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1. 03:01 AM - Re: Painting metal brackets (bubbleboy)
2. 11:14 AM - Re: Re: Sheet metal from Aviation department (Steven Dortch)
3. 12:00 PM - Re: Re: Painting metal brackets (THOMAS.233327)
4. 03:33 PM - Front shoulder harness attachments. (Steven Dortch)
5. 03:46 PM - Re: Front shoulder harness attachments. (Andre B. Charvet)
6. 04:00 PM - Re: Front shoulder harness attachments. (Scott Knowlton)
7. 06:28 PM - Re: Front shoulder harness attachments. (Steven Dortch)
8. 06:43 PM - Re: Front shoulder harness attachments. (Ken Bickers)
9. 07:12 PM - Re: Front shoulder harness attachments. (Steven Dortch)
10. 07:48 PM - Re: Front shoulder harness attachments. (Ken Bickers)
11. 07:55 PM - Re: Sheet metal from Aviation department (taildrags)
12. 08:05 PM - Re: Front shoulder harness attachments. (taildrags)
13. 08:32 PM - Re: Front shoulder harness attachments. (taildrags)
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Subject: | Re: Painting metal brackets |
This is seriously cool! I had no idea you could do this at home. I need to see
what we have here in Aussie!
Scotty
--------
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Fuslage now on its undercarriage! About to start wing spars...Corvair engine at
Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436779#436779
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Subject: | Re: Sheet metal from Aviation department |
Roger, Oscar, I did put breaks on the port and starboard sides. Lew laughed
at me, I bent them out and not in, but he said it made not big differece
and to keep building..
I will look at bending it on the leading and training edges as well. It
adds no weight (weight is the enemy) and will strengthen the structure
significantly.
Also the photo does not show all the screws put in the panel, just the
corners. There are 6 screws on the leading side and I may add two more.
(but screws add weight and disturb aerodynamics.)
Blue skies,
Steve D
Trying to keep from
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 11:03 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Steve;
>
> Not to tell a ground-pounder like yourself what to do (I hold no rank
> whatsoever), but if you ever so slightly break the edges of the metal
> panels, they will fit tighter to the fabric around the edges. I think the
> EAA chapter 35 has sheet metal brakes in the chapter hangar, but if you're
> careful and patient you can also do it with hand-held seaming pliers by
> marking a break line and then working your way down the panel along the
> line till you have a smooth, even break. I also recommend that you fasten
> the leading edge of the access panel lest the high Mach speeds pull it away
> from the airplane. Or maybe if you add a slight break to the leading edge
> of the panel, it will hug the fabric and prevent the slipstream from
> getting under the metal and flapping it.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436771#436771
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Subject: | Re: Painting metal brackets |
Great idea for an oven. I'll be using it! Thank you!
Tom Hale
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 2:06:49 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Painting metal brackets
This oven works great for struts control tubes etc...
Jack Textor
West Des Moines, IA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bdewenter
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 3:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Painting metal brackets
I agree with jack on powder coat. Super easy. Super tough. I bought the
largest toaster oven I could find. Used for cylinders, ring gear, fittings
etc. Eastwood sprayer kit.
--------
Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
Dayton OH
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436754#436754
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Subject: | Front shoulder harness attachments. |
I asked this before and received a lot of great answers. How have y'all
attached your front shoulder harnesses?
>From the ideas offered, I selected Oscar Z's attachment on Scout. However,
I cannot find the photo he sent me.
The idea is to attach the shoulder harnesses where the wires cross between
the Pilot and the passenger. Oscar built a wood block that spread out the
strain.
My seatbelts have a metal attachment that is about 2.5 inches long and is
right behind the passenger's head. I fear that it will be bumping the
passenger in the back of the head. Any problems with this?
I hate to be redundant and repetitive.
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Subject: | Re: Front shoulder harness attachments. |
I built a thin walled steel arch to avoid spinal compression in a high G sto
ppage. It connects to the aft cabane attach point and it is braced to a seco
nd attach point with two turn buckles. I copied several in incorporated what
I thought was the best of each. I am using individual shoulder harnesses w
hich will attach to the arch. A couple 'o pics..... It's very light:
Scott K.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 8, 2015, at 6:39 PM, "Steven Dortch" <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com> wr
ote:
>
> I asked this before and received a lot of great answers. How have y'all at
tached your front shoulder harnesses?
>
> =46rom the ideas offered, I selected Oscar Z's attachment on Scout. Howeve
r, I cannot find the photo he sent me.
>
> The idea is to attach the shoulder harnesses where the wires cross between
the Pilot and the passenger. Oscar built a wood block that spread out the s
train.
>
> My seatbelts have a metal attachment that is about 2.5 inches long and is r
ight behind the passenger's head. I fear that it will be bumping the passeng
er in the back of the head. Any problems with this?
>
> I hate to be redundant and repetitive.
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Front shoulder harness attachments. |
Ben, I like your solution, but I am doing a restoration and using your
solution would take a big rebuild.
I may go back and build it up your way after I get it flying.
Thanks. Great looking plane by the way.
Steve D
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Andre B. Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>
wrote:
> There is a good picture of my solution on the Westcoastpiet site
> Ben Charvet
>
>
> Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com> wrote:
> I asked this before and received a lot of great answers. How have y'all
> attached your front shoulder harnesses?
>
> From the ideas offered, I selected Oscar Z's attachment on Scout. However,
> I cannot find the photo he sent me.
>
> The idea is to attach the shoulder harnesses where the wires cross between
> the Pilot and the passenger. Oscar built a wood block that spread out the
> strain.
>
> My seatbelts have a metal attachment that is about 2.5 inches long and is
> right behind the passenger's head. I fear that it will be bumping the
> passenger in the back of the head. Any problems with this?
>
> I hate to be redundant and repetitive.
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Subject: | Re: Front shoulder harness attachments. |
Steve, I plagiarized shamelessly from Oscar's setup for the front shoulder
harness. Here are two pictures of how I did mine. Cheers, Ken
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Ben, I like your solution, but I am doing a restoration and using your
> solution would take a big rebuild.
>
> I may go back and build it up your way after I get it flying.
>
> Thanks. Great looking plane by the way.
>
> Steve D
>
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Andre B. Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> There is a good picture of my solution on the Westcoastpiet site
>> Ben Charvet
>>
>>
>> Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I asked this before and received a lot of great answers. How have y'all
>> attached your front shoulder harnesses?
>>
>> From the ideas offered, I selected Oscar Z's attachment on Scout.
>> However, I cannot find the photo he sent me.
>>
>> The idea is to attach the shoulder harnesses where the wires cross
>> between the Pilot and the passenger. Oscar built a wood block that spread
>> out the strain.
>>
>> My seatbelts have a metal attachment that is about 2.5 inches long and is
>> right behind the passenger's head. I fear that it will be bumping the
>> passenger in the back of the head. Any problems with this?
>>
>> I hate to be redundant and repetitive.
>>
>> --
>> Blue Skies,
>> Steve D
>>
>> *
>>
>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com>
>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks.com>
>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com>
>> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com>
>> ank">www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com>
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
>> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Front shoulder harness attachments. |
Ken, That is the plagiarism I was looking for!. At some later date I may
build up some structure like Ben and Scott made. Their structure looks
sturdy and is at the perfect level.
But right now I want to get my plane flying and I think this will provide
sufficient strength for the shoulder harness.
Many thanks,
Now I am going to save these photos.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 8:42 PM, Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com> wrote:
> Steve, I plagiarized shamelessly from Oscar's setup for the front shoulder
> harness. Here are two pictures of how I did mine. Cheers, Ken
>
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Ben, I like your solution, but I am doing a restoration and using your
>> solution would take a big rebuild.
>>
>> I may go back and build it up your way after I get it flying.
>>
>> Thanks. Great looking plane by the way.
>>
>> Steve D
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Andre B. Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There is a good picture of my solution on the Westcoastpiet site
>>> Ben Charvet
>>>
>>>
>>> Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I asked this before and received a lot of great answers. How have y'all
>>> attached your front shoulder harnesses?
>>>
>>> From the ideas offered, I selected Oscar Z's attachment on Scout.
>>> However, I cannot find the photo he sent me.
>>>
>>> The idea is to attach the shoulder harnesses where the wires cross
>>> between the Pilot and the passenger. Oscar built a wood block that spread
>>> out the strain.
>>>
>>> My seatbelts have a metal attachment that is about 2.5 inches long and
>>> is right behind the passenger's head. I fear that it will be bumping the
>>> passenger in the back of the head. Any problems with this?
>>>
>>> I hate to be redundant and repetitive.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Blue Skies,
>>> Steve D
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com>
>>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks.com>
>>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com>
>>> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com>
>>> ank">www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com>
>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
>>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
>>> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Blue Skies,
>> Steve D
>>
>> *
>>
>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com>
>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks.com>
>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com>
>> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com>
>> ank">www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com>
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
>> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Subject: | Re: Front shoulder harness attachments. |
Steve, if Oscar is to be believed (I'll let you ponder that "if"), the
primary purpose of the shoulder harness puck is to serve as the sight gauge
when diving out of the sun onto the unsuspecting hun. Any sturdiness for
keeping an observer from falling out during the subsequent dog fight is
purely ancillary. Ken
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Ken, That is the plagiarism I was looking for!. At some later date I may
> build up some structure like Ben and Scott made. Their structure looks
> sturdy and is at the perfect level.
>
> But right now I want to get my plane flying and I think this will provide
> sufficient strength for the shoulder harness.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Now I am going to save these photos.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 8:42 PM, Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Steve, I plagiarized shamelessly from Oscar's setup for the front
>> shoulder harness. Here are two pictures of how I did mine. Cheers, Ken
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ben, I like your solution, but I am doing a restoration and using your
>>> solution would take a big rebuild.
>>>
>>> I may go back and build it up your way after I get it flying.
>>>
>>> Thanks. Great looking plane by the way.
>>>
>>> Steve D
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Andre B. Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There is a good picture of my solution on the Westcoastpiet site
>>>> Ben Charvet
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I asked this before and received a lot of great answers. How have y'all
>>>> attached your front shoulder harnesses?
>>>>
>>>> From the ideas offered, I selected Oscar Z's attachment on Scout.
>>>> However, I cannot find the photo he sent me.
>>>>
>>>> The idea is to attach the shoulder harnesses where the wires cross
>>>> between the Pilot and the passenger. Oscar built a wood block that spread
>>>> out the strain.
>>>>
>>>> My seatbelts have a metal attachment that is about 2.5 inches long and
>>>> is right behind the passenger's head. I fear that it will be bumping the
>>>> passenger in the back of the head. Any problems with this?
>>>>
>>>> I hate to be redundant and repetitive.
>>>>
>>>> --
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Subject: | Re: Sheet metal from Aviation department |
Steve;
The breaks I'm talking about are not 'hard' bends at all... just slight bends.
They do stiffen the edges a bit, but they also keep the edges straighter and
they hold the edge of the metal against the fabric.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: Front shoulder harness attachments. |
Steve;
Don't build yours the way Ken did... his is far, far too heavy! He has an extra
pair of bolts there that will most likely nudge your gross weight over design
;o) Mine just uses the U-bolt and is even lighter due to the notch that I cut
in it. Anyway, I put the pictures and narrative on a webpage back when I did
it, here:
http://flysquirrel.net/piets/harness.html
If you notice in one of the lower photos where the harness is clipped onto the
attach point, it sits well behind the passenger's head. I've flown front cockpit
in Scout quite a bit myself, and never noticed it was there.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: Front shoulder harness attachments. |
By the way, and this is not related to the shoulder harness and I only offer it
because the list has been a bit slow lately, observant eyes may notice a few
things in the last photo on my webpage showing the harness attach point. That
photo was taken in the far corner of the big hangar at Zapata County, Texas municipal
airport right after the airplane went over on its back. The streaks
of stuff on the underside of the flop panel are blood from Charlie Avaritt's forehead,
which got cut open by the ignition key in the mag switch on the instrument
panel in the sudden stop. When the airplane lay on its back and Charlie
worked to get free of the harness, blood dripped freely onto the flop. I wasn't
there, but I can imagine what a mess Charlie looked like as he stood by the
airplane dusting himself off and wondering what to do next as he mopped his
bloody forehead. Also visible in the photo is the broken leading edge of the
vertical stabilizer, which broke when the tip of the stabilizer hit the ground
as the airplane came to rest inverted.
Although seeing my broken airplane sitting in that hangar was one of the least
pleasant moments of my life, I can unhesitatingly say that the repairs and rebuilding
effort that followed the nose-over were some of the most educational and
interesting times that I've ever had in aviation and I may have learned as
much about the airplane in those two years than either of the two men who built
it (Joe Czaplicki and Corky Corbett) know about it. Priceless information,
learned the hard way, but that's how we learn best and it really drew me closer
to my airplane. Those of you who have had to repair damage or rebuild after
a loss can relate, I'm sure. Mine was nothing like the "Pietenpile" after that
windstorm at Sun n Fun a few years ago, but even a scraped wingtip or a bent
gear leg can bring that awful feeling in the pit of your stomach as you see
the slack brace wires, broken welds, tattered fabric, or splintered wood. The
trick is to get up, dust off, and get busy rebuilding.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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