---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/15/14: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:07 AM - Re: Re: Placards and Markings (Jack Phillips) 2. 09:39 AM - Re: advice on trim mechanism (AircamperN11MS) 3. 09:42 AM - Re: advice on trim mechanism (AircamperN11MS) 4. 09:47 AM - Re: advice on trim mechanism (AircamperN11MS) 5. 10:34 AM - Re: Re: advice on trim mechanism (woodflier) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:33 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Placards and Markings Before I called the local FSDO to come out to do the airwirthiness inspection on my Pietenpol, I printed out the applicable FARs and had them ready. When he balked at the missing EXPERIMENTAL label, I just handed him the regs, along with a picture of the Rudolph Pietenpol (the regs don't require EXPERIMENTAL if the NX is applied in the numbers and the design has been flying for at leat 30 years. Since the Rudolph Piet has been flying since 1934 that was part of the qualification.). He signed it off with no further questions. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:48 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Placards and Markings FWIW, my FAA inspector could care less about the "NX" on my N-number. He only wanted to see the word "EXPERIMENTAL" somewhere on the foreword panel. Gary NX308MB Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 14, 2014, at 8:10 PM, taildrags wrote: > > > Ken; > > By the way, you didn't mention any questions about placards but you're sure to start a lively discussion by asking about the "passenger warning" placard. My airplane and others do not have the "EXPERIMENTAL" letters by the cockpit entry, under the exception in the FARs that covers aircraft bearing the "NX..." registration markings. This is covered in 14 CFR 14.22 and 23. If the registration markings do not include the X between the N and the registration numbers, then the "EXPERIMENTAL" marking is required near the cockpit entry. > > My aircraft is placarded "REAR SEAT SOLO ONLY" in the front cockpit since the aircraft cannot be operated within its limitations solo from the front seat. There is no front seat solo loading configuration that will keep the CG within the allowable range for the aircraft. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431891#431891 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:39:12 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: advice on trim mechanism From: "AircamperN11MS" Gardiner, Here are some pics of mine. I can only seem to add one pic at a time so there will be 3 post. Lets give it a try. Paul. Just a FYI, I have never flown a Piet that would fly hands off like you are hoping. The best has been for only a few seconds at a time. It is not like trimming a cessna for various airspeeds. You may be asking too much from the Piet. My 3 cents. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431906#431906 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1020396_286.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:42:07 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: advice on trim mechanism From: "AircamperN11MS" Simple bell crank with tension spring on one side and a pull cable on the other. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431907#431907 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_107_169.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:47:46 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: advice on trim mechanism From: "AircamperN11MS" Again with a simple bell crank with a tension spring, pull cable attached to it and a friction ajustment to hold it in position. It is a VERY effective trim tab. Sorry for the fuzzy pic but it is all I have right now. The bell crank is at the base of the throttle lever. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431908#431908 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_111_140.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:34:59 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: advice on trim mechanism From: woodflier At a certain fuel level, mine will fly hands off in pitch, but I have a bit more washout on the left wing than t he right and without feet on the rudder bar, mine will gra dually turn left. Gonna try and fix that with a new front right strut fitting over the winter, and possibly an elevator trim gizmo. =0A=0A=0AMatt Paxton=0ANX629ML=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Mess age-----=0AFrom: AircamperN11MS =0ATo: pietenpol -list =0ASent: Wed, Oct 15, 2014 12:39 pm=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: advice on trim mechanism=0A=0A=0A d@lacity.org>=0A=0AGardiner,=0A=0AHere are some pics of mine. I can only seem to add one pic at a time so there =0Awill be 3 post. Lets give it a try. =0A=0APaul. Just a FYI, I have never flown a Piet that would fly hands off like you =0Aare hoping. The best has been for only a fe w seconds at a time. It is not like =0Atrimming a cessn a for various airspeeds. You may be asking too much from the =0APiet. My 3 cents.=0A=0A--------=0AScott Liefeld=0AFlying N11M S since March 1972=0ASteel Tube=0AC-85-12=0AWire Wheels=0ABrodhead i n 1996=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.m atronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431906#431906=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AAttachments: =0A=0A =========================== =========================== =========================== ===========================0A =========================== =========================== =========================== ===============0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.