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1. 02:07 AM - Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid (johnnysdrop)
2. 04:01 AM - Re: Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid (Charles N. Campbell)
3. 04:05 AM - Re: Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid (Charles N. Campbell)
4. 06:20 AM - It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (jarheadpilot82)
5. 06:31 AM - Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (Jeff Boatright)
6. 06:53 AM - Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (tkreiner)
7. 07:14 AM - Re: Another Pietenpol ()
8. 07:16 AM - Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (tools)
9. 07:26 AM - Wing rib help! (rkirk77)
10. 07:33 AM - Re: Wing rib help! (tools)
11. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (glenschweizer@yahoo.com)
12. 07:46 AM - Re: Another Pietenpol (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
13. 07:47 AM - Re: Wing rib help! (glenschweizer@yahoo.com)
14. 07:51 AM - Re: Wing rib help! (rkirk77)
15. 07:53 AM - Re: Wing rib help! (rkirk77)
16. 07:57 AM - Re: Wing rib help! (tools)
17. 08:00 AM - Re: Wing rib help! (rkirk77)
18. 08:05 AM - Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (tools)
19. 08:09 AM - Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (Jack Phillips)
20. 08:18 AM - Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (tools)
21. 08:49 AM - Re: Another Pietenpol (Ray Krause)
22. 09:06 AM - Re: Another Pietenpol (curtdm(at)gmail.com)
23. 09:09 AM - Re: Another Pietenpol (jarheadpilot82)
24. 09:11 AM - Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (dwilson)
25. 09:13 AM - Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (Barry Davis)
26. 09:16 AM - Re: Re: Another Pietenpol ()
27. 09:17 AM - Winter Flying! (Barry Davis)
28. 09:19 AM - Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (jarheadpilot82)
29. 09:23 AM - Re: Re: Another Pietenpol ()
30. 09:25 AM - Re: Wing rib help! (glenschweizer@yahoo.com)
31. 09:30 AM - Re: Re: Wing rib help! (glenschweizer@yahoo.com)
32. 09:37 AM - Re: Re: Wing rib help! (glenschweizer@yahoo.com)
33. 09:38 AM - Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (tools)
34. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: Wing rib help! (Jack Phillips)
35. 09:43 AM - Re: Another Pietenpol (William Wynne)
36. 09:44 AM - Re: Wing rib help! (rkirk77)
37. 09:50 AM - Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (tools)
38. 09:58 AM - Re: Re: Wing rib help! (Marcus Zechini)
39. 09:59 AM - Re: Wing rib help! (tools)
40. 10:12 AM - Re: Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (Jack)
41. 10:19 AM - Re: Wing rib help! (namrednos)
42. 10:30 AM - Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (tools)
43. 10:43 AM - a little more about the all metal Piet builder (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
44. 10:53 AM - T-88 in the heat (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
45. 10:57 AM - all metal Pietenpol (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
46. 11:14 AM - Re: Wing rib help! (geraldmorrissey)
47. 01:18 PM - Re: all metal Pietenpol (AircamperN11MS)
48. 01:31 PM - Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid (AircamperN11MS)
49. 08:02 PM - Re: Winter Flying! (Ray Krause)
50. 09:01 PM - Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (aerocarjake)
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Subject: | Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid |
Glen
If you want a light spar use the UK approved Jim Wills spar, it is tested and used
on most UK Pietenpols so has a lot of hours on the design.
Basically consists of an 1/8th ply web scarfed from 50" sections with (from memory)
1.125" x 0.875" spruce caps on the front spar and 1" x 0.750" spruce caps
on rear spars. There is various blocking in between the caps for lift struts,
tip bows and root brackets to centre section, blocking for jury struts and for
rib supports. This is then covered in 1/8th ply but only where any blocking
exists.
It's quite a lot of work but the finished spars ARE LIGHT, I know as have just
built mine!
If you want anymore info please email me and a word of caution, do not reduce
sizes of materials because you think something is stronger in a different spec
material without a full analysis of the component.
Regards
English Johnny
Building the 3 piece Wills wing
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Subject: | Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid |
I'm using Doug Fir almost exclusively in my Piet and I first considered
lowering the dimentions of the members. But I thought, "Hey! down the line
this might cause a problem (changing the dimentions.) So I used the plans
dimentions. Don't know yet how much difference the weight will be, but I'm
using a larger engine (Corvair) so maybe the performance will be at least
as good as a spruce airplane with a 65HP engine.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:05 PM, <macz@peak.org> wrote:
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> Another possibility is Western Hemlock. Bernard Pietenpol used it in the
> last plane or two and said it worked good. I used to get 1-1/2 inch by
> 1/4 inch hemlock lathe at the lumberyard and pieces 16 feet long had over
> 24 rings to the inch with no ring leaving the board in 16 feet! I don't
> know if that stuff is still available, but with some looking you could
> probably find some. It is very comparable to spruce in strength and
> weight.
> --Mac in Oregon
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> >
> >
> > Glen;
> >
> > Unless you just want a biplane because it's a biplane, be advised that an
> > Aerial will weigh more than an Air Camper, take more time to build,
> > require more space, require more power, not cruise any faster, cost more
> > to build, and not have any better performance.
> >
> > I love biplanes, but to me the Aerial is an Air Camper with extra stuff
> > stuck on it, and the result is no better than an Air Camper. I bought
> an
> > Aerial as a project a few years ago, with the sole purpose of obtaining
> > the beautiful set of spoked wheel landing gear that came with it. I
> > donated the fuselage and wings to a school in Alaska so that the students
> > could have a project to learn on and build. I have not heard how it is
> > going up there.
> >
> > An Oregon builder could do a lot worse than to use locally available and
> > affordable Doug fir for the build, knowing in advance that the airplane
> > will be heavy and will require more power in order to perform. With
> 120HP
> > available, you should have enough power.
> >
> > --------
> > Oscar Zuniga
> > Medford, OR
> > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> > A75 power
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> > Read this topic online here:
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> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435802#435802
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Subject: | Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid |
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:56 AM, dgaldrich <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
wrote:
> dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
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> To the naysayers, I recommend the Robert Frost poem "The Road Not Taken".
>
> Since BHP was arguably the father of EXPERIMENTAL aviation, I think we
> should allow divergence and creativity. As Oscar pointed out, there are
> issues to be solved but half the fun in the process is finding elegant,
> workable solutions to problems.
>
> Ref the wood issues, since doug fir is stronger and heavier than Sitka,
> you could reduce the size of the longerons to 1 x 7/8 and still have the
> same strength as 1x1 Sitka. If you really wanted to go avante garde, you
> could make the spars from a 1/4 inch plywood web and 3/8 x 1 caps on each
> side top and bottom. I'm even betting that you could use 3/8 x 1/4
> capstrips for the ribs. Aeronca used 1/4 x 1/4 on the Champs and Chiefs so
> there is some basis for that premise.
>
> The road less traveled may have some big potholes but it will eventually
> get you somewhere.
>
> Dave
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>
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435810#435810
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Subject: | It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford |
Hello Good Pietple,
In the Marine Corps there is the rank of Lance Corporal which is one rank below
Corporal. You are not a lowly Private First Class, but you are not yet a Corporal.
You are a Lance Corporal. Several months ago Mike Danford, aka "Tools" on
this forum, got a Captain bid here at Delta, our mutual employer. As he was
no longer just a First Officer but not quite a Captain , I began calling him Lance
Captain Danford whenever I talked to him.
Well, Mike is Lance Captain Danford no more. And the pictures shows the four stripes
to prove it. Mike is the one on the right. The one with hair and who does
not (yet) need glasses.
Congrats to Mike! By flying the MD88 ( which I lovingly refer to as 'the tube of
pain') he will rapidly exceed his Pietenpol flying hours.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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Subject: | Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford |
Congratulations!
Now he can buy the SECOND round for all of us! [Wink]
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Subject: | Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford |
Congratulations, Tools!
Nice to know the guy in the left seat's been approved!
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Subject: | Another Pietenpol |
With the recent emails about building an Aerial I thought I would post some
pics of several "Barn Finds" out in a little town called Jensen in Eastern
Utah at a private airfield. The older Gentleman David Karren owned 7 airp
lanes among them was a Pietenpol Sky Scout, an Aerial both he built himself
and a early Baby Ace. There is also a picture of the Sky Scout on Westcoas
t piet in the snow.
Brian
SLC-UT
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Subject: | Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford |
Oh ya, beers on me... But ya gotta come to toolstock to get them!
My life of luxury is over. Most heavy drivers coming back down to a light twin
tend to flare high. But as it turns out, I have WAY more stick time in the Piet
than the A330 over the last three years... Sooooo... Treated my first 700
passengers to a proper landing. One where ya land like ya mean it! Ya...
One day off then the final trip complete with an observation by the Feds... THEN
the Lance goes fully away. Hopefully it'll warm up enough to get a fee landings
in the Piet before I lose my touch.
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Hi Guys,
I've just finished my 3rd rib and just found out that I should have been making
"test strips" with every batch of epoxy [Shocked] .
What are these and how do i make them?
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Subject: | Re: Wing rib help! |
Uh... You using a one to one ratio epoxy, probably t88?
Have no clue what a test strip is! Can tell you if you have any idea how to form
two piles of goo that are different colors the same size, and aren't color
blind enough to the point you have no idea if they're mixed (meaning you can tell
when they are), you'll be fine!
Now, if you're mixing a specialized epoxy to hold tunnel support rods in an underwater
tunnel in Boston... I'd get a little worried!
Tools
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Subject: | Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford |
I didn't know that a pietenpol had a left seat!?? Congratulations Captain!
Glen
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> On Dec 18, 2014, at 6:52 AM, "tkreiner" <tkreiner@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Congratulations, Tools!
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> Nice to know the guy in the left seat's been approved!
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> Tom Kreiner
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Subject: | Another Pietenpol |
Wow Brian---those were some GREAT barn finds out in Utah. Thank you for sharing
the photos and your discovery!
Mike C.
Ohio
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Subject: | Re: Wing rib help! |
A test strip tests the bond strength of each mixed batch of epoxy. Do two. One
to test to destruction, one to keep. Glue scraps using the same clamp method
as the joints you made
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> On Dec 18, 2014, at 7:26 AM, "rkirk77" <rkirk77@cogeco.ca> wrote:
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> Hi Guys,
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> I've just finished my 3rd rib and just found out that I should have been making
"test strips" with every batch of epoxy [Shocked] .
>
> What are these and how do i make them?
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Subject: | Re: Wing rib help! |
Hi Tools,
Yes, I am using T-88 Epoxy and mixing it at a 1:1 ratio (.. or near as I can tell..
lol).
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Subject: | Re: Wing rib help! |
Glen - Put one overlapping the other?
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Subject: | Re: Wing rib help! |
Glen's idea is even better, gluing scrap with the leftover. You'll feel comfortable
and confident soon enough.
Glen's suggestion will also give you an idea where you're using too much or too
little glue.
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Subject: | Re: Wing rib help! |
I always use too much glue on all of my joints.. ROFL
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Subject: | Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford |
First, thanks!
What terry didn't mention was that neither did I! I put the preference in over
ten years ago and forgot it was there! We have a saying, bid what ya want, and
want what ya bid... Wups!
It was time anyway, I was starting to get a little surly...
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Subject: | It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford |
Way to go, Tools! Maybe now, since you are worthy of a salute, we should
reverse your name and call you Sloot!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jarheadpilot82
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:20 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford
<jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
Hello Good Pietple,
In the Marine Corps there is the rank of Lance Corporal which is one rank
below Corporal. You are not a lowly Private First Class, but you are not yet
a Corporal. You are a Lance Corporal. Several months ago Mike Danford, aka
"Tools" on this forum, got a Captain bid here at Delta, our mutual employer.
As he was no longer just a First Officer but not quite a Captain , I began
calling him Lance Captain Danford whenever I talked to him.
Well, Mike is Lance Captain Danford no more. And the pictures shows the four
stripes to prove it. Mike is the one on the right. The one with hair and who
does not (yet) need glasses.
Congrats to Mike! By flying the MD88 ( which I lovingly refer to as 'the
tube of pain') he will rapidly exceed his Pietenpol flying hours.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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Subject: | Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford |
Got a new guy in my s3 squadron... He farted a lot, we called him stool. Before
him I was the fart king. Although we looked way different, we both had jet
black hair and monster eyebrows and people got us mixed up all the time. We eventually
both became known as stools!
Practically nothing in this world is new! Maybe go with sloots?! Not my call...
Of course lots of folks would joke about just calling me tool... Which, again,
wasn't my call, but I would remind them of self fulfilling prophecies!
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Subject: | Re: Another Pietenpol |
Wow! A Sky Scout with a Corvair engine! Sure would like to see some performance
numbers. When did it last fly? I love those wheels, wonder what they are.
Thanks,
Ray Krause
Building SkyScout
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> On Dec 18, 2014, at 7:45 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]
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> Wow Brian---those were some GREAT barn finds out in Utah. Thank you for sharing
the photos and your discovery!
>
> Mike C.
> Ohio
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Subject: | Re: Another Pietenpol |
Very cool find! Thank you for sharing them with us!
What is the model in the second photo?
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Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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Subject: | Re: Another Pietenpol |
Brian,
So did you buy it? [Wink]
Are those VG's on the upper surface of the Sky Scout wing?
Thanks for sharing!
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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Subject: | Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford |
What was this toolstock thing again ?
Dan
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Subject: | It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford |
Hey Terry, Did Mike order a larger hat size as well? LOL Wink
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jarheadpilot82
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:20 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford
--> <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
Hello Good Pietple,
In the Marine Corps there is the rank of Lance Corporal which is one rank
below Corporal. You are not a lowly Private First Class, but you are not yet
a Corporal. You are a Lance Corporal. Several months ago Mike Danford, aka
"Tools" on this forum, got a Captain bid here at Delta, our mutual employer.
As he was no longer just a First Officer but not quite a Captain , I began
calling him Lance Captain Danford whenever I talked to him.
Well, Mike is Lance Captain Danford no more. And the pictures shows the four
stripes to prove it. Mike is the one on the right. The one with hair and who
does not (yet) need glasses.
Congrats to Mike! By flying the MD88 ( which I lovingly refer to as 'the
tube of pain') he will rapidly exceed his Pietenpol flying hours.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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Subject: | Re: Another Pietenpol |
It's a Baby Ace, I think he told me it was a 1929.
Brian
SLC-UT
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t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of curtdm(at)gmail.com
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Pietenpol
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Very cool find! Thank you for sharing them with us!
What is the model in the second photo?
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Dang it was cold last Saturday, but hey..somebody's gotta do it.
Barry Davis
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Subject: | Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford |
Dan,
That is a weekend where anyone and everyone who wants to can come camp out at Tool's
house and use his equipment. It may be some that you may not have
Normal access to. VERY extensive collection of tools, hence the call sign. He is
the only guy I know with 3 phase power to his personal shop, if that tells you
anything.
I like to refer to it as "Toolapalooza" myself.
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Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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Subject: | Re: Another Pietenpol |
Correction... A/W date shows it's a 1990.
Brian
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It's a Baby Ace, I think he told me it was a 1929.
Brian
SLC-UT
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Very cool find! Thank you for sharing them with us!
What is the model in the second photo?
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Subject: | Re: Wing rib help! |
A test strip tests the bond strength of each mixed batch of epoxy. Do two. One
to test to destruction, one to keep. Glue scraps using the same clamp method
as the joints you made
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Subject: | Re: Wing rib help! |
Good idea! That way would be great for comparison.
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Subject: | Re: Wing rib help! |
The subject once again is T-88. Good stuff. One concern is thermal resistance.
Try this. Then tell me what you think: glue a piece of 1.5mm ply to a piece
of wood let it cure. Use your covering iron to get the ply just slightly too
hot to touch. The ply will peel off like a post it note.
With thousands of planes being built using T-88, obviously it works, but should
this be a concern?
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Subject: | Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford |
Last weekend in February, just a weekend where folks show up and use my shops and
machine tools to do projects. Started as a group of folks who restore woodworking
tools. Starting last year, expanding to home builders as well.
Can crash anywhere, have a decent sized house available, thirty five acres, a couple
motor homes, spare tents, a box truck... Don't matter!
We just pass the hat and cook onsite, lots of coolers full of everything, goes
from Thursday to sun. Usually lots of shooting as well. Have had machine guns
show up, rifles, shotguns, pistols... WWII vintage, you name it.
My piet should be available for rides, might have access to a 182 this year as
well if anyone needs a bfr or something.
Go to OWWM.ORG and search toolstock, and youtube search toolstock '10 for pics,
movies and discussion. It's free, casual, no schedule.
Looks like we will have accomplished aircraft welding mentors available this year
as well as a tech advisor or two. Insofar as piets, can play with a ford a
block, make, rout, mill wing spars. Mill wood, cut parts on a metal cutting
saw. Might have an a and p available if someone wants to fly in and get an annual.
Have a couple grass fields nearby, and a rather varsity strip at the house.
Might be a hundred folks, might be ten. About 40 to 50 during the event is normal.
Kinda fun.
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Subject: | Re: Wing rib help! |
That's one reason T-88 isn't approved by the FAA for repair work on
certificated airplanes. As far as I know, the only glue approved by the FAA
is Resorcinol. Resorcinol meets a Mil Spec that requires, among other
things, being able to be immersed in boiling water for 24 hours with no loss
of strength. That's very handy to know, if you ever plan to boil your
airplane.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
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Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help!
The subject once again is T-88. Good stuff. One concern is thermal
resistance. Try this. Then tell me what you think: glue a piece of 1.5mm
ply to a piece of wood let it cure. Use your covering iron to get the ply
just slightly too hot to touch. The ply will peel off like a post it note.
With thousands of planes being built using T-88, obviously it works, but
should this be a concern?
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Subject: | Re: Another Pietenpol |
Brian,
Great photos, especially of the man himself. I have never met him in person, but
he corresponded with many people, and in the late 1980s and early 1990s he wrote
short bits and sent photos in to the Buckeye and international newsletters.
When I first started working with Corvairs, he was one of the few people writing
about what he was up to.
His Corvair/Scout snow photo is popular, it has been on our old site for 15 years, it is the 2nd one down at this link: http://www.flycorvair.com/planes.html
Mr. Karren wrote about flying in UT, often mentioned that his field elevation was
something like 7,000' Nice to see that he is still out there and his work is
in good condition. -ww.
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Subject: | Re: Wing rib help! |
I am also using 1/4" nails.. and I am keeping them in. :)
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Subject: | Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford |
Keep in mind all my stuff came off a scrap truck. Some restored to original, most
is reasonable, some barely working and some pure yard art. I spend my time
showing folks idiosyncrasies of tools, looking for tooling amongst the clutter,
fixing neglected stuff and drinking!
I invite as many mentors as I can, but it's very much a what YOU make of it event.
Come with a project, help someone else, just watch, doesn't matter.
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Subject: | Re: Wing rib help! |
My Resorcinal pretty ugly....dang, I guess I can't steam clean those spots!
On Dec 18, 2014 12:46 PM, "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com> wrote:
> jack@bedfordlandings.com>
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> certificated airplanes. As far as I know, the only glue approved by the
> FAA
> is Resorcinol. Resorcinol meets a Mil Spec that requires, among other
> things, being able to be immersed in boiling water for 24 hours with no
> loss
> of strength. That's very handy to know, if you ever plan to boil your
> airplane.
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> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
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> The subject once again is T-88. Good stuff. One concern is thermal
> resistance. Try this. Then tell me what you think: glue a piece of 1.5mm
> ply to a piece of wood let it cure. Use your covering iron to get the ply
> just slightly too hot to touch. The ply will peel off like a post it note.
> With thousands of planes being built using T-88, obviously it works, but
> should this be a concern?
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> can tell.. lol).
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Subject: | Re: Wing rib help! |
Unbelievably, casein glue is also legal on some planes...
Is the heat thing a concern? I just REALLY don't know. Boat builders sure put
the screws to the stuff, is that comforting? Again...
I'm not so sure the reason epoxy isn't legal isn't the same reason casein is.
As in the case of the l-5. Pretty sure there isn't an ad requiring you to make
sure microbes haven't eaten your glue. That airplane is totally dependent on
glue in the wings, doesn't even have anti drag wires, rather plywood shear panels.
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Subject: | Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford |
Tools please mention the dates and your location again. We may be coming back from
Florida about then...
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showing folks idiosyncrasies of tools, looking for tooling amongst the clutter,
fixing neglected stuff and drinking!
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Subject: | Re: Wing rib help! |
I just finished my 30th rib, (so you know I have not tested my Piet). The way I
test is to take each Popsicles stick that I applied that batch with and apply
it together with a scrap piece of plywood. After two days I tear them apart.
I make sure the joint tears apart with wood fiber, not at the glue joint.
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Subject: | Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford |
Would be great to have you!
Feb 26 to mar 1. Always welcome by anytime though. I may or may not be there,
but someone will.
Chickamauga ga, just south of chatt tn. Closest interstate exit, battlefield parkway
off I-75, last exit in ga. Or the Trenton exit off I-59.
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Subject: | a little more about the all metal Piet builder |
He appears to be from Istanbul, Turkey.
http://atolyecoptenadam.com
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Subject: | T-88 in the heat |
Glen,
I used T-88 for every glue joint in my Pietenpol and I have had it out in the sun
on 90, 95, and 97F days and flown it on those days with bumpy
turbulence and nothing fell apart due to T-88 softening so I would say ignore any
thoughts or worries about using T-88 from that standpoint.
Should this be a concern? No. You have bigger fish to fry.
Merry Christmas!
Mike C.
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Subject: | all metal Pietenpol |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AubJnqouy78
28 second video. I know about as much about this project as you.
Mike C.
Ohio
Oh yes.....and their human-powered helicopter too.....35 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDoyZAfDAYw
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Subject: | Re: Wing rib help! |
I built some Smith Termite ribs back in 1968. They have been hanging in various
places in all kind of temperature and humidity conditions unvarnished ever since.
Last year I tested one to destruction and the wood broke before the glue
bond. The glue was Weldwood Plastic Resin. I've built a lot of stuff with T-88
but still love the plastic resin the best. Mix with water, fool proof.
Cheers
Gerry
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Subject: | Re: all metal Pietenpol |
Good stuff Mike.
That helicopter would have VERY SHORT flights if I was to power it.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Subject: | Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid |
Glen,
I think it is a great idea. So what if it is slow. So is my Piet. :) Biplanes
are cool. We need variety and Pietenpol's seem to offer more variety than any
other homebuilt I can think of. Like Mike C says, "They are all snowflakes".
I can't wait to see it.
Cheers and happy building,
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Subject: | Re: Winter Flying! |
Beautiful! This may be considered torture! How much down pitch do you have o
n your engine mount?
Thanks,
Ray Krause
Building Sky Scout
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Subject: | Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford |
Con llll gratula llll tions
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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