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1. 01:06 AM - Re: latex paint (William Wynne)
2. 03:53 AM - Re: Re: By butt & butt joints (Michael Perez)
3. 06:45 AM - See you at Barnwell SC. (William Wynne)
4. 06:49 AM - Red Bull Air races report (Steven Dortch)
5. 06:55 AM - A-65 for sale on Barnstormers--of possible interest (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
6. 07:02 AM - Another A-65, decent price----O SMOH on Barnstormers (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
7. 10:08 AM - Help With AC 8050-88 (Michael Perez)
8. 10:23 AM - Re: Red Bull Air races report (curtdm(at)gmail.com)
9. 10:49 AM - Re: Help With AC 8050-88 (Charles N. Campbell)
10. 04:01 PM - Re: Red Bull Air races report (Dan P)
11. 05:50 PM - And another one from Evergreen (Boatright, Jeffrey)
12. 06:14 PM - Re: Help With AC 8050-88 (Ryan Mueller)
13. 09:50 PM - Re: Obligatory Pic (aerocarjake)
14. 09:54 PM - Playing with the text keys - enjoy.... (aerocarjake)
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One of the real hazards of spraying actual nitrocellulose dope is the chemicals
getting the unprotected sprayer 'stoned' or 'high'. This effect can cause the
person to appear to be drunk, and say bigoted things and loose their grasp on
punctuation and spelling, and even loose the ability to count.
.........
One of the great things about latex or water based systems is that this hazard
is eliminated. Thus, if a person working with Latex systems makes statements that
sound intoxicated or bigoted, it is because they are a drunk and a bigot,
and the effect can't be blamed of the covering system.
...........
$2,300 will buy 10 gallons of Stits Aero-thane or 20 gallons of Stits Poly-tone
in the color Daytona Cream. A Heath Parasol is a tiny plane about fifty percent
of the surface area of a Cub. It takes 5 gallons of color to do a thick coat
on a Cub.
............
If you have ever seen my 'zero tolerance tor offensive speech' note about Corvair
Colleges and wondered what kind of person is not welcome at our events, wonder
no longer...... ww.
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| Subject: | Re: By butt & butt joints |
Jack, the cut out area in question is there so that the push/pull tube setup I
am using will have clearance to move. This picture, dated 2010, is an "in work"
picture and does not show the completed seat with the added supports and framing.
The two pictures in my original post were the only ones I had to show the
additional gussets I used for the spruce supports. The seat plywood is 1/4"
glued in place.
If God is your co-pilot, switch seats
Mike Perez
Karetaker Aero
Construction complete! (8/2014)
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| Subject: | See you at Barnwell SC. |
Builders,
We have only one week to Corvair College#30 in MO, so it is out to the shop on
100% duty cycle. The sign up for #30 has been full for several weeks, but if you
are a Piet guy, Corvair College #31 and Barnwell with PF Beck and his crew
is not only the next event, (November 7-9th) but has the highest density of Piet
builders and flying Piets on our calendar.
.
PF has said many times that all Piets are welcome, and even if you are not a Corvair
builder, there is a lot to be gained at the event. Don Harper's and PF's
Piets are based there, We will have the fuselage, mount and gear on display
for Terry Hands steel tube Piet, I have invited Bob Lester to fly his up from
Florida, and there will be a number of better known Piet builders on hand. If
you are building a Piet, but have never flown in one, come on down, PF Will remedy
that, as he has flown more than 250 people in his plane.
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When I signed up for this list 6 months ago, I had the following simple goals:
1) Have more people understand Doc Mosher's great contribution to the Piet Community.
2) Have more builders look at the 3 safety points, diagonal cabanes, fuel lines
and CG.
3) Get more people to look at and understand the power of the CG data to plan and
build their plane with confidence.
4) Have builders understand that it is fine to be a 'low and slow' guy, but there
are many builders who like planning and getting more out of their planes and
the time they spend building them. Homebuilding is a very rich mine, and the
deeper you dig the more you get out of it. If you want to do more than scratch
the surface, know that there are others of the same mindset to guide you and
be of assistance.
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Dowe is right, there are a lot of benefits to people staying positive. The only
exception I might validly make is plain speaking about things that directly effect
the safety of others. I don't much care if people knowingly take risks,
but it is that knowing part which is the rub, and their non-pilot passengers always
fit in the category of "unknowing risk taker."
.
Some people didn't understand why I named the builder who put cast pistons in his
engine, they thought I should have told him privately. Basically I did, by
writing it all over our manuals and website, and I even had the builder at Corvair
College #20 where he saw that every other person was using forged pistons,
but he instead followed his 'local expert'. Naming him here was round three,
after the first two failed. Look at it backwards: If your kid was in that plane
on a young eagles flight when the head comes off the cast Chinese piston, and
you found out that I knew about it in advance but didn't say anything because
I was trying to be 'nice', how mad would you be?
.
There is value in plainly speaking, but not for most builders, who are not listening.
The value is to myself, so I don't later ever have to sit on the front
porch at night and regret not having spoken up.
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Hope to see many of you at Barnwell. -ww.
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| Subject: | Red Bull Air races report |
Got to meet Curt Merdan from Flower Mound, Texas there. Nice guy, Looks too
tall to fit in a Piet.
My best guess was that between 35,000 and 45,000 showed up. 1/2 of the
stands were not used as a safety area. the other half were less than half
full. I hope that is enough to get them to come back next year. Then again,
how do they charge money in other venues? Other places the races are in the
open over rivers or lakes.
My guess is that almost every pilot within 200 miles was there, plus a lot
from all over, but not many of the non flying public. Everyone setting
around me was a pilot or with a pilot except for one lady who just liked
the races.
Almost all had a "pilot" hat or tshirt on. IE EAA, AOPA, aircraft brand, or
Poker run logos.
Races were good. we had "reserved seats" in the open with plastic seat
backs and arm rests. I selected not under the cover so I could see up and
paid the price by setting in the sun until 1:45. Planes were not close
enough to be noisy, but the speakers were still set to compete with NASCAR,
so we wore our earplugs. race planes took 1 min to do two laps at 100 to
227MPH. A piet would have needed a calendar.
Grandson (a wingnut) and Dr buddy (NASCAR Fan) enjoyed the races.
EAA young eagles was there handing out flyers to young eagles flights. Also
the aviation museum and it's supporters had an old Thorp T18 that they had
cut 4 foot off of each wing so that they could easily trailer and display
it. Kids were encouraged to climb in and out and play with the controls
vigerously. Great motivation.
The Vision jet mockup was there. Big single engine single pilot Vtail jet,
with 7 seats. (staff said 5 plus 2) Slick. $1.9 million.
Jet mockup was funny to get close to, Engine fan was really just a photo
cutout, all control surfaces were just pinstripes, not real controls. Fuse
sat on an electric powered 4 wheel dolly that was coverd with a black
cloth. Built to pull apart and stick in the trailer.
Had a good time, will go again if I can.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | A-65 for sale on Barnstormers--of possible interest |
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| Subject: | Another A-65, decent price----O SMOH on Barnstormers |
Of possible interest to those interested in using or needing a Continental
engine for their Pietenpol. I was in the market recently to purchase an
overhauled A-65 as my engine is now in a run out condition but decided to
do a major overhaul (like I did on my current flying engine 16 years ago) o
n an engine I picked up in Michigan last fall instead.
Mike C. Ohio
0SMOH A65-8<http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_931983_0SMOH+A65-8.html>
* $4,100 * SALE FELL THROUGH * 0SMOH A65-8 engine for sale. Engine was ove
rhauled some time ago but properly stored. Inside is shiny and oily. New ch
rome cylinder assemblies. Log book with proper entry. Does not include mags
, carb or oil tank. I will crate for shipping. Located in Sturgis, SD Bruce
Bowen 605-490-1139 * Contact Bruce Bowen<http://www.barnstormers.com/conta
ct_seller.php?to=130877&id=931983&title=0SMOH+A65-8&return=%2Flisti
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| Subject: | Help With AC 8050-88 |
I would like to fill out the AFFIDAVIT OF OWNERSHIP FOR AMATEUR-BUILT AND OTHER
NON-TYPE CERTIFICATED AIRCRAFT, However, I am not quite sure which box I should
check. (shown below.) One states amateur built and the other states experimental,
other than amateur built. I guess I mostly question why the first is not
considered experimental.
MUST CHECK ONE
More than 50% of the above-described aircraft was built from miscellaneous parts
and I am the owner. (This option is for aircraft
eligible for amateur-built certification.)
I certify that the above-described aircraft is a newly built non-type certificated
aircraft and is not currently registered in another
country. (This option
is for aircraft eligible for experimental certification other than amateur-built.)
If God is your co-pilot, switch seats
Mike Perez
Karetaker Aero
Construction complete! (8/2014)
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| Subject: | Re: Red Bull Air races report |
Looks are deceiving! I'll squeeze into any Piet seat offered to me!
Great to meet you too, Steve! I'm excited to hear/see your plane in the air very
soon.
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Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Help With AC 8050-88 |
Mike, I'm almost certain that the first one is the one you want to check.
The "...more than 50%..." gives it away. Chuck
On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> I would like to fill out the AFFIDAVIT OF OWNERSHIP FOR AMATEUR-BUILT AND
> OTHER NON-TYPE CERTIFICATED AIRCRAFT, However, I am not quite sure which
> box I should check. (shown below.) One states amateur built and the other
> states experimental, other than amateur built. I guess I mostly question
> why the first is not considered experimental.
>
>
> MUST CHECK ONE
>
> More than 50% of the above-described aircraft was built from miscellaneous
> parts and I am the owner. (This option is for aircraft
> eligible for amateur-built certification.)
>
> I certify that the above-described aircraft is a newly built non-type
> certificated aircraft and is not currently registered in another
> country. (This option is for aircraft eligible for experimental
> certification other than amateur-built.)
>
>
> If God is your co-pilot, switch seats
> Mike Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> Construction complete! (8/2014)
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Red Bull Air races report |
That mirrors our experience. We were just left of the start/finish line up in
backed seats. The Fort Worth race will be aired 9-15 @ 6:30 on Fox.
[quote="steven.d.dortch(at)gmail."]Got to meet Curt Merdan from Flower Mound, Texasthere.
Nice guy, Looks too tall to fit in a Piet.
My best guess was that between 35,000 and 45,000 showed up. 1/2 of the stands
were not used as a safety area. the other half were less than half full. I hope
that is enough to get them to come back next year. Then again, how do they charge
money in other venues? Other places the races are in the open over rivers
or lakes.
My guess is that almost every pilot within 200 miles was there, plus a lot from
all over, but not many of the non flying public. Everyone setting around me
was a pilot or with a pilot except for one lady who just liked the races.
Almost all had a "pilot" hat or tshirt on. IE EAA, AOPA, aircraft brand, or Poker
run logos.
Races were good. we had "reserved seats" in the open withplastic seat backs and
arm rests. I selected not under the cover so I could see up and paid the price
by setting in the sununtil 1:45. Planes were not close enough to be noisy,
but the speakers were still set to compete with NASCAR, so we wore our earplugs.
race planes took 1 min to do two laps at 100 to 227MPH. A piet would have needed
a calendar.
Grandson (a wingnut) and Dr buddy (NASCAR Fan) enjoyed the races.
EAA young eagles was there handing out flyers to young eagles flights. Also the
aviation museum and it's supporters had an old Thorp T18 that they had cut 4
foot off of each wing so that they could easily trailer anddisplay it. Kids were
encouraged to climb in and out and play with the controls vigerously. Great
motivation.
The Vision jet mockupwas there. Big single engine single pilot Vtail jet, with
7 seats. (staff said 5 plus 2) Slick.$1.9 million.
Jet mockup was funny to get close to, Engine fan was really just a photo cutout,
all control surfaceswere just pinstripes, not real controls. Fuse sat on an
electric powered 4 wheel dolly that was coverd with a black cloth. Built to pull
apart and stick in the trailer.
Had a good time, will go again if I can.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
> [b]
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Dan Plett
N28WH
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| Subject: | And another one from Evergreen |
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| Subject: | Re: Help With AC 8050-88 |
https://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/ultralights/amateur_built/aw/
As noted, "an amateur-built aircraft is eligible for a special
airworthiness certificate in the experimental category for the purpose of
operating amateur-built aircraft". Experimental is implicit in the
definition, therefore it is not explicitly stated again in the first two
selections. Of those two selections, the first one applies to you, as you
did not build a kit:
"More than 50% of the above-described aircraft was built from miscellaneous
parts and I am the owner. (This option is for aircraft eligible for
amateur-built certification.)"
-Ryan
On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> I would like to fill out the AFFIDAVIT OF OWNERSHIP FOR AMATEUR-BUILT AND
> OTHER NON-TYPE CERTIFICATED AIRCRAFT, However, I am not quite sure which
> box I should check. (shown below.) One states amateur built and the other
> states experimental, other than amateur built. I guess I mostly question
> why the first is not considered experimental.
>
>
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VERY nice.....!
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| Subject: | Playing with the text keys - enjoy.... |
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