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1. 01:38 AM - Re: Re: Engineering drawing / measurements of the aluminum hinges? (Jack)
2. 02:30 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools) (jarheadpilot82)
3. 03:49 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools) (aviken)
4. 04:08 AM - Re: Pietenpol posting (Charles N. Campbell)
5. 04:26 AM - Re: Pietenpol posting (Jack)
6. 05:22 AM - Re: Pietenpol posting (planes&bikes)
7. 05:41 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools) (tools)
8. 06:45 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Bill Church)
9. 06:59 AM - Re: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools) (Steven Dortch)
10. 07:30 AM - Re: Re: Engineering drawing / measurements of the aluminum hinges? (Jim Boyer)
11. 07:54 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools) (tools)
12. 11:03 AM - Re: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Ken Bickers)
13. 11:03 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol posting (Ray Krause)
14. 12:35 PM - Re: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Jack Philips)
15. 01:08 PM - Re: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools) (woodflier)
16. 01:20 PM - Re: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Dave Abramson)
17. 01:34 PM - Re: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Gary Boothe)
18. 01:38 PM - Re: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
19. 04:09 PM - New builder questions (Bruce Kirk)
20. 04:18 PM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools) (aviken)
21. 04:55 PM - Re: New builder questions (Gary Boothe)
22. 05:37 PM - Re: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Jack Philips)
23. 05:42 PM - Re: New builder questions (tools)
24. 05:42 PM - Re: New builder questions (gcardinal@comcast.net)
25. 06:17 PM - Re: Re: New builder questions (Jack Philips)
26. 07:03 PM - Fw: Progress in South Carolina (goffelectric@comcast.net)
27. 07:57 PM - Re: Fw: Progress in South Carolina (Ray Krause)
28. 08:08 PM - Weekend progress (Steven Dortch)
29. 08:09 PM - student mirror (Steven Dortch)
30. 09:33 PM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Bill Church)
31. 11:09 PM - On the value of flying those still building (long) (William Wynne)
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Subject: | Re: Engineering drawing / measurements of the aluminum |
hinges?
Oscar once again my friend you amaze me! Thanks!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
> On Jan 18, 2015, at 8:03 PM, "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Jack;
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> All of Ed Fisher's designs use wing ribs that have tubular aluminum spars at the leading and trailing edges, with various arrangements of bent aluminum shapes to form the rest of the pieces. They are strong and light. The key elements to them are the "widgets", as Ed calls them. These are the molded nylon66 wing rib attach fittings that I now sell. You can get the idea if you look at the first photo on this page: http://www.flysquirrel.net/Longster/longsterUL.html
>
> Some years ago, Ed made up a prototype wing rib for the Pietenpol using the widgets
and assembling the rib after his traditional style. He presented the rib
to Doc Mosher and a brief writeup on the rib appeared in a past issue of the
BPA Newsletter. I borrowed the rib from Doc and I have it in my hangar to use
as a go-by. Since then, I have made various parts and pieces of a cleaner
prototype rib for the Piet that also incorporates the gap-sealing hingeless aileron
method employed by Zenith on all of their ailerons, as well as an all-aluminum
aileron. My hybrid Piet rib and aileron would save the builder time and
effort, and perhaps weight, since aluminum ribs would also permit the use of
fabric clips to secure the fabric to the ribs in place of rib stitching. It's
all still in parts and in my head though and the one remaining part that I have
been unable to work out is bending an aluminum angle into the shape required
for the wing undercamber. Metal stretchers exist a!
> nd that might be the way to do it, but I've never worked with them so I'm still
stumped on how to bend metal in a way that stretches it. Ed's prototype wing
used a flat bottom airfoil similar to the USA35B that is used on the Cub and
others, so he didn't have any problem with his. Since I lean more towards maintaining
the traditional FC-10 airfoil shape, I'm determined to keep the wing
under camber.
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> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
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Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools) |
Ryan,
Here is my take on a couple of your questions. I know that you did not ask for
my opinion. You asked for Mikes, but I am happy to share mine without specifically
being asked to. It must be the Marine in me-
1. Is this list dead... Yes. Has been for years. It's the most antiquated forum
software still active.
Why do I get email versions of this forum that includes postings that I NEVER see
online? Tell me that I am doing something wrong in my settings, and I will
be glad to fix it. But it should not be that hard. Posting pictures is not easy.
The text goes off the page to where I am moving my screen like a typewriter
to read it. Again, it should not be this hard. The knowledge available here through
the online forum as well as the archives is great. The execution of the
platform is abysmal.
2. Is the bpa dead. Yes. I gave more rides to guys building piets last year at
brodhead than should be possible.
Knowing Tools the way that I do, I am guessing the reason he wrote that he flew
his tail off was because 1) he was enjoying it, and 2) there were far more people
interested in a ride than there were pilots willing to get involved in anything
other than laughin and scratchin with their Buds.
If the BPA is not dead, it certainly sounds like it was comatose that weekend.
Brodhead should be a combination of friends seeing old friends (of course), but
also making new friends and fostering NEW interest in the Pietenpol. To me,
it sounds like BPA fell far short in promoting that. if you want this forum and
the BPA to continue, then BPA must be more active in its inclusiveness of new
people.
3. The guys who host Brodhead and the leadership of "piets" is completely disconnected.
Paper based newsletters are a thing of the past.
Do you really want me to expound on this, Ryan? Tell me this then - who took over
BPA and its funds and publications when Dee and Doc Mosher stepped down? if
there is an association that wants to meet once a year, then there needs to be
better planning. If it is just going to be a bunch of people meeting up on a
Friday and Saturday once per year, and a newsletter that I cant get acknowledgement
of an address change that I have sent twice, then why am I paying dues
to an association?
I do like John Hofmanns ideas of races and social media. I just want to see these
ideas as well as other promises carried out.
I am sure some members will not be happy with my response, but you asked. And if
you did not want my response, and only Tools', you should have taken it off
line and emailed him directly or PMed him.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools) |
May I give the perspective of a Newbie.. I started building last November, I have
worked as much as possible and I am beginning to see the finish line.
This list is important to me, I check it at least twice daily. Yes I am often
disappointed that there is little activity , I would love to see new posts everyday,
but I don't post here often either. ( The reason?) It is difficult
to do for me and my limited computer skills to post pictures or links to video
and I learned early not to ask stupid questions.
I made my first trip to Brodhead this Summer even though I was recovering
from a heart attack and stint placement only 9 days before. I was amazed and
not disappointed. Being a naturally shy person I suppose I never had that
(I wana ride look ) But I did see many rides being given.
I would hate to think that just as I join something it is about to crumble
, I have had that happen before , all that the people could talk about is the
heyday that took place just before I came on scene.
So what's my point? I really don't know, See ya'll at Brodhead.
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol posting |
Don, nice looking airplane. I am almost to the point you are. I still
have to fabricate the landing gear and the wing struts. I have a set of
old Taylorcraft struts to use but have not gotten to the point of cutting
them off. Piet struts are much shorter. You should have it in the air by
warm weather. Where are you -- looks warm already. Chuck
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 5:16 PM, yb21701@juno.com <yb21701@juno.com> wrote:
> I read the site daily and have been helped all along the way (since 2012).
> My only prior input was a photo of construction progress about a year
> ago.This photo shows that I'm about ready for fabric - using Stewart System
> and Latex. I'll post information and photos of modifications I have
> incorporated, but ONLY AFTER they are proven in flight. Many thanks to
> Oscar Zuniga, Peter Johnson, and other particularly helpful contributors,
> and to Matt Dralle's site administration, including the FAQ & Archives
> (gold mine of information). Also thanks to BPA's Doc & Dee Mosher and John
> Hoffman (good info in the Newsletter). In my opinion, the Matronics
> Pietenpol site is not dead - far from it! Don Youngblood <
> yb21701@juno.com>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol posting |
Thanks for the pic Don, nice looking ship! Close to you in progress, althoug
h I have not tried to tie all the parts together, maybe this summer.
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
> On Jan 18, 2015, at 4:16 PM, "yb21701@juno.com" <yb21701@juno.com> wrote:
>
> I read the site daily and have been helped all along the way (since 2012).
My only prior input was a photo of construction progress about a year ago.T
his photo shows that I'm about ready for fabric - using Stewart System and L
atex. I'll post information and photos of modifications I have incorporated,
but ONLY AFTER they are proven in flight. Many thanks to Oscar Zuniga, Pete
r Johnson, and other particularly helpful contributors, and to Matt Dralle's
site administration, including the FAQ & Archives (gold mine of information
). Also thanks to BPA's Doc & Dee Mosher and John Hoffman (good info in the N
ewsletter). In my opinion, the Matronics Pietenpol site is not dead - far fr
om it! Don Youngblood <yb21701@juno.com>
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol posting |
Thanks for comments on the photo, taken at Pickens County Airport, SC; I used CESSNA
axles, wheels & brakes, modified MATCO tailwheel, CARLSON lift & jury struts,
WICKS steel cabanes. DON'S DREAM MACHINES Cont.A-75 w/SENSENICH prop, most
everything else from AIRCRAFT SPRUCE.
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Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools) |
I'm not chicken little and the sky is not falling. The Piet will always be one
of the best planes to build, and largely because of the type of folks who like
it.
However, the bpa, itself, is probably not gonna be a big factor.
This bulletin board is simply miserable. I think many of the problems are simply
software related. Someone will step up with a decent vehicle eventually.
Brodhead, corvair colleges, and get togethers coupled with archival websites are
still fantastic.
Tools
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Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
Ken,
Smile, son. Never disconcert the masses.
BC
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Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools) |
You can always tell a Marine!
But you can't tell him much!
LOL
Hey Jarhead, I understand the limitations of the Piet list. But everyone
meets here.
A group of old vets in Amarillo always met a an old coffee shop. The
caf=C3=A9 got bad and they decided not to meet there and to move. It took m
onths
to gather everyone at a new location.
Old men don't take change well. And that is even worse with the list. We
have a lot of old curmudgeons (there I said it.)
I fear that the list could get scattered.
The Beechcraft crowd is split into two (or more) groups, I don't partake in
Beechtalk because they are all rich guys who run at every problem with
their checkbook. I do participate in the Beech List. more down to earth and
willing to discuss CSOB (Cheap Son of a Beech) options on items. (Some
participate in both) BUT I was lucky to stumble across the list.
I would like to see our list improve but I don't want to throw the baby out
with the bathwater. IF we can figure out a way to do so, I will move.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 4:29 AM, jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com
>
wrote:
> jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
> Ryan,
>
> Here is my take on a couple of your questions. I know that you did not as
k
> for my opinion. You asked for Mike=99s, but I am happy to share min
e without
> specifically being asked to. It must be the Marine in me-
>
> 1. =9CIs this list dead... Yes. Has been for years. It's the most a
ntiquated
> forum software still active.=9D
>
> Why do I get email versions of this forum that includes postings that I
> NEVER see online? Tell me that I am doing something wrong in my settings,
> and I will be glad to fix it. But it should not be that hard. Posting
> pictures is not easy. The text goes off the page to where I am moving my
> screen like a typewriter to read it. Again, it should not be this hard. T
he
> knowledge available here through the online forum as well as the archives
> is great. The execution of the platform is abysmal.
>
> 2. =9CIs the bpa dead. Yes. I gave more rides to guys building piet
s last
> year at brodhead than should be possible.=9D
>
> Knowing Tools the way that I do, I am guessing the reason he wrote that h
e
> flew his tail off was because 1) he was enjoying it, and 2) there were fa
r
> more people interested in a ride than there were pilots willing to get
> involved in anything other than =9Claughin=99 and scratchin
=99 with their Buds=9D.
>
> If the BPA is not dead, it certainly sounds like it was comatose that
> weekend. Brodhead should be a combination of friends seeing old friends (
of
> course), but also making new friends and fostering NEW interest in the
> Pietenpol. To me, it sounds like BPA fell far short in promoting that. if
> you want this forum and the BPA to continue, then BPA must be more active
> in its inclusiveness of new people.
>
> 3. =9CThe guys who host Brodhead and the leadership of "piets" is c
ompletely
> disconnected. Paper based newsletters are a thing of the past.=9D
>
> Do you really want me to expound on this, Ryan? Tell me this then - who
> took over BPA and its funds and publications when Dee and Doc Mosher
> stepped down? if there is an association that wants to meet once a year,
> then there needs to be better planning. If it is just going to be a bunch
> of people meeting up on a Friday and Saturday once per year, and a
> newsletter that I can=99t get acknowledgement of an address change
that I
> have sent twice, then why am I paying dues to an =9Cassociation
=9D?
>
> I do like John Hofmann=99s ideas of races and social media. I just
want to
> see these ideas as well as other promises carried out.
>
> I am sure some members will not be happy with my response, but you asked.
> And if you did not want my response, and only Tools', you should have tak
en
> it off line and emailed him directly or PMed him.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437239#437239
>
>
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>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Subject: | Re: Engineering drawing / measurements of the aluminum |
hinges?
Hey Oscar; a very interesting set of photos. I had not seen any of them before
so thank you for posting them.
Jim B.
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Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools) |
The original question is, is this list dying? I contend that it is.
If I'm wrong, disregard, all is well.
Consider that the previous ten technical questions have elicited one or two pertinent
responses each... About normal. Over about a week or two. This thread
generated over forty responses in two days....
I really don't think I'm the only one who thinks it really is about done.
It's not membership based, merely an internet address. A better bulletin board
program would only require folks to go to that address rather than this one.
It's not a big deal.
I've seen several very successful groups go from email lists, to a yahoo group,
to early stand alone bulletin board software, to later better software, with
a loss of NO archival information or membership base.
Good software enhances discussion by making searching, reading, organizing user
friendly.
This software is so bad there's no way to determine if it's the participants or
the programming itself that causes poor participation. I suspect it's bad enough
to certainly be a big factor in why it's going downhill. It clearly has
caused problems because not everyone sees all responses. You simply can't communicate
with that problem alone. The typewriter effect simply causes many to
not even WANT to read all responses.
Good software would also promote effective moderation which IS critical. I emailed
Matt dralle directly about that shortfall and never even got a response.
Tools
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Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
Thanks, BC.
Who knows, maybe this is just a "piece a cake, Ezra".
Cheers, Ken
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
> Ken,
>
> Smile, son. Never disconcert the masses.
>
> BC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437247#437247
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol posting |
Thanks for the photos. Beautiful, works of art!
Please be sure to include your name so we know who you are.
Thanks,
Ray Krause
Building Sky Scout...slowly
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 19, 2015, at 5:21 AM, planes&bikes <yb21701@juno.com> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for comments on the photo, taken at Pickens County Airport, SC; I used
CESSNA axles, wheels & brakes, modified MATCO tailwheel, CARLSON lift & jury
struts, WICKS steel cabanes. DON'S DREAM MACHINES Cont.A-75 w/SENSENICH prop,
most everything else from AIRCRAFT SPRUCE.
>
> --------
> Planes&Bikes
>
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Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
=9CIt=99s gonna be a monoplane=9D
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Bickers
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Thanks, BC.
Who knows, maybe this is just a "piece a cake, Ezra".
Cheers, Ken
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca
<mailto:billspiet@sympatico.ca> > wrote:
<billspiet@sympatico.ca <mailto:billspiet@sympatico.ca> >
Ken,
Smile, son. Never disconcert the masses.
BC
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Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools) |
Kenny, are you planning on Brodhead this year, whether or no
t you are finished with your Piet?=0A=0A=0AMatt Paxton=0A=0A=0A=0A
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"WHAT" "You're building me an airplane with just one wing"
Dave A.
Santa Maria, Ca.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jack
Philips
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 12:34 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
=9CIt=99s gonna be a monoplane=9D
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Bickers
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 2:03 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Thanks, BC.
Who knows, maybe this is just a "piece a cake, Ezra".
Cheers, Ken
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
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Ken,
Smile, son. Never disconcert the masses.
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=9Ceven I could do an outside loopbut, then,
I=99m a superb pilot!=9D
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Philips
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 12:34 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
=9CIt=99s gonna be a monoplane=9D
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Bickers
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Thanks, BC.
Who knows, maybe this is just a "piece a cake, Ezra".
Cheers, Ken
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wrote:
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Ken,
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BC
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its an inferior model but it will suit my purpose
In a message dated 1/19/2015 4:36:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
gboothe5@comcast.net writes:
=9Ceven I could do an outside loopbut, then, I
=99m a superb pilot!=9D
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ips
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 12:34 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
=9CIt=99s gonna be a monoplane=9D
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: _owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com_
(mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com)
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bicke
rs
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Thanks, BC.
Who knows, maybe this is just a "piece a cake, Ezra".
Cheers, Ken
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Hi everyoneI am thinking about building a Pietenpol, but before I leap into the
project there are a couple of questions I hope someone can answer. 1. are there
alternate plans for spars other than solid spars that are routed, What about
spars that are built up.2. are there alternate struts made of aluminum if so
what size?Thanks Bruce kirkbrucekirk@ymail.com
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Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools) |
I am planning on being at Brodhead again this year airplane finished or not.
I do wish the date wouldn't have moved earlier in july, but I will make allowances....
I truly hope to fly but who knows.
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Subject: | New builder questions |
Bruce,
Just curiousAre those the two questions that are keeping you
from leaping in? If sowhy? BTW, the answer is
=98Yes=99 & =98Yes=99.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce
Kirk
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 4:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New builder questions
Hi everyone
I am thinking about building a Pietenpol, but before I leap into the
project there are a couple of questions I hope someone can answer.
1. are there alternate plans for spars other than solid spars that are
routed, What about spars that are built up.
2. are there alternate struts made of aluminum if so what size?
Thanks
Bruce kirk
brucekirk@ymail.com
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=9CThe Biplane=99s as dead as the dodo!=9D
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Abramson
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 4:20 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
"WHAT" "You're building me an airplane with just one wing"
Dave A.
Santa Maria, Ca.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jack
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Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 12:34 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
=9CIt=99s gonna be a monoplane=9D
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Bickers
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Thanks, BC.
Who knows, maybe this is just a "piece a cake, Ezra".
Cheers, Ken
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca
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Subject: | Re: New builder questions |
You're gonna have to do some research on other than solid routed spars. Aren't
plans for them for sale or available as a supplement per se.
English Piet builders use a built up spar. I think they have to, so that's one
good place to start.
A bunch of guys, myself included have used the small struts from Carlson with great
success. A full set will run you under three fifty so they're a good deal.
I built a set in a couple days, not really complicated. Quite a few here
can supply pics and details.
Google Carlson aluminum aircraft struts for their site.
Tools
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Subject: | Re: New builder questions |
Bruce,
Check out the Construction section at westcoastpiet.com where you will find a couple
of built-up spar articles.
Carlson aircraft sells aluminum struts. Use the small size.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Kirk <brucekirk@ymail.com>
Sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 00:09:29 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New builder questions
Hi everyoneI am thinking about building a Pietenpol, but before I leap into the
project there are a couple of questions I hope someone can answer. 1. are there
alternate plans for spars other than solid spars that are routed, What about
spars that are built up.2. are there alternate struts made of aluminum if so
what size?Thanks Bruce kirkbrucekirk@ymail.com
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Subject: | Re: New builder questions |
A number of people have used built up spars, including Mike Cuy. And as
Tools said, a number of people are currently building with the Carlson
aluminum spars. But as cheap as they are, it can be even cheaper to use old
Piper lift struts. I found two sets of J-3 lift struts that had been
removed due to rust in the lower ends. Since Pietenpol struts are about 2
feet shorter than J-3 struts, you can cut off the lower end and get into
clean, rust free steel. Since those struts were considered un-airworthy for
the Cub, they were given to me. Can't beat that for low price.
Welcome to the wonderful world of Pietenpols and Pietenpeople. If possible,
plan to come to Brodhead this summer to see as many different examples of
the type as possible.
Where are you located?
Good luck,
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Subject: | Fwd: Progress in South Carolina |
Attached is a picture of one elevator covered on January 1st, still have to rib
stitch and perimeter tape but we are moving forward. Ran my engine at corvair
college in Barnwell.
Keith goff
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Sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 02:53:46 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Elevators
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Subject: | Re: Fwd: Progress in South Carolina |
Keith,
Hey, I'm right there with you! I got both elevators finished today, still ha
ve the cement on my fingers, as I'm typing. The verticals are done and I'm s
tarting on horizontal stabilizer tomorrow.
How do you eat an elephant, one bite at a time!
Ray Krause
Building a Sky Scout.
=46rom two day ago
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
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> Attached is a picture of one elevator covered on January 1st, still have t
o rib stitch and perimeter tape but we are moving forward. Ran my engine at c
orvair college in Barnwell.
>
> Keith goff
>
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Subject: | Weekend progress |
OK this weekend I did the following:
made and installed the pulleys for my aileron cables. Included working out
problems with routing
Made front shoulder harness attachment (needs painting)
Installed cotter keys in throttle system (need to take a set of dykes to
cut off ends)
Next are:
Stripping and painting some inspection covers.
Getting prop bolts,
Installing my data plate (any suggestions, I am thinking about in front
cockpit on the side.
Making an aluminium cover for my wing tank.
making and installing a small cover for a square side access hole
The on to the rest of the list.
Bugle is playing Call to quarters. So I need to get to bed.
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Has anyone installed a mirror so that the pilot and the Pax can see each
other, Like in a Stearman?
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
You know, I really don't get all the recent complaining about this List. So the
forum technology is a few years old - big deal. The airplane design is more
than 85 years old, and most people are able to build a perfectly good airplane
from the plans. I really don't think that more up to date software would make
any real difference. I personally haven't experienced any frustration in searching
for answers in the archives. Compare the convenience of accessing this
forum with the way things would have been done 20 years ago. Some may say
that paper newsletters are a thing of the past - well so are open cockpit wooden
airplanes.
Furthermore, let's keep in mind that this forum is presented without membership
fees, and yet is still free of advertising. The sole source of funding for the
equipment and operating costs is through donations. Anyone may contribute
to the discussion, whether they have contributed financially or not.
And regarding newcomers posting questions that have been posted numerous times
in the past - this is to be expected. However, this can be an opportunity for
newer members, who often say that they feel that they have little to contribute
(due to lack of personal experience,) to step in and provide the answers.
There are no rules that say that all questions have to be answered by the "old
guard."
Bill C.
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Subject: | On the value of flying those still building (long) |
I wrote my first Corvair conversion manual when I was 28. When it was done, with
some hesitation, I put a little ad in the back of EAA's "light plane world".
I didn't expect anyone to want one. Ancient engine brought to you by long haired
college student. I was somewhat stunned to find the first letter in the mail
box, from some guy named Ralph in Wisconsin, building a Pietenpol.
I spent a long evening sipping a beer and looking at the short note from 'Ralph'
and manual #1 on my desk. I started to write an apology letter to 'Ralph' several
times, explaining that I was just an Embry-Riddle student, and he had obviously
mistaken me for some real person in aviation. Really, he was going to
get manual #1, not very confidence inspiring. After several hours I decided that
this was mostly my issues, not 'Ralphs'. I did cave in and write 10 in front
of the #1 to make #101 and at least look like he wasn't the only guy on earth
read my advice on building an engine. Not much of a crime, but in the years
that followed, I often wondered what kind of a guy he was to blindly get a book
from another person he never heard of.
Fast forward to Brodhead 2000. We had a very long day of giving rides there, something
of a small payback for years of feeling that Pietenpols were my home in
Homebuilding. We went from sun up to sunset, maybe 20 flights, easier with two
pilots, a ground crew of friends and an electric start plane.
Having flown up from Florida the day before, we were zapped by the time the sun
was sinking. I very nice quiet woman walked over to me while Arnold was flying
the last person and asked that her husband might have a flight. She understood
that we were tired, but her husband would never ask, so she was doing this
for him, he had been building for many years, but had never flown in a Piet. I
was just about to apologize and say maybe next year, when she added the sentence
"My husband Ralph and I drove over from Eau Claire." I politely said "Mrs.
Carlson, it would be a pleasure." She was some what mystified on how I knew her
last name........
After the flight I was compelled to confess to Ralph Carlson that he had the first
conversion manual I ever sent out. Several times he insisted he didn't, saying
"it's number 110 or 111" I told him there was a very good reason why I knew
it was #101, and yes, it was really #1. I try to explain that in the intervening
years I have worked hard to try to be the person he thought he was sending
the letter to. He is a super nice guy and he doesn't really get this. He just
had a great moment in flying, and was totally motivated to go home and build
for another year. He said he thought about asking someone for a flight over
the years, but didn't think he had 'earned' one, that he was 'just another builder.'
I told him contrary to what anyone might guess, I completely understood
that feeling.
Over the years Grace and I got to know the Carlsons, both Ralph and June, much
better. We were part of the regulars at the Sutherland's B&B in Brodhead. They
were the absolute genuine article, salt of the earth Americans. They sent Christmas
cards and notes, and June used to call sometimes. Over many years her health
failed slowly, and we got to see that Ralph understood that when you say
"in sickness or in health" in front of God, good people live up to it. He did,
with great patience and care.
June has been past for several years, and we don't see Ralph at Brodhead every
year anymore, but in the quiet late hours in the shop, I still think about them
from time to time, and how their lives crossed with ours. At Corvair Colleges
I take the pilots aside and encourage them to share flights with those still
building. I give them good reasons like how it gives builders a seat of the pants
understanding of correct operation and running, teaches procedures and methods.
Logical reasons, sure, but they are just a rationalization, what I really
want to say is that many of the best parts of life are small chance encounters
and what you do with them. I want to say that my life is richer for having
known June Carlson, and it all happened because one small flight at Brodhead.
Think it over, you have the rest of your life to live with the answer. -ww.
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