---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/20/14: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:16 AM - Re: New home (Clif Dawson) 2. 03:09 AM - Re: Re: rivets (Michael Perez) 3. 03:58 AM - Re: Willys Jeep Pietenpol (Jack Phillips) 4. 04:56 AM - Re: Willys Jeep Pietenpol (womenfly2) 5. 08:12 AM - Piet Builders and Flyers at Barnwell (jarheadpilot82) 6. 09:31 AM - Re: Re: rivets (THOMAS.233327) 7. 01:19 PM - I must have done something wrong........ (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 8. 04:47 PM - Re: Willys Jeep Pietenpol (aviken) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:14 AM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New home Really! Did you have a plane there or just visiting? Clif Delta airpark! Last time I was there was 1973. I didn't know it was still there. Bob ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:05 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: rivets Oscar, I found this statement to be dead on with my father-in-law's borrowed air compresser that I used: "It is one of the old fashioned belt-drive reciprocating compressors that goes chunka-chunka-chunka instead of brrrrrr like the high-speed ones do. It takes its time, but gets there. It has a receiver tank on wheels, a handle to tote it with, a pressure switch, and power cord. I've been threatening to fabricate a belt guard for it so I don't get a shirt sleeve (or worse) tangled up in it..." It is not a ligh-tish green color is it?! If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:58:44 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Willys Jeep Pietenpol Sure sounds nice, Kenny! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of aviken Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 10:14 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Willys Jeep Pietenpol UP-Date on the Jeep powered pietenpol. Late this afternoon I finally got the engine bolted down and hooked up. There are a few temporary fittings and such, but I think I had it close to the final stage to do a power test. At full power I was able to see 225 lbs on the official Fish scales. I may be able to tune a little better performance with another carburetor, I am not sure there is a lot of extra left... I will try to add a link to a youtube video of the run .http://youtu.be/BLTiPoNT5oM Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434146#434146 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Willys Jeep Pietenpol From: "womenfly2" ... try this link: Can we see more of the engine setup, please. WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434163#434163 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:13 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Builders and Flyers at Barnwell From: "jarheadpilot82" I know I wrote about Corvair College #31 when I first got home. It was a great, great experience with builders of all types. Here is a link to a posting specifically about Pietenpol builders and flyers that were there- http://wp.me/p22sJL-2pG Enjoy! -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434178#434178 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:31:57 AM PST US From: "THOMAS.233327" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: rivets Oscar I was told a while ago that the way to learn how to solid rivet is to take a piece of scrap and drill a 10x10 grid of holes in it. By the time you hav e filled all 100 holes with driven rivets, drilling out and replacing the b ad ones until all 100 are aircraft quality, you will know how to rivet. It worked for me. Also, most rivets harden with age. You might do well to put your rivets in your wife's oven at 4 or 5 hundred degrees for an hour or so, let them cool and keep them in the freezer until needed. I understand you only get to do this once, and the rivets will re-age-harden even in the freezer (just slo wer) so don't soften any more than you will be using in the next couple wee ks. It has worked for me. Tom Hale ----- Original Message ----- From: "taildrags" Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:34:56 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rivets I'll stand up and take the mike now. I am a hardware store pop rivet junkie and I have not been able to break the habit. I admit it. It's just too eas y and too cheap. I use them for everything, but when it came time to do som e metalwork on the Air Camper, I balked. I was making repairs to various me tal parts after the nose-over incident and I knew I couldn't use hardware s tore pop rivets or I would be scorned and sneered at by every pilot, builde r, and tech counselor who looked at Scout. It so happened that in the cours e of Corky's comings and goings (Corky built Scout and I bought the airplan e from him), he decided that he would not be needing a lot of his shop tool s and I became the proud owner of a rivet "gun", bucking bar, a couple of r ivet sets, a rivet cutter, and various ziplock bags and cans of assorted ri vets. I sorted out all the rivets to see what I had, inventoried everything , and put it all in a riveting stuff bin in the hangar. I was terrified of trying! to set a rivet, much less long strings of hundreds of them all down and aro und the metal parts of an aircraft. It didn't matter that Scout is a wood a nd fabric airplane ;o) My rationale for not trying rivets was that I didn't own a decent air compressor. So that was that, for a time. One day a guy that I worked with got himself a new air compressor and he ga ve me his old one. It is one of the old fashioned belt-drive reciprocating compressors that goes chunka-chunka-chunka instead of brrrrrr like the high -speed ones do. It takes its time, but gets there. It has a receiver tank o n wheels, a handle to tote it with, a pressure switch, and power cord. I've been threatening to fabricate a belt guard for it so I don't get a shirt s leeve (or worse) tangled up in it, but I need to learn how to rivet first ; o) Anyway, I completely dismantled the contraption, went through it all, re painted the metal parts, got a new set of lawnmower wheels for it, and all of a sudden I had what it took to be able to spray paint and set rivets. Setting solid rivets is easier than you think, it's far more durable and "a ircraft-y" than hardware store pop rivets, and it makes a really cool sound in your hangar when you set rivets. Mind you, I have not set more than a c ouple of dozen solid rivets in my entire life, but I am finding that there is a great deal of satisfaction in seeing them turn out right. I can pull c heap pop rivets all day long doing things like repairing gutters or making simple things out of sheet metal and tin snips, but setting solid rivets is different. There are a number of very useful resources out there for anyon e wanting to learn how to do it. The EAA's "Hints for Homebuilders" videos are a good start. I have also pulled aircraft-grade Cherry and Avex rivets and I have a parti ally-completed Zenith 601XL in my hangar (along with the wing spar mod kit to make it a -B model). I have a CD with a series of videos on how to insta ll the spar mods, and it involves drilling out possibly thousands of pulled and solid rivets and then installing thousands more of them to accomplish the spar modifications. For that job, I'll get a pneumatic puller and someo ne to help me handle the wing skins and the long chore of drilling out and setting new rivets. Then I'll probably go insane and my wife will call the guys in the white coats to come and take me to a rehabilitation place where I can once again spend my days working with wood and fabric and soothe my nerves. Did I mention that I don't know how to weld? Actually, I know how to JB Wel d, and I use it for everything that I can pop rivet together... ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434154#434154 =========== =========== =========== =========== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:19:04 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: I must have done something wrong........ John Greenlee-----SO cool that you are back working on your Pietenpol. I can't wait to see you fly her in one day at Brodhead! In reading all the posts about riveting, I had no idea you could do it in s uch fancy ways. With the very simple riveting lines required on a plane like the Pietenpol I only used hand tools and at minimal cost. I was able to fabricate everything, including the cooling eyebrows for my engine just by using these tools, a vise, some rivets, and a few drill bits . Sure worked nicely and very satisfying work. Mike C. [cid:image001.jpg@01D004DD.5CE1F4A0] ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:47:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Willys Jeep Pietenpol From: "aviken" I do feel like a fool sometimes when I try to post a picture and it doesn't work... No need for instructions, seems I am too old and dumb to comprehend them. If this actually works it will be some photos of my jeep conversion. 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