---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/17/15: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:52 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Gerrit-Jan Kaal) 2. 03:04 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (aviken) 3. 03:25 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Jack) 4. 06:25 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Jeff Boatright) 5. 06:35 AM - Re: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Steven Dortch) 6. 07:06 AM - Re: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Steven Dortch) 7. 09:10 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Ray Krause) 8. 10:10 AM - Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Oscar Zuniga) 9. 11:17 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (taildrags) 10. 11:23 AM - prop bolts (taildrags) 11. 12:27 PM - Empennage "How To" (Bill Church) 12. 01:24 PM - BPA and the List (Dave Boyd) 13. 02:25 PM - Re: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Charles N. Campbell) 14. 04:31 PM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (AircamperN11MS) 15. 04:40 PM - Today's flight (AircamperN11MS) 16. 04:48 PM - Cold windy flying (shad bell) 17. 05:10 PM - Re: Empennage "How To" (Pocono John) 18. 06:09 PM - Engineering drawing / measurements of the aluminum hinges? (Andrew Armstrong) 19. 08:00 PM - Re: Engineering drawing / measurements of the aluminum hinges? (taildrags) 20. 09:20 PM - Re: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Ray Krause) 21. 09:24 PM - Re: Today's flight (Ray Krause) 22. 09:25 PM - Re: Today's flight (Ray Krause) 23. 10:40 PM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:52:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? From: Gerrit-Jan Kaal Hi Douwe, I hope the Pietenpol list is far from dead. Its a daily read for me, and although i just started building, it is very inspiring to read about other piet builders and the solutions for issues like the front harness. Gerrit-Jan On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > Hey all (or whomever is still out there) > > > Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that > since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic > and steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am less i nterested in > submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a great > group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite > thing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing > of helping me finish my plane. > > > And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is i t > dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol =9Cmout hpieces=9D > around anymore which will likely impact an already shrinking following. > > > Is Brodhead next??!!! > > > Douwe > > * > =========== m> ldersbooks.com> .com> com> om/contribution> =========== .matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> =========== =========== > > * > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:04:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? From: "aviken" Say it ain't so JOE.... Just as a newcomer like me tasted the coolaid and buried himself in t88 glue and spruce dust someone turns out the light? I've been building for just over a year, I work on something every day. I read this list at least once a day(usually check it multiple times for new stuff. I am practically all alone here in Arkansas with only one visitor from a builder, and hardly anyone else. This list is very important to me for inspiration and knowledge. I made my first trip to Brodhead last July, 9 days after having a heart attack and a stint placement . So it is difficult for me to understand this list and the Brodhead gathering to be in it's decline. I could be putting stuff on the list more often than I do but I feel that only important or unique things are wanted. I just don't want to think that all this is going away just as I got here. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437123#437123 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:25:23 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? From: Jack Chuck what did you fly in the NAVY, my dad flew Corsairs, TV-2s then P2Vs in the Reserve. Thanks for your service! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Jan 16, 2015, at 2:22 PM, "Charles N. Campbell" wrote: > > Well, That's a funny question, for me. My plans are Pietenpol plans. How ever, as I have already said, the wing ribs were made from the Grega plans. Also, the four engine mounts are Grega. I liked the sturdyness of the Greg a mounts. I'm using a Corvair engine and I wanted a little more substantial connection to the fuselage. Also, I didn't like the Pietenpol arrangement w here the inside mount piece dictates a different positioning of the upper an d lower cross pieces. I think that would also weaken the structure somewhat . Other than those things, the plane is a Pietenpol. Also, I don't like th e large, motorcycle type wheels. I'm using a 600/6 Matco wheels with toe-op erated hydraulic brakes. I'll be operating off a macadam runway for the mos t part so I like the positive braking. Incidentally, I flew Navy fighters i n WW2 (that to almost tell how old I am), I have quite a few flying hours, a nd I've never even SEEN an airplane with a rudder bar -- much less flown one . So I put in pedals -- contrary to the Pietenpol plans. > >> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Steven Dortch wrote: >> Charles, I tell people that I have a PietenGrega. My plane was built betw een 1965 and 1973. It has a pure Pietenpol Fuselage with the Grega setup for Piper Cub landing Gear. The wing is the 3 piece Grega. So on the Cabanes th e top bolt runs front to rear, a la Grega, on the bottom of the cabanes the b olt runs right to left, a la Pietenpol. >> >> What plans are you using? >> >> Blue Skies, >> Steve D. >> >>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Charles N. Campbell wrote: >>> Marcus, I think it would take a real expert to tell the difference betwe en a GN1 and a regular Pietenpol. I originally had a set of GN1 plans and w as planning on building one. In fact, my wing uses the GN1 airfoil -- which is not a whole lot different from the Piet. I think I read where the GN1 a irfoil provides a bit better climb than the Piet. Otherwise, I thought the G N1 was a bit more complex than the Piet so I gave the set of plans (minus on e of the full-size wing rib drawings) back to the owner who had lent the pla ns to me and I ordered a set of Piet plans. I'm just finishing up the fusel age now (still uncovered). Wings and tail surfaces are all built and awaiti ng cover. I will probably put the airplane together uncovered for an AI ins pection. Then I will tear it apart for the covering and then reassemble it f or the FAA inspection. A friend of mine did that with a little biplane and w hen the FAA man who flew up from Charlotte in a C172 took off (after the ins pection) to return to CLT my friend took off right behind him for his first f light. Hope you have good fortune on the building of the Piet. If I had a G N1 I wouldn't bother building a Piet unless I just wanted to build something . Keep us aware of the progress. Chuck >>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Marcus Zechini wrote: >>>> Hopefully not! I will put pics on, today, of my front harness, to answ er recent posts. Probably a little late, but need to get to hangar with tabl et. >>>> I bid on an A65 on eBay.... Looks like I may get. Even though I am flyi ng a GN-1 now....one day, I will build. So, will I have to park far out at Brodhead. I do plan to be there....and not cheat by flying something else. >>>> >>>>> On Jan 16, 2015 10:46 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote: >>>>> Hey all (or whomever is still out there) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic a nd steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am less inter ested in submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a g reat group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite thing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing o f helping me finish my plane. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) I s it dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol =9Cmo uthpieces=9D around anymore which will likely impact an already shrink ing following. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Is Brodhead next??!!! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Douwe >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com >>>>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >>>>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com >>>>> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com >>>>> ank">www.mrrace.com >>>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>>>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>>>> tp://forums.matronics.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com >>>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >>>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com >>>> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com >>>> ank">www.mrrace.com >>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>>> tp://forums.matronics.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com >>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com >>> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com >>> ank">www.mrrace.com >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>> tp://forums.matronics.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Blue Skies, >> Steve D >> >> >> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com >> >> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com >> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com >> ank">www.mrrace.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:27 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? From: "Jeff Boatright" steven.d.dortch(at)gmail. wrote: > Jeff, Is that the Aerial version? > > Looks like an earlier version Pitts, what HP? > > Blue Skies > Steve D > > > The engine is a Frankenstein Lycoming 0-290D/G (probably putting out 130 hp). It is an early S1C, originally built in 1966. It underwent a very thorough rebuild that was finished in 2013, but never flown. A friend of mine bought it to finish and get flying. Hes an A&P and very much a Pitts expert (hes the crew chief and #2 pilot for the biplane team that won Reno 2014). I bought if from him for about half what he could get on the market, but hes very interested in keeping the plane on the field and encouraging as much activity as possible. My skills are nowhere near whats needed, so Im trying to arrange some serious instruction in an S2. In the meantime, Ill keep flying the Piet, of course! Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437127#437127 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:10 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? From: Steven Dortch Looks very classic. A buddy has been competitive in aerobatics for many years. He was the top biplane competitor for several years. I asked him why he did not get one of the hot monoplanes and he said "I am not near pushing my Pitts to it's limits yet. I hear that they are "sporting" to land. Is that so? Blue Skies On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 8:25 AM, Jeff Boatright wrote: > jeffboatright@emory.edu> > > > steven.d.dortch(at)gmail. wrote: > > Jeff, Is that the Aerial version? > > > > Looks like an earlier version Pitts, what HP? > > > > Blue Skies > > Steve D > > > > > > > > > The engine is a Frankenstein Lycoming 0-290D/G (probably putting out 130 > hp). It is an early S1C, originally built in 1966. It underwent a very > thorough rebuild that was finished in 2013, but never flown. A friend of > mine bought it to finish and get flying. He=99s an A&P and very muc h a Pitts > expert (he=99s the crew chief and #2 pilot for the biplane team tha t won Reno > 2014). I bought if from him for about half what he could get on the marke t, > but he=99s very interested in keeping the plane on the field and en couraging > as much activity as possible. > > My skills are nowhere near what=99s needed, so I=99m trying t o arrange some > serious instruction in an S2. In the meantime, I=99ll keep flying t he Piet, > of course! > > Jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437127#437127 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:03 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? From: Steven Dortch I would like to continue to bemoan the decline of the list, but I have 3 good weather days off and Intend on working on my Piet. A short list of projects: making 2 new Pully holders for my aileron cables making the front shoulder harness attachment stripping and painting the small round inspection covers Going over the plane looking for cotter keys and such that need installing finding some Prop bolts installing the data plate making and installing the cover for my wing tank making a side access panel 5X8 I doubt that I will get half of that done, but I will check the list every night and post questions. So I am doing my part by asking questions. Thanks to those of you who answer or discuss. Blue Skies, Steve D On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 5:03 AM, aviken wrote: > > Say it ain't so JOE.... Just as a newcomer like me tasted the coolaid > and buried himself in t88 glue and spruce dust someone turns out the light? > I've been building for just over a year, I work on something every > day. I read this list at least once a day(usually check it multiple times > for new stuff. I am practically all alone here in Arkansas with only one > visitor from a builder, and hardly anyone else. This list is very > important to me for inspiration and knowledge. I made my first trip to > Brodhead last July, 9 days after having a heart attack and a stint > placement . So it is difficult for me to understand this list and the > Brodhead gathering to be in it's decline. > I could be putting stuff on the list more often than I do but I feel > that only important or unique things are wanted. > I just don't want to think that all this is going away just as I got > here. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437123#437123 > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:05 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? Douwe, I think there are times when many of us are doing the rather mundane parts o f building and/or maintaining our aircraft. For example, I'm in the covering process and it is rather tedious, repetitive and slow. It's hard to make pr ogress that is too exciting. Another point is that we tend to make friends in our own geographical areas w here communication comes outside the forum, unfortunately. For example, I co mmunicate with Gary Boothe, Chris Tracy, Jim Boyer, Oscar Zuniga, etc on occ asion when I have a quick question on a specific point that I know they have dealt with in the past. This may not be of benefit to the entire group, so m aybe it should go through to Forum. Several weeks ago, Chris, Gary, Brian Rieger and his father (building a PIET together) and other friends were here to visit, look at my progress and scr uff up a free lunch! (I think all my tools are still here!) It was a great d ay. The next day Gary came back to loan me some of his covering materials th at I had failed to order. Then Chris put me in contact with Bill Liimataine n, from near Brodhead who had built a Sky Scout and had great suggestions on the landing gear. Bill called me subsequently and we spoke for nearly an h our about Pietenpols. He is sending me some plans and photos of his gear. Also during the visit here, I gave Chris a memory stick from Jake Schultz th at had 146 photos of the Sky Scout in a museum in WA. Chris will put these o n Westcoat PIET site. So, we are active, just not writing too much. But now you have stirred us u p and we are writing too much, at least I am! Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Jan 16, 2015, at 7:45 AM, Douwe Blumberg w rote: > > Hey all (or whomever is still out there) > > Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that sin ce the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic and s teady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am less intereste d in submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a grea t group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite th ing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing of h elping me finish my plane. > > And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is it dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol =9Cmouthp ieces=9D around anymore which will likely impact an already shrinking f ollowing. > > Is Brodhead next??!!! > > Douwe > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:32 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? I look for my Piet list digest in the email pretty much first thing every d ay=2C and have been disappointed to see zero messages in the digest a coupl e of times lately. I think it's pretty common for this to happen in the wi nter months=2C what with the holidays and it being too cold to build or fly .. I know I comment and post too much=2C so I try not to reply to posts unless I can offer something constructive=2C encouraging=2C or maybe humorous. I also ask questions about things I see on other people's airplanes because I like to learn and as William Wynne says=2C "I reserve the right to get sm arter" when it comes to a new and better way to do something. There is nev er any shortage of things like this coming from the list=2C you just have t o wait patiently for it. Actually=2C it's good training for being a good P iet pilot. Patience=2C that is. I may have been part of the 'friction' from last year and after getting pun ched in the gut by one person and had my engineering pshaw'ed by another=2C I unsubscribed from the list but wasn't able to resist checking the forum at least once a day to keep track of who is doing what. My self-imposed ab sence lasted a couple of months but there is too much good here for me to s tay away. Right now there are a couple of airplanes under construction that I am real ly anxious to see get completed and start flying. At the top of the list i s Aerocar Jake's round-engine=2C steel-frame Piet up in Washington. I was thrilled to see Ken Bickers get his plane finished up in Colorado (how's th e testing going=2C Ken?)- and there are others out there that are getting c lose. I'm really interested in seeing Kenny Crider's Jeep-powered Piet kee p coming together. And although I may end up in a wheelchair before it hap pens=2C I'd sure like to see Steve Dortch finish up "FrankenPiet" and get i t flying to close that loop. This is why I stick around=2C along with wait ing for the old-timers to drop tasty crumbs of knowledge=2C links to "watch me make smoke!" and "a 10-minute flight around the patch" videos=2C all of it. Not slowly dying... just getting rested up for spring =3Bo) Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Medford=2C OR ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? From: "taildrags" Not sure why, but it looks like my message got truncated so here it is again. Sorry if it's a repeat: I look for my Piet list digest in the email pretty much first thing every d ay=2C and have been disappointed to see zero messages in the digest a coupl e of times lately. I think it's pretty common for this to happen in the wi nter months=2C what with the holidays and it being too cold to build or fly .. I know I comment and post too much=2C so I try not to reply to posts unless I can offer something constructive=2C encouraging=2C or maybe humorous. I also ask questions about things I see on other people's airplanes because I like to learn and as William Wynne says=2C "I reserve the right to get sm arter" when it comes to a new and better way to do something. There is nev er any shortage of things like this coming from the list=2C you just have t o wait patiently for it. Actually=2C it's good training for being a good P iet pilot. Patience=2C that is. I may have been part of the 'friction' from last year and after getting pun ched in the gut by one person and had my engineering pshaw'ed by another=2C I unsubscribed from the list but wasn't able to resist checking the forum at least once a day to keep track of who is doing what. My self-imposed ab sence lasted a couple of months but there is too much good here for me to s tay away. Right now there are a couple of airplanes under construction that I am real ly anxious to see get completed and start flying. At the top of the list i s Aerocar Jake's round-engine=2C steel-frame Piet up in Washington. I was thrilled to see Ken Bickers get his plane finished up in Colorado (how's th e testing going=2C Ken?)- and there are others out there that are getting c lose. I'm really interested in seeing Kenny Crider's Jeep-powered Piet kee p coming together. And although I may end up in a wheelchair before it hap pens=2C I'd sure like to see Steve Dortch finish up "FrankenPiet" and get i t flying to close that loop. This is why I stick around=2C along with wait ing for the old-timers to drop tasty crumbs of knowledge=2C links to "watch me make smoke!" and "a 10-minute flight around the patch" videos=2C all of it. Not slowly dying... just getting rested up for spring =3Bo) Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Medford=2C OR -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437147#437147 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:23:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: prop bolts From: "taildrags" Steve; What are you looking for in the way of prop bolts? Do you have a tapered shaft hub or a flanged hub? They take different bolts... the flanged hubs generally have drive lugs and the bolts go through the crush plate and prop before screwing into the threaded lugs. Those bolts require drilled heads so they can be safetied at the front. The tapered shaft hub, at least the one I had on Scout, had the bolts pointing threaded end forward, using castellated nuts and washers over the crush plate and being drilled for safety wire through the castellated nuts. I have a set of six brand-new and unflown AN6 prop bolts that were not the right length for my hub after I changed props. I can measure them and take a photo next time I'm at the hangar and if they'll work for you, I'll pop them in the mail to you. Let me know what you need. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437149#437149 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:27:49 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Empennage "How To" From: "Bill Church" File under: Unsolicited advice. Stumbled across an email I wrote up a few years ago in response to a friend's question regarding the method I used to approach building the empennage. Thought it may be of some use to anyone studying the plans and left scratching their head as to how the details work out on this item. So I edited it and threw it together into a document, which is attached, in PDF format. This isn't the only way to skin this cat - just an easier method. BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437153#437153 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/empennage_729.pdf ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: BPA and the List From: Dave Boyd Your comments and analysis are right on Jack. I poured over the list daily while I was building. I still scan it for tidbits. Somewhat ashamedly I don't make many inputs. In some cases I can't even remember how I did something myself when someone asks a question but as you said the archives will answer almost any question. I'm hoping to get NX7710J to Brodhead this year. I drove to Brodhead every year while building but since completing and flying the airplane in Nov. 2012 I have not been free to go for a variety of reasons. People who are building should be keeping the list alive and perhaps sharing where in the archives they found something, or that they are looking and can't find an answer. It is a great group. Lots of fun. Dave Boyd Champaign, IL ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:25:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? From: "Charles N. Campbell" With guys like you and me it won't go away! Keep building. The guys will be back. C On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 6:03 AM, aviken wrote: > > Say it ain't so JOE.... Just as a newcomer like me tasted the coolaid > and buried himself in t88 glue and spruce dust someone turns out the light? > I've been building for just over a year, I work on something every > day. I read this list at least once a day(usually check it multiple times > for new stuff. I am practically all alone here in Arkansas with only one > visitor from a builder, and hardly anyone else. This list is very > important to me for inspiration and knowledge. I made my first trip to > Brodhead last July, 9 days after having a heart attack and a stint > placement . So it is difficult for me to understand this list and the > Brodhead gathering to be in it's decline. > I could be putting stuff on the list more often than I do but I feel > that only important or unique things are wanted. > I just don't want to think that all this is going away just as I got > here. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437123#437123 > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:31:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? From: "AircamperN11MS" Hey all, you folks have all come out of the woodwork to remind us worry warts that the list is still strong. Thanks to all of you I won't run out of things to read. I am now a happy Air- Camper. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437161#437161 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Today's flight From: "AircamperN11MS" I flew for about 45 minutes today. Chris Tracy's brother David has a beautiful Pitts S2B. We flew in loose formation and he took some air to air pics. That's not easy to do with the huge speed differences. We had a great time. Here is one of the pics. Have a great weekend everyone. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437164#437164 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3280_635.jpg ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:40 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cold windy flying --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. If you're using HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found --- ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:58 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Empennage "How To" From: "Pocono John" Thank you! -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437165#437165 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:05 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engineering drawing / measurements of the aluminum hinges? From: Andrew Armstrong Hi, I've got a crazy idea to try printing out the hinges on a 3D printer - have the dimensions been posted somewhere? Found plenty of pictures, but no actual dimensions. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engineering drawing / measurements of the aluminum hinges? From: "taildrags" There are no engineering drawings for them although I started drawing them in wireframe in AutoCAD in hopes of having some molds made so I could have them extruded in Zytel. Too much trouble and cost, too low a demand for them. Here's a picture with a ruler on it for scale. I could take some dimensions if you were serious about wanting to make something accurate. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437188#437188 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/hinges3small_138.jpg ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:02 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:21 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Today's flight Keep her flying, Scott. Beautiful. Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Jan 17, 2015, at 4:39 PM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > > > I flew for about 45 minutes today. Chris Tracy's brother David has a beautiful Pitts S2B. We flew in loose formation and he took some air to air pics. That's not easy to do with the huge speed differences. We had a great time. Here is one of the pics. Have a great weekend everyone. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437164#437164 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3280_635.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:13 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Today's flight Keep her flying, Scott. Beautiful. Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Jan 17, 2015, at 4:39 PM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > > > I flew for about 45 minutes today. Chris Tracy's brother David has a beautiful Pitts S2B. We flew in loose formation and he took some air to air pics. That's not easy to do with the huge speed differences. We had a great time. Here is one of the pics. Have a great weekend everyone. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437164#437164 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3280_635.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:41 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? From: "tools" Is this list dead... Yes. Has been for years. It's the most antiquated forum software still active. Is the bpa dead. Yes. I gave more rides to guys building piets last year at brodhead than should be possible. The guys who host brodhead and the leadership of "piets" is completely disconnected. Paper based newsletters are a thing of the past. These are observations only. I don't have a solution, or I'd just do it. William w. Has offered and been rebutted by the "majority". There's not much more that can be offered anyway. I was the safety officer for the last a4 squadron in the navy, hell, not much more that could be done in that jet by that time, ya know? Just accept it. In the words of the vocal majority, use your search function! 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