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1. 05:58 AM - Re: Making airplane noises... lower the seat? (GNflyer)
2. 08:40 AM - Re: Making airplane noises... lower the seat? (Riegerb)
3. 08:58 AM - Re: Re: Making airplane noises... lower the seat? (Jack Phillips)
4. 10:55 AM - Re: KLHM Open House (Jim Boyer)
5. 10:58 AM - Re: Making airplane noises... lower the seat? (Jim Boyer)
6. 04:34 PM - Re: Making airplane noises... lower the seat? (GNflyer)
7. 04:45 PM - Re: Making airplane noises... lower the seat? (gsnewsome)
8. 06:08 PM - Re: KLHM Open House (Gary Boothe)
9. 07:07 PM - Re: KLHM Open House (taildrags)
10. 08:12 PM - Re: Re: Making airplane noises... lower the seat? (Clif Dawson)
11. 08:21 PM - Re: Re: KLHM Open House (Ken Bickers)
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Subject: | Re: Making airplane noises... lower the seat? |
my front seat height turned into a problem- basically because the one time I flew
with a passenger I found it impossible to use the rudder pedals without interference
with his backside and my feet. I made a raised seat piece and installed
it but have not flown with a passenger sine. this says more about my big feet
than the width of his posterior. maybe a genuine Piet has different clearance
issues than a Grega but I can't imagine that much difference there
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Subject: | Re: Making airplane noises... lower the seat? |
Thanks for the all the info Tools... these are great anecdotes to work by. Love
the stories Oscar =) I attached a picture of the landing gear I'm using...
GNflyer, could you explain how your feet were interfering with the passenger? Your
toes were clipping the passenger seat/backside and you raised the seat to
change the angle of your feet using the rudder?
I've read some old posts that suggest not completely gluing in the seat until your
control assembly is dry fitted to make sure everything has appropriate clearance.
I'll certainly do this but also want to make sure my head isn't in the
wind stream with (some) seat padding... =p
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Subject: | Re: Making airplane noises... lower the seat? |
While the majority of flights are short, if you ever plan to fly it to
Brodhead and you don't live in the midwest, you can plan on some miserably
long flights. I've flown mine to Brodhead 5 times, and each time requires
about 13 hours flying time, each way. One year I did it all in one day
(never again!). I took off from Raleigh NC just before dawn and landed at
Brodhead about 20 minutes after sunset.
I've done a number of cross-countries in mine (other than going to and from
Brodhead), ranging from an hour and a half to five hours or more, so don't
think you'll never fly more than 30 minutes.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Making airplane noises... lower the seat?
I'm with 'tools' as far as duration of flights. Many of mine, 0.5 or so in
the logbook, are just to get the airplane out, warm up the oil, and make a
couple of circuits of the field to stay current and to challenge my skills.
For this type of flight you won't be up long enough to feel the seat
padding, the cold or heat, or much of anything else... the thrill of flight
will be the dominant sensation.
The next most popular type of flight that I make, anywhere from 0.5 to 1.0
in the logbook, is when I go out to survey the landscape, observe enemy
movements, and sometimes to run through stalls and airmanship maneuvers.
I'll make a strafing run on a freight train or suspected enemy encampment as
needed to confirm Vne in a maximum dive and pull-up after dropping my bombs
on the train, but mostly I'll be at 1500-2000 MSL looking at the scenery,
the change of seasons, and just enjoying the airplane. For these flights, I
might notice my headset 'clamping' towards the end of a flight, or I might
feel a chill up my pants legs if the air is cool, or I might notice having
to hold aft stick if the nose tank was full when I started- but not much
else. This is Pietenpoling at its finest.
The least frequent type of flight that I make is in excess of 1.0 in the
logbook and can be a hop over to a nearby field for an event, or a short
x-c, or in a rare instance, a "long" (for me) x-c of several fuel stops and
a day or so of travel each way. On those flights, I definitely notice the
seat padding, the suitability of my clothing for the weather, the CG shift
as fuel burns, the tightness of the headset, and a lot of other things as
the flight progresses. After about 2.0, I want to get on the ground,
stretch, fuel up, check oil, and inspect the airplane.
I have never flown Scout for more than about 4.0 at a time, so you iron-butt
guys will have to chime in here. I can say that the angle of the seat
bottom really begins to play a big part in cockpit comfort after 2.0 in the
seat, or maybe it's just us slimmer pilots, because my tailbones really
begin to feel the plywood seat bottom after about 90-120 minutes in the
seat. There is no way for me to shift my weight onto my thighs because of
the geometric relationship of the rudder bar to the pilot's seat, so I
settle into the "lift and shift" weight transfer mode and tough it out after
that.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: KLHM Open House |
Everybody wants to park next to your Piet so their plane gets some attentio
n.
Cheers, Jim
=C2-
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Subject: | Re: Making airplane noises... lower the seat? |
Looks like you have a good start. I wouldn't worry to much about seat height until
you get the instrument panel and bulkheads in place so you can tell if you
can see over them.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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Subject: | Re: Making airplane noises... lower the seat? |
the problem I was having was with my feet hitting the sides of his rear - now maybe
my size 11's are just that big. but if it happens again I'm thinking about
some type seat pan up there that would hold the sitter in front in just enough
to clear the insides of my feet. like they say - bet you won't have any unusual
problems if you build to plans.- main thing is to keep moving forward. it
is fun to see the parts start fitting together isn't it?
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Subject: | Re: Making airplane noises... lower the seat? |
Glad to hear you use the piet for x country trips. Not sure what build I will
end up with, but I hope to use it for x country and local flying...
jack(at)bedfordlandings.c wrote:
> While the majority of flights are short, if you ever plan to fly it to
> Brodhead and you don't live in the midwest, you can plan on some miserably
> long flights. I've flown mine to Brodhead 5 times, and each time requires
> about 13 hours flying time, each way. One year I did it all in one day
> (never again!). I took off from Raleigh NC just before dawn and landed at
> Brodhead about 20 minutes after sunset.
>
> I've done a number of cross-countries in mine (other than going to and from
> Brodhead), ranging from an hour and a half to five hours or more, so don't
> think you'll never fly more than 30 minutes.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
>
> --
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Thanks, Jim & Ray. I have the advantage of having the only Pietenpol
that most have seen! They wouldn=99t know a poorly built one from
a cream puff, like Mike Cuy=99s or Kurt Shipman=99s! One
pilot had seen another Piet with standard A/C wheels and tires and
thought that the builder had made a mistake. Jerry Dotson had even
commented about how embarrassing it sometimes is. Ray, I=99m sure
you know that feeling.an odd mix of pride and
self-consciousnessespecially when you=99re parked next to
a gorgeous Baby Ace or Fairchild 24.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: KLHM Open House
Everybody wants to park next to your Piet so their plane gets some
attention.
Cheers, Jim
Gary,
Especially when it is such a beautifully crafted Pietenpol!
Great job,
Ray Krause
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Subject: | Re: KLHM Open House |
Gary;
I have experienced some of the same feeling the one and only time I took Scout
to a fly-in. Kevin Purtee had gotten there before I did, so onlookers had seen
his airplane with its spoked wheels and motorcycle tires, trim lines, sharp
workmanship, and all the rest. Then I flew in with fat 6.00x6s and a faux Army
Air Corps trainer paint scheme, along with a 'worn but comfortable' look about
the airplane. I felt sort of like a short, grizzled old man with a gimpy leg,
couple of days' growth of beard, and a smelly cigar walking into a Starbucks
in San Francisco. Fortunately Kevin didn't say anything and even let me park
Scout next to Fat Bottomed Girl.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: Making airplane noises... lower the seat? |
Hmmm..... Why not buy one of those antique galvanized
wash tubs the size of that seat. Anybody wants a ride
their butt has to fit in the tub. Too big--too bad. :-)
Now if they're just a little bit too big, well, they're stuck
in the tub and can't go flying anyway.
Clif
"Sitting still is highly dangerous." (James A. Levine
> the problem I was having was with my feet hitting the sides of his rear -
> now maybe my size 11's are just that big. but if it happens again I'm
> thinking about some type seat pan up there that would hold the sitter in
> front in just enough to clear the insides of my feet.
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Subject: | Re: KLHM Open House |
Oscar, I've seen Kevin's Fat Bottom Girl. She was (and, no doubt, will be
again) absolutely gorgeous. But I've seen Scout, too. There aren't many
airplanes anywhere that are as charming as Scout. Every snowflake is
unique. There all special in their own way. Cheers, Ken
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 10:07 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Gary;
>
> I have experienced some of the same feeling the one and only time I took
> Scout to a fly-in. Kevin Purtee had gotten there before I did, so
> onlookers had seen his airplane with its spoked wheels and motorcycle
> tires, trim lines, sharp workmanship, and all the rest. Then I flew in
> with fat 6.00x6s and a faux Army Air Corps trainer paint scheme, along with
> a 'worn but comfortable' look about the airplane. I felt sort of like a
> short, grizzled old man with a gimpy leg, couple of days' growth of beard,
> and a smelly cigar walking into a Starbucks in San Francisco. Fortunately
> Kevin didn't say anything and even let me park Scout next to Fat Bottomed
> Girl.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432106#432106
>
>
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