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1. 06:32 AM - Re: Stupid Piet Tricks (tools)
2. 07:49 AM - Re: Fahlin prop (tools)
3. 08:56 AM - Re: Stupid Piet Tricks (aerocarjake)
4. 01:29 PM - Re: Stupid Piet Tricks (Jeff Boatright)
5. 01:50 PM - Re: Drawing the rib (Pocono John)
6. 02:38 PM - Re: Stupid Piet Tricks (Jeff Boatright)
7. 03:25 PM - Re: Stupid Piet Tricks (Jerry Dotson)
8. 05:10 PM - Re: Drawing the rib (Pocono John)
9. 05:40 PM - Re: Stupid Piet Tricks (tools)
10. 06:48 PM - Re: Drawing the rib (Bill Church)
11. 07:18 PM - Re: Drawing the rib (Pocono John)
12. 07:53 PM - Re: Engine Run Full Video (taildrags)
13. 08:12 PM - Re: Stupid Piet Tricks (taildrags)
14. 08:21 PM - Re: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks (Ken Bickers)
15. 08:28 PM - Re: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks (Clif Dawson)
16. 09:33 PM - Re: Stupid Piet Tricks (taildrags)
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| Subject: | Re: Stupid Piet Tricks |
Awesome! Did ya log it? The instrument time.. Hehe
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I agree. The bad things all get in from the outside... I assume it's not casein
glue.. Even then, delaminating would start at the edges.
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| Subject: | Re: Stupid Piet Tricks |
Awesome...! I didn't get a chance to fly today but I was up till 1:00 am working
on the Piet - so I'm that much closer...!
A colleague from work is coming over to visit my project today. He is beginning
a Pietenpol project...!
Thanks Jeff...!
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Stupid Piet Tricks |
tools wrote:
> Awesome! Did ya log it? The instrument time.. Hehe
Visual meteorological conditions all the way around, baby, and at least 501 feet
from all people, pets, plants, and other living things.
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| Subject: | Re: Drawing the rib |
While chewing on that, let's move to the leading edge, where I've discovered an
error (surly not the first).
Apparently, the first nine measurements inside the wing profile are measured from
the reference line. Starting about number 10, the measurements are from the
bottom capstrip.
I drew the rib template on tracing paper and laid it on my drawing. Works out pretty
well as it goes from one set of measurements to the other.
The one thing I can't figure out is the point 1.5" up from the reference line where
the leading edge should touch. The only way to do that is move the tracing
up so that the bottom edge of the top capstrip is on my line (second image).
Perhaps it would be much easier for me to use the Riblett 612.
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| Subject: | Re: Stupid Piet Tricks |
aerocarjake wrote:
> Awesome...! I didn't get a chance to fly today but I was up till 1:00 am working
on the Piet - so I'm that much closer...!
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> A colleague from work is coming over to visit my project today. He is beginning
a Pietenpol project...!
>
> Thanks Jeff...!
Glad you liked it. A bunch of us at Toogahnein are trying to take a lesson from
this, but all I can say is, all the local airports were calling VFR and there
was an awful lot of blue sky overhead when I took off, so I'm not sure what I'd
do differently next time. Even when I got back on the ground and looking up,
the scud just faded into the background of a high overcast. Now, within 30 min
of rolling the Piet into the hangar, a lot more stuff rolled in that was very
clearly low and bad, so that was an easy call to go get a coffee.
I do plan to practice my spirals down to a landing.
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| Subject: | Re: Stupid Piet Tricks |
I flew today too just didn't video it. Same here was foggy early too. It lifted
but was never true Dotson VFR until noon. I lifted off at 12:20 CDT and was still
just about 800. Just local flying and never more than 5 miles from a good
ole grass strip.
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Jerry Dotson
First flight June 16,2012
Flying in phase 2
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Drawing the rib |
I made a rough drawing of the Riblett 612. This looks like a 612, so I'll use this
for my ribs.
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| Subject: | Re: Stupid Piet Tricks |
Oh, I get it! The craziest VFR landing I ever did was a time when I called the
tower to lower the landing light intensity... and then on roll out I couldn't
see ANYTHING!!!
Just one of those crazy things...
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| Subject: | Re: Drawing the rib |
John wrote:
"Apparently, the first nine measurements inside the wing profile are measured from
the reference line. Starting about number 10, the measurements are from the
bottom capstrip."
Where did you get this idea from?
There are dimensions positioned underneath the reference line. These dimensions
are from the reference line to the underside of the airfoil.
Then there are dimensions positioned inside the airfoil shape. these dimensions
are from the bottom surface of the airfoil to the top of the airfoil.
There is one exception to this convention, and that occurs at the first position
from the leading edge, where no lower dimension has been provided - just one
dimension, from reference line to top of airfoil (in this case 2").
I'm assuming that you're using genuine Pietenpol plans (snapshot attached, for
reference).
If you drew up your airfoil profile using the interpretation you stated above,
you will end up with a distorted airfoil, and no doubt would have difficulty locating
your leading edge at the 1 1/2" height. I suggest you try redrawing the
airfoil, using the proper dimensions. It works.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Drawing the rib |
Thank you Bill. I have the genuine plans, ordered from the official site. I'm attaching
a photo I took when it arrived.
1) I drew a straight reference line.
2) I made marks from left to right as depicted on the profile view (1/2", then
seven 1" and so on. As you know, it ends up 60 1/8".
3) to draw the bottom, I used the measurements written just above the spacing measurements
(just below the reference line).
4) to draw the top, I measured from the bottom (capstrip) line using the measurements
provided within the wing.
5) I later drew the top line measuring from the bottom reference line.
When I overlaid my sketch with the full size rib drawing (which has shrunk about
1/8"), the bottom capstrip lines up nicely. The upper capstrip, however, hit
the marks measured from the reference line and around the tenth point, seems
to match my marks measuring from the bottom capstrip line.
Under the tracing paper, at the top capstrip, you can make out marks I have showing
where the measurements using the horizontal reference line ended up.
I just thought it was odd and measured everything again (all measurements with
the same ruler).
The profile shows the LE hits a forward vertical reference line 1 1/2" from the
horizontal reference line. I'm not sure how that can happen using the full size
rib drawing I have; and even with the rib drawn using the measurements, it
still won't work.
I'll check it again tomorrow. I'll use a different ruler. Oh, I even wore my eyeglasses
for this.
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John
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Run Full Video |
And that's what they're supposed to sound like! Very nice, Michael. You might want to look at the position of the prop when it stops, and possibly re-clock it to a different position to make starting a bit easier. It appeared that the person who was doing the propping had to reposition the prop to get it where the blade was ready to stroke downward, and in doing so had to pull it through part of a cycle by hand. This can sometimes lead to a start when the person doing the propping isn't ready. My prop stops at roughly the 10 o'clock-4 o'clock position, ready for the next start, and rarely requires any manual repositioning to get the downward blade into position. Picture here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/a75005.jpg
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Stupid Piet Tricks |
Experimental 41CC put in just about 1.0 in the logbook on Saturday, flying amongst
a steady stream of air tankers coming and going from wildland fires in our
region. VERY busy at our airport, which has not one but two tanker bases set
up this fire season and although I took it on up to 3000', the horizontal visibility
really deteriorated fast so after that I kept it down low.
The temporary tanker base on the east side of our field is home to a pair of heavy
DC-10s for the duration, and besides the PV-2s and other stuff there has also
been a very interesting amphibious tanker, heli-tankers, and a pair of turbine
aerial applicators (Thrushes?) working the fires. Last week I pulled the
plane out but didn't even attempt to go up... they were even holding King Airs
outside the Class Delta airspace at times, it was so busy with tankers.
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Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Stupid Piet Tricks |
Oscar,
Those fire fighting pilots are heroes in my book. Glad they are there to
keep the forest fires at bay and you and your Scout safe.
Cheers, Ken
p.s. Nice to have you back on the list!
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 9:11 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Experimental 41CC put in just about 1.0 in the logbook on Saturday, flying
> amongst a steady stream of air tankers coming and going from wildland fires
> in our region. VERY busy at our airport, which has not one but two tanker
> bases set up this fire season and although I took it on up to 3000', the
> horizontal visibility really deteriorated fast so after that I kept it down
> low.
>
> The temporary tanker base on the east side of our field is home to a pair
> of heavy DC-10s for the duration, and besides the PV-2s and other stuff
> there has also been a very interesting amphibious tanker, heli-tankers, and
> a pair of turbine aerial applicators (Thrushes?) working the fires. Last
> week I pulled the plane out but didn't even attempt to go up... they were
> even holding King Airs outside the Class Delta airspace at times, it was so
> busy with tankers.
>
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> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Stupid Piet Tricks |
Does it look like this,Oscar?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCL0_TTsHzo
Clif
there has also been a very interesting amphibious tanker, > --------
> Oscar Zuniga
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| Subject: | Re: Stupid Piet Tricks |
Clif;
I think it's a CL-415 but I haven't seen it very often. I'll have to pay closer
attention next time. It's yellow ;o)
Ken; I'm not yet resubscribed to the list but thought I'd check in on the Forum
tonight to see what was up. I'll be back in a few weeks; promise. Meantime,
I can report that the tanker operators here are really cool customers. In the
24+ months that I spent almost every Saturday and Sunday afternoon at the hangar
working on the Piet, I kept my little Icom on the tower frequency to keep
up with the radio chatter and it's always interesting during fire season The
tanker pilots are professional, consistent, concise, and occasionally entertaining.
The tanker fleet at the moment includes a pair of BAE-146s that seem to
have come with British crew, because the voice on the radio is definitely Limey
;o) Then there was the day when Tanker Six had a stuck mike, much to the
consternation of the extremely busy tower controller, and we all listened to the
captain's cockpit calls for about 10 minutes, 'gear up', 'flaps five', etc.-
while nobody else could conduct communications. Finally we heard the captain
of the tanker declare, "I can't hear a thing so my mike must be stuck" and
I guess he powered down the COMM at that point. They really do a good job, and
I only wish I could get over close to the tanker base to smell the blue oil
smoke when they fire up the big R-3350s on the P2V Neptunes. I love radials.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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