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1. 12:30 AM - Re: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question (Peter Johnson)
2. 03:46 AM - Re: Re: Engine Run Full Video (Michael Perez)
3. 04:31 AM - Re: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks (Jack)
4. 04:32 AM - Engine/Fuel Storage (Michael Perez)
5. 05:20 AM - Re: Engine/Fuel Storage (Steven Dortch)
6. 05:48 AM - Re: Engine/Fuel Storage (Michael Perez)
7. 05:55 AM - Piets - Phx Deer Valley? (gsnewsome)
8. 06:07 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 09/14/14 (Douwe Blumberg)
9. 06:33 AM - Re: Engine/Fuel Storage (Steven Dortch)
10. 06:44 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 09/14/14 (Doug)
11. 07:37 AM - Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question (AircamperN11MS)
12. 08:13 AM - Re: A-65 major overhaul begins (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
13. 06:52 PM - I left (giacummo)
14. 08:05 PM - Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question (Pocono John)
15. 10:26 PM - Re: I left (aerocarjake)
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| Subject: | Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question |
Scott,
Thanks for that. Ill let you know how it all goes when she is flying.
Cheers
Peter
On 13/09/2014 8:02 am, "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> wrote:
><Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
>
>Peter,
>Sorry it took so long flight r a response. I just returned from vacation.
>Dads GN-1 cabane lengths are both 21" front and rear. I haven't heard
>back from Mike Madrid yet. You should be in the ballpark with yours.
>Regards,
>
>--------
>Scott Liefeld
>Flying N11MS since March 1972
>Steel Tube
>C-85-12
>Wire Wheels
>Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Run Full Video |
Thank you Oscar. I have not ran the engine since that video and do not plan to
do so until I get it out to a hangar. Until then, I have it back in my shop.
I agree with you...amongst other odd and end tweaks, I'll fix the propeller clocking.
If God is your co-pilot, switch seats
Mike Perez
Karetaker Aero
Construction complete! (8/2014)
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| Subject: | Re: Stupid Piet Tricks |
Oscar my dad flew P2's for years in the Navy, they held an Alpha designation. At
his recent military burial service 4 members from his crew attended. Lots of
great stories...
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
> On Sep 14, 2014, at 11:33 PM, "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Clif;
>
> I think it's a CL-415 but I haven't seen it very often. I'll have to pay closer
attention next time. It's yellow ;o)
>
> Ken; I'm not yet resubscribed to the list but thought I'd check in on the Forum
tonight to see what was up. I'll be back in a few weeks; promise. Meantime,
I can report that the tanker operators here are really cool customers. In
the 24+ months that I spent almost every Saturday and Sunday afternoon at the
hangar working on the Piet, I kept my little Icom on the tower frequency to keep
up with the radio chatter and it's always interesting during fire season The
tanker pilots are professional, consistent, concise, and occasionally entertaining.
The tanker fleet at the moment includes a pair of BAE-146s that seem
to have come with British crew, because the voice on the radio is definitely
Limey ;o) Then there was the day when Tanker Six had a stuck mike, much to the
consternation of the extremely busy tower controller, and we all listened to
the captain's cockpit calls for about 10 minutes, 'gear up', 'flaps five', etc.-
while nobody else could conduct communications. !
> Finally we heard the captain of the tanker declare, "I can't hear a thing so
my mike must be stuck" and I guess he powered down the COMM at that point. They
really do a good job, and I only wish I could get over close to the tanker
base to smell the blue oil smoke when they fire up the big R-3350s on the P2V
Neptunes. I love radials.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Engine/Fuel Storage |
Since I have now ran my engine, I am wondering if I need to do anything special
to protect it while it sits during the winter. It will be inside a heated shop.
I also have about 4.5 gallons of 100LL stored. Is it O.K. to use a fuel stabilizer
like STA-BIL then reuse the fuel next spring?
If God is your co-pilot, switch seats
Mike Perez
KaretakerAero
Construction complete! (8/2014)
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| Subject: | Re: Engine/Fuel Storage |
Mike, 100LL is very stable, That is one of the properties required of it.
IMHO it does not need STA-BIL, but STABIL will not hurt it.
Autogas is not very stable and is known to start creating varnish after as
little as a month.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 6:31 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> Since I have now ran my engine, I am wondering if I need to do anything
> special to protect it while it sits during the winter. It will be inside a
> heated shop. I also have about 4.5 gallons of 100LL stored. Is it O.K. to
> use a fuel stabilizer like STA-BIL then reuse the fuel next spring?
>
> If God is your co-pilot, switch seats
> Mike Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> Construction complete! (8/2014)
>
> *
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>
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Engine/Fuel Storage |
Thanks Steve. Any opinion on preparations for engine storage through winter?
If God is your co-pilot, switch seats
Mike Perez
Karetaker Aero
Construction complete! (8/2014)
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| Subject: | Piets - Phx Deer Valley? |
Any Piets Based out of Phx Deer Valley?
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| Subject: | RE: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 09/14/14 |
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1. 06:32 AM - Re: Stupid Piet Tricks (tools)
2. 07:49 AM - Re: Fahlin prop (tools)
3. 08:56 AM - Re: Stupid Piet Tricks (aerocarjake)
4. 01:29 PM - Re: Stupid Piet Tricks (Jeff Boatright)
5. 01:50 PM - Re: Drawing the rib (Pocono John)
6. 02:38 PM - Re: Stupid Piet Tricks (Jeff Boatright)
7. 03:25 PM - Re: Stupid Piet Tricks (Jerry Dotson)
8. 05:10 PM - Re: Drawing the rib (Pocono John)
9. 05:40 PM - Re: Stupid Piet Tricks (tools)
10. 06:48 PM - Re: Drawing the rib (Bill Church)
11. 07:18 PM - Re: Drawing the rib (Pocono John)
12. 07:53 PM - Re: Engine Run Full Video (taildrags)
13. 08:12 PM - Re: Stupid Piet Tricks (taildrags)
14. 08:21 PM - Re: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks (Ken Bickers)
15. 08:28 PM - Re: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks (Clif Dawson)
16. 09:33 PM - Re: Stupid Piet Tricks (taildrags)
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Time: 06:32:54 AM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
Awesome! Did ya log it? The instrument time.. Hehe
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Time: 07:49:26 AM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fahlin prop
From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
I agree. The bad things all get in from the outside... I assume it's not
casein glue.. Even then, delaminating would start at the edges.
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Time: 08:56:37 AM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake@gmail.com>
Awesome...! I didn't get a chance to fly today but I was up till 1:00 am
working on the Piet - so I'm that much closer...!
A colleague from work is coming over to visit my project today. He is
beginning a Pietenpol project...!
Thanks Jeff...!
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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Time: 01:29:51 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
From: "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright@emory.edu>
tools wrote:
> Awesome! Did ya log it? The instrument time.. Hehe
Visual meteorological conditions all the way around, baby, and at least 501
feet from all people, pets, plants, and other living things.
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Time: 01:50:53 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Drawing the rib
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion@yahoo.com>
While chewing on that, let's move to the leading edge, where I've discovered
an error (surly not the first).
Apparently, the first nine measurements inside the wing profile are measured
from the reference line. Starting about number 10, the measurements are from
the bottom capstrip.
I drew the rib template on tracing paper and laid it on my drawing. Works
out pretty well as it goes from one set of measurements to the other.
The one thing I can't figure out is the point 1.5" up from the reference
line where the leading edge should touch. The only way to do that is move
the tracing up so that the bottom edge of the top capstrip is on my line
(second image).
Perhaps it would be much easier for me to use the Riblett 612.
--------
John
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Time: 02:38:57 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
From: "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright@emory.edu>
aerocarjake wrote:
> Awesome...! I didn't get a chance to fly today but I was up till 1:00
> am working
on the Piet - so I'm that much closer...!
>
> A colleague from work is coming over to visit my project today. He is
> beginning
a Pietenpol project...!
>
> Thanks Jeff...!
Glad you liked it. A bunch of us at Toogahnein are trying to take a lesson
from this, but all I can say is, all the local airports were calling VFR and
there was an awful lot of blue sky overhead when I took off, so I'm not sure
what I'd do differently next time. Even when I got back on the ground and
looking up, the scud just faded into the background of a high overcast. Now,
within 30 min of rolling the Piet into the hangar, a lot more stuff rolled
in that was very clearly low and bad, so that was an easy call to go get a
coffee.
I do plan to practice my spirals down to a landing.
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Time: 03:25:08 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net>
I flew today too just didn't video it. Same here was foggy early too. It
lifted but was never true Dotson VFR until noon. I lifted off at 12:20 CDT
and was still just about 800. Just local flying and never more than 5 miles
from a good ole grass strip.
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Jerry Dotson
First flight June 16,2012
Flying in phase 2
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
do not archive
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Time: 05:10:30 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Drawing the rib
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion@yahoo.com>
I made a rough drawing of the Riblett 612. This looks like a 612, so I'll
use this for my ribs.
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John
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Time: 05:40:50 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
Oh, I get it! The craziest VFR landing I ever did was a time when I called
the tower to lower the landing light intensity... and then on roll out I
couldn't see ANYTHING!!!
Just one of those crazy things...
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Time: 06:48:43 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Drawing the rib
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
John wrote:
"Apparently, the first nine measurements inside the wing profile are
measured from the reference line. Starting about number 10, the measurements
are from the bottom capstrip."
Where did you get this idea from?
There are dimensions positioned underneath the reference line. These
dimensions are from the reference line to the underside of the airfoil.
Then there are dimensions positioned inside the airfoil shape. these
dimensions are from the bottom surface of the airfoil to the top of the
airfoil.
There is one exception to this convention, and that occurs at the first
position from the leading edge, where no lower dimension has been provided -
just one dimension, from reference line to top of airfoil (in this case 2").
I'm assuming that you're using genuine Pietenpol plans (snapshot attached,
for reference).
If you drew up your airfoil profile using the interpretation you stated
above, you will end up with a distorted airfoil, and no doubt would have
difficulty locating your leading edge at the 1 1/2" height. I suggest you
try redrawing the airfoil, using the proper dimensions. It works.
Bill C.
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Time: 07:18:29 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Drawing the rib
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion@yahoo.com>
Thank you Bill. I have the genuine plans, ordered from the official site.
I'm attaching a photo I took when it arrived.
1) I drew a straight reference line.
2) I made marks from left to right as depicted on the profile view (1/2",
then seven 1" and so on. As you know, it ends up 60 1/8".
3) to draw the bottom, I used the measurements written just above the
spacing measurements (just below the reference line).
4) to draw the top, I measured from the bottom (capstrip) line using the
measurements provided within the wing.
5) I later drew the top line measuring from the bottom reference line.
When I overlaid my sketch with the full size rib drawing (which has shrunk
about 1/8"), the bottom capstrip lines up nicely. The upper capstrip,
however, hit the marks measured from the reference line and around the tenth
point, seems to match my marks measuring from the bottom capstrip line.
Under the tracing paper, at the top capstrip, you can make out marks I have
showing where the measurements using the horizontal reference line ended up.
I just thought it was odd and measured everything again (all measurements
with the same ruler).
The profile shows the LE hits a forward vertical reference line 1 1/2" from
the horizontal reference line. I'm not sure how that can happen using the
full size rib drawing I have; and even with the rib drawn using the
measurements, it still won't work.
I'll check it again tomorrow. I'll use a different ruler. Oh, I even wore my
eyeglasses for this.
--------
John
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Time: 07:53:25 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine Run Full Video
From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
And that's what they're supposed to sound like! Very nice, Michael. You
might want to look at the position of the prop when it stops, and possibly
re-clock it to a different position to make starting a bit easier. It
appeared that the person who was doing the propping had to reposition the
prop to get it where the blade was ready to stroke downward, and in doing so
had to pull it through part of a cycle by hand. This can sometimes lead to
a start when the person doing the propping isn't ready. My prop stops at
roughly the 10 o'clock-4 o'clock position, ready for the next start, and
rarely requires any manual repositioning to get the downward blade into
position. Picture here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/a75005.jpg
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Time: 08:12:11 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Experimental 41CC put in just about 1.0 in the logbook on Saturday, flying
amongst a steady stream of air tankers coming and going from wildland fires
in our region. VERY busy at our airport, which has not one but two tanker
bases set up this fire season and although I took it on up to 3000', the
horizontal visibility really deteriorated fast so after that I kept it down
low.
The temporary tanker base on the east side of our field is home to a pair of
heavy DC-10s for the duration, and besides the PV-2s and other stuff there
has also been a very interesting amphibious tanker, heli-tankers, and a pair
of turbine aerial applicators (Thrushes?) working the fires. Last week I
pulled the plane out but didn't even attempt to go up... they were even
holding King Airs outside the Class Delta airspace at times, it was so busy
with tankers.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Time: 08:21:12 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
Oscar,
Those fire fighting pilots are heroes in my book. Glad they are there to
keep the forest fires at bay and you and your Scout safe.
Cheers, Ken
p.s. Nice to have you back on the list!
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 9:11 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Experimental 41CC put in just about 1.0 in the logbook on Saturday,
> flying amongst a steady stream of air tankers coming and going from
> wildland fires in our region. VERY busy at our airport, which has not
> one but two tanker bases set up this fire season and although I took
> it on up to 3000', the horizontal visibility really deteriorated fast
> so after that I kept it down low.
>
> The temporary tanker base on the east side of our field is home to a
> pair of heavy DC-10s for the duration, and besides the PV-2s and other
> stuff there has also been a very interesting amphibious tanker,
> heli-tankers, and a pair of turbine aerial applicators (Thrushes?)
> working the fires. Last week I pulled the plane out but didn't even
> attempt to go up... they were even holding King Airs outside the Class
> Delta airspace at times, it was so busy with tankers.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430546#430546
>
>
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Time: 08:28:40 PM PST US
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
Does it look like this,Oscar?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCL0_TTsHzo
Clif
there has also been a very interesting amphibious tanker, > --------
> Oscar Zuniga
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Time: 09:33:35 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Clif;
I think it's a CL-415 but I haven't seen it very often. I'll have to pay
closer attention next time. It's yellow ;o)
Ken; I'm not yet resubscribed to the list but thought I'd check in on the
Forum tonight to see what was up. I'll be back in a few weeks; promise.
Meantime, I can report that the tanker operators here are really cool
customers. In the
24+ months that I spent almost every Saturday and Sunday afternoon at
24+ the hangar
working on the Piet, I kept my little Icom on the tower frequency to keep up
with the radio chatter and it's always interesting during fire season The
tanker pilots are professional, consistent, concise, and occasionally
entertaining.
The tanker fleet at the moment includes a pair of BAE-146s that seem to have
come with British crew, because the voice on the radio is definitely Limey
;o) Then there was the day when Tanker Six had a stuck mike, much to the
consternation of the extremely busy tower controller, and we all listened to
the captain's cockpit calls for about 10 minutes, 'gear up', 'flaps five',
etc.- while nobody else could conduct communications. Finally we heard the
captain of the tanker declare, "I can't hear a thing so my mike must be
stuck" and I guess he powered down the COMM at that point. They really do a
good job, and I only wish I could get over close to the tanker base to smell
the blue oil smoke when they fire up the big R-3350s on the P2V Neptunes. I
love radials.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Engine/Fuel Storage |
Mike, before sticking my vtail into storage for my deployments, I followed
this regime taught to me by an old mechinic:
Put in fresh oil, fly the plane and get the oil good and hot (operating
temperature) for about 25-30 min.
When you kill the engine, immeadiatly put the prop where you want it. Now
don't touch the prop until you start it next time. Period. Mark your prop
so no one touches it. Everything inside is coated with a fine mist of oil,
if the prop is moved, that will scrape oil off of some parts and expose
them to corrosion.
I then, pull the top spark plugs and squirt a mix of Marvel mystery oil and
100Wt into each jug.
I also make sure that the carb is soaked in 100LL fuel. NO CARGAS for
storage, it turns to varnish or worse.
Pull the battery and put it up for charging and storage. I put Bounce
fabric softener sheets all over the place. It is said that mice don't like
the smell. I plug in a sonic rodent repeller and put out poison bait where
my grandkids and pets won't get to it.
For storage, 100WW is better (thicker) You can get special pickling oil
from Phillips if you really want to do it up right.
That is it.
Blue Skies,
Steve D.
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> Thanks Steve. Any opinion on preparations for engine storage through
> winter?
>
> If God is your co-pilot, switch seats
> Mike Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> Construction complete! (8/2014)
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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That would be a 415. the 215 used P&W 2800 double wasps. Got a taxi ride
in one once. Really cool airplane.
Doug Dever
=0A
In beautiful Stow Ohio
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> 1. 06:32 AM - Re: Stupid Piet Tricks (tools)
> 2. 07:49 AM - Re: Fahlin prop (tools)
> 3. 08:56 AM - Re: Stupid Piet Tricks (aerocarjake)
> 4. 01:29 PM - Re: Stupid Piet Tricks (Jeff Boatright)
> 5. 01:50 PM - Re: Drawing the rib (Pocono John)
> 6. 02:38 PM - Re: Stupid Piet Tricks (Jeff Boatright)
> 7. 03:25 PM - Re: Stupid Piet Tricks (Jerry Dotson)
> 8. 05:10 PM - Re: Drawing the rib (Pocono John)
> 9. 05:40 PM - Re: Stupid Piet Tricks (tools)
> 10. 06:48 PM - Re: Drawing the rib (Bill Church)
> 11. 07:18 PM - Re: Drawing the rib (Pocono John)
> 12. 07:53 PM - Re: Engine Run Full Video (taildrags)
> 13. 08:12 PM - Re: Stupid Piet Tricks (taildrags)
> 14. 08:21 PM - Re: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks (Ken Bickers)
> 15. 08:28 PM - Re: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks (Clif Dawson)
> 16. 09:33 PM - Re: Stupid Piet Tricks (taildrags)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:32:54 AM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
> From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Awesome! Did ya log it? The instrument time.. Hehe
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430520#430520
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:49:26 AM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fahlin prop
> From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
>
>
> I agree. The bad things all get in from the outside... I assume it's not
> casein glue.. Even then=2C delaminating would start at the edges.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430522#430522
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:56:37 AM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
> From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake@gmail.com>
>
>
> Awesome...! I didn't get a chance to fly today but I was up till 1:00 am
> working on the Piet - so I'm that much closer...!
>
> A colleague from work is coming over to visit my project today. He is
> beginning a Pietenpol project...!
>
> Thanks Jeff...!
>
> --------
> Jake Schultz - curator=2C
> Newport Way Air Museum (OK=2C it's just my home)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430528#430528
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:29:51 PM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
> From: "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright@emory.edu>
>
>
>
> tools wrote:
> > Awesome! Did ya log it? The instrument time.. Hehe
>
>
> Visual meteorological conditions all the way around=2C baby=2C and at lea
st 501
> feet from all people=2C pets=2C plants=2C and other living things.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430532#430532
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:50:53 PM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Drawing the rib
> From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion@yahoo.com>
>
>
> While chewing on that=2C let's move to the leading edge=2C where I've dis
covered
> an error (surly not the first).
>
> Apparently=2C the first nine measurements inside the wing profile are mea
sured
> from the reference line. Starting about number 10=2C the measurements are
from
> the bottom capstrip.
>
> I drew the rib template on tracing paper and laid it on my drawing. Works
> out pretty well as it goes from one set of measurements to the other.
>
> The one thing I can't figure out is the point 1.5" up from the reference
> line where the leading edge should touch. The only way to do that is move
> the tracing up so that the bottom edge of the top capstrip is on my line
> (second image).
>
> Perhaps it would be much easier for me to use the Riblett 612.
>
> --------
> John
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430533#430533
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/m2260001_154.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/m2260002_584.jpg
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:38:57 PM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
> From: "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright@emory.edu>
>
>
>
> aerocarjake wrote:
> > Awesome...! I didn't get a chance to fly today but I was up till 1:00
> > am working
> on the Piet - so I'm that much closer...!
> >
> > A colleague from work is coming over to visit my project today. He is
> > beginning
> a Pietenpol project...!
> >
> > Thanks Jeff...!
>
>
> Glad you liked it. A bunch of us at Toogahnein are trying to take a lesso
n
> from this=2C but all I can say is=2C all the local airports were calling
VFR and
> there was an awful lot of blue sky overhead when I took off=2C so I'm not
sure
> what I'd do differently next time. Even when I got back on the ground and
> looking up=2C the scud just faded into the background of a high overcast.
Now=2C
> within 30 min of rolling the Piet into the hangar=2C a lot more stuff rol
led
> in that was very clearly low and bad=2C so that was an easy call to go ge
t a
> coffee.
>
> I do plan to practice my spirals down to a landing.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430536#430536
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:25:08 PM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
> From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net>
>
>
> I flew today too just didn't video it. Same here was foggy early too. It
> lifted but was never true Dotson VFR until noon. I lifted off at 12:20 CD
T
> and was still just about 800. Just local flying and never more than 5 mil
es
> from a good ole grass strip.
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
>
> First flight June 16=2C2012
> Flying in phase 2
> Lycoming O-235 C2C
> Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
> do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430539#430539
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:10:30 PM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Drawing the rib
> From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion@yahoo.com>
>
>
> I made a rough drawing of the Riblett 612. This looks like a 612=2C so I'
ll
> use this for my ribs.
>
> --------
> John
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430541#430541
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/ribnose_101.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/ribmid_414.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/ribtail_104.jpg
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:40:50 PM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
> From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Oh=2C I get it! The craziest VFR landing I ever did was a time when I ca
lled
> the tower to lower the landing light intensity... and then on roll out I
> couldn't see ANYTHING!!!
>
> Just one of those crazy things...
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430542#430542
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:48:43 PM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Drawing the rib
> From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
>
> John wrote:
>
> "Apparently=2C the first nine measurements inside the wing profile are
> measured from the reference line. Starting about number 10=2C the measure
ments
> are from the bottom capstrip."
>
> Where did you get this idea from?
> There are dimensions positioned underneath the reference line. These
> dimensions are from the reference line to the underside of the airfoil.
> Then there are dimensions positioned inside the airfoil shape. these
> dimensions are from the bottom surface of the airfoil to the top of the
> airfoil.
> There is one exception to this convention=2C and that occurs at the first
> position from the leading edge=2C where no lower dimension has been provi
ded -
> just one dimension=2C from reference line to top of airfoil (in this case
2").
>
> I'm assuming that you're using genuine Pietenpol plans (snapshot attached
=2C
> for reference).
>
> If you drew up your airfoil profile using the interpretation you stated
> above=2C you will end up with a distorted airfoil=2C and no doubt would h
ave
> difficulty locating your leading edge at the 1 1/2" height. I suggest yo
u
> try redrawing the airfoil=2C using the proper dimensions. It works.
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430543#430543
>
>
> Attachments:
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>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:18:29 PM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Drawing the rib
> From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Thank you Bill. I have the genuine plans=2C ordered from the official sit
e.
> I'm attaching a photo I took when it arrived.
>
> 1) I drew a straight reference line.
> 2) I made marks from left to right as depicted on the profile view (1/2"
=2C
> then seven 1" and so on. As you know=2C it ends up 60 1/8".
> 3) to draw the bottom=2C I used the measurements written just above the
> spacing measurements (just below the reference line).
> 4) to draw the top=2C I measured from the bottom (capstrip) line using th
e
> measurements provided within the wing.
> 5) I later drew the top line measuring from the bottom reference line.
>
> When I overlaid my sketch with the full size rib drawing (which has shrun
k
> about 1/8")=2C the bottom capstrip lines up nicely. The upper capstrip=2C
> however=2C hit the marks measured from the reference line and around the
tenth
> point=2C seems to match my marks measuring from the bottom capstrip line.
>
> Under the tracing paper=2C at the top capstrip=2C you can make out marks
I have
> showing where the measurements using the horizontal reference line ended
up.
>
> I just thought it was odd and measured everything again (all measurements
> with the same ruler).
>
> The profile shows the LE hits a forward vertical reference line 1 1/2" fr
om
> the horizontal reference line. I'm not sure how that can happen using the
> full size rib drawing I have=3B and even with the rib drawn using the
> measurements=2C it still won't work.
>
> I'll check it again tomorrow. I'll use a different ruler. Oh=2C I even wo
re my
> eyeglasses for this.
>
> --------
> John
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430544#430544
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/plans_arrive_774.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/m2260010_363.jpg
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 12
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:53:25 PM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine Run Full Video
> From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>
> And that's what they're supposed to sound like! Very nice=2C Michael. Y
ou
> might want to look at the position of the prop when it stops=2C and possi
bly
> re-clock it to a different position to make starting a bit easier. It
> appeared that the person who was doing the propping had to reposition the
> prop to get it where the blade was ready to stroke downward=2C and in doi
ng so
> had to pull it through part of a cycle by hand. This can sometimes lead
to
> a start when the person doing the propping isn't ready. My prop stops at
> roughly the 10 o'clock-4 o'clock position=2C ready for the next start=2C
and
> rarely requires any manual repositioning to get the downward blade into
> position. Picture here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/a75005.j
pg
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford=2C OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "=3BScout"=3B
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430545#430545
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 13
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:12:11 PM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
> From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Experimental 41CC put in just about 1.0 in the logbook on Saturday=2C fly
ing
> amongst a steady stream of air tankers coming and going from wildland fir
es
> in our region. VERY busy at our airport=2C which has not one but two tan
ker
> bases set up this fire season and although I took it on up to 3000'=2C th
e
> horizontal visibility really deteriorated fast so after that I kept it do
wn
> low.
>
> The temporary tanker base on the east side of our field is home to a pair
of
> heavy DC-10s for the duration=2C and besides the PV-2s and other stuff th
ere
> has also been a very interesting amphibious tanker=2C heli-tankers=2C and
a pair
> of turbine aerial applicators (Thrushes?) working the fires. Last week I
> pulled the plane out but didn't even attempt to go up... they were even
> holding King Airs outside the Class Delta airspace at times=2C it was so
busy
> with tankers.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford=2C OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "=3BScout"=3B
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430546#430546
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 14
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:21:12 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
> From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
>
> Oscar=2C
>
> Those fire fighting pilots are heroes in my book. Glad they are there to
> keep the forest fires at bay and you and your Scout safe.
>
> Cheers=2C Ken
>
> p.s. Nice to have you back on the list!
>
> On Sun=2C Sep 14=2C 2014 at 9:11 PM=2C taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> >
> > Experimental 41CC put in just about 1.0 in the logbook on Saturday=2C
> > flying amongst a steady stream of air tankers coming and going from
> > wildland fires in our region. VERY busy at our airport=2C which has no
t
> > one but two tanker bases set up this fire season and although I took
> > it on up to 3000'=2C the horizontal visibility really deteriorated fast
> > so after that I kept it down low.
> >
> > The temporary tanker base on the east side of our field is home to a
> > pair of heavy DC-10s for the duration=2C and besides the PV-2s and othe
r
> > stuff there has also been a very interesting amphibious tanker=2C
> > heli-tankers=2C and a pair of turbine aerial applicators (Thrushes?)
> > working the fires. Last week I pulled the plane out but didn't even
> > attempt to go up... they were even holding King Airs outside the Class
> > Delta airspace at times=2C it was so busy with tankers.
> >
> > --------
> > Oscar Zuniga
> > Medford=2C OR
> > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> > A75 power
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430546#430546
> >
> >
>
> ________________________________ Message 15
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:28:40 PM PST US
> From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
>
>
> Does it look like this=2COscar?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCL0_TTsHzo
>
> Clif
>
>
> there has also been a very interesting amphibious tanker=2C > --------
> > Oscar Zuniga
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 16
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:33:35 PM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
> From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Clif=3B
>
> I think it's a CL-415 but I haven't seen it very often. I'll have to pay
> closer attention next time. It's yellow =3Bo)
>
> Ken=3B I'm not yet resubscribed to the list but thought I'd check in on t
he
> Forum tonight to see what was up. I'll be back in a few weeks=3B promise
.
> Meantime=2C I can report that the tanker operators here are really cool
> customers. In the
> 24+ months that I spent almost every Saturday and Sunday afternoon at
> 24+ the hangar
> working on the Piet=2C I kept my little Icom on the tower frequency to ke
ep up
> with the radio chatter and it's always interesting during fire season Th
e
> tanker pilots are professional=2C consistent=2C concise=2C and occasional
ly
> entertaining.
> The tanker fleet at the moment includes a pair of BAE-146s that seem to h
ave
> come with British crew=2C because the voice on the radio is definitely Li
mey
> =3Bo) Then there was the day when Tanker Six had a stuck mike=2C much to
the
> consternation of the extremely busy tower controller=2C and we all listen
ed to
> the captain's cockpit calls for about 10 minutes=2C 'gear up'=2C 'flaps
five'=2C
> etc.- while nobody else could conduct communications. Finally we heard t
he
> captain of the tanker declare=2C "I can't hear a thing so my mike must be
> stuck" and I guess he powered down the COMM at that point. They really d
o a
> good job=2C and I only wish I could get over close to the tanker base to
smell
> the blue oil smoke when they fire up the big R-3350s on the P2V Neptunes.
I
> love radials.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford=2C OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "=3BScout"=3B
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430550#430550
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question |
Peter,
Your welcome. Mike.Madrid got back.with me last night. All four of his are 20 78
inches.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Thanks Mike P. for the good word and yes Dan Helsper, the hope is to fina
lly fly back to Brodhead next July for the Piet fly-in. My goal is to let
Simon McCormack fly it with his wife Susan at Brodhead.
Mike C.
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Hello,
I am writing to thank you all for all the help you give me through the forum and/or
in person during this 4 years of "job" with this beautiful airplane.
i am at a cross road where I could not leave, I try it during the lasts 9 months,
but I could not find a solution, so I sold the project, and I expect to see
it fly soon.
i am going to seek others flaying machines to take my feets out of the earth for
a while.. no so beatufull as a Pietenpol, other thing.
I am going to stay here to look what you talk about every now and then, you are
a great group of persons, I have learned and enjoyed a lot with you, thank you
very much.
Jack, you have to do something with the place of the proyect, its going to be in
"Mercedes, Soriano, Uruguay", the new owner is Antonio Racioppi; may be someone
of the group knows him.
Thanks a lot again and best Regards
do not archive
--------
Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question |
It just dawned on me...
The full size rib drawing is apparently an improved wing from the one shown on
sheet 5. The front nine inches of the full size improved rib is quite more narrower
than page 5, and the very tip of the leading edge will be at least half
an inch lower than sheet 5.
That would affect the chord line. Seems to me that no matter what rib is used,
a builder would have to draw the chord line and measure that off the longitudinal
axis to achieve the required angle (affects cabanes length).
The remainder of the plans may be based of the old rib (page 5) and not factor
the changes of the new rib. I expect some measurements to be off because of this.
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John
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So glad you were able to find enjoyment in the time you did spend on the Pietenpol.
It will always carry your spirit. Sorry you could not carry it forward. You
wll always be part of this group of souls who are taking flight via history
and camaraderie....!
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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