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1. 06:44 AM - Varnish (Harvey Plummer)
2. 07:23 AM - Re: Varnish (Jack Phillips)
3. 08:38 AM - Re: Varnish (Steven Dortch)
4. 08:51 AM - Re: Varnish (Ken Bickers)
5. 09:03 AM - Re: Varnish (John Franklin)
6. 09:04 AM - Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh (taildrags)
7. 09:16 AM - Re: Varnish (Barry Davis)
8. 10:03 AM - Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh (taildrags)
9. 10:22 AM - Re: Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh (Boatright, Jeffrey)
10. 01:49 PM - Re: Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh (Steven Dortch)
11. 02:37 PM - Re: Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh (Mike Salerno)
12. 03:37 PM - Request for Latex Paint Projects (gliderx5@comcast.net)
13. 04:15 PM - Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh (taildrags)
14. 04:25 PM - Re: advice on trim mechanism (Jeff Boatright)
15. 04:56 PM - Re: advice on trim mechanism (jarheadpilot82)
16. 05:31 PM - Re: advice on trim mechanism (taildrags)
17. 05:42 PM - Re: Request for Latex Paint Projects (taildrags)
18. 05:42 PM - Re: advice on trim mechanism (jarheadpilot82)
19. 06:16 PM - Re: advice on trim mechanism (Jeff Boatright)
20. 07:30 PM - Re: Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh (Clif Dawson)
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I am completing construction of my Vertical Stabilizer. Should I varnish the entire
stabilizer? Is there an issue with applying the covering later over varnish?
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Yes, everything should be varnished - not just the vertical stabilizer but
all wood on the entire airplane. This is the only way to prevent dry rot.
As for covering over varnish, it depends on which covering process you are
using. If using the Stits PolyFiber process, Poly-Tak can lift some
varnishes. They recommend using their Epoxy Varnish. I used it all over
the airplane. It's expensive but is darned near bulletproof once it is
cured.
I can't speak to other covering systems, such as Stewart.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harvey
Plummer
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Varnish
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I am completing construction of my Vertical Stabilizer. Should I varnish the
entire stabilizer? Is there an issue with applying the covering later over
varnish?
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Harv, 485PB
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Is there a Lowes or Home depot Aviation department varnish that is
acceptable?
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Steve, the answer will depend on what covering system you choose to use. I
had decided many years ago to use the Stewart System. It works happily
with the one-part spar varnishes that you will find at Home Depot or
Lowes. If you are going with the Stits-Polyfiber system, you'll need
something that isn't effected by MEK. That means a two-part epoxy varnish,
such as the product sold as part of that system. Ken
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
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> Is there a Lowes or Home depot Aviation department varnish that is
> acceptable?
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> Steve D
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Steve,
I did a test "coupon" using Minwax polyurethane spar varnish. The article I read,
I believe by Ron Alexander, said to wet a rag with MEK and let it soak on
the coupon (piece of spruce with coats of spar varnish) and check it after 30
minutes. If it hasn't attacked the varnish, it's OK to use. I covered my wings
using Polytak over the spar varnish a couple of years ago and it seems to be
OK although I haven't flown it yet. I'm painting with latex.
I would say that whatever varnish you use, be sure to fill the grain. I didn't
do this on my fuselage and mildew formed in the grain crevices. Of course it's
pretty humid here in SE Texas and maybe you won't have that problem, but I
had to scrub it clean and add additional coats of varnish. Also remember the
wood that the fabric never touches can be regular varnish but even there I would
use polyurethane.
Regards,
John
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From: Steven Dortch
Sent: Oct 29, 2014 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Varnish
Is there a Lowes or Home depot Aviation department varnish that is acceptable?
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Subject: | Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh |
Those tip tanks are definitely not from a T-33. If they were, however, you could
have about 450 US gallons of fuel available. At cruise power with the A65,
that's over 100 hours of cruise flight. At an average of 65 MPH (no wind), that's
quite a range... 6,500 statute miles. It's only about 3,000 statute from
the UK to Maine.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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With the Stewart System, Spar Varnish from Home Depot will work fine. We did
several tests before we used it just to make sure. We even soaked wood in
fuel (in a sealed jar) for several weeks with no problem
Barry
NX973BP
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Varnish
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I am completing construction of my Vertical Stabilizer. Should I varnish the
entire stabilizer? Is there an issue with applying the covering later over
varnish?
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Harv, 485PB
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Subject: | Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh |
Oops... Jeff- my humble apologies. Upon re-reading what you wrote, I see that
you correctly stated that the transcontinental flight would only require ONE of
those tip tanks. Good figgerin' on your part ;o)
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh |
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Subject: | Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh |
Not really needed! the longest leg would be 470 miles from Iceland to the
Faeroe Islands.
So planning 5 GPH and 75 MPH and 500 miles is just under 35 gallons. So
Fill the body shaped tank, fill the wing tank, and the nose tank and maybe
carry 5 more gallons for the 1 hour reserve, in your lap to refill the wing
tank . This will require an autopilot as you stand in the back seat to fill
the wing tank. But what are the chances you will have to use the reserve?
Don;t forget you can take out the padding as the immersion suit will be so
big you can't fit otherwise. And you will have to tie the inflatable raft
under the wing.
I think that the raft requirement can by satified by FILLING THE PLANE WITH
PING PONG BALLS!
Ducking and running for cover.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Subject: | Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh |
Besides the fact that you would be limited to 28 days of VFR/Day only flying when
you get to the UK, I think the biggest obstacle to flying across the Atlantic
in a Pietenpol would be required IFR equipment. How many have IFR equipped
and approved planes?
Mike Salerno
>From the North Atlantic International General Aviation Operations Manual:
Aircraft Instruments and Equipment
Aircraft must be approved for IFR flight, and equipped with the following instruments
and equipment in
serviceable condition.
a) a sensitive pressure altimeter adjustable for barometric pressure;
b) a magnetic compass that operates independently of the aircraft electrical generating
system;
c) an airspeed indicator with a means of preventing malfunction due to icing (pilot
heat);
d) a turn and slip indicator or turn coordinator;
e) an adequate source of electrical energy, and an adequate supply of fuses, if
appropriate;
f) a stabilized magnetic direction indicator or a gyroscopic direction indicator;
g) an attitude indicator;
h) a vertical speed indictor;
i) an outside air temperature gauge;
j) appropriate engine power and performance indicating instruments;
k) a power failure warning device or vacuum indicator that shows the power available
to gyroscopic
instruments for each power source;
l) fuel tank quantity indicators;
m) an alternative source of static pressure for the altimeter, airspeed indicator
and vertical speed
indicator; and
n) if the flight is to be made at night;
- a means of illumination for all instruments used to operate the aircraft;
- a means of illumination for all instruments used to operate the aircraft;
- when carrying passengers, a landing light; and
- navigation lights
Communications Equipment
Very High Frequency Radio. Sufficient radio communications equipment to permit
the pilot, in the event
of failure of any item of that equipment, to conduct two-way communications on
the appropriate frequency.
High Frequency Radio. An HF radio capable of transmitting and receiving on a minimum
of two
appropriate international air-ground general purpose frequencies.
NOTE-
[1] The route Iqaluit - Sondre Stromfjord - Keflavik - ALDAN - 61N 10W - Benbecula
is
approved for non-HF equipped aircraft..
[2] Aircraft may proceed across the Atlantic without HF radio at FL250 or above
on the route
Goose Bay - Prins Christian Sund (or Narsarsuaq) - Keflavik - ALDAN - 61N 10W -
Benbecula. Operations in MNPS airspace (FL 285 to 420) is not allowed unless specific
MNPS authority is held.
Navigation Equipment
ICAO Annex 2 requires an aircraft to be equipped with adequate navigation equipment
to enable it to
navigate in accordance with the flight plan and the air traffic control clearance.
The CARs require that sufficient radio navigation equipment be installed to permit
the pilot, in the event of
the failure at any stage of the flight of any item of that equipment, including
any associated flight instrument
display.
a) to proceed to the destination aerodrome or proceed to another aerodrome that
is suitable for
landing, and
b) where the aircraft is operated in IMC, to complete an instrument approach, and
if necessary,
conduct a missed approach.
A suitable interpretation of the above would permit an aircraft equipped with VOR/ILS/ADF
and a single
GPS approved for enroute flight to operate on any of the North Atlantic routes.
On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 3:49 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
wrote:
Not really needed! the longest leg would be 470 miles from Iceland to the Faeroe
Islands.
So planning 5 GPH and 75 MPH and 500 miles is just under 35 gallons. So Fill the
body shaped tank, fill the wing tank, and the nose tank and maybe carry 5 more
gallons for the 1 hour reserve, in your lap to refill the wing tank . This
will require an autopilot as you stand in the back seat to fill the wing tank.
But what are the chances you will have to use the reserve?
Don;t forget you can take out the padding as the immersion suit will be so big
you can't fit otherwise. And you will have to tie the inflatable raft under the
wing.
I think that the raft requirement can by satified by FILLING THE PLANE WITH PING
PONG BALLS!
Ducking and running for cover.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Subject: | Request for Latex Paint Projects |
Hi All,
I would like to update the Wiener Dog Aero website with info on your latex projects. I've added a page on my Titan Tornado as an example http://wienerdogaero.com/TitanTornado.php .
Now I would like to add more pages with your info. If you have a Latex painted
airplane and would be willing to share you info, would you please send me:
Airplane Type:
Your name:
Home town:
Year finished:
Materials painted:
Primer used:
Color Paint used:
website if you have one:
Notes on your finish:
and photo(s):
I'm hoping that this will help us all learn more about using Latex paint,
Thanks
Malcolm Morrison
www.wienerdogaero.com
gliderx5@comcast.net
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Subject: | Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh |
Huh. Did Lindbergh have all that stuff when he made the crossing? He flew it
in 1927, the Piet is a 1929 design, I'm claiming that because they are from generally
the same era, the same rules will apply. Either that or I'll make the
crossing below radar coverage, land in the first suitable cow pasture "over there",
and then cover the US registry markings with UK markings in white duct
tape. I'm going to use "G-BUSH" or something else that doesn't attract attention
;o)
Move over, Steve... I'm ducking into the same foxhole...
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: advice on trim mechanism |
Some more general ponderings about trim and a question.
For most of the around-the-patch flying I do, in level "cruise" flight, I "trim"
with the throttle. If the nose is dipping, I bump up maybe 50 rpm (usually less).
If I detect a slight climb, I pull the throttle back just a little. The
difference in airspeed is usually less than 5 mph. I don't really need a trim
mechanism for this.
Where I would like trim is on climb-out, where I need to push forward on the stick
if the fuselage tank is less than 3/4 full and there is no passenger, and
on base and final, when I've pulled power back to idle and I need to pull the
stick back quite a bit to keep the nose up and maintain 50-55 mph.
For all those who have a trim system on their Piets (Scott, Barry, Gary, and others),
does your trim system work with enough power to, say, maintain a steady
airspeed while on final? I find that final is the most extreme (relative, of
course).
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Subject: | Re: advice on trim mechanism |
Not to muddy the waters any more, I saw this Pietenpol at the Hiller Aviation Museum
in San Carlos CA yesterday. The pulleys seem to complicate things and I
have no idea what the top of the trim tab looked like or the cockpit controls
as the airplane was about 15 fett over my head.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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Subject: | Re: advice on trim mechanism |
Terry: is that the museum with the Long EZ on the roof? Friends have told me it's
worth visiting.
I see what you mean about the added complexity with the pulleys. I can only imagine
what this setup would do if the cable broke.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: Request for Latex Paint Projects |
Malcolm;
I don't have a latex paint project per se, but I do have a test setup that I was
working on, in case you want to include a link to it:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/paint/paint.html
I still have the test coupons and I need to set them up outdoors to see what a
year of weathering does to them.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: advice on trim mechanism |
One and the same museum. If you are ever in the area you should stop by not big,
but it has some interesting exhibits.
I like the double Bowden cable idea, FWIW.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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Subject: | Re: advice on trim mechanism |
jarheadpilot82 wrote:
> Not to muddy the waters any more, but I saw this Pietenpol at the Hiller Aviation
Museum in San Carlos CA yesterday. The pulleys seem to complicate things
and I have no idea what the top of the trim tab looked like or the cockpit controls
as the airplane was about 15 feet over my head.
Actually, for a retro-fit, the pulley system may be easier to install.
A very similar system is on John Doig's Piet. Photos at WestcoastPiet. Here's the
trim tab:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/WCP_2013_Gathering/IMG_0575.JPG
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/WCP_2013_Gathering/IMG_0576.JPG
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/WCP_2013_Gathering/IMG_0574.JPG
And the cockpit controls:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/WCP_2013_Gathering/IMG_0598.JPG
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Subject: | Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh |
You're not related to a fellow named Corrigan are you.
Clif
Either that or I'll make the crossing below radar coverage, land in the
first suitable cow pasture "over there", > --------
> Oscar Zuniga
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