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1. 04:19 AM - Re: Re: tarp (Jack)
2. 07:12 AM - Re: Used Pietenpol plans (TriScout)
3. 08:25 AM - Re: 12 rebuildable Corvair engines 20 miles from B-head (Dan P)
4. 08:30 AM - Re: More Smoke (Dan P)
5. 09:15 AM - Re: Re: More Smoke (Gary Boothe)
6. 09:43 AM - Louvres (John Fastnaught)
7. 09:44 AM - Louvres (John Fastnaught)
8. 10:03 AM - Re: Eyesight now Holiday Inn for Air Races (Dan P)
9. 10:30 AM - one way of installing cowling louvers (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
10. 11:28 AM - Re: W & B, CG, and LG location question (GrantZ)
11. 11:29 AM - Gap Seals (Charles N. Campbell)
12. 11:30 AM - Re: Tool stock planned 19-22 February. (GrantZ)
13. 11:39 AM - Re: Gap Seals (Gary Boothe)
14. 11:50 AM - Re: Gap Seals (Ben Charvet)
15. 12:26 PM - Re: Gap Seals (Charles N. Campbell)
16. 12:55 PM - Re: Louvres (bdewenter)
17. 02:11 PM - Any Piets/Builders in the Florence SC area? (Jim Markle)
18. 02:42 PM - Re: Tool stock planned 19-22 February. (tools)
19. 03:14 PM - Re: Re: Louvres (Fastnaught John)
20. 05:48 PM - Re: Any Piets/Builders in the Florence SC area? (TriScout)
21. 06:13 PM - Re: Gap Seals (Andre B. Charvet)
22. 06:30 PM - Any Piets at Triple Tree? (woodflier)
23. 08:05 PM - Re: Any Piets/Builders in the Florence SC area? (William Wynne)
24. 09:58 PM - Re: W & B, CG, and LG location question (William Wynne)
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Beautiful ship and young lady. Douwe, is your gas cap vent on backwards?
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| Subject: | Re: Used Pietenpol plans |
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| Subject: | Re: 12 rebuildable Corvair engines 20 miles from B-head |
If I weren't 900 miles away---------------
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Dan Plett
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Gary, maybe I overlooked it. What pump are you using?
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It's a windshield washer tank and pump that fit my dimensions. I think it's a Toyota.
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Douwe,
Your plane is beautiful. I'm just about ready to assemble mine and have at least
one dilemma to solve. I see in the picture you have louvres in your cowling.
I need to install some in my lower cowling. Could you give me some hints on how
to install them ( jigs, techniques, problems, etc). Any help would be greatly
appreciated.
Thanks,
Jack
Ford powered
N144JF
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Douwe,
Your plane is beautiful. I'm just about ready to assemble mine and have at least
one dilemma to solve. I see in the picture you have louvres in your cowling.
I need to install some in my lower cowling. Could you give me some hints on how
to install them ( jigs, techniques, problems, etc). Any help would be greatly
appreciated.
Thanks,
Jack
Ford powered
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> On Sep 4, 2014, at 7:18 AM, Jack <jack@textors.com> wrote:
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I wish one of my 4 daughters would take interest in our hobby.
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| Subject: | Re: Eyesight now Holiday Inn for Air Races |
Thanks Steve. I'll pass that on to the travel coordinator. :D
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Dan Plett
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| Subject: | one way of installing cowling louvers |
John-here's how I installed my louvers in my 2024 T3 cowling. I found a
local machine shop (from car show guys at car shows)
who had louvers punched in their hot rod hoods and the shop had various si
zed dies but they tore the edges of the 2024 material.
I gave the shop 000 dead soft aluminum and the louvers punched very cleanly
. The attached photos show how I then attached the 000 aluminum
to the cowling in 3 areas and after almost 500 hours of flying and 16 years
there have been no cracks in the vents.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: W & B, CG, and LG location question |
William,
Here is the additional info you requested:
MML: I have not yet built my motor mount so I can make it so that MML is 33".
Prop flange to rearmost protrusion on the motor is about 29-3/4" so 33" will
be about right.
PSL: 80". Difference is due to additional 2" in first bay plus I raked the seat
back a little more for comfort. I am using a 1/4" ply firewall.
Thanks again for your assistance.
Grant Ziebell
Savannah, TN
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If I can find some 1" square balsa wood I'm planning to make gap seals for
my elevators and rudder. I already have full-length piano hinges for the
ailerons which will provide gap seals for the ailerons. My question is
this. Which is best, putting the gap seal on the elevators and rudder or
on the vertical and horizontal stabilizer? Or does it matter which? It
seems from a non-aeronautical perspective that the seal would be better on
the movable surfaces. Anyone have any experience with this type of seal?
Another question just popped into my mind. Rather than use balsa could
the seal be made from plastic foam? The seals would be covered during the
covering process, but would the foam be too prone to being dented by dings
of some sort? Any insight into this would be appreciated. Chuck
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| Subject: | Re: Tool stock planned 19-22 February. |
Tools,
Please count me in!
Grant Ziebell
Savannah TN
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Don't think you need gap seals for any part of the tail....plenty of elevato
r and rudder control.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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> On Sep 4, 2014, at 11:29 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924@gm
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> If I can find some 1" square balsa wood I'm planning to make gap seals for
my elevators and rudder. I already have full-length piano hinges for the a
ilerons which will provide gap seals for the ailerons. My question is this.
Which is best, putting the gap seal on the elevators and rudder or on the v
ertical and horizontal stabilizer? Or does it matter which? It seems from a
non-aeronautical perspective that the seal would be better on the movable s
urfaces. Anyone have any experience with this type of seal? Another questi
on just popped into my mind. Rather than use balsa could the seal be made f
rom plastic foam? The seals would be covered during the covering process, b
ut would the foam be too prone to being dented by dings of some sort? Any i
nsight into this would be appreciated. Chuck
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I made gap seals out of the same douglas fir I built the rest of the
plane with,glued between the Vi Kapler hinges. After covering and
assembly I sealed the gap with clear duct tape trimmed to the proper
width, attached to the bottom side of both horizontal stab and
elevators. Since I had the per plans barn door hinges on my ailerons, I
did the same method to seal them too. The clear duct tape has been in
place for over 4 years now and is still holding up. Its not obvious at
all. I've never heard it was necessary to do the rudder.
Ben
On 9/4/2014 2:29 PM, Charles N. Campbell wrote:
> If I can find some 1" square balsa wood I'm planning to make gap seals
> for my elevators and rudder. I already have full-length piano hinges
> for the ailerons which will provide gap seals for the ailerons. My
> question is this. Which is best, putting the gap seal on the
> elevators and rudder or on the vertical and horizontal stabilizer? Or
> does it matter which? It seems from a non-aeronautical perspective
> that the seal would be better on the movable surfaces. Anyone have
> any experience with this type of seal? Another question just popped
> into my mind. Rather than use balsa could the seal be made from
> plastic foam? The seals would be covered during the covering process,
> but would the foam be too prone to being dented by dings of some sort?
> Any insight into this would be appreciated. Chuck
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Parrish Medical center
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OK! Thanks, Gary and Ben. I'm using the type hinges on my rudder and
elevators that were shown on the GN-1 plans. I had a set of those before I
got the Pietenpol plans. The gap is probably wider than the Piet gaps.
That was the reason that I figured I might need seals. The gaps are
1-inch wide and if my reading the plans is correct the Piet hinges would
yield a 1/2-inch gap. I hadn't thought of the transparent tape. Where on
earth did you get transparent duct tape? Did you use any method of
attaching the tape other than the glue on the tape? Chuck
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
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> my elevators and rudder. I already have full-length piano hinges for the
> ailerons which will provide gap seals for the ailerons. My question is
> this. Which is best, putting the gap seal on the elevators and rudder or
> on the vertical and horizontal stabilizer? Or does it matter which? It
> seems from a non-aeronautical perspective that the seal would be better on
> the movable surfaces. Anyone have any experience with this type of seal?
> Another question just popped into my mind. Rather than use balsa could
> the seal be made from plastic foam? The seals would be covered during the
> covering process, but would the foam be too prone to being dented by dings
> of some sort? Any insight into this would be appreciated. Chuck
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In addition to what Douwe can provide, Mike Cuy provided several drawing on west
cost piet
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Mike%20Cuy%20A-65%20Piet/mike_cuy_3.htm
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| Subject: | Any Piets/Builders in the Florence SC area? |
I may have a trip to the area coming up soon....can probably fly into Charlotte
or Raleigh.
I'll buy dinner.... :-)
Jim in Pryor
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| Subject: | Re: Tool stock planned 19-22 February. |
Consider yourself counted. However, please note it's not necessary! I do like feedback
to help plan, but it's an open event. Welcome to camp, crash, bring a
cot, elbow your way into a room, whatever!
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You guys have been very helpful. This is what the list is all about. people helping
people.
Thanks again,
Jack
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| Subject: | Re: Any Piets/Builders in the Florence SC area? |
If you're up for it.. while in Florence, SC..look up Dr. James Hodges. He has 413
hrs in my GN-1, until he wrecked it May 17, 2000 while taking off there. I
bought the airframe a decade later after Fred Dexter rebuilt it (restorer of wrong
way Corrigan's Curtis Robin) He may have some good flying stories. He currently
flies a Pober Pixie. I spoke with him briefly after I bought said airframe
and he sent me the wreck photos. His #843-669-4963
Larry
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| Subject: | Any Piets at Triple Tree? |
I'm flying 629ML down to Triple Tree tomorrow. Any pireps from other Pieter's there
much appreciated.
Matt Paxton
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| Subject: | Re: Any Piets/Builders in the Florence SC area? |
Jim,
It may be a little out of your way, but Barnwell SC is about 120 miles from Florence,
and it is the home of the Pietenpols of PF Beck and Don Harper. You can
get a look at Don's plane at this link:
http://flycorvair.net/2013/01/17/nwe-pietenpol-2700-corvair-don-harper-sc/
And there are a number of Photos of PF and his plane at this story about the 'Cherry
Grove Trophy' which we award to the Corvair pilot of the year. (We awarded
it to PF in 2011, and Kevin Purtee and Shelley Tumino in 2012.) :
http://flycorvair.net/2013/01/18/the-cherry-grove-trophy/
For the 5th consecutive year we are holding the November college at Barnwell, on
the 7-9th. PF has said he would like to have more Piets there, of all engine
persuasions. You can read about it at this link:
http://flycorvair.net/2014/06/19/corvair-college-30-and-31-sign-up-now-open/
William
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| Subject: | Re: W & B, CG, and LG location question |
Grant,
Here is the rough (+ or - 3/4") basic CG for your plane. We can work this a little
closer with a fine calculation in a second part, but you could easily build
with confidence off this data.
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Looking at the differences: One way to look at having 2" in the front fuselage
bay is to consider it as having a motor mount that is 2" longer. In the first
part of the series that Ryan and I wrote, we showed that making a loner motor
mount has far less effect than most people think. In the sample we did, moving
an A-65 4" forward netted only a 1" change in the EWCG. On your aircraft, having
the engine sitting 2" further forward will roughly produce only a 1/2" forward
shift over Kevin's installation, not much, and it is in a favorable direction.
.
On your Pilot Seat Location, as you mentioned, a small part of the difference is
leaning the seat back. This will not produce a substantial pilot CG shift, at
only part of the pilots mass is leaning back, and then it is only moving half
the distance that the top of the seat back is shifted, if you left the seat
bottom in the plans location. This difference is negligible, even with a 225 pound
pilot.
.
If you look at the Corvair notes for Kevin's plane (#3), you can see the leading
edge of his wing is 12.625" behind the firewall. To simulate this location on
your longer fuselage, you could set your leading edge at 14.625" If the #3 pilot
weight range is 151-310 pounds, this would look like 165-325 with your longer
fuselage. That's not bad, because it would put you flying at 225 pounds in
the middle of the Pietenpol's 15-20" CG range. There is no benefit to just squeaking
in the aft end of the range, you are far better off operating in the
middle of it.
.
The #3 planes landing gear is 5.5" behind the leading edge, or 5.5 + 12.625" =
18.125" behind the firewall. If you wanted yours in the same spot, it would be
20.125" back from your firewall. Personally, I think this is too far back. If
you are using 6x6's with hyd. brakes, putting the axle at your leading edge would
make it 14.625" aft of your firewall. the furthest back I would consider
putting it is 17.625" behind your firewall.
.
For the second part of this, the fine calculation, I am going to need to retrieve
some raw data from Ryan's archives. Starting with the weight on the scales
of plane #3, we can do an exact calculation to account for the shift in engine
position caused by having a 2" longer fuselage. The math on this will look like
this:
1) Retrieve EWCG of plane #3
2) Remove 250 pounds of engine/prop/cowl from its CG location 24" ahead of the
firewall 250x(24" + the 12.625" for FW to LE)
3) Replace the 250 pound motor installation 2" forward 250 x (24" + 14.625")
4) Recalculate aircraft CG location with 225 pilot.
5) Recalculate Min and Max allowable pilot weights.
.
The fine tuned calculation should be within a half inch of the measured CG of the
plane when it is done. You can hit a lot closer than this if we were dealing
with a comparison between two metal kit aircraft, but builder variations on
Piet's don't allow that level of prediction. Still, even the rough first stage
plan outlined above is vastly better than the pilots who had a rude awakening
when their planes hit the scales, and they found out that 30 minutes of reading
and planning is a lot easier than weeks of moving the wing, or building new
gear or both.
.
BTW, here is a good look at one of our powder coated, high thrust line mounts. It is on Mark Chouinard's plane. http://flycorvair.net/2013/10/17/pietenpol-mount-on-airframe/ We make all of these mounts are 33" MML. The is the same mount that is also on Kevin Purtee's, Bob Dewenter's, Terry Hand's, Dave Aldrich's and Jim Boyer's builds.-ww.
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