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0. 09:17 AM - Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Coming Soon! (Matt Dralle)
1. 12:59 AM - Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? (aerocarjake)
2. 04:42 AM - Re: Re: Honda Goldwing radiator (Charles N. Campbell)
3. 06:43 AM - Progress in Pryor (Jim Markle)
4. 08:22 AM - Re: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? (Ray Krause)
5. 10:01 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol Engines (Jack Phillips)
6. 10:11 AM - Re: Progress in Pryor (taildrags)
7. 10:12 AM - Re: Sky Scout (taildrags)
8. 10:22 AM - Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? (taildrags)
9. 11:11 AM - Re: Progress in Pryor (Jeff Boatright)
10. 12:25 PM - Re: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? (Gary Boothe)
11. 02:33 PM - Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? (taildrags)
12. 07:23 PM - Re: Re: Honda Goldwing radiator (Clif Dawson)
13. 07:26 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol Engines (Clif Dawson)
14. 07:27 PM - Re: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? (Ray Krause)
15. 07:34 PM - Re: Re: Honda Goldwing radiator (Ray Krause)
16. 07:35 PM - Re: Jim Malley's Piet (taildrags)
17. 09:20 PM - Re: Progress in Pryor (aviken)
18. 10:52 PM - Re: Re: Honda Goldwing radiator (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Coming |
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| Subject: | Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? |
OK... I'll send a flash stick and try to post them to west coast Piet. I post at
lunch from my work computer which blocks access to all large file sites. I'll
find some way that works. Finished up the wing strut ftgs today should be assembling
the whole airplane for the first time on Sunday (to measure the wing
strut lengths) so I'll post pictures soon - pretty exciting.......
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Honda Goldwing radiator |
I'm not getting the pictures that people are sending. Is it my
computer/program or what? Chuck
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 2:55 AM, Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> Well I finally found pics of Jim Malley's Fiesta Piet.
> As you can see he has two rads beside the prop
> shaft and had to add one more small one just ahead
> of the landing gear.
>
> Clif
>
>
>> My 'Goldwing radiator came In the mail today and after un-packing it I
>> noticed it would fit behind the prop and above the prop shaft. I believe I
>> will try it to see if it has enough cooling ability. It will surely look
>> cool in that spot.
>>
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| Subject: | Progress in Pryor |
Finished rib tapes in the first wing panel yesterday. Moving the project fr
om my workshop (200'+ from the house) to the attached garage sure makes work
ing on it a lot more likely! Perimeter tapes today and maybe stating the pa
int tomorrow.
Life is good.
Hope everyone had a good Thanksgiving. We especially give thanks for those o
f you who served our country. Thank you.
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| Subject: | Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? |
Jake,
Thank you so much! If sending the large file is too complicated, I will gladly
get the stick to Chris Tracy. Or, if you find a way to send the large file, that
would also work for me. I have a desk top computer I can use, if my wife will
allow it (she will)!
If you send the large file, please send it to both me and my wife at dmkrause@frintiernet.net.
That way, it will be sure to arrive safely. My iPad sometimes
gets cranky with larger files.
Have fun building,
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 29, 2014, at 12:58 AM, aerocarjake <flight.jake@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> OK... I'll send a flash stick and try to post them to west coast Piet. I post
at lunch from my work computer which blocks access to all large file sites. I'll
find some way that works. Finished up the wing strut ftgs today should be
assembling the whole airplane for the first time on Sunday (to measure the wing
strut lengths) so I'll post pictures soon - pretty exciting.......
>
> --------
> Jake Schultz - curator,
> Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434976#434976
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Engines |
I dunno. I kind of like the "pockita pockita" sound of a Model A or a
Continental. "Whirrrr" just doesn't sound the same.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Boatright,
Jeffrey
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Engines
Same for me. There is an electric Piet project out there, but I don't
know
much about it. The may be draggy, but it is interesting that several of
the
more successful electric flying craft, so far, are based on ultralights.
Plenty of drag there. I think that a big part of the equation is the
mission. As you point out, an hour of flying is about what I do in the
morning. Maybe another hour in the evening. For that mission, the
electric
solution already exists. Why don't I have one? Well, I already have a
Piet.
;) Maybe if I didn't, I sink similar money into the first generation
ElectraFlyer and go have fun with that. Still, it's very attractive -
especially as, literally today, my carb started leaking!! =o
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Engines
I am fascinated by electric flight. For my weekend flying an electric
motor
would be awesome. One good flight of less than an hour with a good
reserve.
quieter and when you are done you just plug the plane in and go home.
Don't
have to get gas.
When I deployed I did not want my wife to have to struggle with a gas
mower
and all that comes with it. IE gas, oil, sparkplugs and so on. When I
came
home I got used to using it and I am a convert. The big problem is
usually
the batteries and you just replace them.
I will eventually buy an electric car when the prices and performance
are
right. Getting a electric Chevy Suburban could be on the horizon.
My understanding is that a Pietenpol is a poor candidate for electric
power,
as electric power is at this time. Too draggy. But I am willing to be
wrong.
The electric motor is much smaller and lighter but the batteries are
heavy.
Having said that, you would be able to replace a heavy Model A engine
and
the fuel tanks with batteries. The wings of a Piet would be perfect for
Solar cells, just to extend the range.
I fantasize about converting my old 1948 Vtail bonanza to electric. But
it
is most likely too heavy.
Electric Blue Skies
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Progress in Pryor |
Well Jim, the "People's Piet" looks good in pastel colored stripes ;o) Sure is
going to scare the chickens when you light off the engine though. Probably pull
the side off the barn when you hook up the fish scales, too ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Dick; do you plan to put your Sky Scout on those Muktuk floats? It would likely
be the first ever to fly.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? |
Ray; this has nothing to do with a radiator from a P-51! It's kind of a slow holiday
weekend though, and I don't know about your location but Medford is low
and messy IFR so we're mostly indoors.
Don't worry about the cataract surgery- my wife had both eyes done (with a few
months between surgeries) and could not believe all that she had been missing
when she looked out through the first new lens.
You guys who are talking about going to visit Ray in Colusa, I have a favor to
ask. Gary and Chris have been most gracious to have moved and stored my little
Ultravair engine for all these months but I'm hoping that it can be shifted
over to Ray's if he'll be headed up here to Oregon to visit his son. I'll be
happy to pay fuel costs for moving it so I can get it in my hangar.
Thanks.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Progress in Pryor |
dfwplt wrote:
> ...Moving the project from my workshop (200'+ from the house) to the attached
garage sure makes working on it a lot more likely!...
6 feet of snow and uphill both ways out and back to that workshop, eh Jim? [Wink]
Looks great and thanks for sending the photos!
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? |
Oscar,
This is what we'll be using to move your engine...so your offer to buy gas
is most appreciated!!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 10:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ?
--> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Ray; this has nothing to do with a radiator from a P-51! It's kind of a
slow holiday weekend though, and I don't know about your location but
Medford is low and messy IFR so we're mostly indoors.
Don't worry about the cataract surgery- my wife had both eyes done (with a
few months between surgeries) and could not believe all that she had been
missing when she looked out through the first new lens.
You guys who are talking about going to visit Ray in Colusa, I have a favor
to ask. Gary and Chris have been most gracious to have moved and stored my
little Ultravair engine for all these months but I'm hoping that it can be
shifted over to Ray's if he'll be headed up here to Oregon to visit his son.
I'll be happy to pay fuel costs for moving it so I can get it in my hangar.
Thanks.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? |
Gary; if you'll be moving my engine in a twin Beech, I'll not only pay for the
gas but I'll also drive down there, help you load it up, ride right seat to go
drop it off, help you unload it, and then ride right seat back down after unloading
it ;o) I would love to get a ride in one of those.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Honda Goldwing radiator |
My apologies. I'm so bad. I thought I
was so clever finding this stuff that I
forgot to paste in the link!!! So here
it is. You'll have to scroll down a bit.
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=58665&start=0&postdays=
0&postorder=asc&highlight=&sid=39ef372d0a98a685fc403c5dd2d2b64b
Bad Clif
You cannot escape. Every day
a part of you turns to shit.
I'm not getting the pictures that people are sending. Is it my
computer/program or what? Chuck
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Engines |
Just poke a piece of cardboard into the spokes, er,
prop blades.
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 10:00 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Engines
I dunno. I kind of like the "pockita pockita" sound of a Model A or a
Continental. "Whirrrr" just doesn't sound the same.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Boatright, Jeffrey
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 9:31 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Engines
Same for me. There is an electric Piet project out there, but I don't
know much about it. The may be draggy, but it is interesting that
several of the more successful electric flying craft, so far, are based
on ultralights. Plenty of drag there. I think that a big part of the
equation is the mission. As you point out, an hour of flying is about
what I do in the morning. Maybe another hour in the evening. For that
mission, the electric solution already exists. Why don't I have one?
Well, I already have a Piet. ;) Maybe if I didn't, I sink similar money
into the first generation ElectraFlyer and go have fun with that. Still,
it's very attractive - especially as, literally today, my carb started
leaking!! =o
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
<pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Date: Friday, November 28, 2014 at 7:58 PM
To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Engines
I am fascinated by electric flight. For my weekend flying an
electric motor would be awesome. One good flight of less than an hour
with a good reserve. quieter and when you are done you just plug the
plane in and go home. Don't have to get gas.
When I deployed I did not want my wife to have to struggle with a
gas mower and all that comes with it. IE gas, oil, sparkplugs and so on.
When I came home I got used to using it and I am a convert. The big
problem is usually the batteries and you just replace them.
I will eventually buy an electric car when the prices and
performance are right. Getting a electric Chevy Suburban could be on the
horizon.
My understanding is that a Pietenpol is a poor candidate for
electric power, as electric power is at this time. Too draggy. But I am
willing to be wrong.
The electric motor is much smaller and lighter but the batteries are
heavy. Having said that, you would be able to replace a heavy Model A
engine and the fuel tanks with batteries. The wings of a Piet would be
perfect for Solar cells, just to extend the range.
I fantasize about converting my old 1948 Vtail bonanza to electric.
But it is most likely too heavy.
Electric Blue Skies
Steve D
www.buildersbooks.comwww.mypilotstore.comhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigat
or?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? |
Oscar,
For me, the cataract surgery may be really beneficial because I also have macular
degeneration in that eye. This will allow more light in and possibly increase
distance vision? It is dry macular degeneration and is not getting worse, so
hopefully I can keep flying for a while.
Not sure how big your Ultravair engine might be, if smaller then a cat D-9, I can
take care of it and probably get it to Medford, sometime. As you know, my grand
daughter goes to the University of Portland and we were just up there to
visit her. My grandson will be going there in the fall. So someone will be going
up there.
Glad to help you out,
Ray
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 29, 2014, at 10:22 AM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Ray; this has nothing to do with a radiator from a P-51! It's kind of a slow
holiday weekend though, and I don't know about your location but Medford is low
and messy IFR so we're mostly indoors.
>
> Don't worry about the cataract surgery- my wife had both eyes done (with a few
months between surgeries) and could not believe all that she had been missing
when she looked out through the first new lens.
>
> You guys who are talking about going to visit Ray in Colusa, I have a favor to
ask. Gary and Chris have been most gracious to have moved and stored my little
Ultravair engine for all these months but I'm hoping that it can be shifted
over to Ray's if he'll be headed up here to Oregon to visit his son. I'll be
happy to pay fuel costs for moving it so I can get it in my hangar.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435067#435067
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Honda Goldwing radiator |
Cliff,
Do you happen to know how the wing was finished on this PIET? Just clear dop
e? UV protection?
Thanks,
Ray Krause
Ready to start covering SkyScout
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 29, 2014, at 7:23 PM, Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> My apologies. I'm so bad. I thought I
> was so clever finding this stuff that I
> forgot to paste in the link!!! So here
> it is. You'll have to scroll down a bit.
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=58665&start=0&postdays=0
&postorder=asc&highlight=&sid=39ef372d0a98a685fc403c5dd2d2b64b
>
> Bad Clif
>
> You cannot escape. Every day
> a part of you turns to shit.
>
> I'm not getting the pictures that people are sending. Is it my computer/p
rogram or what? Chuck
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jim Malley's Piet |
Wow, what a beauty! Excellent workmanship, and the whole visual scheme is very
tasteful and reminiscent of the times. Great work, and great photos.
But is it just me, or is the gap between rudder and vertical stabilizer quite large?
Not at all being critical, just commenting.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Progress in Pryor |
Looks great Jim and happy Thanks giving .
My gas tank project sucks. Worked half a day soldering all the seams when
I put water in it well you could have taken a shower under it.
I think I will cut out the parts from aluminum, rivet them together then get
a friend of my who can weld aluminum to put it together
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| Subject: | Re: Honda Goldwing radiator |
No, sorry. There was an article in Kitplanes, I think.
With this nasty move I'm involved in my home has
turned into a house full of box's. That mag is in one of
them. Somewhere. The paint info is probably in that
article.
Well, at least da plane has found a home.
Clif
Cliff,
Do you happen to know how the wing was finished on this PIET? Just
clear dope? UV protection?
Thanks,
Ray Krause
Ready to start covering SkyScout
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