---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/08/14: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:06 AM - Re: latex paint (William Wynne) 2. 03:53 AM - Re: Re: By butt & butt joints (Michael Perez) 3. 06:45 AM - See you at Barnwell SC. (William Wynne) 4. 06:49 AM - Red Bull Air races report (Steven Dortch) 5. 06:55 AM - A-65 for sale on Barnstormers--of possible interest (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 6. 07:02 AM - Another A-65, decent price----O SMOH on Barnstormers (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 7. 10:08 AM - Help With AC 8050-88 (Michael Perez) 8. 10:23 AM - Re: Red Bull Air races report (curtdm(at)gmail.com) 9. 10:49 AM - Re: Help With AC 8050-88 (Charles N. Campbell) 10. 04:01 PM - Re: Red Bull Air races report (Dan P) 11. 05:50 PM - And another one from Evergreen (Boatright, Jeffrey) 12. 06:14 PM - Re: Help With AC 8050-88 (Ryan Mueller) 13. 09:50 PM - Re: Obligatory Pic (aerocarjake) 14. 09:54 PM - Playing with the text keys - enjoy.... (aerocarjake) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:06:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: latex paint From: "William Wynne" One of the real hazards of spraying actual nitrocellulose dope is the chemicals getting the unprotected sprayer 'stoned' or 'high'. This effect can cause the person to appear to be drunk, and say bigoted things and loose their grasp on punctuation and spelling, and even loose the ability to count. ......... One of the great things about latex or water based systems is that this hazard is eliminated. Thus, if a person working with Latex systems makes statements that sound intoxicated or bigoted, it is because they are a drunk and a bigot, and the effect can't be blamed of the covering system. ........... $2,300 will buy 10 gallons of Stits Aero-thane or 20 gallons of Stits Poly-tone in the color Daytona Cream. A Heath Parasol is a tiny plane about fifty percent of the surface area of a Cub. It takes 5 gallons of color to do a thick coat on a Cub. ............ If you have ever seen my 'zero tolerance tor offensive speech' note about Corvair Colleges and wondered what kind of person is not welcome at our events, wonder no longer...... ww. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430178#430178 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:53:45 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: By butt & butt joints Jack, the cut out area in question is there so that the push/pull tube setup I am using will have clearance to move. This picture, dated 2010, is an "in work" picture and does not show the completed seat with the added supports and framing. The two pictures in my original post were the only ones I had to show the additional gussets I used for the spruce supports. The seat plywood is 1/4" glued in place. If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:46 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: See you at Barnwell SC. From: "William Wynne" Builders, We have only one week to Corvair College#30 in MO, so it is out to the shop on 100% duty cycle. The sign up for #30 has been full for several weeks, but if you are a Piet guy, Corvair College #31 and Barnwell with PF Beck and his crew is not only the next event, (November 7-9th) but has the highest density of Piet builders and flying Piets on our calendar. .. PF has said many times that all Piets are welcome, and even if you are not a Corvair builder, there is a lot to be gained at the event. Don Harper's and PF's Piets are based there, We will have the fuselage, mount and gear on display for Terry Hands steel tube Piet, I have invited Bob Lester to fly his up from Florida, and there will be a number of better known Piet builders on hand. If you are building a Piet, but have never flown in one, come on down, PF Will remedy that, as he has flown more than 250 people in his plane. --------------------------- When I signed up for this list 6 months ago, I had the following simple goals: 1) Have more people understand Doc Mosher's great contribution to the Piet Community. 2) Have more builders look at the 3 safety points, diagonal cabanes, fuel lines and CG. 3) Get more people to look at and understand the power of the CG data to plan and build their plane with confidence. 4) Have builders understand that it is fine to be a 'low and slow' guy, but there are many builders who like planning and getting more out of their planes and the time they spend building them. Homebuilding is a very rich mine, and the deeper you dig the more you get out of it. If you want to do more than scratch the surface, know that there are others of the same mindset to guide you and be of assistance. ------------------- Dowe is right, there are a lot of benefits to people staying positive. The only exception I might validly make is plain speaking about things that directly effect the safety of others. I don't much care if people knowingly take risks, but it is that knowing part which is the rub, and their non-pilot passengers always fit in the category of "unknowing risk taker." .. Some people didn't understand why I named the builder who put cast pistons in his engine, they thought I should have told him privately. Basically I did, by writing it all over our manuals and website, and I even had the builder at Corvair College #20 where he saw that every other person was using forged pistons, but he instead followed his 'local expert'. Naming him here was round three, after the first two failed. Look at it backwards: If your kid was in that plane on a young eagles flight when the head comes off the cast Chinese piston, and you found out that I knew about it in advance but didn't say anything because I was trying to be 'nice', how mad would you be? .. There is value in plainly speaking, but not for most builders, who are not listening. The value is to myself, so I don't later ever have to sit on the front porch at night and regret not having spoken up. --------------------------- Hope to see many of you at Barnwell. -ww. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430182#430182 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:53 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Red Bull Air races report From: Steven Dortch Got to meet Curt Merdan from Flower Mound, Texas there. Nice guy, Looks too tall to fit in a Piet. My best guess was that between 35,000 and 45,000 showed up. 1/2 of the stands were not used as a safety area. the other half were less than half full. I hope that is enough to get them to come back next year. Then again, how do they charge money in other venues? Other places the races are in the open over rivers or lakes. My guess is that almost every pilot within 200 miles was there, plus a lot from all over, but not many of the non flying public. Everyone setting around me was a pilot or with a pilot except for one lady who just liked the races. Almost all had a "pilot" hat or tshirt on. IE EAA, AOPA, aircraft brand, or Poker run logos. Races were good. we had "reserved seats" in the open with plastic seat backs and arm rests. I selected not under the cover so I could see up and paid the price by setting in the sun until 1:45. Planes were not close enough to be noisy, but the speakers were still set to compete with NASCAR, so we wore our earplugs. race planes took 1 min to do two laps at 100 to 227MPH. A piet would have needed a calendar. Grandson (a wingnut) and Dr buddy (NASCAR Fan) enjoyed the races. EAA young eagles was there handing out flyers to young eagles flights. Also the aviation museum and it's supporters had an old Thorp T18 that they had cut 4 foot off of each wing so that they could easily trailer and display it. Kids were encouraged to climb in and out and play with the controls vigerously. Great motivation. The Vision jet mockup was there. Big single engine single pilot Vtail jet, with 7 seats. (staff said 5 plus 2) Slick. $1.9 million. Jet mockup was funny to get close to, Engine fan was really just a photo cutout, all control surfaces were just pinstripes, not real controls. Fuse sat on an electric powered 4 wheel dolly that was coverd with a black cloth. Built to pull apart and stick in the trailer. Had a good time, will go again if I can. Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:59 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 for sale on Barnstormers--of possible interest CONTINENTAL A65-8 * $3,500 * CLEANING OUT THE HANGAR * Continental A65-8, 300 SM OH with carb * Contact Darrin C. Ries, Owner - located Ft Myers, FL USA * T elephone: 239-560-3184 * Posted September 4, 2014 * Show all Ads posted by this Advertiser * Recommend This Ad to a Friend * Email Advertiser * Sav e to Watchlist * Report This Ad ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:49 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another A-65, decent price----O SMOH on Barnstormers Of possible interest to those interested in using or needing a Continental engine for their Pietenpol. I was in the market recently to purchase an overhauled A-65 as my engine is now in a run out condition but decided to do a major overhaul (like I did on my current flying engine 16 years ago) o n an engine I picked up in Michigan last fall instead. Mike C. Ohio 0SMOH A65-8 * $4,100 * SALE FELL THROUGH * 0SMOH A65-8 engine for sale. Engine was ove rhauled some time ago but properly stored. Inside is shiny and oily. New ch rome cylinder assemblies. Log book with proper entry. Does not include mags , carb or oil tank. I will crate for shipping. Located in Sturgis, SD Bruce Bowen 605-490-1139 * Contact Bruce Bowen, Owner - located Sturgis, SD USA * Tel ephone: 605-490-1139 . * Posted August 22, 2014 * Show all Ads posted by th is Advertiser * Recommend This Ad to a Friend * Email Advertiser * Save to Watchli st * Rep ort This Ad * View Larger Pictures [cid:image001.png@01CFCB4B.F96F9960] ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:16 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Help With AC 8050-88 I would like to fill out the AFFIDAVIT OF OWNERSHIP FOR AMATEUR-BUILT AND OTHER NON-TYPE CERTIFICATED AIRCRAFT, However, I am not quite sure which box I should check. (shown below.) One states amateur built and the other states experimental, other than amateur built. I guess I mostly question why the first is not considered experimental. MUST CHECK ONE More than 50% of the above-described aircraft was built from miscellaneous parts and I am the owner. (This option is for aircraft eligible for amateur-built certification.) I certify that the above-described aircraft is a newly built non-type certificated aircraft and is not currently registered in another country. (This option is for aircraft eligible for experimental certification other than amateur-built.) If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:23:28 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Red Bull Air races report From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" Looks are deceiving! I'll squeeze into any Piet seat offered to me! Great to meet you too, Steve! I'm excited to hear/see your plane in the air very soon. -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430192#430192 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1200_198.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:49:19 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Help With AC 8050-88 From: "Charles N. Campbell" Mike, I'm almost certain that the first one is the one you want to check. The "...more than 50%..." gives it away. Chuck On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Michael Perez wrote: > I would like to fill out the AFFIDAVIT OF OWNERSHIP FOR AMATEUR-BUILT AND > OTHER NON-TYPE CERTIFICATED AIRCRAFT, However, I am not quite sure which > box I should check. (shown below.) One states amateur built and the other > states experimental, other than amateur built. I guess I mostly question > why the first is not considered experimental. > > > MUST CHECK ONE > > More than 50% of the above-described aircraft was built from miscellaneous > parts and I am the owner. (This option is for aircraft > eligible for amateur-built certification.) > > I certify that the above-described aircraft is a newly built non-type > certificated aircraft and is not currently registered in another > country. (This option is for aircraft eligible for experimental > certification other than amateur-built.) > > > If God is your co-pilot, switch seats > Mike Perez > Karetaker Aero > Construction complete! (8/2014) > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:17 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Red Bull Air races report From: "Dan P" That mirrors our experience. We were just left of the start/finish line up in backed seats. The Fort Worth race will be aired 9-15 @ 6:30 on Fox. [quote="steven.d.dortch(at)gmail."]Got to meet Curt Merdan from Flower Mound, Texasthere. Nice guy, Looks too tall to fit in a Piet. My best guess was that between 35,000 and 45,000 showed up. 1/2 of the stands were not used as a safety area. the other half were less than half full. I hope that is enough to get them to come back next year. Then again, how do they charge money in other venues? Other places the races are in the open over rivers or lakes. My guess is that almost every pilot within 200 miles was there, plus a lot from all over, but not many of the non flying public. Everyone setting around me was a pilot or with a pilot except for one lady who just liked the races. Almost all had a "pilot" hat or tshirt on. IE EAA, AOPA, aircraft brand, or Poker run logos. Races were good. we had "reserved seats" in the open withplastic seat backs and arm rests. I selected not under the cover so I could see up and paid the price by setting in the sununtil 1:45. Planes were not close enough to be noisy, but the speakers were still set to compete with NASCAR, so we wore our earplugs. race planes took 1 min to do two laps at 100 to 227MPH. A piet would have needed a calendar. Grandson (a wingnut) and Dr buddy (NASCAR Fan) enjoyed the races. EAA young eagles was there handing out flyers to young eagles flights. Also the aviation museum and it's supporters had an old Thorp T18 that they had cut 4 foot off of each wing so that they could easily trailer anddisplay it. Kids were encouraged to climb in and out and play with the controls vigerously. Great motivation. The Vision jet mockupwas there. Big single engine single pilot Vtail jet, with 7 seats. (staff said 5 plus 2) Slick.$1.9 million. Jet mockup was funny to get close to, Engine fan was really just a photo cutout, all control surfaceswere just pinstripes, not real controls. Fuse sat on an electric powered 4 wheel dolly that was coverd with a black cloth. Built to pull apart and stick in the trailer. Had a good time, will go again if I can. Blue Skies, Steve D > [b] -------- Dan Plett N28WH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430205#430205 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:16 PM PST US From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" Subject: Pietenpol-List: And another one from Evergreen ________________________________ This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (including attachments). DQoNCg0KU2VudCBmcm9tIGFuIGlQaG9uZSB3aXRoIGEgc3BlbGxpbmcgcHJvYmxlbQ= ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:27 PM PST US From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Help With AC 8050-88 https://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/ultralights/amateur_built/aw/ As noted, "an amateur-built aircraft is eligible for a special airworthiness certificate in the experimental category for the purpose of operating amateur-built aircraft". Experimental is implicit in the definition, therefore it is not explicitly stated again in the first two selections. Of those two selections, the first one applies to you, as you did not build a kit: "More than 50% of the above-described aircraft was built from miscellaneous parts and I am the owner. (This option is for aircraft eligible for amateur-built certification.)" -Ryan On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Michael Perez wrote: > I would like to fill out the AFFIDAVIT OF OWNERSHIP FOR AMATEUR-BUILT AND > OTHER NON-TYPE CERTIFICATED AIRCRAFT, However, I am not quite sure which > box I should check. (shown below.) One states amateur built and the other > states experimental, other than amateur built. I guess I mostly question > why the first is not considered experimental. > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:38 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Obligatory Pic From: "aerocarjake" VERY nice.....! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430211#430211 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:13 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Playing with the text keys - enjoy.... From: "aerocarjake" _____ _ / __/ .!_ !..-- " @ , , , , , , , , , , , -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430212#430212 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.