---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 12/16/14: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:51 AM - Re: Fabric help please! (Flyboy) 2. 07:47 AM - Re: Model A Engine (Baldeagle) 3. 11:44 AM - Re: Fabric help please! (bubbleboy) 4. 02:43 PM - Another pietenpol egg has been laid (glenschweizer@yahoo.com) 5. 03:06 PM - Re: nothing in particular (John Kuhfahl) 6. 06:36 PM - Re: nothing in particular (Bill Church) 7. 07:11 PM - Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid (geraldmorrissey) 8. 08:25 PM - Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid (macz@peak.org) 9. 09:21 PM - Re: Model A Engine (taildrags) 10. 09:30 PM - Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid (taildrags) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:51:12 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fabric help please! From: "Flyboy" Scotty, you might look at oratex Fabric. In our high school shop we are covering our Piet with Oratex. No chemicals, no paint. Easy Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435771#435771 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:37 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model A Engine From: "Baldeagle" Some interesting reading: http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/showpost.php?p=651276&postcount=18 But remember that there are a number of Model A Piets flying around with basically stock per-Bernard conversions. You have to decide for yourself how much fancy stuff you want to add. - -------- do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435772#435772 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:44:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fabric help please! From: "bubbleboy" Thank you everyone for your replies! Some great options! Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Fuslage now on its undercarriage! About to start wing spars...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435781#435781 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:45 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another pietenpol egg has been laid From: glenschweizer@yahoo.com Finally, I've committed to build a Piet! Not just any pietenpol,however, a Chad Wille Aeriel. This is a Biplane adaptation. Some one just threw a wrench at me but I ducked it's OK. I know the purists will probably throw me out of the pieten-polpit, but if it's any consolation, the lower wing is removable, so come on , can I stay? I've got a few ideas I'd like some input on if you're still reading. I'd like to try to source this build using primarily locally sourced materials. Around here(Oregon) that means Doug Fir. I realize the weight penalty(about 15%), but there is the strength increase as well. As far as spars go. I've noticed that some builders have used a routed spar to save considerable weight. Could the same result be obtained using a full depth web with spar caps laminated to either side top and bottom? For power I plan to use a William Wynn Corvair conversion. I would find it very helpful if someone could provide performance numbers for a normal aircamper powered by a 120hp Corvair Thanks. Glen Sent from my iPhone ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:06:16 PM PST US From: John Kuhfahl Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: nothing in particular Okkkvndvrnnn nn Hughsnet vdjjjjnnn bcdsdgb Sent from my iPhone John Kuhfahl President, KUHLCOUPER LLC On Dec 13, 2014, at 8:21 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > Okay, Pieters- it's been a sad weekend, what with Vi Kapler leaving this e arth for judgement. May God find him to have been a good and faithful serva nt. > > We had our first sunny afternoon in a long while here in southern Oregon s o I went out to the hangar and changed out the bent fork end fitting on the l ower port side forward strut (one of the squawks at the last annual). Easie r than I thought, but then again I had a helper to wiggle the wing and hand m e tools, so it went well. Re-tensioned the X-brace cables, safetied them, a nd then taxied out to the fuel pumps to warm up the oil and top off the tank . It was nice to have the A75 come to life and carry me here and there with out complaint. At the pumps, I took on about 10 gallons when a Taylorcraft c ame taxiing up after an easy out-and-back flight to do what I had done on th e ramp... warm up the oil and knock off a little of the rust. We talked abo ut A65s and starters (he wants to upgrade to a C85 on the T-Cart), and how t he runway surface was at one of our nearby unpaved fields (Beagle Sky Ranch) .. > > Even without flying, Scout provided enough sensory input to keep me going f or another week or two of fall and winter weather. Just firing up the engin e was enough, but taxiing out with gloves and flying helmet on and fueling a nd restarting and taxiing some more was just gravy. These airplanes are so r ewarding. > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:00 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: nothing in particular From: "Bill Church" Good point. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435794#435794 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:17 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid From: "geraldmorrissey" You may consider Port Orford cedar. It's source is close to you. Considered by many to be a great alternative to spruce for spars. Steen Aero used to recommend it for Skybolt spars. Cheers Gerry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435796#435796 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:32 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another pietenpol egg has been laid From: macz@peak.org Glen-- I agree Port Orford Cedar would be a great choice that is much better than Doug Fir. Unfortunately, disease wiped out many of these beautiful trees so it is hard to find good stuff. Back when it was plentiful it was used for arrow shafts and boat planking. Where are you in Oregon? --Mac, on Oregon coast > > Finally, I've committed to build a Piet! Not just any pietenpol,however, a > Chad Wille Aeriel. This is a Biplane adaptation. Some one just threw a > wrench at me but I ducked it's OK. I know the purists will probably throw > me out of the pieten-polpit, but if it's any consolation, the lower wing > is removable, so come on , can I stay? > I've got a few ideas I'd like some input on if you're still reading. > I'd like to try to source this build using primarily locally sourced > materials. Around here(Oregon) that means Doug Fir. I realize the weight > penalty(about 15%), but there is the strength increase as well. As far as > spars go. I've noticed that some builders have used a routed spar to save > considerable weight. Could the same result be obtained using a full depth > web with spar caps laminated to either side top and bottom? > For power I plan to use a William Wynn Corvair conversion. I would > find it very helpful if someone could provide performance numbers for a > normal aircamper powered by a 120hp Corvair Thanks. Glen > > Sent from my iPhone > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:23 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model A Engine From: "taildrags" You know, Tools, you could designate one of your tool-a-palooza work sessions as a Ford engine building session and I'll bet you could get a good group of people to attend with tools, parts, and skills needed to drag one of your project Model A engines out onto the table and start turning it into an airplane engine. Start out by posting what you need (head, mag, crank, whatever) and I'll bet you could get a nice engine put together when folks start dragging things out of their parts bins and showing up for the event with stuff in the trunks of their cars, or in their pickups, or even in some Piets if they fly in. Call it the Ford version of a Corvair College ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435801#435801 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:54 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid From: "taildrags" Glen; Unless you just want a biplane because it's a biplane, be advised that an Aerial will weigh more than an Air Camper, take more time to build, require more space, require more power, not cruise any faster, cost more to build, and not have any better performance. I love biplanes, but to me the Aerial is an Air Camper with extra stuff stuck on it, and the result is no better than an Air Camper. I bought an Aerial as a project a few years ago, with the sole purpose of obtaining the beautiful set of spoked wheel landing gear that came with it. I donated the fuselage and wings to a school in Alaska so that the students could have a project to learn on and build. I have not heard how it is going up there. An Oregon builder could do a lot worse than to use locally available and affordable Doug fir for the build, knowing in advance that the airplane will be heavy and will require more power in order to perform. With 120HP available, you should have enough power. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435802#435802 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.