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Wed 11/26/14


Total Messages Posted: 10



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     0. 08:03 AM - Giving Thanks - Your List Contribution... (Matt Dralle)
     1. 06:06 AM - Re: Horizontal Stab leading edge (echobravo4)
     2. 06:57 AM - Re: Honda Goldwing radiator (aviken)
     3. 07:23 AM - Re: Horizontal Stab leading edge (Pocono John)
     4. 07:30 AM - Pietenpol Engines (Gary Boothe)
     5. 07:32 AM - Re: Honda Goldwing radiator (dgaldrich)
     6. 07:39 AM - =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0OiBSZTogSG9uZGEgR29sZHdpbmcgcmFkaWF0b3I=? (=?utf-8?B?c3RldmVuLmQuZG9ydGNoQGdtYWlsLmNvbQ==?=)
     7. 03:37 PM - Re: Honda Goldwing radiator (Bill Church)
     8. 07:17 PM - Re: Re: Honda Goldwing radiator (Ray Krause)
     9. 08:44 PM - Re: Honda Goldwing radiator (taildrags)
 
 
 


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    Time: 08:03:38 AM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Giving Thanks - Your List Contribution...
    Dear Listers, Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous feasts of plenty and giving thanks for the many blessings that have been bestowed upon us. Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists. One of my favorite comments is when someone writes to me and says something like, "Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!". That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists. Its always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning to check my List email!! Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for their continued operation and upgrade? The List Contribution Site is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA Thank you in advance for your kind consideration, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator


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    Time: 06:06:50 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Horizontal Stab leading edge
    From: "echobravo4" <eab4@comcast.net>
    Hi John Yes, the leading edge is centered on the "main beam" of the horizontal. I put my gussets on the ledges to keep everything down below the ribs and outer edges of the whole structure -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434701#434701


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    Time: 06:57:22 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Honda Goldwing radiator
    From: "aviken" <aviken@windstream.net>
    I am not a typical purest, but I do intend to stick as close to the plans as possible. Since I am using a jeep engine instead of a ford, I have drifted a certain distance from being a pure piet. What I tell myself to justify the engine change is that mr Pietenpol tried several different engines as well, and seemed to approve of others experimenting with other engines. The only way I would have changed the location of the radiator is if I could have one built that in-circle the prop shaft and be directly between the prop and engine. That, my friends would be one cool looking pietenpol. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434703#434703


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    Time: 07:23:50 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Horizontal Stab leading edge
    From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion@yahoo.com>
    Thanks Earl.and yes, the "main beam". Lot's of snow here already and very slick; even walking is difficult. Good day to build ribs and then back to my horizontal stab in the garage. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434704#434704


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    Time: 07:30:52 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Pietenpol Engines
    Kenny, Here's a list of engines with which Piet's have reportedly flown (there may be more). I don't think your Jeep engine endangers your purity. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of aviken Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 6:57 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Honda Goldwing radiator I am not a typical purest, but I do intend to stick as close to the plans as possible. Since I am using a jeep engine instead of a ford, I have drifted a certain distance from being a pure piet. What I tell myself to justify the engine change is that mr Pietenpol tried several different engines as well, and seemed to approve of others experimenting with other engines. The only way I would have changed the location of the radiator is if I could have one built that in-circle the prop shaft and be directly between the prop and engine. That, my friends would be one cool looking pietenpol. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434703#434703


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    Time: 07:32:19 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Honda Goldwing radiator
    From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
    I have this vague memory of Lowell Frank using a Funk engine (essentially an inverted model B Ford?) and an underslung radiator in his at one point in the past. As purely a guess, I suspect BHP stayed with the radiator configuration for the sake of simplicity. No convoluted plumbing, simple cowl,and easy service. Oh yes, heat. He did live in Minnesota. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434705#434705


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    Time: 07:39:27 AM PST US
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    Time: 03:37:20 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Honda Goldwing radiator
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    Here's a link to photos of BHP's Sky Scout with the underslung radiator. http://www.ktfiles.com/N12941.html The same aircraft is still flying today, in Australia. http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/N12941/n12941.htm And, there's this post from April 20, 2006: The radiator that Bernard mounted under the engine was used only on the Model A powered Scout...it worked really well... I restored the airplane about 40 years ago and it is still flying today. I doubt that it could be made to work on an Air Camper, because the firewall is vertical...on the Model A Scout, the firewall slanted back, allowing the cooling air from the radiator to travel up and back to exit through louvers on the top cowl ahead of the instrument panel. Bernard didn't "reject" the radiator installation...he just didn't build any more single place airplanes. Forrest Lovley Jordan MN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434793#434793


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    Time: 07:17:36 PM PST US
    From: Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Honda Goldwing radiator
    Bill, I'm building a Sky Scout and following the plans closely. I don't see that the firewall slants at all, it is verticle. The first picture on WCP shows the louvers just in front of the firewall. Not sure if these comments help. Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Nov 26, 2014, at 3:36 PM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > > Here's a link to photos of BHP's Sky Scout with the underslung radiator. > http://www.ktfiles.com/N12941.html > > The same aircraft is still flying today, in Australia. > http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/N12941/n12941.htm > > > And, there's this post from April 20, 2006: > > The radiator that Bernard mounted under the engine was used only on the Model A powered Scout...it worked really well... I restored the airplane about 40 years ago and it is still flying today. I doubt that it could be made to work on an Air Camper, because the firewall is vertical...on the Model A Scout, the firewall slanted back, allowing the cooling air from the radiator to travel up and back to exit through louvers on the top cowl ahead of the instrument panel. Bernard didn't "reject" the radiator installation...he just didn't build any more single place airplanes. > Forrest Lovley > Jordan MN > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434793#434793 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:44:26 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Honda Goldwing radiator
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Ken; Some years ago there was an award-winning scale replica Curtiss "Canuck" at Oshkosh, with a Geo Metro engine (I think). Really pretty airplane. If I remember correctly, he duplicated the Jenny/Canuck arrangement of the radiator flat on the nose with a hole through it for the prop shaft to pass through. You can do it ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434803#434803




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