---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 10/09/14: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:41 AM - Progress in Pryor (Jim Markle) 2. 09:51 AM - Re: Progress in Pryor (Boatright, Jeffrey) 3. 09:57 AM - Covering and Painting (Jim Boyer) 4. 10:06 AM - Re: Progress in Pryor (Scott Knowlton) 5. 10:19 AM - Re: Progress in Pryor (Jim Markle) 6. 10:32 AM - Re: Progress in Pryor (Scott Knowlton) 7. 10:36 AM - Re: Progress in Pryor (Ken Bickers) 8. 10:41 AM - Re: Progress in Pryor (Boatright, Jeffrey) 9. 10:42 AM - Re: Progress in Pryor (Dan Yocum) 10. 10:43 AM - Re: Progress in Pryor (Gary Boothe) 11. 11:11 AM - Re: Progress in Pryor (dfwplt) 12. 01:12 PM - Re: Re: tossing and turning (Steven Dortch) 13. 05:14 PM - Re: Progress in Pryor (Ray Krause) 14. 05:26 PM - Re: Progress in Pryor (dfwplt) 15. 06:59 PM - Re: lift struts 2 (dgaldrich) 16. 10:32 PM - Re: Covering and Painting (jim hyde) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:43 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Progress in Pryor Wanted to share some recent progress on "The People's Piet". Covering and painting is FUN!!! One picture of before paint and one of after paint....right side up and bottom with access panel uncovered facing the camera. One is of the blue tape effort at finding the curve I wanted. Replaced with holding a thin strip of 1/16" ply around that same general curve and marking it with a pencil. Worked on THAT layout for the last 10+ years and like it a lot. Should have the fuse painted and back on the gear by the end of the month (October) then on to the wings! A bit of varnish here and there and they'll be ready for covering. This is an incredibly fun part of the process! Jim in Pryor ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:51:35 AM PST US From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Progress in Pryor Very cool, Jim! Congratulations!! Brodhead '15 or Bust! ________________________________________ Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine ________________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] on behalf of Jim Markle [jim_markle@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 12:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Progress in Pryor Wanted to share some recent progress on "The People's Piet". Covering and painting is FUN!!! One picture of before paint and one of after paint....right side up and bottom with access panel uncovered facing the camera. One is of the blue tape effort at finding the curve I wanted. Replaced with holding a thin strip of 1/16" ply around that same general curve and marking it with a pencil. Worked on THAT layout for the last 10+ years and like it a lot. Should have the fuse painted and back on the gear by the end of the month (October) then on to the wings! A bit of varnish here and there and they'll be ready for covering. This is an incredibly fun part of the process! Jim in Pryor ________________________________ This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (including attachments). ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:45 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Pietenpol-List: Covering and Painting Hi Jim, Your progress on painting is looking good. Its nice to see your Piet getting so close. Cheers, Jim B. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:06:01 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress in Pryor From: Scott Knowlton Very nice Jim! Is that latex? Nice curve!!!! Scott K. Burlington ON Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 9, 2014, at 12:51 PM, "Jim Markle" wrote: > > Wanted to share some recent progress on "The People's Piet". Covering and painting is FUN!!! > > One picture of before paint and one of after paint....right side up and bottom with access panel uncovered facing the camera. One is of the blue tape effort at finding the curve I wanted. Replaced with holding a thin strip of 1/16" ply around that same general curve and marking it with a pencil. Worked on THAT layout for the last 10+ years and like it a lot. > > Should have the fuse painted and back on the gear by the end of the month (October) then on to the wings! A bit of varnish here and there and they'll be ready for covering. > > This is an incredibly fun part of the process! > > Jim in Pryor > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:19:07 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress in Pryor Thank you Scott. It is latex...Sherwin Williams best! -----Original Message----- >From: Scott Knowlton >Sent: Oct 9, 2014 12:05 PM >To: Jim Markle >Cc: Pietenpol List >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress in Pryor > >Very nice Jim! Is that latex? Nice curve!!!! > >Scott K. >Burlington ON > >Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 9, 2014, at 12:51 PM, "Jim Markle" wrote: >> >> Wanted to share some recent progress on "The People's Piet". Covering and painting is FUN!!! >> >> One picture of before paint and one of after paint....right side up and bottom with access panel uncovered facing the camera. One is of the blue tape effort at finding the curve I wanted. Replaced with holding a thin strip of 1/16" ply around that same general curve and marking it with a pencil. Worked on THAT layout for the last 10+ years and like it a lot. >> >> Should have the fuse painted and back on the gear by the end of the month (October) then on to the wings! A bit of varnish here and there and they'll be ready for covering. >> >> This is an incredibly fun part of the process! >> >> Jim in Pryor >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:32:24 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress in Pryor From: Scott Knowlton Great looking finish. Did you spray? Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 9, 2014, at 1:21 PM, "Jim Markle" wrote: > > > Thank you Scott. It is latex...Sherwin Williams best! > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Scott Knowlton >> Sent: Oct 9, 2014 12:05 PM >> To: Jim Markle >> Cc: Pietenpol List >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress in Pryor >> >> Very nice Jim! Is that latex? Nice curve!!!! >> >> Scott K. >> Burlington ON >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 9, 2014, at 12:51 PM, "Jim Markle" wrote: >>> >>> Wanted to share some recent progress on "The People's Piet". Covering and painting is FUN!!! >>> >>> One picture of before paint and one of after paint....right side up and bottom with access panel uncovered facing the camera. One is of the blue tape effort at finding the curve I wanted. Replaced with holding a thin strip of 1/16" ply around that same general curve and marking it with a pencil. Worked on THAT layout for the last 10+ years and like it a lot. >>> >>> Should have the fuse painted and back on the gear by the end of the month (October) then on to the wings! A bit of varnish here and there and they'll be ready for covering. >>> >>> This is an incredibly fun part of the process! >>> >>> Jim in Pryor >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:36:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress in Pryor From: Ken Bickers Okay, Jim, now you've started an argument. Airplanes with Sherwin Williams on them fall out of the sky. The only paint that should ever go on an airplane comes from Benjamin Moore. :) Seriously, looks great. Cheers, Ken On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Jim Markle wrote: > jim_markle@mindspring.com> > > Thank you Scott. It is latex...Sherwin Williams best! > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Scott Knowlton > >Sent: Oct 9, 2014 12:05 PM > >To: Jim Markle > >Cc: Pietenpol List > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress in Pryor > > > >Very nice Jim! Is that latex? Nice curve!!!! > > > >Scott K. > >Burlington ON > > > >Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Oct 9, 2014, at 12:51 PM, "Jim Markle" > wrote: > >> > >> Wanted to share some recent progress on "The People's Piet". Covering > and painting is FUN!!! > >> > >> One picture of before paint and one of after paint....right side up and > bottom with access panel uncovered facing the camera. One is of the blue > tape effort at finding the curve I wanted. Replaced with holding a thin > strip of 1/16" ply around that same general curve and marking it with a > pencil. Worked on THAT layout for the last 10+ years and like it a lot. > >> > >> Should have the fuse painted and back on the gear by the end of the > month (October) then on to the wings! A bit of varnish here and there and > they'll be ready for covering. > >> > >> This is an incredibly fun part of the process! > >> > >> Jim in Pryor > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:41:38 AM PST US From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress in Pryor U2hlcndpbiBXaWxsaWFtcz8hIFNoZXJ3aW4gV2lsbGlhbXMhPyENCg0KVGhhdCBndXkgc3RpbGwg b3dlcyBtZSA1MCBidWNrcyENCg0KRnJvbTogS2VuIEJpY2tlcnMgPGJpY2tlcnMua2VuQGdtYWls LmNvbTxtYWlsdG86Ymlja2Vycy5rZW5AZ21haWwuY29tPj4NClJlcGx5LVRvOiAicGlldGVucG9s LWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbTxtYWlsdG86cGlldGVucG9sLWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbT4i IDxwaWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tPG1haWx0bzpwaWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRy b25pY3MuY29tPj4NCkRhdGU6IFRodXJzZGF5LCBPY3RvYmVyIDksIDIwMTQgYXQgMTozNSBQTQ0K VG86ICJwaWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tPG1haWx0bzpwaWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBt YXRyb25pY3MuY29tPiIgPHBpZXRlbnBvbC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb208bWFpbHRvOnBpZXRl bnBvbC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20+Pg0KU3ViamVjdDogUmU6IFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0OiBQ cm9ncmVzcyBpbiBQcnlvcg0KDQpPa2F5LCBKaW0sIG5vdyB5b3UndmUgc3RhcnRlZCBhbiBhcmd1 bWVudC4gIEFpcnBsYW5lcyB3aXRoIFNoZXJ3aW4gV2lsbGlhbXMgb24gdGhlbSBmYWxsIG91dCBv ZiB0aGUgc2t5LiAgVGhlIG9ubHkgcGFpbnQgdGhhdCBzaG91bGQgZXZlciBnbyBvbiBhbiBhaXJw bGFuZSBjb21lcyBmcm9tIEJlbmphbWluIE1vb3JlLg0KDQo6KQ0KDQpTZXJpb3VzbHksIGxvb2tz IGdyZWF0Lg0KDQpDaGVlcnMsIEtlbg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fDQoNClRoaXMgZS1tYWlsIG1lc3NhZ2UgKGluY2x1ZGluZyBhbnkgYXR0YWNobWVu dHMpIGlzIGZvciB0aGUgc29sZSB1c2Ugb2YNCnRoZSBpbnRlbmRlZCByZWNpcGllbnQocykgYW5k IG1heSBjb250YWluIGNvbmZpZGVudGlhbCBhbmQgcHJpdmlsZWdlZA0KaW5mb3JtYXRpb24uIElm IHRoZSByZWFkZXIgb2YgdGhpcyBtZXNzYWdlIGlzIG5vdCB0aGUgaW50ZW5kZWQNCnJlY2lwaWVu dCwgeW91IGFyZSBoZXJlYnkgbm90aWZpZWQgdGhhdCBhbnkgZGlzc2VtaW5hdGlvbiwgZGlzdHJp YnV0aW9uDQpvciBjb3B5aW5nIG9mIHRoaXMgbWVzc2FnZSAoaW5jbHVkaW5nIGFueSBhdHRhY2ht ZW50cykgaXMgc3RyaWN0bHkNCnByb2hpYml0ZWQuDQoNCklmIHlvdSBoYXZlIHJlY2VpdmVkIHRo aXMgbWVzc2FnZSBpbiBlcnJvciwgcGxlYXNlIGNvbnRhY3QNCnRoZSBzZW5kZXIgYnkgcmVwbHkg ZS1tYWlsIG1lc3NhZ2UgYW5kIGRlc3Ryb3kgYWxsIGNvcGllcyBvZiB0aGUNCm9yaWdpbmFsIG1l c3NhZ2UgKGluY2x1ZGluZyBhdHRhY2htZW50cykuDQo ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:48 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress in Pryor +1 gazillion! Very nice, Jim! On 10/09/2014 11:40 AM, Jim Markle wrote: > Wanted to share some recent progress on "The People's Piet". Covering and painting is FUN!!! > > One picture of before paint and one of after paint....right side up and bottom with access panel uncovered facing the camera. One is of the blue tape effort at finding the curve I wanted. Replaced with holding a thin strip of 1/16" ply around that same general curve and marking it with a pencil. Worked on THAT layout for the last 10+ years and like it a lot. > > Should have the fuse painted and back on the gear by the end of the month (October) then on to the wings! A bit of varnish here and there and they'll be ready for covering. > > This is an incredibly fun part of the process! > > Jim in Pryor > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:38 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress in Pryor From: Gary Boothe ...or Kelly Moore. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 9, 2014, at 10:32 AM, Scott Knowlton wrote: > > > Great looking finish. Did you spray? > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 9, 2014, at 1:21 PM, "Jim Markle" wrote: >> >> >> Thank you Scott. It is latex...Sherwin Williams best! >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Scott Knowlton >>> Sent: Oct 9, 2014 12:05 PM >>> To: Jim Markle >>> Cc: Pietenpol List >>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress in Pryor >>> >>> Very nice Jim! Is that latex? Nice curve!!!! >>> >>> Scott K. >>> Burlington ON >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Oct 9, 2014, at 12:51 PM, "Jim Markle" wrote: >>>> >>>> Wanted to share some recent progress on "The People's Piet". Covering and painting is FUN!!! >>>> >>>> One picture of before paint and one of after paint....right side up and bottom with access panel uncovered facing the camera. One is of the blue tape effort at finding the curve I wanted. Replaced with holding a thin strip of 1/16" ply around that same general curve and marking it with a pencil. Worked on THAT layout for the last 10+ years and like it a lot. >>>> >>>> Should have the fuse painted and back on the gear by the end of the month (October) then on to the wings! A bit of varnish here and there and they'll be ready for covering. >>>> >>>> This is an incredibly fun part of the process! >>>> >>>> Jim in Pryor >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:10 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Progress in Pryor From: "dfwplt" Thanks everyone for the compliments! I'm using a foam brush and doing multiple cross coats. Around the curve I used a bristle angled brush but the rest is foam. Painting on 95+ degree days was challenging but seems to be working out ok now that the temp has dropped. Maybe you can tell from the attached that it leaves a bit of a brush line but I like the look. I do have an HVLP setup and would prefer using it but the time involved is an issue. With a foam brush I can go to the shop, add a cross coat and throw the brush away. No real clean up if I want. I've found that I can make a LOT of progress if it's easy to get to. Of course, I've gone out for a "quick" 15 minutes of painting and came inside to a dark house at midnight. But what fun! Wait, what? If I spray it won't "fall out of the sky"???? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431698#431698 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/photoline_494.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/photoline_193.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/photoline_465.jpg ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:12:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: tossing and turning From: Steven Dortch You can never have too many airplanes! Steve D. Piet in progress, Vtail Bonanza waiting for an annual after the Piet flies. Note: my wife does not agree. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 4:47 PM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> > > Great post Mike, > > I haven't slept well this week too. My problem is only slightly > different. I have a friend who has offered me his 4 place 170 MPH home > built airplane for a very reasonable price. Do I want it? YES. Do I need > it? No. Hmm, That would mean two airplanes. One slow and one to go places > in. Guess I'll try to sleep on it. Did I say it was a great buy? Oh yes, I > did. Now what do I do? > > I can't sleep either, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431667#431667 > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:14:15 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress in Pryor From: Ray Krause Jim, That looks great! I should start covering in November, right after finishing the rigging. I am looking forward to it! Thanks for encouragement! Will you be Flying this Spring/Summer? Thanks, Ray Krause Building SkyScout Sent from my iPad > On Oct 9, 2014, at 9:40 AM, Jim Markle wrote: > > Wanted to share some recent progress on "The People's Piet". Covering and painting is FUN!!! > > One picture of before paint and one of after paint....right side up and bottom with access panel uncovered facing the camera. One is of the blue tape effort at finding the curve I wanted. Replaced with holding a thin strip of 1/16" ply around that same general curve and marking it with a pencil. Worked on THAT layout for the last 10+ years and like it a lot. > > Should have the fuse painted and back on the gear by the end of the month (October) then on to the wings! A bit of varnish here and there and they'll be ready for covering. > > This is an incredibly fun part of the process! > > Jim in Pryor > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Progress in Pryor From: "dfwplt" Ray, flying in 2015 is the plan! The way things are going right now it's entirely doable. Jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431718#431718 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: lift struts 2 From: "dgaldrich" Clif I think it was Jack Phillips that said you divide by the cosine of the angle between the struts and the spar to get the tensile load on the strut. Example: 30 degree angle (cos = .5); lift required = 5,000 lbs. Total tensile load 5,000/.5 = 10,000 lbs. To the original question, if you assume the rear struts and the cabanes take NONE of the load, that leaves about 4,000 lbs for each of the load bearing struts. With an angle of 30 degrees between the struts and spar, the tensile load is 8,000 +/-. In theory, the struts should be good for 9 G's in tension. Now compression is another subject... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431720#431720 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:53 PM PST US From: jim hyde Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Covering and Painting thank you u should see the heath parasol On Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:57 AM, Jim Boyer wrote: Hi Jim, Your progress on painting is looking good. Its nice to see your Piet getting so close. 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