---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/12/14: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:49 AM - Re: Re: NX992WD "Finished" (Michael Perez) 2. 03:57 AM - Re: Re: NX992WD "Finished" (Michael Perez) 3. 04:03 AM - Re: A-65 major overhaul begins (Michael Perez) 4. 04:29 AM - Re: Anyone build the single piece wing? (Jerry Dotson) 5. 05:25 AM - Re: Re: NX992WD "Finished" (Marcus Zechini) 6. 05:46 AM - Re: Progress in Pryor... (dfwplt) 7. 06:45 AM - Re: Re: Progress in Pryor... (Michael Perez) 8. 07:16 AM - Unsunscribe (markmckellar@reagan.com) 9. 08:26 AM - Re: Unsunscribe (Steven Dortch) 10. 08:32 AM - Re: Unsunscribe (Jack Phillips) 11. 09:38 AM - Re: Unsunscribe (danhelsper@aol.com) 12. 10:28 AM - Re: Re: Very nice 4" altimeter on Ebay (Gardiner Mason) 13. 03:03 PM - Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question (AircamperN11MS) 14. 04:29 PM - Drawing the rib (Pocono John) 15. 05:50 PM - Re: W & B, CG, and LG location question (Ken_P) 16. 08:55 PM - Re: Re: NX992WD "Finished" (Ray Krause) 17. 08:58 PM - Re: Re: NX992WD "Finished" (Ray Krause) 18. 09:07 PM - Re: Re: NX992WD "Finished" (Ray Krause) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:49:40 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: NX992WD "Finished" Biplan53, unlike my building process, once I start flying and work through the shakedown, I'll post updates and findings as I go. If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:09 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: NX992WD "Finished" Ray, you are correct, 2 Eisemann AM-4s. I do intend to use a handheld radio. At this time, I do not a handheld picked out, nor do I have a headset chosen. (I am using a borrowed, David Clark, non-noise canceling deal for my current flight training.) How did you handle the shielding on the mag side? Did you just run the shields to ground? My plan is to operate as is, however, if the noise is an issue, I'll revisit my setup and come up with plan "B". Thanks for the heads up Ray. If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:07 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 major overhaul begins Mike Cuy, I've always liked your hangar setup and it looks even better with an A-65 apart and you are ready to give it an overhaul! I had the most fun doing mine and am sure you will to. Please keep us posted on what you find/how things are going with it. I am very interested. I would just say that this engine is heavier because you are 16 years older! Everything seems heavier for me than it did 16 years ago...including myself. If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:10 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Anyone build the single piece wing? From: "Jerry Dotson" I built a one piece wing and would never do it again. It took minimum of 2 but I used 4 just to turn it over. It is not heavy but I was so careful not to damage it. It was over kill having so much help but we got it assembled with zero damage and had a good time doing it. Just my 2 cents :-) -------- Jerry Dotson First flight June 16,2012 Flying in phase 2 Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430419#430419 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a7_165.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/a6_175.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/a3_347.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:13 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: NX992WD "Finished" From: Marcus Zechini I have 2 Eisemann AM-4s on my C-85-12. I use a handheld and finally got leather mic muff covers which were the biggest issue. Now intercom is usable. ATC & formation friends seem to hear me OK, I hear them. I am not sure, but I assume the spark plug wires are shielded. I don't get spark plug noise. -Zeke NX431LA GN-1 On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > Ray, you are correct, 2 Eisemann AM-4s. I do intend to use a handheld > radio. At this time, I do not a handheld picked out, nor do I have a > headset chosen. (I am using a borrowed, David Clark, non-noise canceling > deal for my current flight training.) > > How did you handle the shielding on the mag side? Did you just run the > shields to ground? My plan is to operate as is, however, if the noise is > an issue, I'll revisit my setup and come up with plan "B". > > Thanks for the heads up Ray. > > If God is your co-pilot, switch seats > Mike Perez > Karetaker Aero > Construction complete! (8/2014) > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:05 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Progress in Pryor... From: "dfwplt" Mike, the tank is a fairly simple square box with an airfoil contoured top. Wanted to use it as the top and avoid additional covering/paneling. Then pop rivets and LOTS of Proseal! Here are links to a couple pictures. LOTS more on Westcoastpiet.com http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jim%20Markle/images/tank2003_0131_094007AA.JPG http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jim%20Markle/images/fueldrn2003_0220_221437AA.JPG Congratulations again on your accomplishment! Jim in rainy/cold Pryor. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430424#430424 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:11 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Progress in Pryor... Very nice Jim. I took a moment to check out your pictures at Westcoast...looks like things are coming along nicely. If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:34 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Unsunscribe From: markmckellar@reagan.com =0APlease unsubscribe ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:35 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Unsunscribe From: Steven Dortch The cold fog thickened noticeably as the newcomer hurried towards his destination. He pulled his heavy overcoat around his neck a little more tightly. This part of the city was not a place to tarry. Thieves and whores were the only permanent residents here. Even the cops rolled through these streets with a nervousness and an edge to heir normal macho banter. Trouble and misery closed around everyone who ventured into this pustule of urban blight like a leech on a warm vein. "Damn!", he hissed under his breath as he stepped on something soft that squealed and skittered off into the darkness and dankness of the mist. It can't be much farther he thought. It mustn't be much farther. The sickly yellow flicker of light from a street lamp shone dimly through the fog as he quickened his pace. There it was. The doorway seemed to be just blackness without definition. As he got closer, two winos eyed him suspiciously through bloodshot and yellowed eyes. He hustled past them, their breath leaving a rank scent that lingered on his clothes. The door pushed inward and the newcomer was inside. The room was smoky and dim. The bar stank of liquor and broken dreams. Several tables decorated the periphery. The man he had come to see was sitting at one of those tables and beckoned him over to sit. The man was darkly clothed and utterly shapeless. He might have weighed three hundred pounds... or he may have been only bone. His shape was indecipherable. The dark mans eyes were gazing down at the dirty glass in his hand, half filled with cheap whiskey. He had been reading a glossy magazine filled with lurid and obscene images. He folded it tenderly and stuffed it quickly into his coat pocket like a vulture gobbling a rotten piece of flesh. "What is it you want of me?", the dark man asked, not lifting his eyes from the glass. His voice rumbled deep in his belly like a toad. "I need you to tell me how to unsubscribe", said the newcomer in as even a tone as he could muster. The dark man looked up from his glass slowly to gaze at the newcomer. His eyes were a pale watery blue. And his gaze lingered on the newcomer. "You wish to unsubscribe?", he said, with a hint of amusement in his voice but no trace of a smile on his thick pasty lips. "You come to me with a need to unsubscribe?", he said, his voice getting louder now and any hint of amusement gone. He sucked in his breath and hissed through his teeth spraying the newcomer with a repulsive mist of spittle, "Why? Tell me why it is that you wish to unsubscribe." The newcomer felt fear now creeping up his spine. "I don't have the time to sort through all the posts", he mumbled. The dark man sat unmoved, his eyes stared at the newcomer without emotion. His eyes were cold and amphibian. "And I sold the Pietenpol and bought a Husky", added the newcomer. He realized in a heart beat that he should not have said that. The dark man had him by the throat with a quickness that seemed otherworldly. And the dark man squeezed that throat as the newcomer wriggled and squirmed in a voiceless scream. The dark man pulled the newcomers face to his own until they nearly touched noses. He breathed his fetid breath on the newcomer and a trickle of drool escaped his mouth to plop loudly on the table between them. "Go!", he rumbled. "Go now you fool!", he bellowed. "Run if you can. It shall do you no good! Once you have subscribed, all hope of ever unsubscribing is gone! We will find you. Your email is now ours to control. Your email box will fill to bursting with our messages. And there is no hope for you. There is no good deed you can do to change what you have done. The List will not be denied!" And with that he released the newcomer who reeled and staggered towards the door, gagging and stumbling. The dark man began to laugh, a low rumbling laugh that grew louder. The newcomer fled up the streets as he had come with the croaking bellowing laughter chasing him. He was doomed... and he knew it. The dark man sat back at the table in the dimly lit bar and sipped at his drink. "I guess I could have just told him to go to http://www.matronics.com/subscribe/ and follow the directions to unsubscribe", he muttered under his breath. No, he smiled to himself. That would have been all too easy. Still chuckling to himself, he reached into his pocket and pulled out the magazine he had been reading before the newcomer interrupted him. He quickly thumbed through the slick and edge worn pages until he found his place. He never missed a single word of each and every issue of Martha Stewart Living... Anonymous On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 9:16 AM, wrote: > Please unsubscribe > > * > > > * > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:31 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Unsunscribe Thanks, Steve! That made my day. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Dortch Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Unsunscribe The cold fog thickened noticeably as the newcomer hurried towards his destination. He pulled his heavy overcoat around his neck a little more tightly. This part of the city was not a place to tarry. Thieves and whores were the only permanent residents here. Even the cops rolled through these streets with a nervousness and an edge to heir normal macho banter. Trouble and misery closed around everyone who ventured into this pustule of urban blight like a leech on a warm vein. "Damn!", he hissed under his breath as he stepped on something soft that squealed and skittered off into the darkness and dankness of the mist. It can't be much farther he thought. It mustn't be much farther. The sickly yellow flicker of light from a street lamp shone dimly through the fog as he quickened his pace. There it was. The doorway seemed to be just blackness without definition. As he got closer, two winos eyed him suspiciously through bloodshot and yellowed eyes. He hustled past them, their breath leaving a rank scent that lingered on his clothes. The door pushed inward and the newcomer was inside. The room was smoky and dim. The bar stank of liquor and broken dreams. Several tables decorated the periphery. The man he had come to see was sitting at one of those tables and beckoned him over to sit. The man was darkly clothed and utterly shapeless. He might have weighed three hundred pounds... or he may have been only bone. His shape was indecipherable. The dark mans eyes were gazing down at the dirty glass in his hand, half filled with cheap whiskey. He had been reading a glossy magazine filled with lurid and obscene images. He folded it tenderly and stuffed it quickly into his coat pocket like a vulture gobbling a rotten piece of flesh. "What is it you want of me?", the dark man asked, not lifting his eyes from the glass. His voice rumbled deep in his belly like a toad. "I need you to tell me how to unsubscribe", said the newcomer in as even a tone as he could muster. The dark man looked up from his glass slowly to gaze at the newcomer. His eyes were a pale watery blue. And his gaze lingered on the newcomer. "You wish to unsubscribe?", he said, with a hint of amusement in his voice but no trace of a smile on his thick pasty lips. "You come to me with a need to unsubscribe?", he said, his voice getting louder now and any hint of amusement gone. He sucked in his breath and hissed through his teeth spraying the newcomer with a repulsive mist of spittle, "Why? Tell me why it is that you wish to unsubscribe." The newcomer felt fear now creeping up his spine. "I don't have the time to sort through all the posts", he mumbled. The dark man sat unmoved, his eyes stared at the newcomer without emotion. His eyes were cold and amphibian. "And I sold the Pietenpol and bought a Husky", added the newcomer. He realized in a heart beat that he should not have said that. The dark man had him by the throat with a quickness that seemed otherworldly. And the dark man squeezed that throat as the newcomer wriggled and squirmed in a voiceless scream. The dark man pulled the newcomers face to his own until they nearly touched noses. He breathed his fetid breath on the newcomer and a trickle of drool escaped his mouth to plop loudly on the table between them. "Go!", he rumbled. "Go now you fool!", he bellowed. "Run if you can. It shall do you no good! Once you have subscribed, all hope of ever unsubscribing is gone! We will find you. Your email is now ours to control. Your email box will fill to bursting with our messages. And there is no hope for you. There is no good deed you can do to change what you have done. The List will not be denied!" And with that he released the newcomer who reeled and staggered towards the door, gagging and stumbling. The dark man began to laugh, a low rumbling laugh that grew louder. The newcomer fled up the streets as he had come with the croaking bellowing laughter chasing him. He was doomed... and he knew it. The dark man sat back at the table in the dimly lit bar and sipped at his drink. "I guess I could have just told him to go to http://www.matronics.com/subscribe/ and follow the directions to unsubscribe", he muttered under his breath. No, he smiled to himself. That would have been all too easy. Still chuckling to himself, he reached into his pocket and pulled out the magazine he had been reading before the newcomer interrupted him. He quickly thumbed through the slick and edge worn pages until he found his place. He never missed a single word of each and every issue of Martha Stewart Living... 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The bar stank of liquor and broken dreams.=0A Several tables decorated the periphery. The man he had come to see was=0A sitting at one of thos e tables and beckoned him over to sit. The man was=0A darkly clothed and utterly shapeless. He might have weighed three hundred=0A pounds... or he may have be en only bone. His shape was indecipherable. The=0A dark mans eyes were gazing down at the dirty glass in h is hand, half filled=0A with cheap whiskey. He ha d been reading a glossy magazine filled with lurid=0A and obscene images. He folded it tenderly and stuffed it quickly into his=0A coat pocket like a vulture go bbling a rotten piece of flesh.=0A=0A "What is it you want of me?", the dark man asked, not lifting his eyes from=0A the glass. His voice rumbled deep in h is belly like a toad.=0A=0A "I need you to tell me how to unsubscribe", said the newcomer in as even a=0A tone as he could muster.=0A=0A The dark ma n looked up from his glass slowly to gaze at the newcomer. His=0A eyes were a pale watery blue. And hi s gaze lingered on the newcomer.=0A=0A "You wish to unsubscribe?", he said, with a hint of amusement in his voic e=0A but no trace of a smile on his thick pasty lips. "You come to me with a=0A need to unsubsc ribe?", he said, his voice getting louder now and any hint of=0A amusement gone. He sucked in his breath and hissed through his teeth=0A spraying the newcomer w ith a repulsive mist of spittle, "Why? Tell me why=0A it is that you wish to unsubscribe."=0A=0A Th e newcomer felt fear now creeping up his spine. "I don't have the time to=0A sort through all the posts", h e mumbled.=0A=0A The dark man sat unmoved, his eyes stared at the newcomer without emotion.=0A His eyes were cold and amphibian.=0A=0A "And I sold the Piete npol and bought a Husky", added the newcomer.=0A=0A He realized in a heart beat that he should not have said that. The dark man=0A had him by the throat wit h a quickness that seemed otherworldly. And the=0A dark man squeezed that throat as the newcomer wriggled and s quirmed in a=0A voiceless scream. The dark man pu lled the newcomers face to his own until=0A they n early touched noses. He breathed his fetid breath on the newcomer and=0A a trickle of drool escaped his mouth to plop loudly on the table between=0A them.=0A=0A "Go!", he rumbled. "Go now you fool!", he bellowe d. "Run if you can. It=0A shall do you no good! Once you have subscribed, all hope of ever=0A unsubscribing is gone! We will find you. Your email i s now ours to=0A control. Your email box will f ill to bursting with our messages. And there=0A i s no hope for you. There is no good deed you can do to change what you=0A have done. The List will not be denied!"=0A=0A And with that he released the newcomer who reeled and staggered towards the=0A door, gagging and stumbling. The dark man began to laugh, a low rumbling=0A laugh that grew louder. The newcome r fled up the streets as he had come=0A with the croaking bellowing laughter chasing him. He was doomed... and he=0A knew it.=0A=0A The dark man sat back at the table in the dimly lit bar and sipped at his =0A drink.=0A=0A "I guess I could have jus t told him to go to=0A http://www.matronics.com/subscribe/=0A =0A and follow the directions to unsubscribe", he muttered under his breath.=0A No, he smiled to himself. That would have been all too easy. Still=0A chuck ling to himself, he reached into his pocket and pulled out the magazine=0A he had been reading before the newco mer interrupted him. He quickly thumbed=0A through the slick and edge worn pages until he found his place. He never=0A missed a single word of each and every issue of Martha Stewart Living...=0A=0A Anonymous=0A=0A=0A =0AOn Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 9:16 AM, wrote:=0A=0APlease unsubscribe=0A=0A=0A" target="_blank">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Atp://forums.matronics.com=0A_blank">http:/ /www.matronics.com/contribution=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-- =0A=0ABlue Skies,=0A=0A =========================== =========================== =========================== -Matt Dralle, List A =========================== =========================== ===0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Very nice 4" altimeter on Ebay From: Gardiner Mason Hi terry, when would you like to pick the engine up? Gardiner Sent from my iPad > On Sep 10, 2014, at 6:46 PM, "jarheadpilot82" wrote: > > > Dan, > > Very nice looking indeed. That would look awesome in someone's Pietenpol. > > FWIW, I have a picture of the altimeter I found on eBay. It is being rebuilt and the face restored. If anybody finds an altimeter that needs rebuilding let me know and I will forward th einfo for the repair station doing mine. I was quoted a price of $250.00 to get mine restored. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430324#430324 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_162.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_911.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:07 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question From: "AircamperN11MS" Peter, Sorry it took so long flight r a response. I just returned from vacation. Dads GN-1 cabane lengths are both 21" front and rear. I haven't heard back from Mike Madrid yet. You should be in the ballpark with yours. Regards, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430454#430454 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:29:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Drawing the rib From: "Pocono John" Some assumptions first: 1) top line is the top of the upper capstrip 2) bottom line (not the reference line) is the bottom of the lower capstrip 3) the top line is measured from the bottom line (not the reference line) 4) My measurements are correct The drawing indicates that the trailing edge piece will be 1 1/4" wide starting at a point where the inside edges of the capstrips meet. My inside edges meet at a point where my trailing edge will have to be 1 3/4" wide (half inch longer) to get me to a 60" chord. Has anyone else come across this and if so, what did you do? In the photo, the last line to the right is 60 1/8" from the forward reference line. Measurements add up to 1/8" too much (big deal, right?). The line just left of it is 60". That hash mark area is where I expected the inside edges to meet (based on plans). Thank you -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430455#430455 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pietprob001_191.jpg ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: W & B, CG, and LG location question From: "Ken_P" William or Scotty, Sorry for the hijack as this isn't related to W&B but I have a friend who is trying to get a prop shipped from the US (Nevada) to Australia (Perth). Can you share the name of the shipping company Dan Weseman uses for Panther kits? Thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430456#430456 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:26 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: NX992WD "Finished" Mike, I received a lot of good advise from Oscar Zuniga's A&P friend concerning th is problem. If I find the letter, will forward it to you. I was hoping you h ad the magical solution. I put woven mesh shielding over my ignition wires and grounded the shielding to the magneto. I used the old time, non-shielded plugs, this did not work. Then I ordered shielded wires from ACS to fit the A-65 and used shielded pl ugs, this did not work. Then I put condensers on the P leads (ACS noise supp ressing condensers), this did not work. Then I shielded the P leads all the w ay from the ignition switch to the magnetos, this did not help. Right now I h ave the ACS ignition wires, shielded plugs, shielded P leads to the switch ( grounded on the magneto end) and the condensers. No joy! Oscar's friend said that the Eismann AM-4's have a plastic (Bakelite?) distr ibutor cap on the rear that is not shielded and this is where the noise is m ost likely coming from. He suggested making a "shield" out of metallic (copp er) screen formed to the shape of the distributor cap, place it over the cap s and ground it. I will try that someday, maybe this winter when things slow down. The A&P says the Eisemann mags are great and run forever, very reliab le, but not shielded and thus noisy (they have an AD on them that should be d one). Slick mags are shielded, expensive and are not as reliable (500 hr ove rhaul?). Of course, I may not live long enough to put 500 hrs on SkyScout! The ACS shielded wires come with the connectors for the shielded plugs on on e end. The wires are silicone rubber covered and the inner core appears to b e carbon within a clear tube. About 6" of this tube, without the silicone co ver, sticks out the magneto end of the wire and has a clip to plug into the m agneto. I don't understand how the shield is grounded, only on the spark plu g end? This is a work in progress with no solution, yet. If you find the solution, p lease let me know. All of this experimenting has been done on my 1946 restor ed Aeronca 7AC. It has the exact setup that I have for SkyScout...whenever i t flies! If you figure it out, let me know. I hate to buy 4 new Slick mags, wires and plugs just to be able to use a radio! Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Sep 12, 2014, at 3:56 AM, Michael Perez wrot e: > > Ray, you are correct, 2 Eisemann AM-4s. I do intend to use a handheld radi o. At this time, I do not a handheld picked out, nor do I have a headset cho sen. (I am using a borrowed, David Clark, non-noise canceling deal for my cu rrent flight training.) > > How did you handle the shielding on the mag side? Did you just run the shi elds to ground? My plan is to operate as is, however, if the noise is an is sue, I'll revisit my setup and come up with plan "B". > > Thanks for the heads up Ray. > > If God is your co-pilot, switch seats > Mike Perez > Karetaker Aero > Construction complete! (8/2014) > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:56 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: NX992WD "Finished" Could you describe your setup in more detail? You may have the silver bulle t that we need! I do not have wind noise in the Aeronca, it is the clicking n oise from the mags. It is even heard on a hand held radio 20' from the plane ! Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Sep 12, 2014, at 5:24 AM, Marcus Zechini wro te: > > I have 2 Eisemann AM-4s on my C-85-12. I use a handheld and finally got l eather mic muff covers which were the biggest issue. Now intercom is usable. > ATC & formation friends seem to hear me OK, I hear them. I am not sure, b ut I assume the spark plug wires are shielded. I don't get spark plug noise. > > -Zeke > NX431LA > GN-1 > >> On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Michael Perez wrote: >> Ray, you are correct, 2 Eisemann AM-4s. I do intend to use a handheld rad io. At this time, I do not a handheld picked out, nor do I have a headset ch osen. (I am using a borrowed, David Clark, non-noise canceling deal for my c urrent flight training.) >> >> How did you handle the shielding on the mag side? Did you just run the sh ields to ground? My plan is to operate as is, however, if the noise is an i ssue, I'll revisit my setup and come up with plan "B". >> >> Thanks for the heads up Ray. >> >> If God is your co-pilot, switch seats >> Mike Perez >> Karetaker Aero >> Construction complete! (8/2014) >> >> >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:44 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: NX992WD "Finished" Mike, Here is some of the info from Oscars friend, Jeff... More from Jeff... and by the way, I seem to remember that my airplane has ei ther 12 or 12-1/2 degrees of angle when sitting on the ground, and I don't h ave any problems with it. Don't go changing anything drastic with your land ing gear geometry just yet. -Oscar HI Oscar, Yep. If I remember correctly (it is possible that I may not), the distribut or cap on the AM series Eisemans are Bakelite, so offer no RF shielding what -so-ever. I suppose one could fashion a Faraday Cage over them, but I real ly don't have any feel at all for the density of the wire mesh to get any ef fectiveness from them. [couldn't get the diagrams to attach, but you'll get the idea] Below is a side-by-side cutaway of the LA-4 model on the left and the AM-4 m odel on the right. Note that the coil lead (#12 on the right picture) is ca st into the cap with no shielding. That is likely the source of most of the noise, although the spark jumping from the distributor gear is also going t o generate a lot of noise as well. I would also hate to give up the Eisemann mags. They work reliably and are e asy to repair. Effectively, they are a forever magneto. Not so much on the Slicks. With Slicks you do a 500 hour inspection, then throw them away at 1 000 hours or when they fail, whichever comes first. Since Ray apparently doesn't mind experimenting a bit, you might suggest he t ry using wire mesh to construct a grounded cage over each of the magnetos. I t might work. Or it might not. But an afternoon with the snips and a littl e bit of screen wire is a darned sight less expensive than a new set of mags . Any conductive wire mesh should do. The finer the mesh, the better. I w ould try window screening. Best regards, -Jeff Sent from my iPad > On Sep 12, 2014, at 3:56 AM, Michael Perez wrot e: > > Ray, you are correct, 2 Eisemann AM-4s. I do intend to use a handheld radi o. At this time, I do not a handheld picked out, nor do I have a headset cho sen. (I am using a borrowed, David Clark, non-noise canceling deal for my cu rrent flight training.) > > How did you handle the shielding on the mag side? Did you just run the shi elds to ground? My plan is to operate as is, however, if the noise is an is sue, I'll revisit my setup and come up with plan "B". > > Thanks for the heads up Ray. > > If God is your co-pilot, switch seats > Mike Perez > Karetaker Aero > Construction complete! 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