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1. 07:41 AM - Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Douwe Blumberg)
2. 07:54 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Marcus Zechini)
3. 08:13 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (TriScout)
4. 08:28 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (John Hofmann)
5. 08:29 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Charles N. Campbell)
6. 08:31 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Scott Knowlton)
7. 08:33 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Steven Dortch)
8. 08:40 AM - Re: Corvair College 32 - San Marcos Texas (Steven Dortch)
9. 08:50 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Charles N. Campbell)
10. 08:50 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Gary Boothe)
11. 08:54 AM - Re: Corvair College 32 - San Marcos Texas (Charles N. Campbell)
12. 09:06 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Steven Dortch)
13. 09:21 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (JERRY)
14. 09:34 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
15. 10:21 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Jeff Boatright)
16. 10:46 AM - Re: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Steven Dortch)
17. 11:21 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Jack Philips)
18. 12:07 PM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (AircamperN11MS)
19. 12:23 PM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Charles N. Campbell)
20. 12:31 PM - Re: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Charles N. Campbell)
21. 12:35 PM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (dog67@aol.com)
22. 01:03 PM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (THOMAS.233327)
23. 01:34 PM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Peter Johnson)
24. 01:44 PM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (G Hansen)
25. 02:19 PM - Two plans questions (Pocono John)
26. 04:24 PM - Re: Two plans questions (echobravo4)
27. 04:57 PM - Re: Two plans questions (Pocono John)
28. 08:59 PM - Re: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Ray Krause)
29. 09:18 PM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (aerocarjake)
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| Subject: | Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
Hey all (or whomever is still out there.)
Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that since
the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic and
steady "exodus" of participants. I for one am less interested in submitting
thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a great group until
the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite thing about most
mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing of helping me
finish my plane.
And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is it
dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol "mouthpieces"
around anymore which will likely impact an already shrinking following.
Is Brodhead next??!!!
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
Hopefully not! I will put pics on, today, of my front harness, to answer
recent posts. Probably a little late, but need to get to hangar with tablet
.
I bid on an A65 on eBay.... Looks like I may get. Even though I am flying a
GN-1 now....one day, I will build. So, will I have to park far out at
Brodhead. I do plan to be there....and not cheat by flying something else.
On Jan 16, 2015 10:46 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> Hey all (or whomever is still out there)
>
>
> Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that
> since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic
> and steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am less i
nterested in
> submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a great
> group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite
> thing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing
> of helping me finish my plane.
>
>
> And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is i
t
> dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol =9Cmout
hpieces=9D
> around anymore which will likely impact an already shrinking following.
>
>
> Is Brodhead next??!!!
>
>
> Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
Look at it as a GOOD sign! Everyone's busy building Pietenpols :-)
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KLNC
A65-8
N2308C
AN Hardware
Airframe 724TT
W72CK-42 Sensenich
Standard Factory GN-1
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| Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
BPA is still here and thank you for your patience.
Bad news and lame excuses: Been dealing with aging parents, quadriplegic
nephews with no health care and a career change. Time really flies when
life gets in the way.
Good news and moving forward: Career change is good, relatives fairly
stable and three issues are in the works, the first of which will mail
next week. I look to be caught up and and back to normal by mid -
February. Anyone who paid and is owed issues will get them, unlike in
the past. Hopefully that will rekindle some interest and input.
Other good things: I will be at SNF and will have a booth in the type
club tent by the walkway to the antique/classic parking area. I am
trying to get a Pietenpol forum on as well. I will get to visit the guys
in the wood working area and hope to do an article on the volunteer work
they do. An new website is in the works where we will have recent back
issues available to members as a pdf file as well as a forum and a
social network component. A server switch is also going to happen. I
have heard from several people that the BPA email is not working
properly. I will update the email there to this one for now:
jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com.
One thing I will need from many of you is a good email address. When
taking over from Doc and Dee last year I got good postal addresses but
did not get a list of good email addresses. This will be necessary to
get you on the web.
On a sad note: I did not see it mentioned anywhere that Edward Herrmann
passed away last week. Hopefully Ezra Stiles will make that outside loop
with the help of the Big Man.
Finally: This is the 40th Brodhead gathering this year. I am pitching
this in the newsletter out this week about a "Brodhead Cup." It would be
a small air race for Pietenpols. It would have several divisions: A-65,
Model A, Corvair and an "Open" division that would cover all the of
previous divisions and even include GN-1s. It will be a Figure 8 race
with a race horse start (just kidding). Actually I was thinking of
placing a person at the Monroe airport and we could do a timed run from
Brodhead to Monroe and back. This would be for bragging rights and just
plain fun.
Let me know what you think about the race.
-john-
> On Jan 16, 2015, at 9:45 AM, Douwe Blumberg
<douweblumberg@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Hey all (or whomever is still out there)
>
> Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that
since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a
drastic and steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one
am less interested in submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it
was always such a great group until the last couple of years. Reading
the list was my favorite thing about most mornings and a great way to
start the day to say nothing of helping me finish my plane.
>
> And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association)
Is it dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol
=9Cmouthpieces=9D around anymore which will likely impact an
already shrinking following.
>
> Is Brodhead next??!!!
>
> Douwe
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
Douwe, I was thinking the same thing. I thought maybe the Christmas and
New Year's celebrations might have had something to do with the lack of
activity, but I'm beginning to think people are just tired of the list. I
certainly am not tired of it. I have gotten a lot of good information from
the list and hope that it picks up a bit. Chuck
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Douwe Blumberg <
douweblumberg@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hey all (or whomever is still out there)
>
>
> Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that
> since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic
> and steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am less i
nterested in
> submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a great
> group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite
> thing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing
> of helping me finish my plane.
>
>
> And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is i
t
> dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol =9Cmout
hpieces=9D
> around anymore which will likely impact an already shrinking following.
>
>
> Is Brodhead next??!!!
>
>
> Douwe
>
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| Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
Douwe, I think perhaps it is a changing of the guard. Some of the older
guys have dropped off. Some drop off as they finish their planes and some
just get quiet.
As I am getting on the final streach I will be asking a lot more questions.
And you know I always have an opinion.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hopefully not! I will put pics on, today, of my front harness, to answer
> recent posts. Probably a little late, but need to get to hangar with tabl
et.
> I bid on an A65 on eBay.... Looks like I may get. Even though I am flying
> a GN-1 now....one day, I will build. So, will I have to park far out at
> Brodhead. I do plan to be there....and not cheat by flying something else
.
> On Jan 16, 2015 10:46 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hey all (or whomever is still out there)
>>
>>
>>
>> Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that
>> since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drasti
c
>> and steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am less
interested in
>> submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a great
>> group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite
>> thing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothin
g
>> of helping me finish my plane.
>>
>>
>>
>> And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is
>> it dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol
>> =9Cmouthpieces=9D around anymore which will likely impact an
already shrinking
>> following.
>>
>>
>>
>> Is Brodhead next??!!!
>>
>>
>>
>> Douwe
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair College 32 - San Marcos Texas |
Shelley, What if I guy does not have an engine and may just want to attend
to watch. Not sure if I will have the free time but I can always learn
things.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:19 PM, IT Girl <shlizbth@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Builders,
> I wanted to let you all know that registration for Corvair College 32 is
> filling up quickly.
>
> We have room for just 7 more engines, so register now before your
> opportunity is gone.
>
> https://cc32.wufoo.com/forms/cc32-registration/
>
> CC32 is hosted By Kevin Purtee and Shelley Tumino in San Marcos Texas
> 27 February 2015 - 1 March 2015
>
> We really hope to see you there!
>
> Like us on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/CorvairCollege to keep up
> with the latest events.
>
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> Shelley Tumino
> IT Girl
> wife of "Axel"
> NX899KP
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
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Steve D
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Marcus, I think it would take a real expert to tell the difference between
a GN1 and a regular Pietenpol. I originally had a set of GN1 plans and was
planning on building one. In fact, my wing uses the GN1 airfoil -- which
is not a whole lot different from the Piet. I think I read where the GN1
airfoil provides a bit better climb than the Piet. Otherwise, I thought
the GN1 was a bit more complex than the Piet so I gave the set of plans
(minus one of the full-size wing rib drawings) back to the owner who had
lent the plans to me and I ordered a set of Piet plans. I'm just finishing
up the fuselage now (still uncovered). Wings and tail surfaces are all
built and awaiting cover. I will probably put the airplane together
uncovered for an AI inspection. Then I will tear it apart for the covering
and then reassemble it for the FAA inspection. A friend of mine did that
with a little biplane and when the FAA man who flew up from Charlotte in a
C172 took off (after the inspection) to return to CLT my friend took off
right behind him for his first flight. Hope you have good fortune on the
building of the Piet. If I had a GN1 I wouldn't bother building a Piet
unless I just wanted to build something. Keep us aware of the progress.
Chuck
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hopefully not! I will put pics on, today, of my front harness, to answer
> recent posts. Probably a little late, but need to get to hangar with tabl
et.
> I bid on an A65 on eBay.... Looks like I may get. Even though I am flying
> a GN-1 now....one day, I will build. So, will I have to park far out at
> Brodhead. I do plan to be there....and not cheat by flying something else
.
> On Jan 16, 2015 10:46 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hey all (or whomever is still out there)
>>
>>
>>
>> Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that
>> since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drasti
c
>> and steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am less
interested in
>> submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a great
>> group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite
>> thing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothin
g
>> of helping me finish my plane.
>>
>>
>>
>> And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is
>> it dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol
>> =9Cmouthpieces=9D around anymore which will likely impact an
already shrinking
>> following.
>>
>>
>>
>> Is Brodhead next??!!!
>>
>>
>>
>> Douwe
>>
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John,
You are a trooper for taking all this on!
We need bragging rights? Someone should have told me.
Gary Boothe
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Hofmann
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
BPA is still here and thank you for your patience.
Bad news and lame excuses: Been dealing with aging parents, quadriplegic
nephews with no health care and a career change. Time really flies when
life gets in the way.
Good news and moving forward: Career change is good, relatives fairly
stable and three issues are in the works, the first of which will mail
next week. I look to be caught up and and back to normal by mid -
February. Anyone who paid and is owed issues will get them, unlike in
the past. Hopefully that will rekindle some interest and input.
Other good things: I will be at SNF and will have a booth in the type
club tent by the walkway to the antique/classic parking area. I am
trying to get a Pietenpol forum on as well. I will get to visit the guys
in the wood working area and hope to do an article on the volunteer work
they do. An new website is in the works where we will have recent back
issues available to members as a pdf file as well as a forum and a
social network component. A server switch is also going to happen. I
have heard from several people that the BPA email is not working
properly. I will update the email there to this one for now:
jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com.
One thing I will need from many of you is a good email address. When
taking over from Doc and Dee last year I got good postal addresses but
did not get a list of good email addresses. This will be necessary to
get you on the web.
On a sad note: I did not see it mentioned anywhere that Edward Herrmann
passed away last week. Hopefully Ezra Stiles will make that outside loop
with the help of the Big Man.
Finally: This is the 40th Brodhead gathering this year. I am pitching
this in the newsletter out this week about a "Brodhead Cup." It would be
a small air race for Pietenpols. It would have several divisions: A-65,
Model A, Corvair and an "Open" division that would cover all the of
previous divisions and even include GN-1s. It will be a Figure 8 race
with a race horse start (just kidding). Actually I was thinking of
placing a person at the Monroe airport and we could do a timed run from
Brodhead to Monroe and back. This would be for bragging rights and just
plain fun.
Let me know what you think about the race.
-john-
On Jan 16, 2015, at 9:45 AM, Douwe Blumberg
<douweblumberg@earthlink.net> wrote:
Hey all (or whomever is still out there)
Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that
since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a
drastic and steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one
am less interested in submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it
was always such a great group until the last couple of years. Reading
the list was my favorite thing about most mornings and a great way to
start the day to say nothing of helping me finish my plane.
And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is
it dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol
=9Cmouthpieces=9D around anymore which will likely impact an
already shrinking following.
Is Brodhead next??!!!
Douwe
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Steven, at the two colleges I have attended there were lots of people
there, my son included, who didn't have an engine and didn't plan to build
one. It's just a fun three days. I plan to return to Barnwell each year
until I get so old I can't make it. Chuck
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Shelley, What if I guy does not have an engine and may just want to attend
> to watch. Not sure if I will have the free time but I can always learn
> things.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
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>>
>> Hey Builders,
>> I wanted to let you all know that registration for Corvair College 32 is
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>>
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>>
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>> 27 February 2015 - 1 March 2015
>>
>> We really hope to see you there!
>>
>> Like us on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/CorvairCollege to keep
>> up with the latest events.
>>
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Charles, I tell people that I have a PietenGrega. My plane was built
between 1965 and 1973. It has a pure Pietenpol Fuselage with the Grega
setup for Piper Cub landing Gear. The wing is the 3 piece Grega. So on the
Cabanes the top bolt runs front to rear, a la Grega, on the bottom of the
cabanes the bolt runs right to left, a la Pietenpol.
What plans are you using?
Blue Skies,
Steve D.
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Charles N. Campbell <
charlescampbell1924@gmail.com> wrote:
> Marcus, I think it would take a real expert to tell the difference betwee
n
> a GN1 and a regular Pietenpol. I originally had a set of GN1 plans and w
as
> planning on building one. In fact, my wing uses the GN1 airfoil -- which
> is not a whole lot different from the Piet. I think I read where the GN1
> airfoil provides a bit better climb than the Piet. Otherwise, I thought
> the GN1 was a bit more complex than the Piet so I gave the set of plans
> (minus one of the full-size wing rib drawings) back to the owner who had
> lent the plans to me and I ordered a set of Piet plans. I'm just finishi
ng
> up the fuselage now (still uncovered). Wings and tail surfaces are all
> built and awaiting cover. I will probably put the airplane together
> uncovered for an AI inspection. Then I will tear it apart for the coveri
ng
> and then reassemble it for the FAA inspection. A friend of mine did that
> with a little biplane and when the FAA man who flew up from Charlotte in
a
> C172 took off (after the inspection) to return to CLT my friend took off
> right behind him for his first flight. Hope you have good fortune on the
> building of the Piet. If I had a GN1 I wouldn't bother building a Piet
> unless I just wanted to build something. Keep us aware of the progress.
> Chuck
>
> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini@gmail.co
m
> > wrote:
>
>> Hopefully not! I will put pics on, today, of my front harness, to answe
r
>> recent posts. Probably a little late, but need to get to hangar with tab
let.
>> I bid on an A65 on eBay.... Looks like I may get. Even though I am flyin
g
>> a GN-1 now....one day, I will build. So, will I have to park far out a
t
>> Brodhead. I do plan to be there....and not cheat by flying something els
e.
>> On Jan 16, 2015 10:46 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all (or whomever is still out there)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that
>>> since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drast
ic
>>> and steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am less
interested in
>>> submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a grea
t
>>> group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite
>>> thing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothi
ng
>>> of helping me finish my plane.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is
>>> it dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol
>>> =9Cmouthpieces=9D around anymore which will likely impact a
n already shrinking
>>> following.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is Brodhead next??!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Douwe
>>>
>>> *
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I look and read it all the time. Just don=99t post much unless I
have something to add.
Jerry
Sky Classic
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
N. Campbell
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Douwe, I was thinking the same thing. I thought maybe the Christmas and
New Year's celebrations might have had something to do with the lack of
activity, but I'm beginning to think people are just tired of the list.
I certainly am not tired of it. I have gotten a lot of good information
from the list and hope that it picks up a bit. Chuck
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Douwe Blumberg
<douweblumberg@earthlink.net <mailto:douweblumberg@earthlink.net> >
wrote:
Hey all (or whomever is still out there)
Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that
since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a
drastic and steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one
am less interested in submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it
was always such a great group until the last couple of years. Reading
the list was my favorite thing about most mornings and a great way to
start the day to say nothing of helping me finish my plane.
And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is
it dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol
=9Cmouthpieces=9D around anymore which will likely impact an
already shrinking following.
Is Brodhead next??!!!
Douwe
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Like in everything aviation, some have =9Cbought the airport=9D
in the last few years. Maybe many have reached the point where questions a
ren=99t as necessary as before, hopefully. You never really know. I s
till have a lot of questions as I go, so hopefully the list will last.
On a brighter note, the Scrounge Dawg Aviation Pietenpol that EAA chapter
64 of metro St.Louis/Illinois built is flying and has 32 hrs flown off and
we are working on the minor things, like making the tach work, small squaw
ks the inspector found like cable standoffs, etc. We plan to have it at Bro
dhead this year. Hoped to last year but couldn=99t quite get it all d
one in time. Looking forward to it since I blew off a trip to Colorado with
my better half to attend Brodhead.
Dennis
From: Douwe Blumberg
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 9:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Hey all (or whomever is still out there)
Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that sinc
e the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic and s
teady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am less interest
ed in submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a gr
eat group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite
thing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing
of helping me finish my plane.
And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is it
dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol =9Cmouthp
ieces=9D around anymore which will likely impact an already shrinking
following.
Is Brodhead next??!!!
Douwe
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Its time of year and weather for me. Its cold and flu season (I caught the superbug),
weve had many WEEKS of IFR wx. Im gone for the holidays and Im very busy
at the beginning of the semester.
Waaa!
Also, I just bought the attached and it's keeping me busy.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437101#437101
Attachments:
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Jeff, Is that the Aerial version?
Looks like an earlier version Pitts, what HP?
Blue Skies
Steve D
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Jeff Boatright <jeffboatright@emory.edu>
wrote:
> jeffboatright@emory.edu>
>
> It=99s time of year and weather for me. It=99s cold and flu s
eason (I caught
> the superbug), we=99ve had many WEEKS of IFR wx. I=99m gone f
or the holidays
> and I=99m very busy at the beginning of the semester.
>
> Waaa!
>
>
> Also, I just bought the attached and it's keeping me busy.
>
>
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>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437101#437101
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I think there are a number of reasons list traffic is down.
I=99ve been on this list since it started back in about 1997
(after Steve Eldridge got tired of hosting it on his BYU address). In
those days, the internet was fairly new and there were not a lot of
sources for information about Pietenpols. There was the BPA, which in
those days was the Buckeye Pietenpol Association, ostensibly for Ohio
based Piet aficionados, and there was the Matronics list. I belonged to
both and got a lot of good information from both of them. I anxiously
scanned my inbox every day to see what gems awaited me. I also made
many new friends from the list, including Mike Cuy, John Hofmann, Bill
Church, Rob Busch, Glenn Thomas, Matt Paxton and Gene Rambo.
I=99ve made many more friends at Brodhead, such as Kevin Purtee,
Dan Helsper, Jack Textor, Gary Boothe, the list just goes on and on.
I had started my Pietenpol project in early 1996. I finally finished
and flew it in October 2004, a little over 10 years ago. Since that
time I=99ve flown it to Brodhead 5 times, and on to Oshkosh 3
times. I=99ve always enjoyed having it on display at Brodhead,
watching folks take pictures of it and crawl under and over it to see
how I did things. I doubt that I will fly it to Brodhead again. The
route from my home in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia is fairly
rugged until I cross the Ohio River into the Midwest, where the flying
is easy. If I lose the engine over West Virginia, I might survive but
the airplane would not. And even though avgas prices have come down
some, it still costs me close to $1,000 in gas to make the round trip.
But the main reason is that there are a lot of new, well built
Pietenpols, such as Dan Helsper=99s and Douwe=99s and Matt
Paxton=99s and Gene Rambo=99s (if he ever flies his there)
around now that deserve their time in the limelight.
As for the list, it has been a long time now since someone asked a
question that has not been answered countless times in the archives. I
know it=99s not as much fun to search the archives as it is to
just ask the question and wait for the answer, but many of us
=9Cold timers=9D get tired of answering the same questions
over and over. Like Jerry Dotson, I read every post that comes through
on this list =93 I just choose to let someone else answer.
There is so much diversity in Pietenpols and Pietenpol construction that
I=99m beginning to be more like William Wynne and just focus on
the safety aspects. The Pietenpol is an inherently safe design, as long
as it is properly built with good materials and rigged so as to operate
in the proven CG range. I tend these days to not comment too much
unless I see someone doing something that is just unsafe.
But as for the BPA Newsetter, one thing that us =9COld
Guard=9D types can do is write articles on areas of Pietenpol
construction where we have some expertise. I will try to write a couple
about parts of my Pietenpol that are somewhat unique and pass them on to
John Hofmann to ease his burden somewhat.
Remember that building an airplane is a remarkable experience. Airplane
pilots represent less than 0.5% of the population. Pilots who start to
build their own airplanes are only about 10% of the pilot population,
and those that actually FINISH building a plane are probably less than
half of that, so only about 0.025% of the population. You are in a very
unique group!
So keep building, and try to not get too snarky with your comments. One
of the problems with the internet is that some humor simply
doesn=99t come across as well as it does in a live discussion,
with the result that people can get their feelings hurt unintentionally.
With all the problems with this list, it is still the best list
I=99ve seen on the internet, with more true friendships spawned
and more good information shared. Try the RV-10 list if you want to see
one that is dysfunctional.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
N. Campbell
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Douwe, I was thinking the same thing. I thought maybe the Christmas and
New Year's celebrations might have had something to do with the lack of
activity, but I'm beginning to think people are just tired of the list.
I certainly am not tired of it. I have gotten a lot of good information
from the list and hope that it picks up a bit. Chuck
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Douwe Blumberg
<douweblumberg@earthlink.net <mailto:douweblumberg@earthlink.net> >
wrote:
Hey all (or whomever is still out there)
Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that
since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a
drastic and steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one
am less interested in submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it
was always such a great group until the last couple of years. Reading
the list was my favorite thing about most mornings and a great way to
start the day to say nothing of helping me finish my plane.
And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is
it dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol
=9Cmouthpieces=9D around anymore which will likely impact an
already shrinking following.
Is Brodhead next??!!!
Douwe
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Douwe,
I have been reading what little has been posted most every day during the week.
I have even made a few entries trying to answer a question or two. I have been
looking at the number counter on each thread to see how many times it was
viewed. To my surprise, The counts are high. Not sure if it is the same four
people looking at them or if we just have a bunch of lurkers now. I for one
would hate to see this dye a slow death. It sure helps me stay driven each day
to keep flying my plane. The local airport activity keeps drying up and people
disappearing from the airports. I even notice it at airports other than mine.
Nobody doing anything anymore.
So, for me it is hard to say if it is the friction the last year or so, or just
plain less activity by everyone being the root cause.
By the looks of the number of responses you have I think most are just being quite
but still reading.
Lets not let a good (GREAT) thing fail. Aviation started with us little guys,
so I think it is up to us little guys to keep it alive.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
Read this topic online here:
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Well, That's a funny question, for me. My plans are Pietenpol plans.
However, as I have already said, the wing ribs were made from the Grega
plans. Also, the four engine mounts are Grega. I liked the sturdyness of
the Grega mounts. I'm using a Corvair engine and I wanted a little more
substantial connection to the fuselage. Also, I didn't like the Pietenpol
arrangement where the inside mount piece dictates a different positioning
of the upper and lower cross pieces. I think that would also weaken the
structure somewhat. Other than those things, the plane is a Pietenpol.
Also, I don't like the large, motorcycle type wheels. I'm using a 600/6
Matco wheels with toe-operated hydraulic brakes. I'll be operating off a
macadam runway for the most part so I like the positive braking.
Incidentally, I flew Navy fighters in WW2 (that to almost tell how old I
am), I have quite a few flying hours, and I've never even SEEN an airplane
with a rudder bar -- much less flown one. So I put in pedals -- contrary
to the Pietenpol plans.
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Charles, I tell people that I have a PietenGrega. My plane was built
> between 1965 and 1973. It has a pure Pietenpol Fuselage with the Grega
> setup for Piper Cub landing Gear. The wing is the 3 piece Grega. So on th
e
> Cabanes the top bolt runs front to rear, a la Grega, on the bottom of the
> cabanes the bolt runs right to left, a la Pietenpol.
>
> What plans are you using?
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D.
>
> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Charles N. Campbell <
> charlescampbell1924@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Marcus, I think it would take a real expert to tell the difference
>> between a GN1 and a regular Pietenpol. I originally had a set of GN1 pl
ans
>> and was planning on building one. In fact, my wing uses the GN1 airfoil
--
>> which is not a whole lot different from the Piet. I think I read where
the
>> GN1 airfoil provides a bit better climb than the Piet. Otherwise, I
>> thought the GN1 was a bit more complex than the Piet so I gave the set o
f
>> plans (minus one of the full-size wing rib drawings) back to the owner w
ho
>> had lent the plans to me and I ordered a set of Piet plans. I'm just
>> finishing up the fuselage now (still uncovered). Wings and tail surface
s
>> are all built and awaiting cover. I will probably put the airplane
>> together uncovered for an AI inspection. Then I will tear it apart for
the
>> covering and then reassemble it for the FAA inspection. A friend of min
e
>> did that with a little biplane and when the FAA man who flew up from
>> Charlotte in a C172 took off (after the inspection) to return to CLT my
>> friend took off right behind him for his first flight. Hope you have go
od
>> fortune on the building of the Piet. If I had a GN1 I wouldn't bother
>> building a Piet unless I just wanted to build something. Keep us aware
of
>> the progress. Chuck
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Marcus Zechini <
>> marcus.zechini@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hopefully not! I will put pics on, today, of my front harness, to
>>> answer recent posts. Probably a little late, but need to get to hangar
with
>>> tablet.
>>> I bid on an A65 on eBay.... Looks like I may get. Even though I am
>>> flying a GN-1 now....one day, I will build. So, will I have to park f
ar
>>> out at Brodhead. I do plan to be there....and not cheat by flying somet
hing
>>> else.
>>> On Jan 16, 2015 10:46 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net
>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey all (or whomever is still out there)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that
>>>> since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a dras
tic
>>>> and steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am les
s interested in
>>>> submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a gre
at
>>>> group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorit
e
>>>> thing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say noth
ing
>>>> of helping me finish my plane.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) I
s
>>>> it dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol
>>>> =9Cmouthpieces=9D around anymore which will likely impact
an already shrinking
>>>> following.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is Brodhead next??!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Douwe
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
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>>>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbook
s.com>
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>>>>
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Amen!!!
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:06 PM, AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
wrote:
> Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
>
> Douwe,
>
> I have been reading what little has been posted most every day during the
> week. I have even made a few entries trying to answer a question or two.
> I have been looking at the number counter on each thread to see how many
> times it was viewed. To my surprise, The counts are high. Not sure if it
> is the same four people looking at them or if we just have a bunch of
> lurkers now. I for one would hate to see this dye a slow death. It sure
> helps me stay driven each day to keep flying my plane. The local airport
> activity keeps drying up and people disappearing from the airports. I even
> notice it at airports other than mine. Nobody doing anything anymore.
>
> So, for me it is hard to say if it is the friction the last year or so, or
> just plain less activity by everyone being the root cause.
>
> By the looks of the number of responses you have I think most are just
> being quite but still reading.
>
> Lets not let a good (GREAT) thing fail. Aviation started with us little
> guys, so I think it is up to us little guys to keep it alive.
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437105#437105
>
>
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Hard to say of BPA is dying or not... I don't think it
is. Certainly there has been some turn over. And it is
winter - so less building. Aviation is always in flux.
I do lurk on the site - because I think Piets are a
very nostalgic and endearing aircraft and represent the spirit
of flight better than most modern aircraft.=0A=0A=0AMy own Piet
project languished as life filled up, so I bequeathed it to
a better home - and hopefully those parts will be flying s
omeday soon. Until then - I'll keep stopping by Brodhead
every summer not he way to Oshkosh=0A=0A=0ACheers=0AJonathan Apfel
baum=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Charles N. Campbell
<charlescampbell1924@gmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matroni
cs.com>=0ASent: Fri, Jan 16, 2015 1:23 pm=0ASubject: Re: Pietenp
ol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?=0A=0A=0A=0AWell, That's
a funny question, for me. My plans are Pietenpol plans.
However, as I have already said, the wing ribs were made f
rom the Grega plans. Also, the four engine mounts are Gre
ga. I liked the sturdyness of the Grega mounts. I'm us
ing a Corvair engine and I wanted a little more substantial
connection to the fuselage. Also, I didn't like the Pietenp
ol arrangement where the inside mount piece dictates a differe
nt positioning of the upper and lower cross pieces. I thi
nk that would also weaken the structure somewhat. Other tha
n those things, the plane is a Pietenpol. Also, I don't
like the large, motorcycle type wheels. I'm using a 600/6
Matco wheels with toe-operated hydraulic brakes. I'll be oper
ating off a macadam runway for the most part so I like t
he positive braking. Incidentally, I flew Navy fighters in
WW2 (that to almost tell how old I am), I have quite a
few flying hours, and I've never even SEEN an airplane with
a rudder bar -- much less flown one. So I put in peda
ls -- contrary to the Pietenpol plans. =0A=0A=0A=0AOn Fri,
Jan 16, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.c
om> wrote:=0A=0A=0ACharles, I tell people that I have a Pieten
Grega. My plane was built between 1965 and 1973. It has a
pure Pietenpol Fuselage with the Grega setup for Piper Cub l
anding Gear. The wing is the 3 piece Grega. So on the Ca
banes the top bolt runs front to rear, a la Grega, on th
e bottom of the cabanes the bolt runs right to left, a l
a Pietenpol. =0A =0AWhat plans are you using?=0A =0ABlue Skies
,=0ASteve D. =0A=0A=0A=0AOn Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:50 AM, C
harles N. Campbell <charlescampbell1924@gmail.com> wrote:=0A=0A=0AMarcus
, I think it would take a real expert to tell the differ
ence between a GN1 and a regular Pietenpol. I originally
had a set of GN1 plans and was planning on building one.
In fact, my wing uses the GN1 airfoil -- which is not
a whole lot different from the Piet. I think I read whe
re the GN1 airfoil provides a bit better climb than the Pi
et. Otherwise, I thought the GN1 was a bit more complex
than the Piet so I gave the set of plans (minus one of
the full-size wing rib drawings) back to the owner who had
lent the plans to me and I ordered a set of Piet plans.
I'm just finishing up the fuselage now (still uncovered).
Wings and tail surfaces are all built and awaiting cover.
I will probably put the airplane together uncovered for an A
I inspection. Then I will tear it apart for the covering
and then reassemble it for the FAA inspection. A friend o
f mine did that with a little biplane and when the FAA m
an who flew up from Charlotte in a C172 took off (after
the inspection) to return to CLT my friend took off right
behind him for his first flight. Hope you have good fortu
ne on the building of the Piet. If I had a GN1 I wo
uldn't bother building a Piet unless I just wanted to build
something. Keep us aware of the progress. Chuck=0A=0A=0A=0AO
n Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Marcus Zechini <marcus.zech
ini@gmail.com> wrote:=0A=0AHopefully not! I will put pics on,
today, of my front harness, to answer recent posts. Probably
a little late, but need to get to hangar with tablet.=0AI
bid on an A65 on eBay.... Looks like I may get. Even tho
ugh I am flying a GN-1 now....one day, I will build.
So, will I have to park far out at Brodhead. I do plan
to be there....and not cheat by flying something else.=0AOn Ja
n 16, 2015 10:46 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net
> wrote:=0A=0A=0AHey all (or whomever is still out there
)=0A =0AAre we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol li
st? It seems that since the ugliness and contention of wh
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ubmitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always
such a great group until the last couple of years. Readin
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great way to start the day to say nothing of helping me
finish my plane.=0A =0AAnd, whatever happened to the BPA??
(Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is it dead too? Seems that
very soon, there will be no Pietenpol =9Cmouthpieces=9D
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John Hoffman
email address: thomas.233327@Comcast.net
Tom Hale
Kent Washington.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 8:50:31 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
John,
You are a trooper for taking all this on!
We need bragging rights? Someone should have told me.
Gary Boothe
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
BPA is still here and thank you for your patience.
Bad news and lame excuses: Been dealing with aging parents, quadriplegic ne
phews with no health care and a career change. Time really flies when life
gets in the way.
Good news and moving forward: Career change is good, relatives fairly stabl
e and three issues are in the works, the first of which will mail next week
. I look to be caught up and and back to normal by mid - February. Anyone w
ho paid and is owed issues will get them, unlike in the past. Hopefully tha
t will rekindle some interest and input.
Other good things: I will be at SNF and will have a booth in the type club
tent by the walkway to the antique/classic parking area. I am trying to get
a Pietenpol forum on as well. I will get to visit the guys in the wood wor
king area and hope to do an article on the volunteer work they do. An new w
ebsite is in the works where we will have recent back issues available to m
embers as a pdf file as well as a forum and a social network component. A s
erver switch is also going to happen. I have heard from several people that
the BPA email is not working properly. I will update the email there to th
is one for now: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com .
One thing I will need from many of you is a good email address. When taking
over from Doc and Dee last year I got good postal addresses but did not ge
t a list of good email addresses. This will be necessary to get you on the
web.
On a sad note: I did not see it mentioned anywhere that Edward Herrmann pas
sed away last week. Hopefully Ezra Stiles will make that outside loop with
the help of the Big Man.
Finally: This is the 40th Brodhead gathering this year. I am pitching this
in the newsletter out this week about a "Brodhead Cup." It would be a small
air race for Pietenpols. It would have several divisions: A-65, Model A, C
orvair and an "Open" division that would cover all the of previous division
s and even include GN-1s. It will be a Figure 8 race with a race horse star
t (just kidding). Actually I was thinking of placing a person at the Monroe
airport and we could do a timed run from Brodhead to Monroe and back. This
would be for bragging rights and just plain fun.
Let me know what you think about the race.
-john-
On Jan 16, 2015, at 9:45 AM, Douwe Blumberg < douweblumberg@earthlink.net >
wrote:
Hey all (or whomever is still out there)
Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that since
the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic and st
eady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am less interested
in submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a great
group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite thi
ng about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing of h
elping me finish my plane.
And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is it
dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol =9Cmouthpi
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following.
Is Brodhead next??!!!
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Hi Guys,
A little update on my GN-1 rebuild.
Just finished painting the fuse and tail feathers. Into the reassembly and
engine run.
I=B9ll take the completed fuse to the hangar and then I can concentrate on th
e
wing covering.
Pic attached.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://repiet.cpc-world.com
From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Marcus, I think it would take a real expert to tell the difference between
a
GN1 and a regular Pietenpol. I originally had a set of GN1 plans and was
planning on building one. In fact, my wing uses the GN1 airfoil -- which i
s
not a whole lot different from the Piet. I think I read where the GN1
airfoil provides a bit better climb than the Piet. Otherwise, I thought th
e
GN1 was a bit more complex than the Piet so I gave the set of plans (minus
one of the full-size wing rib drawings) back to the owner who had lent the
plans to me and I ordered a set of Piet plans. I'm just finishing up the
fuselage now (still uncovered). Wings and tail surfaces are all built and
awaiting cover. I will probably put the airplane together uncovered for an
AI inspection. Then I will tear it apart for the covering and then
reassemble it for the FAA inspection. A friend of mine did that with a
little biplane and when the FAA man who flew up from Charlotte in a C172
took off (after the inspection) to return to CLT my friend took off right
behind him for his first flight. Hope you have good fortune on the buildin
g
of the Piet. If I had a GN1 I wouldn't bother building a Piet unless I jus
t
wanted to build something. Keep us aware of the progress. Chuck
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Hopefully not! I will put pics on, today, of my front harness, to answer
> recent posts. Probably a little late, but need to get to hangar with tabl
et.
> I bid on an A65 on eBay.... Looks like I may get. Even though I am flying
a
> GN-1 now....one day, I will build. So, will I have to park far out at
> Brodhead. I do plan to be there....and not cheat by flying something else
.
>
> On Jan 16, 2015 10:46 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>> Hey all (or whomever is still out there=8A)
>>
>> Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that s
ince
>> the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic and
>> steady =B3exodus=B2 of participants. I for one am less interested in submit
ting
>> thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a great group unti
l the
>> last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite thing about most
>> mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing of helping me f
inish
>> my plane.
>>
>> And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is
it
>> dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol =B3mouthpieces
=B2
>> around anymore which will likely impact an already shrinking following.
>>
>> Is Brodhead next??!!!
>>
>> Douwe
>>
>>
>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com>
>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks.co
m>
>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com>
>> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com>
>> ank">www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com>
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>
>
>
> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com
> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com
> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com
> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com
> ank">www.mrrace.com
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| Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
I=99m still here in wintry Alberta, Canada and still monitor the
Pietenpol list regularly. After building and flying my Pietenpol CF-AUN
for nearly 43 years I donated it to a local museum in September 2013.
But I will always be interested in this neat design that pioneered
grassroots aviation, and the people who build and fly Pietenpols.
I rarely contribute to the discussion anymore since the same topics
previously dealt with keep surfacing, and a search of the archives would
almost always provide an answer to any question. Perhaps this is one
reason why it seems the list is slowing down. Maybe people are beginning
to use the archives more than previously. Just guessing, though.
Keep =98em flying!
Graham Hansen EAA 2063
From: Douwe Blumberg
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 8:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Hey all (or whomever is still out there)
Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that
since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a
drastic and steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one
am less interested in submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it
was always such a great group until the last couple of years. Reading
the list was my favorite thing about most mornings and a great way to
start the day to say nothing of helping me finish my plane.
And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is
it dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol
=9Cmouthpieces=9D around anymore which will likely impact an
already shrinking following.
Is Brodhead next??!!!
Douwe
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| Subject: | Two plans questions |
Hello,
1) trying to get an order for some of the fuselage. On sheet 1, under the top profile
drawing towards the right, it notes the size of wood. It's 3/4 X 1 for
1, 7 to ???? I can't read itseems like it could be 14, but I'm wondering the size
of 15.
2) the forward part of the rudder is shown as 43 1/2", but the back end of the
vert stab adds up to 43", so I plan to make the front of the rudder 43". Just
wondering what others did.
Thank you,
--------
John
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| Subject: | Re: Two plans questions |
hi John
1) would be 1 and 7-14 for the 1" x 3/4"
2) 43" should work- i cut the bottom off my rudder and added a
a new piece to make it match up to the bottom of the fuse...
hope all is well with you!
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| Subject: | Re: Two plans questions |
Thanks! All is well. Starting to turn my attention to the fusetail shouldn't take
much longer.
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John
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| Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
You lucky bum! Don't forget the PIET.
Ray Krause
Still building SkyScout. Tail feathers almost all covered. Pictures later.
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> On Jan 16, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Jeff Boatright <jeffboatright@emory.edu> wrote:
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> Its time of year and weather for me. Its cold and flu season (I caught the superbug),
weve had many WEEKS of IFR wx. Im gone for the holidays and Im very busy
at the beginning of the semester.
>
> Waaa!
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>
> Also, I just bought the attached and it's keeping me busy.
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| Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
I agree that the forum sure has seemed slow lately. It may just be a transition
as was mentioned from the old guard to the latest generation of people building
and flying. Even though we build generally alone, this is quite a social journey.
I for one appreciate that social part as much as this history and building.
Off to layout the flat patterns for my fuel tank this weekend - after scrapping
my first attempt that I tried over the holiday break. (i was going to "overbend"
the flanges and have Mike weld the outside - thus strong with the flange but
no chance for the seem to leak) I have done a lot of research since then and
will be doing the tank in a more tried-and-true method. The Piet archive and
west coast Piet were a big help in the research.......
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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