---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/28/14: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 08:46 AM - Just Two Days Left! - Still Behind... (Matt Dralle) 1. 07:00 AM - Re: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? (Gary Boothe) 2. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? (airlion2@gmail.com) 3. 08:39 AM - Re: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? (Ray Krause) 4. 08:43 AM - Re: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? (Ray Krause) 5. 08:53 AM - Re: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? (Ray Krause) 6. 09:00 AM - Re: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? (Gary Boothe) 7. 09:20 AM - Re: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? (CatDesigns) 8. 09:26 AM - Re: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? (Gary Boothe) 9. 09:33 AM - Re: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? (Ray Krause) 10. 09:45 AM - Re: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? (Ray Krause) 11. 09:54 AM - Pietenpol project For Sale (GrantZ) 12. 04:58 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol Engines (Steven Dortch) 13. 05:38 PM - Re: Willys Jeep Pietenpol (Steven Dortch) 14. 06:31 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol Engines (Boatright, Jeffrey) 15. 08:00 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol Engines (macz@peak.org) 16. 08:07 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol Engines (Ray Krause) 17. 09:28 PM - Re: Honda Goldwing radiator (aviken) 18. 10:54 PM - Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? (aerocarjake) 19. 11:55 PM - Re: Re: Honda Goldwing radiator (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 08:46:05 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Just Two Days Left! - Still Behind... Dear Listers, There are just two more days left in this years List Fund Raiser. We are still way behind last year in terms of the number of contributions and total contribution amount. I really want to keep providing these services to the homebuilt community, but it take resources. Since there's no advertising budget or deep pockets to keep the operation a float, its solely your generosity during the Fund Raiser that keeps things going. Please make a Contribution today. If you've been putting off showing your support for the Lists, now is the time to do it! Make a contribution with a Credit Card or though PayPal at that Matronics Contribution web site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a check in the mail: Matronics / Matt Dralle 581 Jeannie Way Livermore, CA 94550 Thank you in advance for your support! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:49 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? www.transferbigfiles.com. It's free. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Boatright Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 1:42 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? --> aerocarjake wrote: > Ray, > > I shot lots of photos of the Port Townsend Aero Museum's Sky Scout - including lots of details/closeups. I could put them on a flash drive and send it to you if you get me your address..... Hi Jake, I don't know if your internet connection allows you to upload them (in terms of time, cost, or other limits), but have you considered sending them to Chris Tracy at www.westcoastpiet.com? This would allow a semi-permanent archiving and access for many of us. westcoastpiet@westcoastpiet.com Maybe Chris has an ftp site or something like dropbox that you can upload the images efficiently to. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434846#434846 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? From: airlion2@gmail.com Hi Jeff, I would like a copy since I am rebuilding my Piet. How have you been? I hope you have a nice holiday. Gardiner Mason. 840 woodley dr NW, Atlanta ga 30318 Sent from my iPad > On Nov 27, 2014, at 4:41 PM, "Jeff Boatright" wrote: > > > > aerocarjake wrote: >> Ray, >> >> I shot lots of photos of the Port Townsend Aero Museum's Sky Scout - including lots of details/closeups. I could put them on a flash drive and send it to you if you get me your address..... > > > Hi Jake, > > I don't know if your internet connection allows you to upload them (in terms of time, cost, or other limits), but have you considered sending them to Chris Tracy at www.westcoastpiet.com? This would allow a semi-permanent archiving and access for many of us. > > westcoastpiet@westcoastpiet.com > > Maybe Chris has an ftp site or something like dropbox that you can upload the images efficiently to. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434846#434846 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:09 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? Jake, That would be really great! Thanks you so much! I guess you really are as nice a guy as Brian said you are! I changed my rigging on the aileron idler cable to be just like the photo you sent. I'm making cable ferrules just like the ones they used. With the additional photos I might change some other things...this plane may never get finished. I guess getting there is the best part of the journey! Thanks so much, Ray Krause 843 Jay Street Colusa, CA 95932 Sent from my iPad > On Nov 27, 2014, at 12:43 PM, aerocarjake wrote: > > > Ray, > > I shot lots of photos of the Port Townsend Aero Museum's Sky Scout - including lots of details/closeups. I could put them on a flash drive and send it to you if you get me your address..... > > -------- > Jake Schultz - curator, > Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434835#434835 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:35 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? Jeff and Jake, Or I could just give the memory stick to Chris after I download the pictures. That would give me a good excuse to fly to Lincoln again and see what Gary Boothe is doing. Chris is close by, I think. My Aeronca, or Waiex should be able to handle the load! Thanks, Jeff, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Nov 27, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Jeff Boatright wrote: > > > > aerocarjake wrote: >> Ray, >> >> I shot lots of photos of the Port Townsend Aero Museum's Sky Scout - including lots of details/closeups. I could put them on a flash drive and send it to you if you get me your address..... > > > Hi Jake, > > I don't know if your internet connection allows you to upload them (in terms of time, cost, or other limits), but have you considered sending them to Chris Tracy at www.westcoastpiet.com? This would allow a semi-permanent archiving and access for many of us. > > westcoastpiet@westcoastpiet.com > > Maybe Chris has an ftp site or something like dropbox that you can upload the images efficiently to. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434846#434846 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:28 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? Gary, Does that mean I can't visit? Ray Sent from my iPad > On Nov 28, 2014, at 6:59 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > > www.transferbigfiles.com. It's free. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff > Boatright > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 1:42 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? > > --> > > > aerocarjake wrote: >> Ray, >> >> I shot lots of photos of the Port Townsend Aero Museum's Sky Scout - > including lots of details/closeups. I could put them on a flash drive and > send it to you if you get me your address..... > > > Hi Jake, > > I don't know if your internet connection allows you to upload them (in terms > of time, cost, or other limits), but have you considered sending them to > Chris Tracy at www.westcoastpiet.com? This would allow a semi-permanent > archiving and access for many of us. > > westcoastpiet@westcoastpiet.com > > Maybe Chris has an ftp site or something like dropbox that you can upload > the images efficiently to. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434846#434846 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:50 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? Ray, Far more classy to deliver by air! I'm sure we could co-ordinate something with Chris...and Mike Weaver. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 8:53 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? --> Gary, Does that mean I can't visit? Ray Sent from my iPad > On Nov 28, 2014, at 6:59 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > --> > > www.transferbigfiles.com. It's free. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff > Boatright > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 1:42 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? > > --> > > > aerocarjake wrote: >> Ray, >> >> I shot lots of photos of the Port Townsend Aero Museum's Sky Scout - > including lots of details/closeups. I could put them on a flash drive > and send it to you if you get me your address..... > > > Hi Jake, > > I don't know if your internet connection allows you to upload them (in > terms of time, cost, or other limits), but have you considered sending > them to Chris Tracy at www.westcoastpiet.com? This would allow a > semi-permanent archiving and access for many of us. > > westcoastpiet@westcoastpiet.com > > Maybe Chris has an ftp site or something like dropbox that you can > upload the images efficiently to. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434846#434846 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:52 AM PST US From: "CatDesigns" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? Gary and Ray I say we drive to Ray's place to get them and also see the Scout. That is if Ray doesn't keep making up excuses to keep us away...... If Jeff wants to put them on bropbox I can get them off there too. Chris Sacramento, CA WestcoastPiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 9:00 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? --> Ray, Far more classy to deliver by air! I'm sure we could co-ordinate something with Chris...and Mike Weaver. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 8:53 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? --> Gary, Does that mean I can't visit? Ray Sent from my iPad > On Nov 28, 2014, at 6:59 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > --> > > www.transferbigfiles.com. It's free. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff > Boatright > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 1:42 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? > > --> > > > aerocarjake wrote: >> Ray, >> >> I shot lots of photos of the Port Townsend Aero Museum's Sky Scout - > including lots of details/closeups. I could put them on a flash drive > and send it to you if you get me your address..... > > > Hi Jake, > > I don't know if your internet connection allows you to upload them (in > terms of time, cost, or other limits), but have you considered sending > them to Chris Tracy at www.westcoastpiet.com? This would allow a > semi-permanent archiving and access for many of us. > > westcoastpiet@westcoastpiet.com > > Maybe Chris has an ftp site or something like dropbox that you can > upload the images efficiently to. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434846#434846 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:51 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? Good idea, Chris! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of CatDesigns Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 9:20 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? Gary and Ray I say we drive to Ray's place to get them and also see the Scout. That is if Ray doesn't keep making up excuses to keep us away...... If Jeff wants to put them on bropbox I can get them off there too. Chris Sacramento, CA WestcoastPiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 9:00 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? --> Ray, Far more classy to deliver by air! I'm sure we could co-ordinate something with Chris...and Mike Weaver. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 8:53 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? --> Gary, Does that mean I can't visit? Ray Sent from my iPad > On Nov 28, 2014, at 6:59 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > --> > > www.transferbigfiles.com. It's free. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff > Boatright > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 1:42 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? > > --> > > > aerocarjake wrote: >> Ray, >> >> I shot lots of photos of the Port Townsend Aero Museum's Sky Scout - > including lots of details/closeups. I could put them on a flash drive > and send it to you if you get me your address..... > > > Hi Jake, > > I don't know if your internet connection allows you to upload them (in > terms of time, cost, or other limits), but have you considered sending > them to Chris Tracy at www.westcoastpiet.com? This would allow a > semi-permanent archiving and access for many of us. > > westcoastpiet@westcoastpiet.com > > Maybe Chris has an ftp site or something like dropbox that you can > upload the images efficiently to. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434846#434846 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:36 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? Date and time? I'm ready! Now that all the heavy lifting is done, you volunteer to come? Wings are on and ailerons working. Most cables are complete. Wow, it takes a lot of cable to get one of these things in the air, especially when I make a few mistakes! Ray Sent from my iPad > On Nov 28, 2014, at 9:20 AM, CatDesigns wrote: > > > Gary and Ray > > I say we drive to Ray's place to get them and also see the Scout. That is > if Ray doesn't keep making up excuses to keep us away...... > > If Jeff wants to put them on bropbox I can get them off there too. > > > Chris > Sacramento, CA > WestcoastPiet.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 9:00 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? > > --> > > Ray, > > Far more classy to deliver by air! I'm sure we could co-ordinate something > with Chris...and Mike Weaver. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 8:53 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? > > --> > > Gary, > > Does that mean I can't visit? > > Ray > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Nov 28, 2014, at 6:59 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: >> >> --> >> >> www.transferbigfiles.com. It's free. >> >> Gary Boothe >> NX308MB >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff >> Boatright >> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 1:42 PM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? >> >> --> >> >> >> aerocarjake wrote: >>> Ray, >>> >>> I shot lots of photos of the Port Townsend Aero Museum's Sky Scout - >> including lots of details/closeups. I could put them on a flash drive >> and send it to you if you get me your address..... >> >> >> Hi Jake, >> >> I don't know if your internet connection allows you to upload them (in >> terms of time, cost, or other limits), but have you considered sending >> them to Chris Tracy at www.westcoastpiet.com? This would allow a >> semi-permanent archiving and access for many of us. >> >> westcoastpiet@westcoastpiet.com >> >> Maybe Chris has an ftp site or something like dropbox that you can >> upload the images efficiently to. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434846#434846 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:45:39 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? I'm ready. But I have cataract surgery 12/16 preceded by Dr appt. 12/9 and 12/10. And that is only in one eye, so I won't be totally blind. Any other day will be fine between now and Christmas. I can always make room on my calendar for airplanes. And what does this have to do with radiators from a P-51? Ray Sent from my iPad > On Nov 28, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > > Good idea, Chris! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of CatDesigns > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 9:20 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? > > > Gary and Ray > > I say we drive to Ray's place to get them and also see the Scout. That is > if Ray doesn't keep making up excuses to keep us away...... > > If Jeff wants to put them on bropbox I can get them off there too. > > > Chris > Sacramento, CA > WestcoastPiet.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 9:00 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? > > --> > > Ray, > > Far more classy to deliver by air! I'm sure we could co-ordinate something > with Chris...and Mike Weaver. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 8:53 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? > > --> > > Gary, > > Does that mean I can't visit? > > Ray > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Nov 28, 2014, at 6:59 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: >> >> --> >> >> www.transferbigfiles.com. It's free. >> >> Gary Boothe >> NX308MB >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff >> Boatright >> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 1:42 PM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? >> >> --> >> >> >> aerocarjake wrote: >>> Ray, >>> >>> I shot lots of photos of the Port Townsend Aero Museum's Sky Scout - >> including lots of details/closeups. I could put them on a flash drive >> and send it to you if you get me your address..... >> >> >> Hi Jake, >> >> I don't know if your internet connection allows you to upload them (in >> terms of time, cost, or other limits), but have you considered sending >> them to Chris Tracy at www.westcoastpiet.com? This would allow a >> semi-permanent archiving and access for many of us. >> >> westcoastpiet@westcoastpiet.com >> >> Maybe Chris has an ftp site or something like dropbox that you can >> upload the images efficiently to. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434846#434846 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:51 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol project For Sale From: "GrantZ" Started my Pietenpol last November but have decided to sell my project. After much consideration, it looks like the Pietenpol will not fit my flying needs. Status of the project is: The fuselage is framed up, bottom attached, seat backs and bottom framing installed. Firewall and other bulkheads cut but not installed. Wing center section about 90% done, right wing panel about 80% done. Riblett 613.5 airfoil. All ribs completed. Have spars for left wing panel prepped and ready for ribs. Horizontal and vertical stabs, elevators and rudder are ready for varnish and hinge installation. Corvair motor disassembled, cleaned and case parts painted. Basically ready for reassembly with Wm Wynne's conversion parts. Have old cylinders, rods etc for use as cores. I planned on the split axle landing gear so I have a set of Cleveland 6" wheels, brakes, bolt on axles and 6.00 x 8.00 tires. 1 sheet (4ft x 8ft) each of 1/16 and 1/8 (for fuselage sides) birch aircraft plywood. Various 4130 wing fittings completed. If interested, please contact me off list. Grant Ziebell Savannah, TN 731-926-2454 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434956#434956 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Engines From: Steven Dortch I am fascinated by electric flight. For my weekend flying an electric motor would be awesome. One good flight of less than an hour with a good reserve. quieter and when you are done you just plug the plane in and go home. Don't have to get gas. When I deployed I did not want my wife to have to struggle with a gas mower and all that comes with it. IE gas, oil, sparkplugs and so on. When I came home I got used to using it and I am a convert. The big problem is usually the batteries and you just replace them. I will eventually buy an electric car when the prices and performance are right. Getting a electric Chevy Suburban could be on the horizon. My understanding is that a Pietenpol is a poor candidate for electric power, as electric power is at this time. Too draggy. But I am willing to be wrong. The electric motor is much smaller and lighter but the batteries are heavy. Having said that, you would be able to replace a heavy Model A engine and the fuel tanks with batteries. The wings of a Piet would be perfect for Solar cells, just to extend the range. I fantasize about converting my old 1948 Vtail bonanza to electric. But it is most likely too heavy. Electric Blue Skies Steve D ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:38:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Willys Jeep Pietenpol From: Steven Dortch Quite impressive. I really hope it pans out. 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Sure, a Piet has lots of drag, but if you look at what's being done you can see examples like the Pipistrel electric 2-place training plane which has a 31 lb Siemens motor which is supposedly equivalent to a 110 HP aircraft motor, and the 3500 lb Nissan Leaf car which has amazing acceleration, to see that electric should work in a Pietenpol once the batteries can hold enough juice to overcome a Piet's extra drag for a reasonable length of time. Even today, if you could live with a single-place Piet, an hour of flight is probably possible. Some of the new car battery packs are getting pretty compact. --Mac in Oregon > Same for me. There is an electric Piet project out there, but I dont > know much about it. The may be draggy, but it is interesting that several > of the more successful electric flying craft, so far, are based on > ultralights. Plenty of drag there. I think that a big part of the equation > is the mission. As you point out, an hour of flying is about what I do in > the morning. Maybe another hour in the evening. For that mission, the > electric solution already exists. Why dont I have one? Well, I already > have a Piet ;) Maybe if I didnt, I sink similar money into the > first generation ElectraFlyer and go have fun with that. Still, its > very attractive especially as, literally today, my carb started > leaking!! =o > > -- > Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO > Professor of Ophthalmology > Emory University School of Medicine > > From: Steven Dortch > > > Reply-To: > "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" > > > Date: Friday, November 28, 2014 at 7:58 PM > To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" > > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Engines > > I am fascinated by electric flight. For my weekend flying an electric > motor would be awesome. One good flight of less than an hour with a good > reserve. quieter and when you are done you just plug the plane in and go > home. Don't have to get gas. > > When I deployed I did not want my wife to have to struggle with a gas > mower and all that comes with it. IE gas, oil, sparkplugs and so on. When > I came home I got used to using it and I am a convert. The big problem is > usually the batteries and you just replace them. > > I will eventually buy an electric car when the prices and performance are > right. Getting a electric Chevy Suburban could be on the horizon. > > My understanding is that a Pietenpol is a poor candidate for electric > power, as electric power is at this time. Too draggy. But I am willing to > be wrong. > > The electric motor is much smaller and lighter but the batteries are > heavy. Having said that, you would be able to replace a heavy Model A > engine and the fuel tanks with batteries. The wings of a Piet would be > perfect for Solar cells, just to extend the range. > > I fantasize about converting my old 1948 Vtail bonanza to electric. But it > is most likely too heavy. > > Electric Blue Skies > Steve D > > > www.buildersbooks.com > www.homebuilthelp.com > www.mypilotstore.com > > > ________________________________ > > This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of > the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > information. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution > or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly > prohibited. > > If you have received this message in error, please contact > the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the > original message (including attachments). > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:13 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Engines Hey, maybe I can convert my Sky Scout at sometime in the future! Thanks for the idea, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Nov 28, 2014, at 7:59 PM, macz@peak.org wrote: > > > It seems to me that an electric Piet is feasible--it currently would only > be limited by flight time (battery capacity). > > Sure, a Piet has lots of drag, but if you look at what's being done you > can see examples like the Pipistrel electric 2-place training plane which > has a 31 lb Siemens motor which is supposedly equivalent to a 110 HP > aircraft motor, and the 3500 lb Nissan Leaf car which has amazing > acceleration, to see that electric should work in a Pietenpol once the > batteries can hold enough juice to overcome a Piet's extra drag for a > reasonable length of time. Even today, if you could live with a > single-place Piet, an hour of flight is probably possible. Some of the > new car battery packs are getting pretty compact. > --Mac in Oregon > > > > >> Same for me. There is an electric Piet project out there, but I dont >> know much about it. The may be draggy, but it is interesting that several >> of the more successful electric flying craft, so far, are based on >> ultralights. Plenty of drag there. I think that a big part of the equation >> is the mission. As you point out, an hour of flying is about what I do in >> the morning. Maybe another hour in the evening. For that mission, the >> electric solution already exists. Why dont I have one? Well, I already >> have a Piet ;) Maybe if I didnt, I sink similar money into the >> first generation ElectraFlyer and go have fun with that. Still, its >> very attractive especially as, literally today, my carb started >> leaking!! =o >> >> -- >> Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO >> Professor of Ophthalmology >> Emory University School of Medicine >> >> From: Steven Dortch >> > >> Reply-To: >> "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" >> > >> Date: Friday, November 28, 2014 at 7:58 PM >> To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" >> > >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Engines >> >> I am fascinated by electric flight. For my weekend flying an electric >> motor would be awesome. One good flight of less than an hour with a good >> reserve. quieter and when you are done you just plug the plane in and go >> home. Don't have to get gas. >> >> When I deployed I did not want my wife to have to struggle with a gas >> mower and all that comes with it. IE gas, oil, sparkplugs and so on. When >> I came home I got used to using it and I am a convert. The big problem is >> usually the batteries and you just replace them. >> >> I will eventually buy an electric car when the prices and performance are >> right. Getting a electric Chevy Suburban could be on the horizon. >> >> My understanding is that a Pietenpol is a poor candidate for electric >> power, as electric power is at this time. Too draggy. But I am willing to >> be wrong. >> >> The electric motor is much smaller and lighter but the batteries are >> heavy. Having said that, you would be able to replace a heavy Model A >> engine and the fuel tanks with batteries. The wings of a Piet would be >> perfect for Solar cells, just to extend the range. >> >> I fantasize about converting my old 1948 Vtail bonanza to electric. But it >> is most likely too heavy. >> >> Electric Blue Skies >> Steve D >> >> >> >> www.buildersbooks.com >> www.homebuilthelp.com >> www.mypilotstore.com >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of >> the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged >> information. If the reader of this message is not the intended >> recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution >> or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly >> prohibited. >> >> If you have received this message in error, please contact >> the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the >> original message (including attachments). > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Honda Goldwing radiator From: "aviken" My 'Goldwing radiator came In the mail today and after un-packing it I noticed it would fit behind the prop and above the prop shaft. I believe I will try it to see if it has enough cooling ability. It will surely look cool in that spot. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434972#434972 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:31 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? From: "aerocarjake" OK... I'll send a flash stick and try to post them to west coast Piet. I post at lunch from my work computer which blocks access to all large file sites. I'll find some way that works. Finished up the wing strut ftgs today should be assembling the whole airplane for the first time on Sunday (to measure the wing strut lengths) so I'll post pictures soon - pretty exciting....... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434973#434973 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:09 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Honda Goldwing radiator Well I finally found pics of Jim Malley's Fiesta Piet. As you can see he has two rads beside the prop shaft and had to add one more small one just ahead of the landing gear. Clif > > My 'Goldwing radiator came In the mail today and after un-packing it I > noticed it would fit behind the prop and above the prop shaft. I believe > I will try it to see if it has enough cooling ability. It will surely look > cool in that spot. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.