---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/29/14: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:44 AM - Varnish (Harvey Plummer) 2. 07:23 AM - Re: Varnish (Jack Phillips) 3. 08:38 AM - Re: Varnish (Steven Dortch) 4. 08:51 AM - Re: Varnish (Ken Bickers) 5. 09:03 AM - Re: Varnish (John Franklin) 6. 09:04 AM - Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh (taildrags) 7. 09:16 AM - Re: Varnish (Barry Davis) 8. 10:03 AM - Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh (taildrags) 9. 10:22 AM - Re: Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh (Boatright, Jeffrey) 10. 01:49 PM - Re: Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh (Steven Dortch) 11. 02:37 PM - Re: Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh (Mike Salerno) 12. 03:37 PM - Request for Latex Paint Projects (gliderx5@comcast.net) 13. 04:15 PM - Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh (taildrags) 14. 04:25 PM - Re: advice on trim mechanism (Jeff Boatright) 15. 04:56 PM - Re: advice on trim mechanism (jarheadpilot82) 16. 05:31 PM - Re: advice on trim mechanism (taildrags) 17. 05:42 PM - Re: Request for Latex Paint Projects (taildrags) 18. 05:42 PM - Re: advice on trim mechanism (jarheadpilot82) 19. 06:16 PM - Re: advice on trim mechanism (Jeff Boatright) 20. 07:30 PM - Re: Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Varnish From: "Harvey Plummer" I am completing construction of my Vertical Stabilizer. Should I varnish the entire stabilizer? Is there an issue with applying the covering later over varnish? -------- Harv, 485PB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432454#432454 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:12 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Varnish Yes, everything should be varnished - not just the vertical stabilizer but all wood on the entire airplane. This is the only way to prevent dry rot. As for covering over varnish, it depends on which covering process you are using. If using the Stits PolyFiber process, Poly-Tak can lift some varnishes. They recommend using their Epoxy Varnish. I used it all over the airplane. It's expensive but is darned near bulletproof once it is cured. I can't speak to other covering systems, such as Stewart. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harvey Plummer Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:44 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Varnish I am completing construction of my Vertical Stabilizer. Should I varnish the entire stabilizer? Is there an issue with applying the covering later over varnish? -------- Harv, 485PB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432454#432454 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Varnish From: Steven Dortch Is there a Lowes or Home depot Aviation department varnish that is acceptable? Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Varnish From: Ken Bickers Steve, the answer will depend on what covering system you choose to use. I had decided many years ago to use the Stewart System. It works happily with the one-part spar varnishes that you will find at Home Depot or Lowes. If you are going with the Stits-Polyfiber system, you'll need something that isn't effected by MEK. That means a two-part epoxy varnish, such as the product sold as part of that system. Ken On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Steven Dortch wrote: > Is there a Lowes or Home depot Aviation department varnish that is > acceptable? > > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:50 AM PST US From: John Franklin Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Varnish Steve, I did a test "coupon" using Minwax polyurethane spar varnish. The article I read, I believe by Ron Alexander, said to wet a rag with MEK and let it soak on the coupon (piece of spruce with coats of spar varnish) and check it after 30 minutes. If it hasn't attacked the varnish, it's OK to use. I covered my wings using Polytak over the spar varnish a couple of years ago and it seems to be OK although I haven't flown it yet. I'm painting with latex. I would say that whatever varnish you use, be sure to fill the grain. I didn't do this on my fuselage and mildew formed in the grain crevices. Of course it's pretty humid here in SE Texas and maybe you won't have that problem, but I had to scrub it clean and add additional coats of varnish. Also remember the wood that the fabric never touches can be regular varnish but even there I would use polyurethane. Regards, John -----Original Message----- From: Steven Dortch Sent: Oct 29, 2014 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Varnish Is there a Lowes or Home depot Aviation department varnish that is acceptable? Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:01 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh From: "taildrags" Those tip tanks are definitely not from a T-33. If they were, however, you could have about 450 US gallons of fuel available. At cruise power with the A65, that's over 100 hours of cruise flight. At an average of 65 MPH (no wind), that's quite a range... 6,500 statute miles. It's only about 3,000 statute from the UK to Maine. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432472#432472 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:16:48 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Varnish With the Stewart System, Spar Varnish from Home Depot will work fine. We did several tests before we used it just to make sure. We even soaked wood in fuel (in a sealed jar) for several weeks with no problem Barry NX973BP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harvey Plummer Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:44 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Varnish --> I am completing construction of my Vertical Stabilizer. Should I varnish the entire stabilizer? Is there an issue with applying the covering later over varnish? -------- Harv, 485PB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432454#432454 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:15 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh From: "taildrags" Oops... Jeff- my humble apologies. Upon re-reading what you wrote, I see that you correctly stated that the transcontinental flight would only require ONE of those tip tanks. 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So planning 5 GPH and 75 MPH and 500 miles is just under 35 gallons. So Fill the body shaped tank, fill the wing tank, and the nose tank and maybe carry 5 more gallons for the 1 hour reserve, in your lap to refill the wing tank . This will require an autopilot as you stand in the back seat to fill the wing tank. But what are the chances you will have to use the reserve? Don;t forget you can take out the padding as the immersion suit will be so big you can't fit otherwise. And you will have to tie the inflatable raft under the wing. I think that the raft requirement can by satified by FILLING THE PLANE WITH PING PONG BALLS! Ducking and running for cover. Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:17 PM PST US From: Mike Salerno Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh Besides the fact that you would be limited to 28 days of VFR/Day only flying when you get to the UK, I think the biggest obstacle to flying across the Atlantic in a Pietenpol would be required IFR equipment. How many have IFR equipped and approved planes? Mike Salerno >From the North Atlantic International General Aviation Operations Manual: Aircraft Instruments and Equipment Aircraft must be approved for IFR flight, and equipped with the following instruments and equipment in serviceable condition. a) a sensitive pressure altimeter adjustable for barometric pressure; b) a magnetic compass that operates independently of the aircraft electrical generating system; c) an airspeed indicator with a means of preventing malfunction due to icing (pilot heat); d) a turn and slip indicator or turn coordinator; e) an adequate source of electrical energy, and an adequate supply of fuses, if appropriate; f) a stabilized magnetic direction indicator or a gyroscopic direction indicator; g) an attitude indicator; h) a vertical speed indictor; i) an outside air temperature gauge; j) appropriate engine power and performance indicating instruments; k) a power failure warning device or vacuum indicator that shows the power available to gyroscopic instruments for each power source; l) fuel tank quantity indicators; m) an alternative source of static pressure for the altimeter, airspeed indicator and vertical speed indicator; and n) if the flight is to be made at night; - a means of illumination for all instruments used to operate the aircraft; - a means of illumination for all instruments used to operate the aircraft; - when carrying passengers, a landing light; and - navigation lights Communications Equipment Very High Frequency Radio. Sufficient radio communications equipment to permit the pilot, in the event of failure of any item of that equipment, to conduct two-way communications on the appropriate frequency. High Frequency Radio. An HF radio capable of transmitting and receiving on a minimum of two appropriate international air-ground general purpose frequencies. NOTE- [1] The route Iqaluit - Sondre Stromfjord - Keflavik - ALDAN - 61N 10W - Benbecula is approved for non-HF equipped aircraft.. [2] Aircraft may proceed across the Atlantic without HF radio at FL250 or above on the route Goose Bay - Prins Christian Sund (or Narsarsuaq) - Keflavik - ALDAN - 61N 10W - Benbecula. Operations in MNPS airspace (FL 285 to 420) is not allowed unless specific MNPS authority is held. Navigation Equipment ICAO Annex 2 requires an aircraft to be equipped with adequate navigation equipment to enable it to navigate in accordance with the flight plan and the air traffic control clearance. The CARs require that sufficient radio navigation equipment be installed to permit the pilot, in the event of the failure at any stage of the flight of any item of that equipment, including any associated flight instrument display. a) to proceed to the destination aerodrome or proceed to another aerodrome that is suitable for landing, and b) where the aircraft is operated in IMC, to complete an instrument approach, and if necessary, conduct a missed approach. A suitable interpretation of the above would permit an aircraft equipped with VOR/ILS/ADF and a single GPS approved for enroute flight to operate on any of the North Atlantic routes. On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 3:49 PM, Steven Dortch wrote: Not really needed! the longest leg would be 470 miles from Iceland to the Faeroe Islands. So planning 5 GPH and 75 MPH and 500 miles is just under 35 gallons. So Fill the body shaped tank, fill the wing tank, and the nose tank and maybe carry 5 more gallons for the 1 hour reserve, in your lap to refill the wing tank . This will require an autopilot as you stand in the back seat to fill the wing tank. But what are the chances you will have to use the reserve? Don;t forget you can take out the padding as the immersion suit will be so big you can't fit otherwise. And you will have to tie the inflatable raft under the wing. I think that the raft requirement can by satified by FILLING THE PLANE WITH PING PONG BALLS! Ducking and running for cover. Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:37:54 PM PST US From: gliderx5@comcast.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: Request for Latex Paint Projects Hi All, I would like to update the Wiener Dog Aero website with info on your latex projects. I've added a page on my Titan Tornado as an example http://wienerdogaero.com/TitanTornado.php . Now I would like to add more pages with your info. If you have a Latex painted airplane and would be willing to share you info, would you please send me: Airplane Type: Your name: Home town: Year finished: Materials painted: Primer used: Color Paint used: website if you have one: Notes on your finish: and photo(s): I'm hoping that this will help us all learn more about using Latex paint, Thanks Malcolm Morrison www.wienerdogaero.com gliderx5@comcast.net ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:58 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh From: "taildrags" Huh. Did Lindbergh have all that stuff when he made the crossing? He flew it in 1927, the Piet is a 1929 design, I'm claiming that because they are from generally the same era, the same rules will apply. Either that or I'll make the crossing below radar coverage, land in the first suitable cow pasture "over there", and then cover the US registry markings with UK markings in white duct tape. I'm going to use "G-BUSH" or something else that doesn't attract attention ;o) Move over, Steve... I'm ducking into the same foxhole... -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432508#432508 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: advice on trim mechanism From: "Jeff Boatright" Some more general ponderings about trim and a question. For most of the around-the-patch flying I do, in level "cruise" flight, I "trim" with the throttle. If the nose is dipping, I bump up maybe 50 rpm (usually less). If I detect a slight climb, I pull the throttle back just a little. The difference in airspeed is usually less than 5 mph. I don't really need a trim mechanism for this. Where I would like trim is on climb-out, where I need to push forward on the stick if the fuselage tank is less than 3/4 full and there is no passenger, and on base and final, when I've pulled power back to idle and I need to pull the stick back quite a bit to keep the nose up and maintain 50-55 mph. For all those who have a trim system on their Piets (Scott, Barry, Gary, and others), does your trim system work with enough power to, say, maintain a steady airspeed while on final? I find that final is the most extreme (relative, of course). Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432510#432510 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:15 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: advice on trim mechanism From: "jarheadpilot82" Not to muddy the waters any more, I saw this Pietenpol at the Hiller Aviation Museum in San Carlos CA yesterday. The pulleys seem to complicate things and I have no idea what the top of the trim tab looked like or the cockpit controls as the airplane was about 15 fett over my head. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432515#432515 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_366.jpg ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:31:41 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: advice on trim mechanism From: "taildrags" Terry: is that the museum with the Long EZ on the roof? Friends have told me it's worth visiting. I see what you mean about the added complexity with the pulleys. I can only imagine what this setup would do if the cable broke. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432518#432518 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:42:31 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Request for Latex Paint Projects From: "taildrags" Malcolm; I don't have a latex paint project per se, but I do have a test setup that I was working on, in case you want to include a link to it: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/paint/paint.html I still have the test coupons and I need to set them up outdoors to see what a year of weathering does to them. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432519#432519 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:42:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: advice on trim mechanism From: "jarheadpilot82" One and the same museum. If you are ever in the area you should stop by not big, but it has some interesting exhibits. I like the double Bowden cable idea, FWIW. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432520#432520 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: advice on trim mechanism From: "Jeff Boatright" jarheadpilot82 wrote: > Not to muddy the waters any more, but I saw this Pietenpol at the Hiller Aviation Museum in San Carlos CA yesterday. The pulleys seem to complicate things and I have no idea what the top of the trim tab looked like or the cockpit controls as the airplane was about 15 feet over my head. Actually, for a retro-fit, the pulley system may be easier to install. A very similar system is on John Doig's Piet. Photos at WestcoastPiet. Here's the trim tab: http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/WCP_2013_Gathering/IMG_0575.JPG http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/WCP_2013_Gathering/IMG_0576.JPG http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/WCP_2013_Gathering/IMG_0574.JPG And the cockpit controls: http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/WCP_2013_Gathering/IMG_0598.JPG Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432524#432524 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:59 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh You're not related to a fellow named Corrigan are you. Clif Either that or I'll make the crossing below radar coverage, land in the first suitable cow pasture "over there", > -------- > Oscar Zuniga ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.