of the back seat and the turtle deck support meet, has me confused. I looked at some pictures on westcoastpiet and see that some of you have elected to make this joint flush and others have an offset here. It does appear to me that some additional (not in plans?) support is needed to tie these two components together. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429866#429866 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:41:15 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans From: danhelsper@aol.com Gee Bill, I am sure glad you are on here now, so that we can start getting good advice again.=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0ALoen sloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Bill Budgell =0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Tue, Sep 2, 2014 9:47 pm=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A=0A=0A=0AYes you peopl e ....( not you as the person) I know you are defending Andrew Pietenpol ....the forum doesn't seem to do a lot o f helping new builders plus all they do is re-engineer the Pietenpol why do think Andrew Pietenpol isn't on the site .. . yet he still cares but he's not there anymore and the guy that sells the hinges that vi kapler use to sell be cause these guys cant be told anything..... they load factors type of material etc.... what crap I have 600hrs. on kaplers hinges no problem. =0A=0A=0AThe forum people don't even know what AC43 manual is.... and come up with BS on what the y think they know but in reality they know nothing... there some good people on there but I can see anyone with common sense that makes a statement these people don't listen.... and they pass there BS on to people that don't know better to walk away. =0A=0A=0AThe chatter is stupid I have m ade a lot of good friends from the site but most have le ft for exactly this reason ..... why don't you pass this o n to the forum and lets see the BS come back on this.=0A =0A=0AHalf of what these people say is wrong and half of w hat they tell new builders is incorrect this is a simple a ircraft to build. and was designed by a good man that h ad more common sense in his baby finger than what I see in this hole forum. =0A=0A=0AIt seems that the new way in aviation and in homebuilding is to spoon feed this new breed ..... on every little item If the forum wants to really back the Pietenpol Aircraft then do Andrew Pietenpol the honor of building the plane as per plans and stop the over bu ilding and analyzing every dam thing.... and spread some commo n sense around on the forum.=0A=0A=0AI have never seen so mu ch indecision on the building like I have on this forum I can go back in the archives and find good information up t o a point .... then from that point you can read the BS from the new age.... so called know it all's.... It time s omeone spoke up here... its time to get back to correct ad vise to new builders that is backed up and not BS. =0A=0A =0ARegards: Bill Budgell AME. Canada=0A =0ACap Aviation S upplies=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A From: Gary Boothe =0A To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0A Sent: Tuesd ay, September 2, 2014 9:09:13 PM=0A Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=9Cyou peopl e=9D?=0A =0A=0AGary Boothe=0ANX308MB=0A=0A =0A=0AFrom: owner -pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matro nics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Budgell=0ASent: Tuesday, September 0 2, 2014 5:52 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pi etenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A=0A =0A=0AYes and the way you people carry on with his grandfathers design your lu cky he still sells the blueprints .=0A=0A =0A=0ARegards: B ill Budgell=0A=0A =0A=0ACap Aviation Supplies=0A=0A =0A=0A=0AFrom: Doug =0ATo: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com"

=0ASent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 6:5 0:56 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A =0A =0A=0A=0AHe is more gracious than most design holder. Certainly more than I would be, but nonetheless I would ques tion a person's character who would not purchase plans from the design holder just to save a couple bucks on a $10,000 + airplane. This is no reflection on you...well a little, bu t on the purchaser. Andrew deserves the money as without him there would be no more Piet plans.=0A=0ADoug Dever=0AIn be autiful Stow Ohio=0A=0A=0A=0A> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used P ietenpol plans=0A> From: dlplett@swko.net=0A> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2 014 11:18:05 -0700=0A> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A> =0A> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dan P" =0A> =0A> >From Andrew Pietenpol.=0A> =0A> --------=0A> Dan Plett=0A> N28WH=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online here:=0A> =0A> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429778#429778=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Attachments: =0A> =0A> http://forums.matronics.com /files/image_670.jpg=0A& Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,=0A>====================== ===0A> =0A> =0A> =0A=0A =0A =0A =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Li st=0A=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/co ntribution=0A=0A =0A =0Acom/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://wwwhref="http://forums.matronics.com/"; target= "_blank" rel="nofollow">htn" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://w ww.matronics.com/contribution==============0A=0A=0A=0A =========================== =========================== =========================== -Matt Dralle =========================== ========0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:21 AM PST US From: Doug Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans I certainly hope it wasn't me who peed in your Wheaties. Doug Dever =0A In beautiful Stow Ohio From: capaviation1@rogers.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans Yes you people ....( not you as the person) I know you are defending Andrew Pietenpol ....the forum doesn't seem to do a lot of helping new builders plus all they do is re-engineer the Pietenpol why do think Andrew Pietenpol isn't on the site ... yet he still cares but he's not there anymore and th e guy that sells the hinges that vi kapler use to sell because these guys cant be told anything..... they load factors type of material etc.... what crap I have 600hrs. on kaplers hinges no problem. The forum people don't even know what AC43 manual is.... and come up with BS on what they think they know but in reality they know nothing... there s ome good people on there but I can see anyone with common sense that makes a statement these people don't listen.... and they pass there BS on to peop le that don't know better to walk away. The=0A chatter is stupid I have made a lot of good friends from the site but mos t have left for exactly this reason ..... why don't you pass this on to the forum and lets see the BS come back on this. Half of what these people say is wrong and half of what they tell new build ers is incorrect this is a simple aircraft to build. and was designed by a good man that had more common sense in his baby finger than what I see in this hole forum. It seems that the new way in aviation and in homebuilding is to spoon feed this new breed..... on every little item If the forum wants to really back the Pietenpol Aircraft then do Andrew Pietenpol the honor of building the plane as per plans and stop the over building and analyzing every dam thing .... and spread some common sense around on the forum. I have never seen so much indecision on the building like I have on this fo rum I can go back in the archives and find good information up to a point . ... then from that point you can read the BS from the new age.... so called know it all's.... It time someone spoke up here... its time to get back to correct advise to new builders that is backed up and not BS. Regards: Bill Budgell AME. Canada Cap Aviation Supplies From: Gary Boothe To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday=2C September 2=2C 2014 9:09:13 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans =93you people=94? Gary BootheNX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@ma tronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Budgell Sent: Tuesday=2C September 02=2C 2014 5:52 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans Yes and the way you people carry on with his grandfathers design your lucky he still sells the blueprints=0A . Regards: Bill Budgell Cap Aviation Supplies From: Doug Sent: Tuesday=2C September 2=2C 2014 6:50:56 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans He is more gracious than most design holder. Certainly more than I would be=2C but nonetheless I would question a person's character who would not purchase plans from th e design holder just to save a couple bucks on a $10=2C000+ airplane. This is no reflection on you...well a little=2C but on the purchaser. Andrew de serves the money as without him there would be no more Piet plans. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans > From: dlplett@swko.net > Date: Mon=2C 1 Sep 2014 11:18:05 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > >From Andrew Pietenpol. > > -------- > Dan Plett > N28WH > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429778#429778 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com/files/image_670.jpg & Archive Search & Download=2C 7-Day Browse=2C Chat=2C FAQ=2C >======================= > > > =0A http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A =0A com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www href="http://forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">ht n" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ==============0A =0A =0A =0A =0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ============0A =0A ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:21 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans Don't lose any sleep, Doug. Isn't it curious that Mr. Budgell has never posted on this forum (at least, not for several years), and, for his first post, he chooses to rage against all those who offer no guidance, faulty guidance, yet he has offered nothing after flying his Piet for 600 hrs! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 6:00 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans I certainly hope it wasn't me who peed in your Wheaties. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio _____ From: capaviation1@rogers.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans Yes you people ....( not you as the person) I know you are defending Andrew Pietenpol ....the forum doesn't seem to do a lot of helping new builders plus all they do is re-engineer the Pietenpol why do think Andrew Pietenpol isn't on the site ... yet he still cares but he's not there anymore and the guy that sells the hinges that vi kapler use to sell because these guys cant be told anything..... they load factors type of material etc.... what crap I have 600hrs. on kaplers hinges no problem. The forum people don't even know what AC43 manual is.... and come up with BS on what they think they know but in reality they know nothing... there some good people on there but I can see anyone with common sense that makes a statement these people don't listen.... and they pass there BS on to people that don't know better to walk away. The chatter is stupid I have made a lot of good friends from the site but most have left for exactly this reason ..... why don't you pass this on to the forum and lets see the BS come back on this. Half of what these people say is wrong and half of what they tell new builders is incorrect this is a simple aircraft to build. and was designed by a good man that had more common sense in his baby finger than what I see in this hole forum. It seems that the new way in aviation and in homebuilding is to spoon feed this new breed..... on every little item If the forum wants to really back the Pietenpol Aircraft then do Andrew Pietenpol the honor of building the plane as per plans and stop the over building and analyzing every dam thing.... and spread some common sense around on the forum. I have never seen so much indecision on the building like I have on this forum I can go back in the archives and find good information up to a point .... then from that point you can read the BS from the new age.... so called know it all's.... It time someone spoke up here... its time to get back to correct advise to new builders that is backed up and not BS. Regards: Bill Budgell AME. Canada Cap Aviation Supplies From: Gary Boothe Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 9:09:13 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans "you people"? Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Budgell Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 5:52 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans Yes and the way you people carry on with his grandfathers design your lucky he still sells the blueprints . Regards: Bill Budgell Cap Aviation Supplies From: Doug Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 6:50:56 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans He is more gracious than most design holder. Certainly more than I would be, but nonetheless I would question a person's character who would not purchase plans from the design holder just to save a couple bucks on a $10,000+ airplane. This is no reflection on you...well a little, but on the purchaser. Andrew deserves the money as without him there would be no more Piet plans. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans > From: dlplett@swko.net > Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:18:05 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > >From Andrew Pietenpol. > > -------- > Dan Plett > N28WH > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429778#429778 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com/files/image_670.jpg & Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, >======================= > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://wwwhref "http://forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">htn" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.matronics.com/contribution============ ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:03 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: seat back Hey John, I'm not completely sure what your question is regarding the seatback bulkhead/turtledeck attachment. I know mine has a 1" recess from the face of the bulkhead to the face of the turtledeck ply. Douwe ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:16 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: rants Hey all, I think Bill's "rant" is a great opportunity for us all to practice the restraint and common sense that we've been needing to bring back recently. I would suggest that when someone goes off "on a tear" like this that we just ignore it and if you absolutely can't let it pass, or if you're called our personally, simply email the "ranter" directly so we keep the list Piet building related and not get sucked into side issues like personalities, building approaches, etc. Just let it pass, let it pass. $.02 Douwe ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:56 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thanks Scot! Scot, thanks so much for the great pic of my daughter with Re-PIET!! It's the best I have and is my new screen saver. Douwe ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:04 AM PST US From: Doug Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans Oh I'm certainly not Gary. That's why my statement was short=2C to the poi nt=2C and with a hint of sarcasm. :) DO NOT ARCHIVE this ridiculousness. Doug Dever =0A In beautiful Stow Ohio From: gboothe5@comcast.net Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans Don=92t lose any sleep=2C Doug. Isn=92t it curious that Mr. Budgell has nev er posted on this forum (at least=2C not for several years)=2C and=2C for h is first post=2C he chooses to rage against all those who offer no guidance =2C faulty guidance=2C yet he has offered nothing after flying his Piet for 600 hrs! Gary BootheNX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.co m [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Sent: Wednesday=2C September 03=2C 2014 6:00 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans I certainly hope it w asn't me who peed in your Wheaties. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio From: capaviation1@rogers.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans I know you are defending Andrew Pietenpol ....the forum doesn't seem to d o a lot of helping new builders plus all they do is re-engineer the Pietenp ol why do think Andrew Pietenpol isn't on the site ... yet he still cares b ut he's not there anymore and the guy that sells the hinges that vi kapler use to sell because these guys cant be told anything..... they load factor s type of material etc.... what crap I have 600hrs. on kaplers hinges no pr oblem. The forum people don't even know what AC43 manual is.... and come up with BS on what they think they know but in reality they know nothing... there some good people on there but I can see anyone with common sense tha t makes a statement these people don't listen.... and they pass there BS on to people that don't know better to walk away. The chatter is stupid I have made a lot of good friends from the site but most have left for exactl y this reason ..... why don't you pass this on to the forum and lets see th e BS come back on this. Half of what these people say is wrong and half of what they tell new builders is incorrect this is a simple aircraft to build . and was designed by a good man that had more common sense in his baby fi nger than what I see in this hole forum. It seems that the new way in avia tion and in homebuilding is to spoon feed this new breed..... on every litt le item If the forum wants to really back the Pietenpol Aircraft then do A ndrew Pietenpol the honor of building the plane as per plans and stop the o ver building and analyzing every dam thing.... and spread some common sense around on the forum. I have never seen so much indecision on the building like I have on this forum I can go back in the archives and find good infor mation up to a point .... then from that point you can read the BS from the new age.... so called know it all's.... It time someone spoke up here... i ts time to get back to correct advise to new builders that is backed up and not BS. Regards: Bill Budgell AME. Canada Cap Aviation Supplies From: Gary Boothe Sent: Tuesday=2C September 2=2C 2014 9:09:13 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans =93you people=94? Gar y BootheNX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:own er-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Budgell Sent: Tuesday=2C September 02=2C 2014 5:52 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans Yes and the way you p eople carry on with his grandfathers design your lucky he still sells the b lueprints . Regards: Bill Budgell Cap Aviation Supplies From: Doug Sent: Tuesday=2C September 2=2C 2014 6:50:56 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans He is more gracious t han most design holder. Certainly more than I would be=2C but nonetheless I would question a person's character who would not purchase plans from the design holder just to save a couple bucks on a $10=2C000+ airplane. This i s no reflection on you...well a little=2C but on the purchaser. Andrew des erves the money as without him there would be no more Piet plans. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans > From: dlplett@swko.net > Date: Mon=2C 1 Sep 2014 11:18:05 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > >From Andrew Pietenpol. > > -------- > Dan Plett > N28WH > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429778#429778 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com/files/image_670.jpg & Archive Search & Download=2C 7-Day Browse=2C Chat=2C FAQ=2C >======================= > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forum s.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution com/Navigator?Pietenp ol-List" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://wwwhref="http://forums .matronics.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">htn" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.matronics.com/contribution======= ====== ===========st" target="_blank ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List======== ===http://forums.matronics.com============"_b lank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution========== = http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matron ics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A =0A =0A =0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ============0A =0A ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:19 AM PST US From: Bill Budgell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans Just the response I thought there would be..... you guys always have to out do each other ...... as long as your all.... right.=0A=0Aas I read on the forum once ..... if the new people don't agree with us ...... we will ignor e them and they will go away.=0A=0AThe one thing about know it all's...... like this forum is you cant tell them nothing.=0A=0AOh Gary Boothe if tha t's all you can reply you have just proved my point ..... you really don't have anything to say or come back with of anything intelligent.... you onl y read what you want to read.=0A=0ANow you little boys play nice in the san d box..... while the real men vacate this forum and move on to a non spoon feeding forum. =0A=0ARegards: Bill Budgell=0A=0ACap Aviation Supplies=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Gary Boothe =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, September 3 , 2014 9:29:54 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans =0A =0A=0A=0ADon=99t lose any sleep, Doug. Isn=99t it curious that Mr. Budgell has never posted on this forum (at least, not for several years), and, for his first post, he chooses to rage against all those who o ffer no guidance, faulty guidance, yet he has offered nothing after flying his Piet for 600 hrs!=0A =0AGary Boothe=0ANX308MB=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpo l-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.c om] On Behalf Of Doug=0ASent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 6:00 AM=0ATo: p ietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenp ol plans=0A =0AI certainly hope it wasn't me who peed in your Wheaties.=0A =0ADoug Dever=0AIn beautiful Stow Ohio=0A=0A=0A=0A_________________________ _______=0A=0ADate: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 19:47:01 -0700=0AFrom: capaviation1@roge rs.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0ATo: pieten pol-list@matronics.com=0AYes you people ....( not you as the person) I know you are defending Andrew Pietenpol ....the forum doesn't seem to do a lot of helping new builders plus all they do is re-engineer the Pietenpol why do think Andrew Pietenpol isn't on the site ... yet he still cares but he's not there anymore and the guy that sells the hinges that vi kapler use to sell because these guys cant be told anything..... they load factors type of material etc.... what crap I have 600hrs. on kaplers hinges no problem. =0A =0AThe forum people don't even know what AC43 manual is.... and come u p with BS on what they think they know but in reality they know nothing... there some good people on there but I can see anyone with common sense that makes a statement these people don't listen.... and they pass there BS on to people that don't know better to walk away. =0A =0AThe chatter is stup id I have made a lot of good friends from the site but most have left for e xactly this reason ..... why don't you pass this on to the forum and lets s ee the BS come back on this.=0A =0AHalf of what these people say is wrong a nd half of what they tell new builders is incorrect this is a simple aircra ft to build. and was designed by a good man that had more common sense in his baby finger than what I see in this hole forum. =0A =0AIt seems that th e new way in aviation and in homebuilding is to spoon feed this new breed.. ... on every little item If the forum wants to really back the Pietenpol A ircraft then do Andrew Pietenpol the honor of building the plane as per pla ns and stop the over building and analyzing every dam thing.... and spread some common sense around on the forum.=0A =0AI have never seen so much inde cision on the building like I have on this forum I can go back in the archi ves and find good information up to a point .... then from that point you c an read the BS from the new age.... so called know it all's.... It time som eone spoke up here... its time to get back to correct advise to new builder s that is backed up and not BS. =0A =0ARegards: Bill Budgell AME. Canada =0A =0ACap Aviation Supplies=0A =0AFrom:Gary Boothe =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 9:0 9:13 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A =0A =9Cyou people=9D?=0A =0AGary Boothe=0ANX308MB=0A =0AFrom:owner-pie tenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matron ics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Budgell=0ASent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 5:52 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: U sed Pietenpol plans=0A =0AYes and the way you people carry on with his gran dfathers design your lucky he still sells the blueprints .=0A =0ARegards: Bill Budgell=0A =0ACap Aviation Supplies=0A =0AFrom:Doug =0ATo: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" =0ASent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 6:50:56 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenp ol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A =0AHe is more gracious than most desig n holder. Certainly more than I would be, but nonetheless I would question a person's character who would not purchase plans from the design holder j ust to save a couple bucks on a $10,000+ airplane. This is no reflection on you...well a little, but on the purchaser. Andrew deserves the money as w ithout him there would be no more Piet plans.=0A=0ADoug Dever=0AIn beautifu l Stow Ohio=0A> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A> From: dlplett@swko.net=0A> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:18:05 -0700=0A> To: pietenpo =0A> =0A> >From Andrew Pietenpol.=0A> =0A> --------=0A> Dan Plett=0A> N28WH=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online here:=0A > =0A> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429778#429778=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Attachments: =0A> =0A> http://forums.matronics.com/files/im age_670.jpg=0A& Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,=0A>= ========================0A> =0A> =0A> =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigato r?Pietenpol-List=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/ contribution=0A =0Acom/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank" rel="n ofollow">http://wwwhref=%22http/forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">htn" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.matroni cs.com/contribution==============0A =0A =0A =0A =0A============0Ast" target="_blank">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A============0Ah ttp://forums.matronics.com/=0A============0A="_blan k">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A========== ==0A =0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahttp: ============= ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:38 AM PST US From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans We salute you, real men.....don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out do not archive =8B On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Bill Budgell wrote: > Now you little boys play nice in the sand box..... while the real men > vacate this forum and move on to a non spoon feeding forum. > > Regards: Bill Budgell > > Cap Aviation Supplies > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:17 AM PST US From: Kip Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans Wow, haven't seen anything like that since "The Fisherman" (he of Home Depot lumber and Elmer's glue) told everyone off. I hope it makes him feel better. On Sep 3, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Bill Budgell wrote: > Just the response I thought there would be..... you guys always have to out do each other ...... as long as your all.... right. > > as I read on the forum once ..... if the new people don't agree with us ...... we will ignore them and they will go away. > > The one thing about know it all's...... like this forum is you cant tell them nothing. > > Oh Gary Boothe if that's all you can reply you have just proved my point ..... you really don't have anything to say or come back with of anything intelligent.... you only read what you want to read. > > Now you little boys play nice in the sand box..... while the real men vacate this forum and move on to a non spoon feeding forum. > > Regards: Bill Budgell > > Cap Aviation Supplies > > From: Gary Boothe > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2014 9:29:54 AM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans > > Don=92t lose any sleep, Doug. Isn=92t it curious that Mr. Budgell has never posted on this forum (at least, not for several years), and, for his first post, he chooses to rage against all those who offer no guidance, faulty guidance, yet he has offered nothing after flying his Piet for 600 hrs! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 6:00 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans > > I certainly hope it wasn't me who peed in your Wheaties. > > Doug Dever > In beautiful Stow Ohio > > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 19:47:01 -0700 > From: capaviation1@rogers.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Yes you people ....( not you as the person) I know you are defending Andrew Pietenpol ....the forum doesn't seem to do a lot of helping new builders plus all they do is re-engineer the Pietenpol why do think Andrew Pietenpol isn't on the site ... yet he still cares but he's not there anymore and the guy that sells the hinges that vi kapler use to sell because these guys cant be told anything..... they load factors type of material etc.... what crap I have 600hrs. on kaplers hinges no problem. > > The forum people don't even know what AC43 manual is.... and come up with BS on what they think they know but in reality they know nothing... there some good people on there but I can see anyone with common sense that makes a statement these people don't listen.... and they pass there BS on to people that don't know better to walk away. > > The chatter is stupid I have made a lot of good friends from the site but most have left for exactly this reason ..... why don't you pass this on to the forum and lets see the BS come back on this. > > Half of what these people say is wrong and half of what they tell new builders is incorrect this is a simple aircraft to build. and was designed by a good man that had more common sense in his baby finger than what I see in this hole forum. > > It seems that the new way in aviation and in homebuilding is to spoon feed this new breed..... on every little item If the forum wants to really back the Pietenpol Aircraft then do Andrew Pietenpol the honor of building the plane as per plans and stop the over building and analyzing every dam thing.... and spread some common sense around on the forum. > > I have never seen so much indecision on the building like I have on this forum I can go back in the archives and find good information up to a point .... then from that point you can read the BS from the new age.... so called know it all's.... It time someone spoke up here... its time to get back to correct advise to new builders that is backed up and not BS. > > Regards: Bill Budgell AME. Canada > > Cap Aviation Supplies > > From: Gary Boothe > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 9:09:13 PM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans > > =93you people=94? > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Budgell > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 5:52 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans > > Yes and the way you people carry on with his grandfathers design your lucky he still sells the blueprints . > > Regards: Bill Budgell > > Cap Aviation Supplies > > From: Doug > To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" > Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 6:50:56 PM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans > > He is more gracious than most design holder. Certainly more than I would be, but nonetheless I would question a person's character who would not purchase plans from the design holder just to save a couple bucks on a $10,000+ airplane. This is no reflection on you...well a little, but on the purchaser. Andrew deserves the money as without him there would be no more Piet plans. > > Doug Dever > In beautiful Stow Ohio > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans > > From: dlplett@swko.net > > Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:18:05 -0700 > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > > > > >=46rom Andrew Pietenpol. > > > > -------- > > Dan Plett > > N28WH > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429778#429778 > > > > > > > > > > Attachments: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/files/image_670.jpg > & Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, > >======================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com/ > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://wwwhref=%22http/forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">htn" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.matronics.com/contribution======= ===== > > > > > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com/ > ========== > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://wwwhref="http://forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">htn" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.matronics.com/contribution======= ===== > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: seat back From: "john francis" I figured it out Douwe. Some have the offset like you and some do not.. I read the plans as putting in the offset and Mike Cuy showed me his. Thanks -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429917#429917 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:38 AM PST US From: Bill Budgell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans your comments make you all look good keep them coming=0A=0A=0ARegards: Bi ll Budgell=0A=0ACap Aviation Supplies=0A =0A=0A____________________________ ____=0A From: Kip Gardner =0ATo: pietenpol-list@mat ronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, September 3, 2014 10:20:43 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A =0A=0A=0AWow, haven't seen an ything like that since "The Fisherman" (he of Home Depot lumber and Elmer's glue) told everyone off. I hope it makes him feel better.=0A=0AOn Sep 3, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Bill Budgell wrote:=0A=0AJust the response I thought the re would be..... you guys always have to out do each other ...... as long a s your all.... right.=0A>=0A>=0A>as I read on the forum once ..... if the n ew people don't agree with us ...... we will ignore them and they will go away.=0A>=0A>=0A>The one thing about know it all's...... like this forum i s you cant tell them nothing.=0A>=0A>=0A>Oh Gary Boothe if that's all you c an reply you have just proved my point ..... you really don't have anything to say or come back with of anything intelligent.... you only read what y ou want to read.=0A>=0A>=0A>Now you little boys play nice in the sand box.. ... while the real men vacate this forum and move on to a non spoon feeding forum. =0A>=0A>Regards: Bill Budgell=0A>=0A>Cap Aviation Supplies=0A> =0A> =0A>=0A>________________________________=0A> From: Gary Boothe =0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Wednesday, Se ptember 3, 2014 9:29:54 AM=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenp ol plans=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>Don=99t lose any sleep, Doug. Isn=99t it curious that Mr. Budgell has never posted on this forum (at least, not for several years), and, for his first post, he chooses to rage against all those who offer no guidance, faulty guidance, yet he has offered nothing a fter flying his Piet for 600 hrs!=0A> =0A>Gary Boothe=0A>NX308MB=0A> =0A>Fr om:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-s erver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug=0A>Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 20 14 6:00 AM=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-Li st: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A> =0A>I certainly hope it wasn't me who peed in your Wheaties.=0A>=0A>Doug Dever=0A>In beautiful Stow Ohio=0A>=0A>=0A> =0A>________________________________=0A>=0A>Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 19:47:01 -0700=0A>From: capaviation1@rogers.com=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol=0A plans=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>Yes you peop le ....( not you as the person) I know you are defending Andrew Pietenpol . ...the forum doesn't seem to do a lot of helping new builders plus all the y do is re-engineer the Pietenpol why do think Andrew Pietenpol isn't on th e site ... yet he still cares but he's not there anymore and the guy that s ells the hinges that vi kapler use to sell because these guys cant be told anything..... they load factors type of material etc.... what crap I have 600hrs. on kaplers hinges no problem. =0A> =0A>The forum people don't even know what AC43 manual is.... and come up with BS on what they think they k now but in reality they know nothing... there some good people on there but I can see anyone with common sense that makes a statement these people don 't listen.... and they pass there BS on to people that don't know better to walk away. =0A> =0A>The chatter is stupid I have made a lot of good frie nds from the site but most have left for exactly this reason ..... why don' t you pass this on to the forum and lets see the BS come back on this.=0A> =0A>Half of what these people say is wrong and half of what they tell new b uilders is incorrect this is a simple aircraft to build. and was designed by a good man that had more common sense in his baby finger than what I see in this hole forum. =0A> =0A>It seems that the new way in aviation and in homebuilding is to spoon feed this new breed..... on every little item If the forum wants to really back the Pietenpol Aircraft then do Andrew Pieten pol the honor of building the plane as per plans and stop the over building and analyzing every dam thing.... and spread some common sense around on t he forum.=0A> =0A>I have never seen so much indecision on the building like I have on this forum I can go back in the archives and find good informati on up to a point .... then from that point you can read the BS from the new age.... so called know it all's.... It time someone spoke up here... its t ime to get back to correct advise to new builders that is backed up and not BS. =0A> =0A>Regards: Bill Budgell AME. Canada=0A> =0A>Cap Aviation Sup plies=0A> =0A>From:Gary Boothe =0A>To: pietenpol-list @matronics.com =0A>Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 9:09:13 PM=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A> =0A>=9Cyou people =9D?=0A> =0A>Gary Boothe=0A>NX308MB=0A> =0A>From:owner-pietenpol-list-se rver@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Be half Of Bill Budgell=0A>Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 5:52 PM=0A>To: pi etenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenp ol plans=0A> =0A>Yes and the way you people carry on with his grandfathers design your lucky he still sells the blueprints .=0A> =0A>Regards: Bill B udgell=0A> =0A>Cap Aviation Supplies=0A> =0A>From:Doug =0A>To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" =0A>Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 6:50:56 PM=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenp ol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A> =0A>He is more gracious than most des ign holder. Certainly more than I would be, but nonetheless I would questi on a person's character who would not purchase plans from the design holder just to save a couple bucks on a $10,000+ airplane. This is no reflection on you...well a little, but on the purchaser. Andrew deserves the money as without him there would be no more Piet plans.=0A>=0A>Doug Dever=0A>In bea utiful Stow Ohio=0A>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A> > From: dlplett@swko.net=0A>> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:18:05 -0700=0A>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>> =0A>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dan P" =0A>> =0A>> >From Andrew Pietenpol.=0A>> =0A> > --------=0A>> Dan Plett=0A>> N28WH=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> Read this topic online here:=0A>> =0A>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p =429778#429778=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> Attachments: =0A>> =0A>> http ://forums.matronics.com/files/image_670.jpg=0A>& Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,=0A>>=============== ==========0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A>http://forum s.matronics.com/=0A>http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A> =0A>com/Navig ator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://wwwhref=%2 2http/forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">htn" target ="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=== ===========0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>======= =====0A>st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pi etenpol-List=0A>============0A>http://forums.matronic s.com/=0A>============0A>="_blank">http://www.matro nics.com/contribution=0A>============0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A>http://forums.matr onics.com/=0A>http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A> =0A>com/Navigator? 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Doug Dever =0A In beautiful Stow Ohio From: kipgohio1957@gmail.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans Wow=2C haven't seen anything like that since "The Fisherman" (he of Home De pot lumber and Elmer's glue) told everyone off. I hope it makes him feel b etter. On Sep 3=2C 2014=2C at 10:03 AM=2C Bill Budgell wrote:Just the response I t hought there would be..... you guys always have to out do each other ...... as long as your all.... right. as I read on the forum once ..... if the new people don't agree with us ... ... we will ignore them and they will go away. The one thing about know it all's...... like this forum is you cant tell t hem nothing. Oh Gary Boothe if that's all you can reply you have just proved my point .. ... you really don't have anything to say or come back with of=0A anything intelligent.... you only read what you want to read. Now you little boys play nice in the sand box..... while the real men vacat e this forum and move on to a non spoon feeding forum. Regards: Bill Bu dgell Cap Aviation Supplies From: Gary Boothe To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday=2C September 3=2C 2014 9:29:54 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans Don=92t lose any sleep=2C Doug. Isn=92t it curious that Mr. Budgell has nev er posted on this forum (at least=2C not for several years)=2C and=2C for h is first post=2C he chooses to rage against all those who offer no guidance =2C faulty guidance=2C yet he has offered nothing after flying his Piet for 600 hrs! Gary BootheNX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics. com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Sent: Wednesday=2C September 03=2C 2014 6:00 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A I certainly hope it wasn't me who peed in your Wheaties. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio From: capaviation1@rogers.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol=0A plans I know you are defending Andrew Pietenpol ....the forum doesn't seem to d o a lot of helping new builders plus all they do is re-engineer the Pietenp ol why do think Andrew Pietenpol isn't on the site ... yet he still cares b ut he's not there anymore and the guy that sells the hinges that vi kapler use to sell because these guys cant be told anything..... they load factor s type of material etc.... what crap I have 600hrs. on kaplers hinges no pr oblem. The forum people don't even know what AC43 manual is.... and come up with BS on what they think they know but in reality they know nothing.. . there some good people on there but I can see anyone with common sense th at makes a statement these people don't listen.... and they pass there BS o n to people that don't know better to walk away. The chatter is stupid I have made a lot of good friends from the site but most have left for exac tly this reason ..... why don't you pass this on to the forum and lets see the=0A BS come back on this. Half of what these people say is wrong and half of what they tell new builders is incorrect this is a simple aircraft to build . and was designed by a good man that had more common sense in his baby fi nger than what I see in this hole forum. It seems that the new way in avi ation and in homebuilding is to spoon feed this new breed..... on every lit tle item If the forum wants to=0A really back the Pietenpol Aircraft then do Andrew Pietenpol the honor of b uilding the plane as per plans and stop the over building and analyzing eve ry dam thing.... and spread some common sense around on the forum. I have never seen so much indecision on the building like I have on this forum I c an go back in the archives and find good information up to a point .... the n from that point you can read the BS from the new age.... so called know i t all's.... It time someone spoke up here... its time to get back to correc t advise to new builders that is backed up and not BS. Regards: Bill Bu dgell AME. Canada Cap Aviation Supplies From: Gary Boothe Sent: Tuesday=2C September 2=2C 2014 9:09:13 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans =93you people=94? Ga ry BootheNX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:ow ner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Budgell Sent: Tuesday=2C September 02=2C 2014 5:52 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans Yes and the way you p eople carry on with his grandfathers design your lucky he still sells the b lueprints=0A . Regards: Bill Budgell Cap Aviation Supplies From: Doug Sent: Tuesday=2C September 2=2C 2014 6:50:56 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans He is more gracious t han most design holder. Certainly more than I would be=2C but nonetheless I would question a person's character who would not purchase plans from the design holder just to save a couple bucks on a $10=2C000+ airplane. This i s no reflection on you...well a little=2C but on the purchaser. Andrew des erves the money as without him there would be no more Piet plans. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans > From: dlplett@swko.net > Date: Mon=2C 1 Sep 2014 11:18:05 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > >From Andrew Pietenpol. > > -------- > Dan Plett > N28WH > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429778#429778 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com/files/image_670.jpg & Archive Search & Download=2C 7-Day Browse=2C Chat=2C FAQ=2C >======================= > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://foru ms.matronics.com/http://www.matronics.com/contribution com/Navigator?Piete npol-List" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://wwwhref=%22http/foru ms.matronics.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">htn" target="_blank " rel="nofollow">http://www.matronics.com/contribution====== ======= ===========st" target= "_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List===== ======http://forums.matronics.com/========= ==="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution====== ===== =0A http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A =0A com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www href="http://forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">ht n" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ==============0A =0A =0A =0A =0A href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com=0A href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/con tribution=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ============0A =0A ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:16 AM PST US From: Bill Budgell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans =0A=0ARegards: Bill Budgell=0A=0ACap Aviation Supplies=0A =0A=0A_________ _______________________=0A From: Doug =0ATo: " pietenpol-list@matronics.com" =0ASent: Wedne sday, September 3, 2014 10:42:36 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A =0A=0A=0A =0AMy dad always said, "If you can't say an ything nice don't say anything at all." Never head him say a bad word abo ut anyone. In this case I'm totally at a loss for words.=0A=0Ado NOT archi ve.=0A=0ADoug Dever=0AIn beautiful Stow Ohio=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________ ________________=0AFrom: kipgohio1957@gmail.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-Li st: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0ADate: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 10:20:43 -0400=0ATo: p ietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A=0AWow, haven't seen anything like that since "The Fisherman" (he of Home Depot lumber and Elmer's glue) told everyone o ff. I hope it makes him feel better.=0A=0AOn Sep 3, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Bil l Budgell wrote:=0A=0AJust the response I thought there would be..... you g uys always have to out do each other ...... as long as your all.... right. =0A>=0A>=0A>as I read on the forum once ..... if the new people don't agree with us ...... we will ignore them and they will go away.=0A>=0A>=0A>The one thing about know it all's...... like this forum is you cant tell them nothing.=0A>=0A>=0A>Oh Gary Boothe if that's all you can reply you have jus t proved my point ..... you really don't have anything to say or come back with of anything intelligent.... you only read what you want to read.=0A> =0A>=0A>Now you little boys play nice in the sand box..... while the real m en vacate this forum and move on to a non spoon feeding forum. =0A>=0A>Reg ards: Bill Budgell=0A>=0A>Cap Aviation Supplies=0A>=0A> =0A>=0A>_________ _______________________=0A> From: Gary Boothe =0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2014 9:29:5 4 AM=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A> =0A>=0A> =0A>Don=99t lose any sleep, Doug. Isn=99t it curious that Mr. B udgell has never posted on this forum (at least, not for several years), an d, for his first post, he chooses to rage against all those who offer no gu idance, faulty guidance, yet he has offered nothing after flying his Piet f or 600 hrs!=0A> =0A>Gary Boothe=0A>NX308MB=0A> =0A>From:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] O n Behalf Of Doug=0A>Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 6:00 AM=0A>To: piet enpol-list@matronics.com=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A> =0A>I certainly hope it wasn't me who peed in your Wheaties.=0A> =0A>Doug Dever=0A>In beautiful Stow Ohio=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>___________________ _____________=0A>=0A>Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 19:47:01 -0700=0A>From: capaviat ion1@rogers.com=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol=0A plans =0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>Yes you people ....( not you as the person) I know you are defending Andrew Pietenpol ....the forum doesn't s eem to do a lot of helping new builders plus all they do is re-engineer the Pietenpol why do think Andrew Pietenpol isn't on the site ... yet he still cares but he's not there anymore and the guy that sells the hinges that vi kapler use to sell because these guys cant be told anything..... they loa d factors type of material etc.... what crap I have 600hrs. on kaplers hing es no problem. =0A> =0A>The forum people don't even know what AC43 manual i s.... and come up with BS on what they think they know but in reality they know nothing... there some good people on there but I can see anyone with common sense that makes a statement these people don't listen.... and they pass there BS on to people that don't know better to walk away. =0A> =0A>T he chatter is stupid I have made a lot of good friends from the site but m ost have left for exactly this reason ..... why don't you pass this on to t he forum and lets see the BS come back on this.=0A> =0A>Half of what these people say is wrong and half of what they tell new builders is incorrect th is is a simple aircraft to build. and was designed by a good man that had more common sense in his baby finger than what I see in this hole forum. =0A> =0A>It seems that the new way in aviation and in homebuilding is to sp oon feed this new breed..... on every little item If the forum wants to re ally back the Pietenpol Aircraft then do Andrew Pietenpol the honor of buil ding the plane as per plans and stop the over building and analyzing every dam thing.... and spread some common sense around on the forum.=0A> =0A>I h ave never seen so much indecision on the building like I have on this forum I can go back in the archives and find good information up to a point .... then from that point you can read the BS from the new age.... so called kn ow it all's.... It time someone spoke up here... its time to get back to co rrect advise to new builders that is backed up and not BS. =0A> =0A>Regard s: Bill Budgell AME. Canada=0A> =0A>Cap Aviation Supplies=0A> =0A>From:Ga ry Boothe =0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0A>Se nt: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 9:09:13 PM=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: R e: Used Pietenpol plans=0A> =0A>=9Cyou people=9D?=0A> =0A>Gary Boothe=0A>NX308MB=0A> =0A>From:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [m ailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Budgell =0A>Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 5:52 PM=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matroni cs.com=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A> =0A>Yes and the way you people carry on with his grandfathers design your lucky he still sells the blueprints .=0A> =0A>Regards: Bill Budgell=0A> =0A>Cap A viation Supplies=0A> =0A>From:Doug =0A>To: "pi etenpol-list@matronics.com" =0A>Sent: Tuesda y, September 2, 2014 6:50:56 PM=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pi etenpol plans=0A> =0A>He is more gracious than most design holder. Certain ly more than I would be, but nonetheless I would question a person's charac ter who would not purchase plans from the design holder just to save a coup le bucks on a $10,000+ airplane. This is no reflection on you...well a litt le, but on the purchaser. Andrew deserves the money as without him there w ould be no more Piet plans.=0A>=0A>Doug Dever=0A>In beautiful Stow Ohio=0A> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A>> From: dlplett@swko .net=0A>> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:18:05 -0700=0A>> To: pietenpol-list@matr @swko.net>=0A>> =0A>> >From Andrew Pietenpol.=0A>> =0A>> --------=0A>> Dan Plett=0A>> N28WH=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> Read this topic online here: =0A>> =0A>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429778#429778=0A> > =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> Attachments: =0A>> =0A>> http://forums.matronics. com/files/image_670.jpg=0A>& Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,=0A>>===================== ====0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>http://w ww.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A>http://forums.matronics.com/ =0A>http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A> =0A>com/Navigator?Pietenpol-L ist" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://wwwhref=%22http/forums.mat ronics.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">htn" target="_blank" rel ="nofollow">http://www.matronics.com/contribution======== ======0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>============0A >st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A >============0A>http://forums.matronics.com/=0A>= ===========0A>="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/cont ribution=0A>============0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>http://www. matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A>http://forums.matronics.com/=0A>h ttp://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A> =0A>com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://wwwhref="http://forums.matroni cs.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">htn" target="_blank" rel="n ofollow">http://www.matronics.com/contribution========= ==== =0A>=0A> =0A>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pie tenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahref="ht tp://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com=0Ahref="http://ww w.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A =0A ============0Ast" target="_blank">http://www.matron ics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A============0Ahttp ://forums.matronics.com=0A============0A="_blank">h ttp://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A=========== ================ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:49 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans From: "Dan P" Wow, this has taken a life of its own not necessarily in a good way. Here is my email to Andrew that got that response. Looking back maybe I should have included with Andrew's reply. > Andrew > I bought a flying Pietenpol with plans. The Piet was damaged in an accident and sold for salvage. I still have the plans. Is it the intent in the sale of the plans that 'one set of plans is to build one air camper'? Is it against the Bernard Pietenpol tradition and the family's wishes for me to sell or even give away my air camper plans? > > Sincerely > > Dan Rather than have everyone (that is interested) scroll back to Andrews reply. > Dear Dan, > > Thank you most graciously for asking. They are yours. Copyright laws do not allow for reproduction and resale. But as they are your set now you can sell your one set to a person who wants to build an airplane or donate. I hope this helps. > > Sincerely > > Andrew Pietenpol It seems a shame to discard a set of plans when possibly there is someone with a damaged sheet or two that could possibly have a better copy. -------- Dan Plett N28WH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429923#429923 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:46 AM PST US From: larharris2 Harris Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Suppport This is the same way I did mine: Seat back glued to the front of the fusela ge brace=3B turtledeck bulkhead glued to the rear of the brace=2C creating the 'step'. Works good. Lorenzo > From: CatDesigns@att.net > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Suppport > Date: Wed=2C 3 Sep 2014 00:40:42 -0700 > > > John > > The rear seat headrest/ turtle deck support glues to the back of the cros s > brace forming the top of the seat. You don't need additional support. T he > support comes from the stringers on the turtle deck and make very ridged. If > you glue it to the back of the of the upper cross brace it will give you > room to run cockpit padding along the rear head rest. > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:29:51 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 12 rebuildable Corvair engines 20 miles from B-head What are the best cores to have? I found a guy locally that has advertised 2 RH cases with 9409 cranks and 3 "correct" cylinder heads for $500. Would it be worth it if they are in decent shape? Rodney Hall ---- William Wynne wrote: > > Builders, > > This E-mail came to me today. I don't know him personally, but it sounds like he has many of the correct engines to build for a Pietenpol. The note is also a good indication of how many Corvair cores are left. Its nice to think that someone who buys one of these engines will fly back over the same spot on the way to Brodhead in a few years. -ww. > > ----------------------------- > > William, > > Came across your website and thought I'd forward you my contact info if you know > of anyone looking for corvair engines. > > I Just recently purchased three trailer loads of corvair parts from an auction > in Beloit, WI, 90 year old guy sold everything out. I mostly was bidding against > scrap dealers, even though I'm not a corvair guy, I didn't want to see the > engines and parts scrapped. a dozen plus complete engines that include:RZ, RB, > RD, RG, RH, YB, YN, Z, ZF types. A number of other parts too. > > If you know of anyone that's looking for anything particular, I may be able to > help. Everything is located in Janesville, WI. > > Joe Conway > (608) 322-0974 > Local311joe@gmail.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429563#429563 > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:50 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 12 rebuildable Corvair engines 20 miles from B-head From: "bdewenter" Rodney, My advice is to purchase entire core engines - not cases and heads. You need most of the core parts to be rebuilt and you want certain pieces of the the sheet metal for shrouding the engine. Not to mention valve covers, distributor, etc, etc. I'm not up on current prices but i think $200-$250 these days for a "complete" core is reasonable. I paid $100 10 years ago. If you have purchased the conversion manual from W Wynn you will know what engine codes are best and which are to be avoided. His videos are very good as well. -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429930#429930 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:00 AM PST US From: Doug Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans You did include his response in the post a while back. Which is why I said what I did. If someone had a damaged page or 2 most of us one here would be happy to copy ours for someone. However most who would purchase a compl ete set used would just be interested in saving a couple bucks. I certainl y would not consider it=2C but that is me. Others in the industry won't ev en offer support for someone doing this. Just my opinion. And you know wh at they say about opinions. :) Do not archive Doug Dever =0A In beautiful Stow Ohio > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans > From: dlplett@swko.net > Date: Wed=2C 3 Sep 2014 08:05:32 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > Wow=2C this has taken a life of its own not necessarily in a good way. > > Here is my email to Andrew that got that response. Looking back maybe I should have included with Andrew's reply. > > > Andrew > > I bought a flying Pietenpol with plans. The Piet was damaged in an acc ident and sold for salvage. I still have the plans. Is it the intent in the sale of the plans that 'one set of plans is to build one air camper'? Is it against the Bernard Pietenpol tradition and the family's wishes for m e to sell or even give away my air camper plans? > > > > Sincerely > > > > Dan > > > Rather than have everyone (that is interested) scroll back to Andrews rep ly. > > > > > Dear Dan=2C > > > > Thank you most graciously for asking. They are yours. Copyright laws do not allow for reproduction and resale. But as they are your set now you can sell your one set to a person who wants to build an airplane or donate. I hope this helps. > > > > Sincerely > > > > Andrew Pietenpol > > > It seems a shame to discard a set of plans when possibly there is someone with a damaged sheet or two that could possibly have a better copy. > > -------- > Dan Plett > N28WH > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429923#429923 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tool stock planned 19-22 February. From: "bdewenter" I'll be there! Hide your welder from Terry and me :) -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429933#429933 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:36:18 AM PST US From: larharris2 Harris Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tool stock planned 19-22 February. I'll plan to be there Fri & Sat. I certainly won't be flying mine yet=2C bu t I'll plan to bring some of the big pieces for show-and-tell. Lorenzo=2C Tellico Plains=2C TN ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:52 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tool stock planned 19-22 February. From: "tools" Should have a fantastically gifted aircraft welder coming from middle Georgia to help folks. So no problem! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429937#429937 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:46:05 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tool stock planned 19-22 February. From: "tools" Lorenzo, That's great! Bringing along a project? I'll make sure we can fit whatever you bring under cover or inside. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429938#429938 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:39:45 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rants From: "gsnewsome" After reading through the referenced thread, I agree with your recommendation. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429939#429939 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Anybody move the inboard rib slightly outboard....?!!?!? From: "aerocarjake" Hello good Piet-ple, I am in the process of building up the inboard ends and the center section of the wing. If I read the plans correctly, one of the bolts that holds the metal attach strap is directly in line with the inboard end rib. Since I am using a solid plywood end rib, I would not be able to get that bolt in or out. So has anyone else moved the rib slightly outboard - as I show in the attached photo - so the the bolt is accessible...?!?!? And if I do that, is there somewhere else I may be getting in trouble if I do this...??!? thanks..... BTW, proof it does RAIN in Seattle.... (airplane building season!) -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429943#429943 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/imag1933_1_118.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/seattle_rain_192.jpg ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:14:46 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans From: "Dan P" Doug You question ethics with "one set of plans one airplane". Yet when that is proven incorrect by Andrews email you keep defending your incorrect position. Like it or not that is Andrews position. A standup guy would have posted ' I stand corrected' and moved on. Yes had he emailed me 'one set one plane' I would have posted that also. There is really no reason to rehash your position with me. Andrews reply stated his position. It wasn't mine. If you feel the need to disagree with his email I suggest you contact him. You stated "If someone had a damaged page or 2 most of us one here would be happy to copy ours for someone". Now that appears to violate copy write laws. Dan > You did include his response in the post a while back. Which is why I said what I did. If someone had a damaged page or 2 most of us one here would be happy to copy ours for someone. However most who would purchase a complete set used would just be interested in saving a couple bucks. I certainly would not consider it, but that is me. Others in the industry won't even offer support for someone doing this. Just my opinion. And you know what they say about opinions. > > Do not archive > Doug Dever > In beautiful Stow Ohio > > -------- Dan Plett N28WH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429945#429945 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:56 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Anybody move the inboard rib slightly outboard....?!!?!? From: "Bill Church" Jake, If you read the plans correctly, you'll also see that there aren't any solid plywood ribs. :) Yes, you are reading the plans correctly when you say that one of the mounting bolts for the spar butt joint straps does fall in the space occupied by the inboard rib. Just not sure why you would ever need to remove that bolt. However, if you wanted to keep that option open, you could notch out a space in your plywood rib to allow you to do that. If you move that rib further outboard, you will be increasing the gap between wing and centersection that needs to be bridged (usually with a strip of aluminum.) In looking at your photo, your plywood rib appears to be about 1/4" thick. I think you will need to add some reinforcement to that rib for it to be able to resist the lateral forces that will be imposed on it by the fabric as it shrinks. The plywood will not be as rigid as the built-up Spruce rib. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429949#429949 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/rib_311.jpg ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:31 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Anybody move the inboard rib slightly outboard....?!!?!? From: "aerocarjake" Thanks Bill.... yes, I will have to reinforce the plywood rib. I did not build my wing (bought it from a gentleman who had started a Piet and then sold it) so I do not have a rib jig. Since every jig is slightly different, I made my plywood ribs EXACTLY the same contour as the already built-up ribs. I also figure it'll be nice to have those end ribs closed off as some other folks have done as well....?!?!? I had not thought to make a cutout for the bolt and just "leave it in there" after I glued in the rib.... interesting thought worth some further consideration - thx. -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429950#429950 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:40 PM PST US From: Doug Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans Evidently missed my point. Didn't question your ethics. :) Doug Dever =0A In beautiful Stow Ohio > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans > From: dlplett@swko.net > Date: Wed=2C 3 Sep 2014 17:14:28 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > Doug > You question ethics with "one set of plans one airplane". Yet when that is proven incorrect by Andrews email you keep defending your incorrect pos ition. Like it or not that is Andrews position. A standup guy would have posted ' I stand corrected' and moved on. Yes had he emailed me 'one set o ne plane' I would have posted that also. > > There is really no reason to rehash your position with me. Andrews repl y stated his position. It wasn't mine. If you feel the need to disagree w ith his email I suggest you contact him. > > You stated "If someone had a damaged page or 2 most of us one here would be happy to copy ours for someone". Now that appears to violate copy write laws. > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > You did include his response in the post a while back. =EF=BDWhich i s why I said what I did. =EF=BDIf someone had a damaged page or 2 most o f us one here would be happy to copy ours for someone. =EF=BDHowever mos t who would purchase a complete set used would just be interested in saving a couple bucks. =EF=BDI certainly would not consider it=2C but that is me. =EF=BDOthers in the industry won't even offer support for someone do ing this. =EF=BDJust my opinion. =EF=BDAnd you know what they say abo ut opinions. =EF=BD > > > > Do not archive > > Doug Dever > > In beautiful Stow Ohio > > > > > > > -------- > Dan Plett > N28WH > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429945#429945 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.