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1. 12:52 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Gerrit-Jan Kaal)
2. 03:04 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (aviken)
3. 03:25 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Jack)
4. 06:25 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Jeff Boatright)
5. 06:35 AM - Re: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Steven Dortch)
6. 07:06 AM - Re: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Steven Dortch)
7. 09:10 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Ray Krause)
8. 10:10 AM - Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Oscar Zuniga)
9. 11:17 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (taildrags)
10. 11:23 AM - prop bolts (taildrags)
11. 12:27 PM - Empennage "How To" (Bill Church)
12. 01:24 PM - BPA and the List (Dave Boyd)
13. 02:25 PM - Re: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Charles N. Campbell)
14. 04:31 PM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (AircamperN11MS)
15. 04:40 PM - Today's flight (AircamperN11MS)
16. 04:48 PM - Cold windy flying (shad bell)
17. 05:10 PM - Re: Empennage "How To" (Pocono John)
18. 06:09 PM - Engineering drawing / measurements of the aluminum hinges? (Andrew Armstrong)
19. 08:00 PM - Re: Engineering drawing / measurements of the aluminum hinges? (taildrags)
20. 09:20 PM - Re: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Ray Krause)
21. 09:24 PM - Re: Today's flight (Ray Krause)
22. 09:25 PM - Re: Today's flight (Ray Krause)
23. 10:40 PM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools)
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Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
Hi Douwe,
I hope the Pietenpol list is far from dead. Its a daily read for me, and
although i just started building, it is very inspiring to read about other
piet builders and the solutions for issues like the front harness.
Gerrit-Jan
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.ne
t
> wrote:
> Hey all (or whomever is still out there)
>
>
> Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that
> since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic
> and steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am less i
nterested in
> submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a great
> group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite
> thing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing
> of helping me finish my plane.
>
>
> And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is i
t
> dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol =9Cmout
hpieces=9D
> around anymore which will likely impact an already shrinking following.
>
>
> Is Brodhead next??!!!
>
>
> Douwe
>
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Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
Say it ain't so JOE.... Just as a newcomer like me tasted the coolaid and buried
himself in t88 glue and spruce dust someone turns out the light?
I've been building for just over a year, I work on something every day. I
read this list at least once a day(usually check it multiple times for new stuff.
I am practically all alone here in Arkansas with only one visitor from a
builder, and hardly anyone else. This list is very important to me for inspiration
and knowledge. I made my first trip to Brodhead last July, 9 days
after having a heart attack and a stint placement . So it is difficult for me
to understand this list and the Brodhead gathering to be in it's decline.
I could be putting stuff on the list more often than I do but I feel that only
important or unique things are wanted.
I just don't want to think that all this is going away just as I got here.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437123#437123
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Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
Chuck what did you fly in the NAVY, my dad flew Corsairs, TV-2s then P2Vs in
the Reserve.
Thanks for your service!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
> On Jan 16, 2015, at 2:22 PM, "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924@gm
ail.com> wrote:
>
> Well, That's a funny question, for me. My plans are Pietenpol plans. How
ever, as I have already said, the wing ribs were made from the Grega plans.
Also, the four engine mounts are Grega. I liked the sturdyness of the Greg
a mounts. I'm using a Corvair engine and I wanted a little more substantial
connection to the fuselage. Also, I didn't like the Pietenpol arrangement w
here the inside mount piece dictates a different positioning of the upper an
d lower cross pieces. I think that would also weaken the structure somewhat
. Other than those things, the plane is a Pietenpol. Also, I don't like th
e large, motorcycle type wheels. I'm using a 600/6 Matco wheels with toe-op
erated hydraulic brakes. I'll be operating off a macadam runway for the mos
t part so I like the positive braking. Incidentally, I flew Navy fighters i
n WW2 (that to almost tell how old I am), I have quite a few flying hours, a
nd I've never even SEEN an airplane with a rudder bar -- much less flown one
. So I put in pedals -- contrary to the Pietenpol plans.
>
>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.co
m> wrote:
>> Charles, I tell people that I have a PietenGrega. My plane was built betw
een 1965 and 1973. It has a pure Pietenpol Fuselage with the Grega setup for
Piper Cub landing Gear. The wing is the 3 piece Grega. So on the Cabanes th
e top bolt runs front to rear, a la Grega, on the bottom of the cabanes the b
olt runs right to left, a la Pietenpol.
>>
>> What plans are you using?
>>
>> Blue Skies,
>> Steve D.
>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Charles N. Campbell <charlescampbell19
24@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Marcus, I think it would take a real expert to tell the difference betwe
en a GN1 and a regular Pietenpol. I originally had a set of GN1 plans and w
as planning on building one. In fact, my wing uses the GN1 airfoil -- which
is not a whole lot different from the Piet. I think I read where the GN1 a
irfoil provides a bit better climb than the Piet. Otherwise, I thought the G
N1 was a bit more complex than the Piet so I gave the set of plans (minus on
e of the full-size wing rib drawings) back to the owner who had lent the pla
ns to me and I ordered a set of Piet plans. I'm just finishing up the fusel
age now (still uncovered). Wings and tail surfaces are all built and awaiti
ng cover. I will probably put the airplane together uncovered for an AI ins
pection. Then I will tear it apart for the covering and then reassemble it f
or the FAA inspection. A friend of mine did that with a little biplane and w
hen the FAA man who flew up from Charlotte in a C172 took off (after the ins
pection) to return to CLT my friend took off right behind him for his first f
light. Hope you have good fortune on the building of the Piet. If I had a G
N1 I wouldn't bother building a Piet unless I just wanted to build something
. Keep us aware of the progress. Chuck
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini@gmail.
com> wrote:
>>>> Hopefully not! I will put pics on, today, of my front harness, to answ
er recent posts. Probably a little late, but need to get to hangar with tabl
et.
>>>> I bid on an A65 on eBay.... Looks like I may get. Even though I am flyi
ng a GN-1 now....one day, I will build. So, will I have to park far out at
Brodhead. I do plan to be there....and not cheat by flying something else.
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 16, 2015 10:46 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.ne
t> wrote:
>>>>> Hey all (or whomever is still out there)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that
since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic a
nd steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am less inter
ested in submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a g
reat group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite
thing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing o
f helping me finish my plane.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) I
s it dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol =9Cmo
uthpieces=9D around anymore which will likely impact an already shrink
ing following.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is Brodhead next??!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Douwe
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com
>>>>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com
>>>>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com
>>>>> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com
>>>>> ank">www.mrrace.com
>>>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>>>>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com
>>>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com
>>>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com
>>>> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com
>>>> ank">www.mrrace.com
>>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>>>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com
>>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com
>>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com
>>> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com
>>> ank">www.mrrace.com
>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Blue Skies,
>> Steve D
>>
>>
>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com
>>
>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com
>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com
>> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com
>> ank">www.mrrace.com
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
steven.d.dortch(at)gmail. wrote:
> Jeff, Is that the Aerial version?
>
> Looks like an earlier version Pitts, what HP?
>
> Blue Skies
> Steve D
>
>
>
The engine is a Frankenstein Lycoming 0-290D/G (probably putting out 130 hp). It
is an early S1C, originally built in 1966. It underwent a very thorough rebuild
that was finished in 2013, but never flown. A friend of mine bought it to
finish and get flying. Hes an A&P and very much a Pitts expert (hes the crew chief
and #2 pilot for the biplane team that won Reno 2014). I bought if from him
for about half what he could get on the market, but hes very interested in
keeping the plane on the field and encouraging as much activity as possible.
My skills are nowhere near whats needed, so Im trying to arrange some serious instruction
in an S2. In the meantime, Ill keep flying the Piet, of course!
Jeff
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437127#437127
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Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
Looks very classic. A buddy has been competitive in aerobatics for many
years. He was the top biplane competitor for several years. I asked him why
he did not get one of the hot monoplanes and he said "I am not near pushing
my Pitts to it's limits yet.
I hear that they are "sporting" to land. Is that so?
Blue Skies
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 8:25 AM, Jeff Boatright <jeffboatright@emory.edu>
wrote:
> jeffboatright@emory.edu>
>
>
> steven.d.dortch(at)gmail. wrote:
> > Jeff, Is that the Aerial version?
> >
> > Looks like an earlier version Pitts, what HP?
> >
> > Blue Skies
> > Steve D
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> The engine is a Frankenstein Lycoming 0-290D/G (probably putting out 130
> hp). It is an early S1C, originally built in 1966. It underwent a very
> thorough rebuild that was finished in 2013, but never flown. A friend of
> mine bought it to finish and get flying. He=99s an A&P and very muc
h a Pitts
> expert (he=99s the crew chief and #2 pilot for the biplane team tha
t won Reno
> 2014). I bought if from him for about half what he could get on the marke
t,
> but he=99s very interested in keeping the plane on the field and en
couraging
> as much activity as possible.
>
> My skills are nowhere near what=99s needed, so I=99m trying t
o arrange some
> serious instruction in an S2. In the meantime, I=99ll keep flying t
he Piet,
> of course!
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437127#437127
>
>
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
I would like to continue to bemoan the decline of the list, but I have 3
good weather days off and Intend on working on my Piet. A short list of
projects:
making 2 new Pully holders for my aileron cables
making the front shoulder harness attachment
stripping and painting the small round inspection covers
Going over the plane looking for cotter keys and such that need installing
finding some Prop bolts
installing the data plate
making and installing the cover for my wing tank
making a side access panel 5X8
I doubt that I will get half of that done, but I will check the list every
night and post questions.
So I am doing my part by asking questions. Thanks to those of you who
answer or discuss.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 5:03 AM, aviken <aviken@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> Say it ain't so JOE.... Just as a newcomer like me tasted the coolaid
> and buried himself in t88 glue and spruce dust someone turns out the light?
> I've been building for just over a year, I work on something every
> day. I read this list at least once a day(usually check it multiple times
> for new stuff. I am practically all alone here in Arkansas with only one
> visitor from a builder, and hardly anyone else. This list is very
> important to me for inspiration and knowledge. I made my first trip to
> Brodhead last July, 9 days after having a heart attack and a stint
> placement . So it is difficult for me to understand this list and the
> Brodhead gathering to be in it's decline.
> I could be putting stuff on the list more often than I do but I feel
> that only important or unique things are wanted.
> I just don't want to think that all this is going away just as I got
> here.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437123#437123
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
Douwe,
I think there are times when many of us are doing the rather mundane parts o
f building and/or maintaining our aircraft. For example, I'm in the covering
process and it is rather tedious, repetitive and slow. It's hard to make pr
ogress that is too exciting.
Another point is that we tend to make friends in our own geographical areas w
here communication comes outside the forum, unfortunately. For example, I co
mmunicate with Gary Boothe, Chris Tracy, Jim Boyer, Oscar Zuniga, etc on occ
asion when I have a quick question on a specific point that I know they have
dealt with in the past. This may not be of benefit to the entire group, so m
aybe it should go through to Forum.
Several weeks ago, Chris, Gary, Brian Rieger and his father (building a PIET
together) and other friends were here to visit, look at my progress and scr
uff up a free lunch! (I think all my tools are still here!) It was a great d
ay. The next day Gary came back to loan me some of his covering materials th
at I had failed to order. Then Chris put me in contact with Bill Liimataine
n, from near Brodhead who had built a Sky Scout and had great suggestions on
the landing gear. Bill called me subsequently and we spoke for nearly an h
our about Pietenpols. He is sending me some plans and photos of his gear.
Also during the visit here, I gave Chris a memory stick from Jake Schultz th
at had 146 photos of the Sky Scout in a museum in WA. Chris will put these o
n Westcoat PIET site.
So, we are active, just not writing too much. But now you have stirred us u
p and we are writing too much, at least I am!
Thanks,
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 16, 2015, at 7:45 AM, Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> w
rote:
>
> Hey all (or whomever is still out there)
>
> Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that sin
ce the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic and s
teady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am less intereste
d in submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a grea
t group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite th
ing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing of h
elping me finish my plane.
>
> And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is it
dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol =9Cmouthp
ieces=9D around anymore which will likely impact an already shrinking f
ollowing.
>
> Is Brodhead next??!!!
>
> Douwe
>
>
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Subject: | Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
I look for my Piet list digest in the email pretty much first thing every d
ay=2C and have been disappointed to see zero messages in the digest a coupl
e of times lately. I think it's pretty common for this to happen in the wi
nter months=2C what with the holidays and it being too cold to build or fly
.
I know I comment and post too much=2C so I try not to reply to posts unless
I can offer something constructive=2C encouraging=2C or maybe humorous. I
also ask questions about things I see on other people's airplanes because
I like to learn and as William Wynne says=2C "I reserve the right to get sm
arter" when it comes to a new and better way to do something. There is nev
er any shortage of things like this coming from the list=2C you just have t
o wait patiently for it. Actually=2C it's good training for being a good P
iet pilot. Patience=2C that is.
I may have been part of the 'friction' from last year and after getting pun
ched in the gut by one person and had my engineering pshaw'ed by another=2C
I unsubscribed from the list but wasn't able to resist checking the forum
at least once a day to keep track of who is doing what. My self-imposed ab
sence lasted a couple of months but there is too much good here for me to s
tay away.
Right now there are a couple of airplanes under construction that I am real
ly anxious to see get completed and start flying. At the top of the list i
s Aerocar Jake's round-engine=2C steel-frame Piet up in Washington. I was
thrilled to see Ken Bickers get his plane finished up in Colorado (how's th
e testing going=2C Ken?)- and there are others out there that are getting c
lose. I'm really interested in seeing Kenny Crider's Jeep-powered Piet kee
p coming together. And although I may end up in a wheelchair before it hap
pens=2C I'd sure like to see Steve Dortch finish up "FrankenPiet" and get i
t flying to close that loop. This is why I stick around=2C along with wait
ing for the old-timers to drop tasty crumbs of knowledge=2C links to "watch
me make smoke!" and "a 10-minute flight around the patch" videos=2C all of
it.
Not slowly dying... just getting rested up for spring =3Bo)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Medford=2C OR
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Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
Not sure why, but it looks like my message got truncated so here it is again.
Sorry if it's a repeat:
I look for my Piet list digest in the email pretty much first thing every d
ay=2C and have been disappointed to see zero messages in the digest a coupl
e of times lately. I think it's pretty common for this to happen in the wi
nter months=2C what with the holidays and it being too cold to build or fly
.
I know I comment and post too much=2C so I try not to reply to posts unless
I can offer something constructive=2C encouraging=2C or maybe humorous. I
also ask questions about things I see on other people's airplanes because
I like to learn and as William Wynne says=2C "I reserve the right to get sm
arter" when it comes to a new and better way to do something. There is nev
er any shortage of things like this coming from the list=2C you just have t
o wait patiently for it. Actually=2C it's good training for being a good P
iet pilot. Patience=2C that is.
I may have been part of the 'friction' from last year and after getting pun
ched in the gut by one person and had my engineering pshaw'ed by another=2C
I unsubscribed from the list but wasn't able to resist checking the forum
at least once a day to keep track of who is doing what. My self-imposed ab
sence lasted a couple of months but there is too much good here for me to s
tay away.
Right now there are a couple of airplanes under construction that I am real
ly anxious to see get completed and start flying. At the top of the list i
s Aerocar Jake's round-engine=2C steel-frame Piet up in Washington. I was
thrilled to see Ken Bickers get his plane finished up in Colorado (how's th
e testing going=2C Ken?)- and there are others out there that are getting c
lose. I'm really interested in seeing Kenny Crider's Jeep-powered Piet kee
p coming together. And although I may end up in a wheelchair before it hap
pens=2C I'd sure like to see Steve Dortch finish up "FrankenPiet" and get i
t flying to close that loop. This is why I stick around=2C along with wait
ing for the old-timers to drop tasty crumbs of knowledge=2C links to "watch
me make smoke!" and "a 10-minute flight around the patch" videos=2C all of
it.
Not slowly dying... just getting rested up for spring =3Bo)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Medford=2C OR
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Steve;
What are you looking for in the way of prop bolts? Do you have a tapered shaft
hub or a flanged hub? They take different bolts... the flanged hubs generally
have drive lugs and the bolts go through the crush plate and prop before screwing
into the threaded lugs. Those bolts require drilled heads so they can be
safetied at the front. The tapered shaft hub, at least the one I had on Scout,
had the bolts pointing threaded end forward, using castellated nuts and washers
over the crush plate and being drilled for safety wire through the castellated
nuts.
I have a set of six brand-new and unflown AN6 prop bolts that were not the right
length for my hub after I changed props. I can measure them and take a photo
next time I'm at the hangar and if they'll work for you, I'll pop them in the
mail to you. Let me know what you need.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Empennage "How To" |
File under: Unsolicited advice.
Stumbled across an email I wrote up a few years ago in response to a friend's question
regarding the method I used to approach building the empennage. Thought
it may be of some use to anyone studying the plans and left scratching their
head as to how the details work out on this item. So I edited it and threw it
together into a document, which is attached, in PDF format.
This isn't the only way to skin this cat - just an easier method.
BC
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Subject: | BPA and the List |
Your comments and analysis are right on Jack. I poured over the list daily
while I was building. I still scan it for tidbits. Somewhat ashamedly I
don't make many inputs. In some cases I can't even remember how I did
something myself when someone asks a question but as you said the archives
will answer almost any question.
I'm hoping to get NX7710J to Brodhead this year. I drove to Brodhead every
year while building but since completing and flying the airplane in Nov.
2012 I have not been free to go for a variety of reasons.
People who are building should be keeping the list alive and perhaps
sharing where in the archives they found something, or that they are
looking and can't find an answer.
It is a great group. Lots of fun.
Dave Boyd
Champaign, IL
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Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
With guys like you and me it won't go away! Keep building. The guys will
be back. C
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 6:03 AM, aviken <aviken@windstream.net> wrote:
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> Say it ain't so JOE.... Just as a newcomer like me tasted the coolaid
> and buried himself in t88 glue and spruce dust someone turns out the light?
> I've been building for just over a year, I work on something every
> day. I read this list at least once a day(usually check it multiple times
> for new stuff. I am practically all alone here in Arkansas with only one
> visitor from a builder, and hardly anyone else. This list is very
> important to me for inspiration and knowledge. I made my first trip to
> Brodhead last July, 9 days after having a heart attack and a stint
> placement . So it is difficult for me to understand this list and the
> Brodhead gathering to be in it's decline.
> I could be putting stuff on the list more often than I do but I feel
> that only important or unique things are wanted.
> I just don't want to think that all this is going away just as I got
> here.
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Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
Hey all,
you folks have all come out of the woodwork to remind us worry warts that the list
is still strong. Thanks to all of you I won't run out of things to read. I
am now a happy Air- Camper.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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I flew for about 45 minutes today. Chris Tracy's brother David has a beautiful
Pitts S2B. We flew in loose formation and he took some air to air pics. That's
not easy to do with the huge speed differences. We had a great time. Here is
one of the pics. Have a great weekend everyone.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Subject: | Cold windy flying |
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Subject: | Re: Empennage "How To" |
Thank you!
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John
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Subject: | Engineering drawing / measurements of the aluminum hinges? |
Hi,
I've got a crazy idea to try printing out the hinges on a 3D printer - have
the dimensions been posted somewhere? Found plenty of pictures, but no
actual dimensions.
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Subject: | Re: Engineering drawing / measurements of the aluminum |
hinges?
There are no engineering drawings for them although I started drawing them in wireframe
in AutoCAD in hopes of having some molds made so I could have them extruded
in Zytel. Too much trouble and cost, too low a demand for them.
Here's a picture with a ruler on it for scale. I could take some dimensions if
you were serious about wanting to make something accurate.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
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Subject: | Re: Today's flight |
Keep her flying, Scott. Beautiful.
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 17, 2015, at 4:39 PM, AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> wrote:
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> I flew for about 45 minutes today. Chris Tracy's brother David has a beautiful
Pitts S2B. We flew in loose formation and he took some air to air pics. That's
not easy to do with the huge speed differences. We had a great time. Here is
one of the pics. Have a great weekend everyone.
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> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
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Subject: | Re: Today's flight |
Keep her flying, Scott. Beautiful.
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 17, 2015, at 4:39 PM, AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> wrote:
>
>
> I flew for about 45 minutes today. Chris Tracy's brother David has a beautiful
Pitts S2B. We flew in loose formation and he took some air to air pics. That's
not easy to do with the huge speed differences. We had a great time. Here is
one of the pics. Have a great weekend everyone.
>
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> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
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Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
Is this list dead... Yes. Has been for years. It's the most antiquated forum software
still active.
Is the bpa dead. Yes. I gave more rides to guys building piets last year at brodhead
than should be possible. The guys who host brodhead and the leadership
of "piets" is completely disconnected. Paper based newsletters are a thing of
the past.
These are observations only. I don't have a solution, or I'd just do it. William
w. Has offered and been rebutted by the "majority".
There's not much more that can be offered anyway. I was the safety officer for
the last a4 squadron in the navy, hell, not much more that could be done in that
jet by that time, ya know? Just accept it.
In the words of the vocal majority, use your search function! Hehe
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