---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/19/14: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:09 AM - Value of the List... (Matt Dralle) 1. 01:32 PM - Re: New home (Boatright, Jeffrey) 2. 01:35 PM - Re: New home (Gary Boothe) 3. 01:36 PM - Elevator Bellcrank (Scott Knowlton) 4. 01:40 PM - Re: New home (Robert Gow) 5. 02:26 PM - Re: Elevator Bellcrank (curtdm(at)gmail.com) 6. 07:16 PM - Willys Jeep Pietenpol (aviken) 7. 07:27 PM - Re: Willys Jeep Pietenpol (aviken) 8. 07:48 PM - Re: Willys Jeep Pietenpol (aviken) 9. 08:40 PM - Re: Willys Jeep Pietenpol (Gary Boothe) 10. 08:55 PM - Re: Re: Willys Jeep Pietenpol (glenschweizer@yahoo.com) 11. 09:35 PM - Re: rivets (taildrags) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:24 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Value of the List... 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Matt Dralle Email List Admin. ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:32:51 PM PST US From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New home R3JlYXQgbG9va2luZyBzcGFjZSENCg0KLS0NCkplZmZyZXkgSC4gQm9hdHJpZ2h0LCBQaEQsIEZB UlZPDQpQcm9mZXNzb3Igb2YgT3BodGhhbG1vbG9neQ0KRW1vcnkgVW5pdmVyc2l0eSBTY2hvb2wg b2YgTWVkaWNpbmUNCg0KRnJvbTogQ2xpZiBEYXdzb24gPGNkYXdzb241ODU0QHNoYXcuY2E8bWFp bHRvOmNkYXdzb241ODU0QHNoYXcuY2E+Pg0KUmVwbHktVG86ICJwaWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRy b25pY3MuY29tPG1haWx0bzpwaWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tPiIgPHBpZXRlbnBv bC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb208bWFpbHRvOnBpZXRlbnBvbC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20+ Pg0KRGF0ZTogV2VkbmVzZGF5LCBOb3ZlbWJlciAxOSwgMjAxNCBhdCAyOjMxIEFNDQpUbzogInBp ZXRlbnBvbC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb208bWFpbHRvOnBpZXRlbnBvbC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmlj cy5jb20+IiA8cGlldGVucG9sLWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbTxtYWlsdG86cGlldGVucG9sLWxp c3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbT4+DQpTdWJqZWN0OiBQaWV0ZW5wb2wtTGlzdDogTmV3IGhvbWUNCg0K DQpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXw0KDQpUaGlzIGUtbWFpbCBtZXNzYWdl IChpbmNsdWRpbmcgYW55IGF0dGFjaG1lbnRzKSBpcyBmb3IgdGhlIHNvbGUgdXNlIG9mDQp0aGUg aW50ZW5kZWQgcmVjaXBpZW50KHMpIGFuZCBtYXkgY29udGFpbiBjb25maWRlbnRpYWwgYW5kIHBy aXZpbGVnZWQNCmluZm9ybWF0aW9uLiBJZiB0aGUgcmVhZGVyIG9mIHRoaXMgbWVzc2FnZSBpcyBu b3QgdGhlIGludGVuZGVkDQpyZWNpcGllbnQsIHlvdSBhcmUgaGVyZWJ5IG5vdGlmaWVkIHRoYXQg YW55IGRpc3NlbWluYXRpb24sIGRpc3RyaWJ1dGlvbg0Kb3IgY29weWluZyBvZiB0aGlzIG1lc3Nh Z2UgKGluY2x1ZGluZyBhbnkgYXR0YWNobWVudHMpIGlzIHN0cmljdGx5DQpwcm9oaWJpdGVkLg0K DQpJZiB5b3UgaGF2ZSByZWNlaXZlZCB0aGlzIG1lc3NhZ2UgaW4gZXJyb3IsIHBsZWFzZSBjb250 YWN0DQp0aGUgc2VuZGVyIGJ5IHJlcGx5IGUtbWFpbCBtZXNzYWdlIGFuZCBkZXN0cm95IGFsbCBj b3BpZXMgb2YgdGhlDQpvcmlnaW5hbCBtZXNzYWdlIChpbmNsdWRpbmcgYXR0YWNobWVudHMpLg0K ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:35:19 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New home Looks like a nice home! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 11:31 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: New home Finally the beast has a new home. For a while at least. This is the RAA hanger at Delta Airpark. In the spring it'll move into the club's shop at the East end of the hanger. Now I've got room to put the wings on!!! :-) http://www.deltaheritageairpark.org/ Clif Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious. -Brendan Gill ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:36:00 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator Bellcrank From: Scott Knowlton There appears to be a measurement discrepancy on the plans regarding the location of the Bellcrank for the elevators. Drawing 1 for the fuselage shows the pivot point located at 7" above the bottom of the lower longeron. Drawing 4 for the flight controls shows that same pivot point at 9" above the lower longeron. Can any builders/fliers who have done one or the other shed light on this? Presumably, the higher the Bellcrank the better the geometry of the cables over the top of the horizontal stab..... Scott Knowlton Sent from my iPhone ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:40:32 PM PST US From: Robert Gow Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New home Delta airpark! Last time I was there was 1973. I didn't know it was still there. Bob From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: November 19, 2014 8:57 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New home Looks like a nice home! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 11:31 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: New home Finally the beast has a new home. For a while at least. This is the RAA hanger at Delta Airpark. In the spring it'll move into the club's shop at the East end of the hanger. Now I've got room to put the wings on!!! :-) http://www.deltaheritageairpark.org/ Clif Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious. -Brendan Gill ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:26:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Elevator Bellcrank From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" And the supplementary plans for the long fuselage show 7 1/8" to add to the confusion. -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434122#434122 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:31 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Willys Jeep Pietenpol From: "aviken" UP-Date on the Jeep powered pietenpol. Late this afternoon I finally got the engine bolted down and hooked up. There are a few temporary fittings and such, but I think I had it close to the final stage to do a power test. At full power I was able to see 225 lbs on the official Fish scales. I may be able to tune a little better performance with another carburetor, I am not sure there is a lot of extra left... I will try to add a link to a youtube video of the run .http://youtu.be/BLTiPoNT5oM Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434146#434146 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Willys Jeep Pietenpol From: "aviken" Sorry the Link doesn't seem to work... just go to youtube and type in Kenny crider then scroll down the list to willys jeep power test. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434147#434147 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Willys Jeep Pietenpol From: "aviken" A picture Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434149#434149 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:25 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Willys Jeep Pietenpol ...or is it the prop? -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of aviken Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:14 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Willys Jeep Pietenpol UP-Date on the Jeep powered pietenpol. Late this afternoon I finally got the engine bolted down and hooked up. There are a few temporary fittings and such, but I think I had it close to the final stage to do a power test. At full power I was able to see 225 lbs on the official Fish scales. I may be able to tune a little better performance with another carburetor, I am not sure there is a lot of extra left... I will try to add a link to a youtube video of the run .http://youtu.be/BLTiPoNT5oM Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434146#434146 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:06 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Willys Jeep Pietenpol From: glenschweizer@yahoo.com The link worked well! Sure sounds good! Little bit of a miss but at this point? Not too shabby! Keep up the good work! Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 19, 2014, at 7:27 PM, "aviken" wrote: > > > Sorry the Link doesn't seem to work... just go to youtube and type in Kenny crider then scroll down the list to willys jeep power test. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434147#434147 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:10 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rivets From: "taildrags" I'll stand up and take the mike now. I am a hardware store pop rivet junkie and I have not been able to break the habit. I admit it. It's just too easy and too cheap. I use them for everything, but when it came time to do some metalwork on the Air Camper, I balked. I was making repairs to various metal parts after the nose-over incident and I knew I couldn't use hardware store pop rivets or I would be scorned and sneered at by every pilot, builder, and tech counselor who looked at Scout. It so happened that in the course of Corky's comings and goings (Corky built Scout and I bought the airplane from him), he decided that he would not be needing a lot of his shop tools and I became the proud owner of a rivet "gun", bucking bar, a couple of rivet sets, a rivet cutter, and various ziplock bags and cans of assorted rivets. I sorted out all the rivets to see what I had, inventoried everything, and put it all in a riveting stuff bin in the hangar. I was terrified of trying to set a rivet, much less long strings of hundreds of them all down and around the metal parts of an aircraft. It didn't matter that Scout is a wood and fabric airplane ;o) My rationale for not trying rivets was that I didn't own a decent air compressor. So that was that, for a time. One day a guy that I worked with got himself a new air compressor and he gave me his old one. It is one of the old fashioned belt-drive reciprocating compressors that goes chunka-chunka-chunka instead of brrrrrr like the high-speed ones do. It takes its time, but gets there. It has a receiver tank on wheels, a handle to tote it with, a pressure switch, and power cord. I've been threatening to fabricate a belt guard for it so I don't get a shirt sleeve (or worse) tangled up in it, but I need to learn how to rivet first ;o) Anyway, I completely dismantled the contraption, went through it all, repainted the metal parts, got a new set of lawnmower wheels for it, and all of a sudden I had what it took to be able to spray paint and set rivets. Setting solid rivets is easier than you think, it's far more durable and "aircraft-y" than hardware store pop rivets, and it makes a really cool sound in your hangar when you set rivets. Mind you, I have not set more than a couple of dozen solid rivets in my entire life, but I am finding that there is a great deal of satisfaction in seeing them turn out right. I can pull cheap pop rivets all day long doing things like repairing gutters or making simple things out of sheet metal and tin snips, but setting solid rivets is different. There are a number of very useful resources out there for anyone wanting to learn how to do it. The EAA's "Hints for Homebuilders" videos are a good start. I have also pulled aircraft-grade Cherry and Avex rivets and I have a partially-completed Zenith 601XL in my hangar (along with the wing spar mod kit to make it a -B model). I have a CD with a series of videos on how to install the spar mods, and it involves drilling out possibly thousands of pulled and solid rivets and then installing thousands more of them to accomplish the spar modifications. For that job, I'll get a pneumatic puller and someone to help me handle the wing skins and the long chore of drilling out and setting new rivets. Then I'll probably go insane and my wife will call the guys in the white coats to come and take me to a rehabilitation place where I can once again spend my days working with wood and fabric and soothe my nerves. Did I mention that I don't know how to weld? Actually, I know how to JB Weld, and I use it for everything that I can pop rivet together... ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434154#434154 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.