---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/18/14: 50 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:07 AM - Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid (johnnysdrop) 2. 04:01 AM - Re: Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid (Charles N. Campbell) 3. 04:05 AM - Re: Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid (Charles N. Campbell) 4. 06:20 AM - It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (jarheadpilot82) 5. 06:31 AM - Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (Jeff Boatright) 6. 06:53 AM - Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (tkreiner) 7. 07:14 AM - Re: Another Pietenpol () 8. 07:16 AM - Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (tools) 9. 07:26 AM - Wing rib help! (rkirk77) 10. 07:33 AM - Re: Wing rib help! (tools) 11. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (glenschweizer@yahoo.com) 12. 07:46 AM - Re: Another Pietenpol (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 13. 07:47 AM - Re: Wing rib help! (glenschweizer@yahoo.com) 14. 07:51 AM - Re: Wing rib help! (rkirk77) 15. 07:53 AM - Re: Wing rib help! (rkirk77) 16. 07:57 AM - Re: Wing rib help! (tools) 17. 08:00 AM - Re: Wing rib help! (rkirk77) 18. 08:05 AM - Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (tools) 19. 08:09 AM - Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (Jack Phillips) 20. 08:18 AM - Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (tools) 21. 08:49 AM - Re: Another Pietenpol (Ray Krause) 22. 09:06 AM - Re: Another Pietenpol (curtdm(at)gmail.com) 23. 09:09 AM - Re: Another Pietenpol (jarheadpilot82) 24. 09:11 AM - Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (dwilson) 25. 09:13 AM - Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (Barry Davis) 26. 09:16 AM - Re: Re: Another Pietenpol () 27. 09:17 AM - Winter Flying! (Barry Davis) 28. 09:19 AM - Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (jarheadpilot82) 29. 09:23 AM - Re: Re: Another Pietenpol () 30. 09:25 AM - Re: Wing rib help! (glenschweizer@yahoo.com) 31. 09:30 AM - Re: Re: Wing rib help! (glenschweizer@yahoo.com) 32. 09:37 AM - Re: Re: Wing rib help! (glenschweizer@yahoo.com) 33. 09:38 AM - Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (tools) 34. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: Wing rib help! (Jack Phillips) 35. 09:43 AM - Re: Another Pietenpol (William Wynne) 36. 09:44 AM - Re: Wing rib help! (rkirk77) 37. 09:50 AM - Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (tools) 38. 09:58 AM - Re: Re: Wing rib help! (Marcus Zechini) 39. 09:59 AM - Re: Wing rib help! (tools) 40. 10:12 AM - Re: Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (Jack) 41. 10:19 AM - Re: Wing rib help! (namrednos) 42. 10:30 AM - Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (tools) 43. 10:43 AM - a little more about the all metal Piet builder (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 44. 10:53 AM - T-88 in the heat (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 45. 10:57 AM - all metal Pietenpol (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 46. 11:14 AM - Re: Wing rib help! (geraldmorrissey) 47. 01:18 PM - Re: all metal Pietenpol (AircamperN11MS) 48. 01:31 PM - Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid (AircamperN11MS) 49. 08:02 PM - Re: Winter Flying! (Ray Krause) 50. 09:01 PM - Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (aerocarjake) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:07:53 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid From: "johnnysdrop" Glen If you want a light spar use the UK approved Jim Wills spar, it is tested and used on most UK Pietenpols so has a lot of hours on the design. Basically consists of an 1/8th ply web scarfed from 50" sections with (from memory) 1.125" x 0.875" spruce caps on the front spar and 1" x 0.750" spruce caps on rear spars. There is various blocking in between the caps for lift struts, tip bows and root brackets to centre section, blocking for jury struts and for rib supports. This is then covered in 1/8th ply but only where any blocking exists. It's quite a lot of work but the finished spars ARE LIGHT, I know as have just built mine! If you want anymore info please email me and a word of caution, do not reduce sizes of materials because you think something is stronger in a different spec material without a full analysis of the component. Regards English Johnny Building the 3 piece Wills wing -------- The only way is UP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435827#435827 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:01:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid From: "Charles N. Campbell" I'm using Doug Fir almost exclusively in my Piet and I first considered lowering the dimentions of the members. But I thought, "Hey! down the line this might cause a problem (changing the dimentions.) So I used the plans dimentions. Don't know yet how much difference the weight will be, but I'm using a larger engine (Corvair) so maybe the performance will be at least as good as a spruce airplane with a 65HP engine. On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:05 PM, wrote: > > Another possibility is Western Hemlock. Bernard Pietenpol used it in the > last plane or two and said it worked good. I used to get 1-1/2 inch by > 1/4 inch hemlock lathe at the lumberyard and pieces 16 feet long had over > 24 rings to the inch with no ring leaving the board in 16 feet! I don't > know if that stuff is still available, but with some looking you could > probably find some. It is very comparable to spruce in strength and > weight. > --Mac in Oregon > > > > > > > > Glen; > > > > Unless you just want a biplane because it's a biplane, be advised that an > > Aerial will weigh more than an Air Camper, take more time to build, > > require more space, require more power, not cruise any faster, cost more > > to build, and not have any better performance. > > > > I love biplanes, but to me the Aerial is an Air Camper with extra stuff > > stuck on it, and the result is no better than an Air Camper. I bought > an > > Aerial as a project a few years ago, with the sole purpose of obtaining > > the beautiful set of spoked wheel landing gear that came with it. I > > donated the fuselage and wings to a school in Alaska so that the students > > could have a project to learn on and build. I have not heard how it is > > going up there. > > > > An Oregon builder could do a lot worse than to use locally available and > > affordable Doug fir for the build, knowing in advance that the airplane > > will be heavy and will require more power in order to perform. With > 120HP > > available, you should have enough power. > > > > -------- > > Oscar Zuniga > > Medford, OR > > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > > A75 power > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435802#435802 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:21 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid From: "Charles N. Campbell" On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:56 AM, dgaldrich wrote: > dgaldrich@embarqmail.com> > > To the naysayers, I recommend the Robert Frost poem "The Road Not Taken". > > Since BHP was arguably the father of EXPERIMENTAL aviation, I think we > should allow divergence and creativity. As Oscar pointed out, there are > issues to be solved but half the fun in the process is finding elegant, > workable solutions to problems. > > Ref the wood issues, since doug fir is stronger and heavier than Sitka, > you could reduce the size of the longerons to 1 x 7/8 and still have the > same strength as 1x1 Sitka. If you really wanted to go avante garde, you > could make the spars from a 1/4 inch plywood web and 3/8 x 1 caps on each > side top and bottom. I'm even betting that you could use 3/8 x 1/4 > capstrips for the ribs. Aeronca used 1/4 x 1/4 on the Champs and Chiefs so > there is some basis for that premise. > > The road less traveled may have some big potholes but it will eventually > get you somewhere. > > Dave > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435810#435810 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:03 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford From: "jarheadpilot82" Hello Good Pietple, In the Marine Corps there is the rank of Lance Corporal which is one rank below Corporal. You are not a lowly Private First Class, but you are not yet a Corporal. You are a Lance Corporal. Several months ago Mike Danford, aka "Tools" on this forum, got a Captain bid here at Delta, our mutual employer. As he was no longer just a First Officer but not quite a Captain , I began calling him Lance Captain Danford whenever I talked to him. Well, Mike is Lance Captain Danford no more. And the pictures shows the four stripes to prove it. Mike is the one on the right. The one with hair and who does not (yet) need glasses. Congrats to Mike! By flying the MD88 ( which I lovingly refer to as 'the tube of pain') he will rapidly exceed his Pietenpol flying hours. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435832#435832 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_501.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:58 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford From: "Jeff Boatright" Congratulations! Now he can buy the SECOND round for all of us! [Wink] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435834#435834 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:02 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford From: "tkreiner" Congratulations, Tools! Nice to know the guy in the left seat's been approved! -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435836#435836 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:57 AM PST US From: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another Pietenpol With the recent emails about building an Aerial I thought I would post some pics of several "Barn Finds" out in a little town called Jensen in Eastern Utah at a private airfield. The older Gentleman David Karren owned 7 airp lanes among them was a Pietenpol Sky Scout, an Aerial both he built himself and a early Baby Ace. There is also a picture of the Sky Scout on Westcoas t piet in the snow. Brian SLC-UT ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:14 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford From: "tools" Oh ya, beers on me... But ya gotta come to toolstock to get them! My life of luxury is over. Most heavy drivers coming back down to a light twin tend to flare high. But as it turns out, I have WAY more stick time in the Piet than the A330 over the last three years... Sooooo... Treated my first 700 passengers to a proper landing. One where ya land like ya mean it! Ya... One day off then the final trip complete with an observation by the Feds... THEN the Lance goes fully away. Hopefully it'll warm up enough to get a fee landings in the Piet before I lose my touch. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435841#435841 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:28 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing rib help! From: "rkirk77" Hi Guys, I've just finished my 3rd rib and just found out that I should have been making "test strips" with every batch of epoxy [Shocked] . What are these and how do i make them? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435842#435842 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:41 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help! From: "tools" Uh... You using a one to one ratio epoxy, probably t88? Have no clue what a test strip is! Can tell you if you have any idea how to form two piles of goo that are different colors the same size, and aren't color blind enough to the point you have no idea if they're mixed (meaning you can tell when they are), you'll be fine! Now, if you're mixing a specialized epoxy to hold tunnel support rods in an underwater tunnel in Boston... I'd get a little worried! Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435843#435843 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford From: glenschweizer@yahoo.com I didn't know that a pietenpol had a left seat!?? Congratulations Captain! Glen Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 18, 2014, at 6:52 AM, "tkreiner" wrote: > > > Congratulations, Tools! > > Nice to know the guy in the left seat's been approved! > > -------- > Tom Kreiner > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435836#435836 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:08 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another Pietenpol Wow Brian---those were some GREAT barn finds out in Utah. Thank you for sharing the photos and your discovery! Mike C. Ohio ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:48 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing rib help! From: glenschweizer@yahoo.com A test strip tests the bond strength of each mixed batch of epoxy. Do two. One to test to destruction, one to keep. Glue scraps using the same clamp method as the joints you made Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 18, 2014, at 7:26 AM, "rkirk77" wrote: > > > Hi Guys, > > I've just finished my 3rd rib and just found out that I should have been making "test strips" with every batch of epoxy [Shocked] . > > What are these and how do i make them? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435842#435842 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:03 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help! From: "rkirk77" Hi Tools, Yes, I am using T-88 Epoxy and mixing it at a 1:1 ratio (.. or near as I can tell.. lol). Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435848#435848 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:01 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help! From: "rkirk77" Glen - Put one overlapping the other? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435849#435849 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:01 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help! From: "tools" Glen's idea is even better, gluing scrap with the leftover. You'll feel comfortable and confident soon enough. Glen's suggestion will also give you an idea where you're using too much or too little glue. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435850#435850 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help! From: "rkirk77" I always use too much glue on all of my joints.. ROFL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435851#435851 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:21 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford From: "tools" First, thanks! What terry didn't mention was that neither did I! I put the preference in over ten years ago and forgot it was there! We have a saying, bid what ya want, and want what ya bid... Wups! It was time anyway, I was starting to get a little surly... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435852#435852 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:01 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford Way to go, Tools! Maybe now, since you are worthy of a salute, we should reverse your name and call you Sloot! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jarheadpilot82 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:20 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford Hello Good Pietple, In the Marine Corps there is the rank of Lance Corporal which is one rank below Corporal. You are not a lowly Private First Class, but you are not yet a Corporal. You are a Lance Corporal. Several months ago Mike Danford, aka "Tools" on this forum, got a Captain bid here at Delta, our mutual employer. As he was no longer just a First Officer but not quite a Captain , I began calling him Lance Captain Danford whenever I talked to him. Well, Mike is Lance Captain Danford no more. And the pictures shows the four stripes to prove it. Mike is the one on the right. The one with hair and who does not (yet) need glasses. Congrats to Mike! By flying the MD88 ( which I lovingly refer to as 'the tube of pain') he will rapidly exceed his Pietenpol flying hours. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435832#435832 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_501.jpg ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:28 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford From: "tools" Got a new guy in my s3 squadron... He farted a lot, we called him stool. Before him I was the fart king. Although we looked way different, we both had jet black hair and monster eyebrows and people got us mixed up all the time. We eventually both became known as stools! Practically nothing in this world is new! Maybe go with sloots?! Not my call... Of course lots of folks would joke about just calling me tool... Which, again, wasn't my call, but I would remind them of self fulfilling prophecies! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435854#435854 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:38 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another Pietenpol Wow! A Sky Scout with a Corvair engine! Sure would like to see some performance numbers. When did it last fly? I love those wheels, wonder what they are. Thanks, Ray Krause Building SkyScout Sent from my iPad > On Dec 18, 2014, at 7:45 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote: > > > Wow Brian---those were some GREAT barn finds out in Utah. Thank you for sharing the photos and your discovery! > > Mike C. > Ohio > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:21 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Pietenpol From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" Very cool find! Thank you for sharing them with us! What is the model in the second photo? -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435860#435860 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Pietenpol From: "jarheadpilot82" Brian, So did you buy it? [Wink] Are those VG's on the upper surface of the Sky Scout wing? Thanks for sharing! -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435861#435861 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford From: "dwilson" What was this toolstock thing again ? Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435862#435862 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:34 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford Hey Terry, Did Mike order a larger hat size as well? LOL Wink Barry -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jarheadpilot82 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:20 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford --> Hello Good Pietple, In the Marine Corps there is the rank of Lance Corporal which is one rank below Corporal. You are not a lowly Private First Class, but you are not yet a Corporal. You are a Lance Corporal. Several months ago Mike Danford, aka "Tools" on this forum, got a Captain bid here at Delta, our mutual employer. As he was no longer just a First Officer but not quite a Captain , I began calling him Lance Captain Danford whenever I talked to him. Well, Mike is Lance Captain Danford no more. And the pictures shows the four stripes to prove it. Mike is the one on the right. The one with hair and who does not (yet) need glasses. Congrats to Mike! By flying the MD88 ( which I lovingly refer to as 'the tube of pain') he will rapidly exceed his Pietenpol flying hours. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435832#435832 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_501.jpg ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:05 AM PST US From: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Pietenpol It's a Baby Ace, I think he told me it was a 1929. Brian SLC-UT -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of curtdm(at)gmail.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:06 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Pietenpol --> Very cool find! Thank you for sharing them with us! What is the model in the second photo? -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435860#435860 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:18 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Winter Flying! Dang it was cold last Saturday, but hey..somebody's gotta do it. Barry Davis NX973BP ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford From: "jarheadpilot82" Dan, That is a weekend where anyone and everyone who wants to can come camp out at Tool's house and use his equipment. It may be some that you may not have Normal access to. VERY extensive collection of tools, hence the call sign. He is the only guy I know with 3 phase power to his personal shop, if that tells you anything. I like to refer to it as "Toolapalooza" myself. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435864#435864 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:23 AM PST US From: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Pietenpol Correction... A/W date shows it's a 1990. Brian -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:13 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Pietenpol It's a Baby Ace, I think he told me it was a 1929. Brian SLC-UT -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of curtdm(at)gmail.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:06 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Pietenpol --> Very cool find! Thank you for sharing them with us! What is the model in the second photo? -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435860#435860 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:48 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing rib help! From: glenschweizer@yahoo.com A test strip tests the bond strength of each mixed batch of epoxy. Do two. One to test to destruction, one to keep. Glue scraps using the same clamp method as the joints you made Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 18, 2014, at 7:26 AM, "rkirk77" wrote: > > > Hi Guys, > > I've just finished my 3rd rib and just found out that I should have been making "test strips" with every batch of epoxy [Shocked] . > > What are these and how do i make them? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435842#435842 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help! From: glenschweizer@yahoo.com Good idea! That way would be great for comparison. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 18, 2014, at 7:52 AM, "rkirk77" wrote: > > > Glen - Put one overlapping the other? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435849#435849 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:01 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help! From: glenschweizer@yahoo.com The subject once again is T-88. Good stuff. One concern is thermal resistance. Try this. Then tell me what you think: glue a piece of 1.5mm ply to a piece of wood let it cure. Use your covering iron to get the ply just slightly too hot to touch. The ply will peel off like a post it note. With thousands of planes being built using T-88, obviously it works, but should this be a concern? Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 18, 2014, at 7:50 AM, "rkirk77" wrote: > > > Hi Tools, > > Yes, I am using T-88 Epoxy and mixing it at a 1:1 ratio (.. or near as I can tell.. lol). > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435848#435848 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:57 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford From: "tools" Last weekend in February, just a weekend where folks show up and use my shops and machine tools to do projects. Started as a group of folks who restore woodworking tools. Starting last year, expanding to home builders as well. Can crash anywhere, have a decent sized house available, thirty five acres, a couple motor homes, spare tents, a box truck... Don't matter! We just pass the hat and cook onsite, lots of coolers full of everything, goes from Thursday to sun. Usually lots of shooting as well. Have had machine guns show up, rifles, shotguns, pistols... WWII vintage, you name it. My piet should be available for rides, might have access to a 182 this year as well if anyone needs a bfr or something. Go to OWWM.ORG and search toolstock, and youtube search toolstock '10 for pics, movies and discussion. It's free, casual, no schedule. Looks like we will have accomplished aircraft welding mentors available this year as well as a tech advisor or two. Insofar as piets, can play with a ford a block, make, rout, mill wing spars. Mill wood, cut parts on a metal cutting saw. Might have an a and p available if someone wants to fly in and get an annual. Have a couple grass fields nearby, and a rather varsity strip at the house. Might be a hundred folks, might be ten. About 40 to 50 during the event is normal. Kinda fun. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435870#435870 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:01 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help! That's one reason T-88 isn't approved by the FAA for repair work on certificated airplanes. As far as I know, the only glue approved by the FAA is Resorcinol. Resorcinol meets a Mil Spec that requires, among other things, being able to be immersed in boiling water for 24 hours with no loss of strength. That's very handy to know, if you ever plan to boil your airplane. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of glenschweizer@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 12:37 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help! The subject once again is T-88. Good stuff. One concern is thermal resistance. Try this. Then tell me what you think: glue a piece of 1.5mm ply to a piece of wood let it cure. Use your covering iron to get the ply just slightly too hot to touch. The ply will peel off like a post it note. With thousands of planes being built using T-88, obviously it works, but should this be a concern? Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 18, 2014, at 7:50 AM, "rkirk77" wrote: > > > Hi Tools, > > Yes, I am using T-88 Epoxy and mixing it at a 1:1 ratio (.. or near as I can tell.. lol). > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435848#435848 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:03 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Pietenpol From: "William Wynne" Brian, Great photos, especially of the man himself. I have never met him in person, but he corresponded with many people, and in the late 1980s and early 1990s he wrote short bits and sent photos in to the Buckeye and international newsletters. When I first started working with Corvairs, he was one of the few people writing about what he was up to. His Corvair/Scout snow photo is popular, it has been on our old site for 15 years, it is the 2nd one down at this link: http://www.flycorvair.com/planes.html Mr. Karren wrote about flying in UT, often mentioned that his field elevation was something like 7,000' Nice to see that he is still out there and his work is in good condition. -ww. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435872#435872 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 09:44:05 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help! From: "rkirk77" I am also using 1/4" nails.. and I am keeping them in. :) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435873#435873 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:46 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford From: "tools" Keep in mind all my stuff came off a scrap truck. Some restored to original, most is reasonable, some barely working and some pure yard art. I spend my time showing folks idiosyncrasies of tools, looking for tooling amongst the clutter, fixing neglected stuff and drinking! I invite as many mentors as I can, but it's very much a what YOU make of it event. Come with a project, help someone else, just watch, doesn't matter. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435875#435875 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:03 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help! From: Marcus Zechini My Resorcinal pretty ugly....dang, I guess I can't steam clean those spots! On Dec 18, 2014 12:46 PM, "Jack Phillips" wrote: > jack@bedfordlandings.com> > > That's one reason T-88 isn't approved by the FAA for repair work on > certificated airplanes. As far as I know, the only glue approved by the > FAA > is Resorcinol. Resorcinol meets a Mil Spec that requires, among other > things, being able to be immersed in boiling water for 24 hours with no > loss > of strength. That's very handy to know, if you ever plan to boil your > airplane. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > glenschweizer@yahoo.com > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 12:37 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help! > > > The subject once again is T-88. Good stuff. One concern is thermal > resistance. Try this. Then tell me what you think: glue a piece of 1.5mm > ply to a piece of wood let it cure. Use your covering iron to get the ply > just slightly too hot to touch. The ply will peel off like a post it note. > With thousands of planes being built using T-88, obviously it works, but > should this be a concern? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 18, 2014, at 7:50 AM, "rkirk77" wrote: > > > > > > Hi Tools, > > > > Yes, I am using T-88 Epoxy and mixing it at a 1:1 ratio (.. or near as I > can tell.. lol). > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435848#435848 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help! From: "tools" Unbelievably, casein glue is also legal on some planes... Is the heat thing a concern? I just REALLY don't know. Boat builders sure put the screws to the stuff, is that comforting? Again... I'm not so sure the reason epoxy isn't legal isn't the same reason casein is. As in the case of the l-5. Pretty sure there isn't an ad requiring you to make sure microbes haven't eaten your glue. That airplane is totally dependent on glue in the wings, doesn't even have anti drag wires, rather plywood shear panels. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435877#435877 ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford From: Jack Tools please mention the dates and your location again. We may be coming back from Florida about then... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Dec 18, 2014, at 11:50 AM, "tools" wrote: > > > Keep in mind all my stuff came off a scrap truck. Some restored to original, most is reasonable, some barely working and some pure yard art. I spend my time showing folks idiosyncrasies of tools, looking for tooling amongst the clutter, fixing neglected stuff and drinking! > > I invite as many mentors as I can, but it's very much a what YOU make of it event. Come with a project, help someone else, just watch, doesn't matter. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435875#435875 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 10:19:28 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help! From: "namrednos" I just finished my 30th rib, (so you know I have not tested my Piet). The way I test is to take each Popsicles stick that I applied that batch with and apply it together with a scrap piece of plywood. After two days I tear them apart. I make sure the joint tears apart with wood fiber, not at the glue joint. -------- Scott Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435880#435880 ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:21 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford From: "tools" Would be great to have you! Feb 26 to mar 1. Always welcome by anytime though. I may or may not be there, but someone will. Chickamauga ga, just south of chatt tn. Closest interstate exit, battlefield parkway off I-75, last exit in ga. Or the Trenton exit off I-59. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435881#435881 ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:13 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: a little more about the all metal Piet builder He appears to be from Istanbul, Turkey. http://atolyecoptenadam.com [cid:image001.png@01D01AC8.75E44560] ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:04 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: T-88 in the heat Glen, I used T-88 for every glue joint in my Pietenpol and I have had it out in the sun on 90, 95, and 97F days and flown it on those days with bumpy turbulence and nothing fell apart due to T-88 softening so I would say ignore any thoughts or worries about using T-88 from that standpoint. Should this be a concern? No. You have bigger fish to fry. Merry Christmas! Mike C. ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:43 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: all metal Pietenpol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AubJnqouy78 28 second video. I know about as much about this project as you. Mike C. Ohio Oh yes.....and their human-powered helicopter too.....35 seconds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDoyZAfDAYw ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 11:14:42 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help! From: "geraldmorrissey" I built some Smith Termite ribs back in 1968. They have been hanging in various places in all kind of temperature and humidity conditions unvarnished ever since. Last year I tested one to destruction and the wood broke before the glue bond. The glue was Weldwood Plastic Resin. I've built a lot of stuff with T-88 but still love the plastic resin the best. Mix with water, fool proof. Cheers Gerry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435886#435886 ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 01:18:57 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: all metal Pietenpol From: "AircamperN11MS" Good stuff Mike. That helicopter would have VERY SHORT flights if I was to power it. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435893#435893 ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid From: "AircamperN11MS" Glen, I think it is a great idea. So what if it is slow. So is my Piet. :) Biplanes are cool. We need variety and Pietenpol's seem to offer more variety than any other homebuilt I can think of. Like Mike C says, "They are all snowflakes". I can't wait to see it. Cheers and happy building, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435894#435894 ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:21 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Winter Flying! Beautiful! This may be considered torture! How much down pitch do you have o n your engine mount? Thanks, Ray Krause Building Sky Scout Sent from my iPad > On Dec 18, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Barry Davis wrote: > > Dang it was cold last Saturday, but hey.somebody=99s gotta d o it. > Barry Davis > NX973BP > > > ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:13 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford From: "aerocarjake" Con llll gratula llll tions -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435903#435903 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.