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1. 02:55 AM - Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh (johnnysdrop)
2. 06:43 AM - Re: Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh (Steven Dortch)
3. 07:02 AM - Re: Request for Latex Paint Projects (Steven Dortch)
4. 08:01 AM - Re: advice on trim mechanism (AircamperN11MS)
5. 08:22 AM - Re: Re: advice on trim mechanism (Boatright, Jeffrey)
6. 09:01 AM - Re: Varnish (Harvey Plummer)
7. 09:18 AM - Re: Re: Varnish (Jack Phillips)
8. 11:36 AM - Re: Varnish (Pocono John)
9. 11:40 AM - Full rib gusset (Pocono John)
10. 12:42 PM - Re: Re: Varnish (John Franklin)
11. 12:50 PM - Re: Request for Latex Paint Projects (Gary Boothe)
12. 01:20 PM - BFR (Gary Boothe)
13. 01:40 PM - Re: advice on trim mechanism (namrednos)
14. 01:45 PM - Re: BFR (AircamperN11MS)
15. 01:55 PM - Re: BFR (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
16. 03:38 PM - Re: Re: Request for Latex Paint Projects (gliderx5@comcast.net)
17. 03:57 PM - Re: Re: BFR (Gary Boothe)
18. 04:54 PM - Re: Re: Varnish (Jack)
19. 06:10 PM - Re: Varnish (Pocono John)
20. 06:10 PM - Re: Re: Varnish (Scott Knowlton)
21. 06:53 PM - Re: BFR (Jim Boyer)
22. 09:18 PM - Corvair College 32, 27 February - 1 March 2015 (kevinpurtee)
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| Subject: | Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh |
We let you good Americans fly your N reg aircraft here indefinitely as long as
it is insured and your license is current.
We have N reg aircraft based here permanently and can even obtain a US license
here to fly them!
English Johnny
Still on wing spars
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The only way is UP
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| Subject: | Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh |
English Johnny, I have a British Pietenpol question.
Y'all have to build to engineering approved plans. The British approved
plans have one jury strut on the front strut. WHY? In the US, I see jury
struts on both struts. Why the front strut?
Some background, a local with some homebuilding experience is adamant that
putting jury struts on a Piet is a engineering disaster. The "result" will
be the wing being too stiff out to the strut attachment and it will fold up
at that point.
I am putting Jury struts back on mine. First, they were on before and the
wing did not collapse after 20 years of flight. Second, my study of FAA
Pietenpol accidents show Zero wing failures. Indeed Zero structural
failures in flight! (there was one accident where a flying wire broke and
several Gregas has pushtubes fail. causing accidents.) There are
discussions of Struts folding under negative Gs (IE hard landing) and that
is the reason for the Jury struts.
I also understand that the jury struts should not be centered on the strut
as that lends itself to a harmonic vibration.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
Piet under restoration.
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 4:55 AM, johnnysdrop <johnnysdrop@googlemail.com>
wrote:
> johnnysdrop@googlemail.com>
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> We let you good Americans fly your N reg aircraft here indefinitely as
> long as it is insured and your license is current.
>
> We have N reg aircraft based here permanently and can even obtain a US
> license here to fly them!
> English Johnny
> Still on wing spars
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> The only way is UP
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Request for Latex Paint Projects |
>
>
> Airplane Type: Pietepol Air Camper
> Your name: Steve Dortch
> Home town: San Antonio, Texas
> Year finished: 1975 (under restoration)
> Materials painted: ceconite
> Primer used: Sherwin williams
> Color Paint used: White, Yellow, Red, Blue, Black
>
rolled some, brushed some, sprayed most with HVLP sprayer.
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: advice on trim mechanism |
Jeff,
I just use my trim to relieve stick pressures during level flight. The stick pressures
change a lot in my plane during fuel burn. I have a 10 gallon nose tank
and a 12.5 gallon center section tank. When the nose tank only has 5 gallons
or lees in it I am very tail heavy. This is when I need the trim the most.
Your question regarding trimming during landing is a definite no. I tend to
not make approaches in a straight line. I will usually be in a turning slip
to final much like you see people do in a Pitts or other Biplanes. I don't even
notice the stick forces during landing. Oh, It's nice to have during climb
out too.
Not sure if that really answers your question, The plane isn't stable enough to
ever let go of the stick anyway.
Cheers,
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Jack, did you use the Stits epoxy varnish or the urethane varnish?
Thanks.
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Harv, 485PB
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I used the PolyFiber Epoxy varnish on top of polyurethane, throughout the
airplane. Polyurethane spar varnish (1 part) is cheaper so I used it for
the first coat, then put on a top coat of epoxy varnish. My landing gear
struts are left just as (epoxy) varnished spruce and have taken a lot of
abuse in the past 10 years, with no degradation of the finish. I love that
epoxy varnish! It is expensive, but not in the grand scheme of things. I
spent about $200 on epoxy varnish for the entire airplane. That's a pretty
small percentage of the $15,000 I spent building it and well worth it to
protect the structure, in my opinion.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harvey
Plummer
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish
<plummerharvey@yahoo.com>
Jack, did you use the Stits epoxy varnish or the urethane varnish?
Thanks.
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Harv, 485PB
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I was wondering if anyone made some sort of varnish filled 'bath' or container
into which a rib is placed and removed to dry, instead of brushing.
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John
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I've seen several photos where the outboard sections of the center section end
ribs and (inboard) wing end ribs are covered with a full size gusset; the Hatz
Classic does it that way. I don't see that on my plans, so wondering if I missed
it or that's just become the norm.
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John
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John,
I believe it's good practice to thin the first coat about 50% so you get better
penetration into the wood...I just brushed mine and did a little sanding between
coats. Yes, it's a pain and takes a long time which is what scratch-building
is all about!
John F.
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>From: Pocono John <tinmotion@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Oct 30, 2014 1:36 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish
>
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>I was wondering if anyone made some sort of varnish filled 'bath' or container
into which a rib is placed and removed to dry, instead of brushing.
>
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>John
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| Subject: | Request for Latex Paint Projects |
Airplane Type: Pietenpol Aircamper
Your name: Gary Boothe
Home town: Plumas Lake, CA
Year finished: 2012
Materials painted: Dacron with Kelly Moore
Primer used: Kelly Moore
Color Paint used: Tan & Olive, custom matched
website if you have one:
Notes on your finish: Hand brushed
and photo(s):
Thanks, Malcolm!!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gliderx5@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 3:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Request for Latex Paint Projects
Hi All,
I would like to update the Wiener Dog Aero website with info on your
latex projects. I've added a page on my Titan Tornado as an example
http://wienerdogaero.com/TitanTornado.php.
Now I would like to add more pages with your info. If you have a Latex
painted airplane and would be willing to share you info, would you
please send me:
Airplane Type:
Your name:
Home town:
Year finished:
Materials painted:
Primer used:
Color Paint used:
website if you have one:
Notes on your finish:
and photo(s):
I'm hoping that this will help us all learn more about using Latex
paint,
Thanks
Malcolm Morrison
www.wienerdogaero.com
gliderx5@comcast.net
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2nd BFR in my Piet. Word of advice: Make sure your CFI knows that you are
flipping ON the smoke switch.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| Subject: | Re: advice on trim mechanism |
I am finishing up my rudder and stab. I like the simple Ray Allen Trim Servo. Install
it in the elevator just like you would a RC Servo and push rod. For power
if I do not have a starter battery, I will power trim system with a lipo battery
along with my hand-held and GPS.
(On the same subject of controls) I have looked at the geometry of the elevator
system and it does not work out. Do the control cables sag as you change stick
position. If you move the control stick forward 15degs. and back 15 degs., the
cable push and pull is not even. This is because the cable on the back stick
connection comes under the 2" pulley, and the front cable goes over the top
of the pulley. The cables from the bell crank to the elevator do not work out.
they hit the front of the horizontal stabilizer and sag. What can be done to
fix this? Is it something to worry about. The bell crank on the original plans
under controls calls for the bearing to be 9" off the bottom. On the extended
fuse update 7-1/8". In another area it calls out 7". The lower it is the more
it rubs.
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Scott
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I assume he jumped. Where there's smoke, there's fire? Were you able to get his
signature in your log book before he croaked? :)
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Too funny Gary!!! You alarmed him a bit did you? I'll bet once he k
new it was intentional he liked it.
Smoke on!!!
Mike C.
Ohio
PS-well......did he pass you????? :))))
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t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: BFR
2nd BFR in my Piet. Word of advice: Make sure your CFI knows that you are
flipping ON the smoke switch.
Gary Boothe
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| Subject: | Re: Request for Latex Paint Projects |
Oscar,
I already have you site linked on my Latex History page http://wienerdogaero.com/LatexHistory.php. You have some great information. Thanks for making it available.
I'm linking the projects off of a "Showcase" page. http://wienerdogaero.com/Showcase.php
Enjoy,
Malcolm Morrison
Wiener Dog Aero
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From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 8:42:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Request for Latex Paint Projects
Malcolm;
I don't have a latex paint project per se, but I do have a test setup that I was
working on, in case you want to include a link to it:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/paint/paint.html
I still have the test coupons and I need to set them up outdoors to see what a
year of weathering does to them.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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He was laughing about it by the time we got down...:-)
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AircamperN11MS
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:45 PM
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--> <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
I assume he jumped. Where there's smoke, there's fire? Were you able to
get his signature in your log book before he croaked? :)
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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John I sprayed mine 50% first coat and 100% for additional coats...
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Jack Textor
> On Oct 30, 2014, at 2:35 PM, John Franklin <jbfjr@peoplepc.com> wrote:
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> John,
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> I believe it's good practice to thin the first coat about 50% so you get better
penetration into the wood...I just brushed mine and did a little sanding between
coats. Yes, it's a pain and takes a long time which is what scratch-building
is all about!
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> John F.
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>> From: Pocono John <tinmotion@yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Oct 30, 2014 1:36 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish
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>> I was wondering if anyone made some sort of varnish filled 'bath' or container
into which a rib is placed and removed to dry, instead of brushing.
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Thank you Jack and John. Finally have rib jig done and gussets/sticks cut, so about
to make ribs and then I'll varnish them.
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John
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I used a nautical product called Epiphanes on my gear legs with very good re
sults. No experience with UV or wear and tear yet but sure looks nice. It's m
eant for canoes and kayaks so I expect it should be quite resilient.
Scott K.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 30, 2014, at 7:55 PM, "Jack" <jack@textors.com> wrote:
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> John I sprayed mine 50% first coat and 100% for additional coats...
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> Sent from my iPad
> Jack Textor
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>> On Oct 30, 2014, at 2:35 PM, John Franklin <jbfjr@peoplepc.com> wrote:
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>>
>> John,
>>
>> I believe it's good practice to thin the first coat about 50% so you get b
etter penetration into the wood...I just brushed mine and did a little sandi
ng between coats. Yes, it's a pain and takes a long time which is what scra
tch-building is all about!
>>
>> John F.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Pocono John <tinmotion@yahoo.com>
>>> Sent: Oct 30, 2014 1:36 PM
>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish
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>>> I was wondering if anyone made some sort of varnish filled 'bath' or con
tainer into which a rib is placed and removed to dry, instead of brushing.
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>>> John
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He was probably wishing he had a parachute. It would be fun to see how fast
he could get out of a Piet.
Cheers, Jim
=C2-
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| Subject: | Corvair College 32, 27 February - 1 March 2015 |
That time of year again. We'll hold CC32 in San Marcos, TX.
Here's the facebook page with information:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Corvair-College-32-27-Feb-1-Mar-15/320305497999282
I'll let you know when the registration website is up.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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