---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/21/14: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:35 AM - Re: making progress on Sky Scout (Riegerb) 2. 11:35 AM - The Jeep powered pietenpol, Testing a front mounted radiator (aviken) 3. 11:59 AM - Re: The Jeep powered pietenpol, Testing a front mounted radiator (Jeff Boatright) 4. 12:05 PM - Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford (edwoerle) 5. 12:16 PM - Re: Re: making progress on Sky Scout (CatDesigns) 6. 12:27 PM - Re: The Jeep powered pietenpol, Testing a front mounted radiator (aviken) 7. 12:33 PM - Re: The Jeep powered pietenpol, Testing a front mounted radiator (Jeff Boatright) 8. 12:39 PM - Re: Re: making progress on Sky Scout (Ray Krause) 9. 12:46 PM - Re: Re: making progress on Sky Scout (Ray Krause) 10. 12:49 PM - Re: The Jeep powered pietenpol, Testing a front mounted radiator (Ray Krause) 11. 01:20 PM - Re: Re: The Jeep powered pietenpol, Testing a front mounted radiator (Gary Boothe) 12. 02:36 PM - Re: Vi Kapler hinges (taildrags) 13. 03:19 PM - Re: The Jeep powered pietenpol, Testing a front mounted radiator (aviken) 14. 03:26 PM - Re: Wing rib help! (dgaldrich) 15. 05:08 PM - Re: making progress on Sky Scout (taildrags) 16. 06:11 PM - Re: Re: Vi Kapler hinges (Ray Krause) 17. 06:29 PM - Re: Re: making progress on Sky Scout (Ray Krause) 18. 06:50 PM - Re: Re: making progress on Sky Scout (Ray Krause) 19. 07:03 PM - Re: Vi Kapler hinges (Steven Dortch) 20. 07:10 PM - Re: Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid (glenschweizer@yahoo.com) 21. 07:15 PM - Re: Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid (glenschweizer@yahoo.com) 22. 08:27 PM - Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid (taildrags) 23. 10:28 PM - Re: making progress on Sky Scout (aerocarjake) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:35:52 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: making progress on Sky Scout From: "Riegerb" Looks great Ray! -------- riegerpietenpol.tumblr.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435961#435961 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:35:15 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Jeep powered pietenpol, Testing a front mounted radiator From: "aviken" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtNecdtPPSM I hope this url will lead you to my new video of my Jeep powered pietenpol. I am testing a new carburetor, and a new radiator set up in the front of the engine. I have mounted a Honda Goldwing radiator in front and it seems to be working ok. After warm up to max temp, the temp gauge showed 190 degrees at an idle. When I increased the rpm to about half throttle the temp decreased to 180 which seems to me a positive sign. As before my computer skills are pretty thin so if this link does not work, just go to Kenny crider and scroll down the list of videos to jeepenpol test run. Thanks. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435962#435962 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:59:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The Jeep powered pietenpol, Testing a front mounted radiator From: "Jeff Boatright" Looks and sounds great, Kenny! Did you get a fish scale run in? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435963#435963 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:05:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford From: "edwoerle" When I went to work for Delta we were flying ship 201, the first DC9 in service (DC9-14), When I left 17 years later we were still flying it. Couple years later it was sold to, I believe, Republic, then Atlanta. Don't know if it's still around. As all you Northworst guys know, Republic was later folded into Northwest. Geez, I must be getting old, remembering ancient history like that. -------- Just east of Graceland Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435964#435964 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:43 PM PST US From: "CatDesigns" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: making progress on Sky Scout Ray Here is an Air Camper with the exposed wire above the fabric. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Walt%20Bowe/images/IMG_1069.JPG It seems to have flown just fine. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Walt%20Bowe/images/IMG_0144.JPG I wouldn=99t worry about yours. Chris Sacramento, CA WestcoastPiet.com From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 1:35 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: making progress on Sky Scout Oscar, The plans for the Scout call for 3/32" cable for all the cross bracing on the Scout and solid 14G wire for the tail, where I used 1/6" cable. I have the AirCamper plans, but could not find the call-out for the wing cables to make a comparison. As an engineer, do you think 3/32" is enough? You certainly have a good eye. Did you notice the idler cable for the ailerons above the fabric on the wing? Kind of neat, maybe it will work as a VG thingy in some way! Hope it does not interfere with the lift, probably not much to spare! I assume Bernard test flew it and obviously survived. Thanks for the comments. Ray Sent from my iPad On Dec 20, 2014, at 12:28 PM, Charles N. 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It ran very smoothly and the radiator worked great, but I may have to keep searching for the right carb. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435966#435966 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:33:33 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The Jeep powered pietenpol, Testing a front mounted radiator From: "Jeff Boatright" Good luck with the search and development. Dinking around with carbs is fun right to the second that it's not. But when it's correct, smooth and maximum power, boy is it worth it. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435967#435967 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:39:49 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: making progress on Sky Scout Brian, Thanks. When will you be in Davis? Maybe we can get together again. Ray Sent from my iPad > On Dec 21, 2014, at 10:35 AM, Riegerb wrote: > > > Looks great Ray! > > -------- > riegerpietenpol.tumblr.com > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435961#435961 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:46:55 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: making progress on Sky Scout Thanks, Chris. I'm not really worried about it, just interested in it since this design cam e after the AirCamper. Was it just a test, or catering to whiners who wanted cheap and easy? I have the 146 photos that Jake took of the Sky Scout in th e museum outside Seattle. There are really great pictures of this feature. I will get them to you as soon as I transfer them to my computer. They would b e great on the Westcoastpiet site. It's all fun and games, it just makes me wonder. Ray Sent from my iPad > On Dec 21, 2014, at 12:16 PM, CatDesigns wrote: > > Ray > > Here is an Air Camper with the exposed wire above the fabric. > > http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Walt%20Bowe/images/IMG_1069.JPG > > It seems to have flown just fine. > > http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Walt%20Bowe/images/IMG_0144.JPG > > I wouldn=99t worry about yours. > > Chris > Sacramento, CA > WestcoastPiet.com > > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 1:35 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: making progress on Sky Scout > > Oscar, > > The plans for the Scout call for 3/32" cable for all the cross bracing on t he Scout and solid 14G wire for the tail, where I used 1/6" cable. I have th e AirCamper plans, but could not find the call-out for the wing cables to ma ke a comparison. As an engineer, do you think 3/32" is enough? > > You certainly have a good eye. Did you notice the idler cable for the aile rons above the fabric on the wing? Kind of neat, maybe it will work as a VG t hingy in some way! Hope it does not interfere with the lift, probably not mu ch to spare! I assume Bernard test flew it and obviously survived. > > Thanks for the comments. > > Ray > > Sent from my iPad > > On Dec 20, 2014, at 12:28 PM, Charles N. Campbell wrote: > > Oscar, my plans call for 3/32 wire for the wing x-brace cables. Chuck > > On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 12:55 PM, taildrags wrote: > > Ray; she's a beauty! Coming together nicely. Question: what diameter are the wing X-brace cables on the airplane? 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How might the radiator work below the engine? Good research and development for those who might follow. Thanks for doing it, Ray Sent from my iPad > On Dec 21, 2014, at 11:34 AM, aviken wrote: > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtNecdtPPSM I hope this url will lead you to my new video of my Jeep powered pietenpol. I am testing a new carburetor, and a new radiator set up in the front of the engine. I have mounted a Honda Goldwing radiator in front and it seems to be working ok. After warm up to max temp, the temp gauge showed 190 degrees at an idle. When I increased the rpm to about half throttle the temp decreased to 180 which seems to me a positive sign. > As before my computer skills are pretty thin so if this link does not work, just go to Kenny crider and scroll down the list of videos to jeepenpol test run. Thanks. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435962#435962 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:20:39 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: The Jeep powered pietenpol, Testing a front mounted radiator Kenny, How do you know that your prop is right? Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of aviken Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 12:27 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The Jeep powered pietenpol, Testing a front mounted radiator Hi Jeff... yes I was disappointed in the new carburetor, I was 300 rpms short and about 50 lbs less on the scales. It ran very smoothly and the radiator worked great, but I may have to keep searching for the right carb. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435966#435966 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:36:05 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vi Kapler hinges From: "taildrags" I just completed the load test of the latest batch of hinges and am happy to report that they have met or exceeded the strength of the earlier ones that Vi tested. The test sample that Vi sent me had broken at 700 lbs and mine was loaded to over 900 lbs and it never broke. For anyone who is interested, details of my load testing are at http://www.flysquirrel.net/loadtest.html . -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435974#435974 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:49 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The Jeep powered pietenpol, Testing a front mounted radiator From: "aviken" I don't know how to tell when you have the perfect match prop without trying as many different combinations as possible. I probably will build another one when I have time, maybe a little longer and a tad more pitch. When I used the previous carb, I was getting 2300 rpm and 225 lb on the fish scales, Now I'm getting 2000 and 180 lbs. so the carb is a big part of the picture. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435977#435977 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:30 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help! From: "dgaldrich" My error... The glue in Douwe's wing was plastic resin, not casien as originally stated. It appeared that the tail feathers were assembled using the same stuff but those joints were MUCH stronger. At the time, we suspected that it was used correctly on them and not on the ribs. The latest version of 43-13 says that urea-formeldehyde glues are only used with specific, case by case, FAA approval. AS&S no longer carries it. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435979#435979 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:25 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: making progress on Sky Scout From: "taildrags" Ray; if the plans call for 3/32" for the wing strut x-brace cables, then far be it from me to second-guess the adequacy of it. Don't change a thing. FWIW, many standard catalog listings for galvanized 7x19 cable show a breaking strength of 1000 lbs. for 3/32" and 2000 lbs. for 1/8". -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435984#435984 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:24 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vi Kapler hinges Thanks, Oscar. I am the proud user of a set of Vi's hinges. I will never worry about hinge failure! Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Dec 21, 2014, at 2:35 PM, taildrags wrote: > > > I just completed the load test of the latest batch of hinges and am happy to report that they have met or exceeded the strength of the earlier ones that Vi tested. The test sample that Vi sent me had broken at 700 lbs and mine was loaded to over 900 lbs and it never broke. For anyone who is interested, details of my load testing are at http://www.flysquirrel.net/loadtest.html . > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435974#435974 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:21 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: making progress on Sky Scout Thanks, Oscar. I will go with the plans and fly straight and level, only in good weather! Ray Sent from my iPad > On Dec 21, 2014, at 5:07 PM, taildrags wrote: > > > Ray; if the plans call for 3/32" for the wing strut x-brace cables, then far be it from me to second-guess the adequacy of it. Don't change a thing. FWIW, many standard catalog listings for galvanized 7x19 cable show a breaking strength of 1000 lbs. for 3/32" and 2000 lbs. for 1/8". > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435984#435984 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:01 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: making progress on Sky Scout Jack, I hate to admit it, but I bet you will be right! Thanks, Ray Sent from my iPad > On Dec 20, 2014, at 5:45 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: > > > Looking good, Ray! If my experience is any indication, you should have it > flying in about a year from now. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 10:30 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: making progress on Sky Scout > > Hi everyone, > > The last week has been productive and I have my plane all together and > rigged. I have the covering material and will start after the New Year. Just > a couple pictures, if I can add them. > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:20 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Vi Kapler hinges From: Steven Dortch On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 7:18 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > Update on the latest batch of hinges. I finished up a representative pair > of hinges for load testing and rigged up the load testing jig, but ran out > of daylight before I could run the test. I want to make sure everything is > set up properly and can be photographed and documented before I run the > test. It's really not anything fancy or esoteric... a lever arm gives me > the leverage to develop the required load on the hinges by using a 5 gallon > pail that I'm going to fill with wet sand and then weigh after breakage. > The last set that Vi tested failed at about 700 lbs of static load; no > fatigue testing was done and we know that aluminum fatigues but to my > knowledge there is no known or reported failure of these hinges and there > are a lot of them out there. > > We expect the single-tab hinge half to be the part that fails since the > mating double-tab half has twice as much area to carry its load and the AN3 > clevis pin is WAY stronger in shear than the cast aluminum hinge halves are > in tension. In Vi's test the single-tab hinge half broke right across the > hinge pin axis. I suppose one other possible failure mode is "pull-out", > where the pull of the hinge pin against the top of the tab causes it to > break and the pin pulls through. My load test should go quickly. > > I have now used all of the (simple) tools and jigging that Vi used to make > the parts in years past, and now that he's gone I look at each tool a > little bit differently than I did before. His hands were the last ones to > touch the tools and jigs before I touched them today. I wish I could have > gotten the first set of hinges completed before he died so I could have > told him about it, but I came pretty close. > > The first set of hinges from this new run has been promised for a long > time to Bob Coolbaugh and Andrew King for the restoration of "Blitzkrieg", > with nine other builders' names on the list after them. When they are > available and ready to ship, I'll post that information here. > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power, Culver prop > > > * > > > * > > Oscar, Just a reminder, After those who need them to complete their builds get what they need, I am willing to buy a set to put on the shelf, for potential future projects. One of my goals in life it to be the old man who has a lot of strange and unrelated aircraft parts available. You know the guy who has 2 B25 compasses and a BT13 oil tank in the back corner under a Curtiss P-40 elevator. Blue Skies, Steve D -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid From: glenschweizer@yahoo.com I'd like to thank everyone for all the positive input. I had considered a Staaken Flitzer. I even went as far as purchasing plans. After studying that short coupled, high landing speed little go cart of an airplane, I thought it was probably more airplane than I am a pilot. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 18, 2014, at 1:30 PM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > > Glen, > > I think it is a great idea. So what if it is slow. So is my Piet. :) Biplanes are cool. We need variety and Pietenpol's seem to offer more variety than any other homebuilt I can think of. Like Mike C says, "They are all snowflakes". I can't wait to see it. > > Cheers and happy building, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435894#435894 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:41 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid From: glenschweizer@yahoo.com I thought it would be a great way to become a colorful ball of rags and sticks on the side of the runway. Yes it has to be a biplane. But one that's house broken, not one that's a spring colt. I'll be starting the Aeriel build in January. I'll keep you updated. Thanks again for all the support. (Damn that's a lot of ribs!!) Glen Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 21, 2014, at 7:09 PM, glenschweizer@yahoo.com wrote: > > I'd like to thank everyone for all the positive input. I had considered a Staaken Flitzer. I even went as far as purchasing plans. After studying that short coupled, high landing speed little go cart of an airplane, I thought it was probably more airplane than I am a pilot. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 18, 2014, at 1:30 PM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: >> >> >> Glen, >> >> I think it is a great idea. So what if it is slow. So is my Piet. :) Biplanes are cool. We need variety and Pietenpol's seem to offer more variety than any other homebuilt I can think of. Like Mike C says, "They are all snowflakes". I can't wait to see it. >> >> Cheers and happy building, >> >> -------- >> Scott Liefeld >> Flying N11MS since March 1972 >> Steel Tube >> C-85-12 >> Wire Wheels >> Brodhead in 1996 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435894#435894 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:34 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid From: "taildrags" Glen; I have a few pictures of the Ariel project that I bought out of Santa Fe a few years ago, and although they don't show much more than a mock-up of the fuselage, gear, and wings, perhaps it might be useful to you to see pictures as you get into your build. I might also have a picture of the ENMA Tigre powered Ariel that was under construction in Missouri awhile back. Also, I still have the beautiful set of welded-leg, split-axle spoked-wheel landing gear that was built for it. As near as I can tell, it is exactly the same as the standard Air Camper gear, same fuselage width, same mounting brackets and bungee shock struts. I would be happy to lend the gear to you for trial fitting, getting dimensions off of, and (perhaps best of all), getting your fuselage up off the building table and able to roll around. The fuselage build should go quickly for you. I also have an unairworthy Scott 2000 tailwheel that can go on the back of it to permit you to move it around the hangar or workshop, and you're welcome to that as well. Let me know where on the coast you're located. I get up to Salem once a month if that's any help. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435994#435994 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: making progress on Sky Scout From: "aerocarjake" Ray, looks beautiful, really beautiful...! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435995#435995 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.