Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Mon 01/19/15


Total Messages Posted: 31



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     1. 01:38 AM - Re: Re: Engineering drawing / measurements of the aluminum hinges? (Jack)
     2. 02:30 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools) (jarheadpilot82)
     3. 03:49 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools) (aviken)
     4. 04:08 AM - Re: Pietenpol posting (Charles N. Campbell)
     5. 04:26 AM - Re: Pietenpol posting (Jack)
     6. 05:22 AM - Re: Pietenpol posting (planes&bikes)
     7. 05:41 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools) (tools)
     8. 06:45 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Bill Church)
     9. 06:59 AM - Re: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools) (Steven Dortch)
    10. 07:30 AM - Re: Re: Engineering drawing / measurements of the aluminum hinges? (Jim Boyer)
    11. 07:54 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools) (tools)
    12. 11:03 AM - Re: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Ken Bickers)
    13. 11:03 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol posting (Ray Krause)
    14. 12:35 PM - Re: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Jack Philips)
    15. 01:08 PM - Re: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools) (woodflier)
    16. 01:20 PM - Re: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Dave Abramson)
    17. 01:34 PM - Re: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Gary Boothe)
    18. 01:38 PM - Re: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
    19. 04:09 PM - New builder questions (Bruce Kirk)
    20. 04:18 PM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools) (aviken)
    21. 04:55 PM - Re: New builder questions (Gary Boothe)
    22. 05:37 PM - Re: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Jack Philips)
    23. 05:42 PM - Re: New builder questions (tools)
    24. 05:42 PM - Re: New builder questions (gcardinal@comcast.net)
    25. 06:17 PM - Re: Re: New builder questions (Jack Philips)
    26. 07:03 PM - Fw: Progress in South Carolina (goffelectric@comcast.net)
    27. 07:57 PM - Re: Fw: Progress in South Carolina (Ray Krause)
    28. 08:08 PM - Weekend progress (Steven Dortch)
    29. 08:09 PM - student mirror (Steven Dortch)
    30. 09:33 PM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Bill Church)
    31. 11:09 PM - On the value of flying those still building (long) (William Wynne)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:38:34 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Engineering drawing / measurements of the aluminum
    hinges?
    From: Jack <jack@textors.com>
    Oscar once again my friend you amaze me! Thanks! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Jan 18, 2015, at 8:03 PM, "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Jack; > > All of Ed Fisher's designs use wing ribs that have tubular aluminum spars at the leading and trailing edges, with various arrangements of bent aluminum shapes to form the rest of the pieces. They are strong and light. The key elements to them are the "widgets", as Ed calls them. These are the molded nylon66 wing rib attach fittings that I now sell. You can get the idea if you look at the first photo on this page: http://www.flysquirrel.net/Longster/longsterUL.html > > Some years ago, Ed made up a prototype wing rib for the Pietenpol using the widgets and assembling the rib after his traditional style. He presented the rib to Doc Mosher and a brief writeup on the rib appeared in a past issue of the BPA Newsletter. I borrowed the rib from Doc and I have it in my hangar to use as a go-by. Since then, I have made various parts and pieces of a cleaner prototype rib for the Piet that also incorporates the gap-sealing hingeless aileron method employed by Zenith on all of their ailerons, as well as an all-aluminum aileron. My hybrid Piet rib and aileron would save the builder time and effort, and perhaps weight, since aluminum ribs would also permit the use of fabric clips to secure the fabric to the ribs in place of rib stitching. It's all still in parts and in my head though and the one remaining part that I have been unable to work out is bending an aluminum angle into the shape required for the wing undercamber. Metal stretchers exist a! > nd that might be the way to do it, but I've never worked with them so I'm still stumped on how to bend metal in a way that stretches it. Ed's prototype wing used a flat bottom airfoil similar to the USA35B that is used on the Cub and others, so he didn't have any problem with his. Since I lean more towards maintaining the traditional FC-10 airfoil shape, I'm determined to keep the wing under camber. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437224#437224 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 02:30:23 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools)
    From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
    Ryan, Here is my take on a couple of your questions. I know that you did not ask for my opinion. You asked for Mikes, but I am happy to share mine without specifically being asked to. It must be the Marine in me- 1. Is this list dead... Yes. Has been for years. It's the most antiquated forum software still active. Why do I get email versions of this forum that includes postings that I NEVER see online? Tell me that I am doing something wrong in my settings, and I will be glad to fix it. But it should not be that hard. Posting pictures is not easy. The text goes off the page to where I am moving my screen like a typewriter to read it. Again, it should not be this hard. The knowledge available here through the online forum as well as the archives is great. The execution of the platform is abysmal. 2. Is the bpa dead. Yes. I gave more rides to guys building piets last year at brodhead than should be possible. Knowing Tools the way that I do, I am guessing the reason he wrote that he flew his tail off was because 1) he was enjoying it, and 2) there were far more people interested in a ride than there were pilots willing to get involved in anything other than laughin and scratchin with their Buds. If the BPA is not dead, it certainly sounds like it was comatose that weekend. Brodhead should be a combination of friends seeing old friends (of course), but also making new friends and fostering NEW interest in the Pietenpol. To me, it sounds like BPA fell far short in promoting that. if you want this forum and the BPA to continue, then BPA must be more active in its inclusiveness of new people. 3. The guys who host Brodhead and the leadership of "piets" is completely disconnected. Paper based newsletters are a thing of the past. Do you really want me to expound on this, Ryan? Tell me this then - who took over BPA and its funds and publications when Dee and Doc Mosher stepped down? if there is an association that wants to meet once a year, then there needs to be better planning. If it is just going to be a bunch of people meeting up on a Friday and Saturday once per year, and a newsletter that I cant get acknowledgement of an address change that I have sent twice, then why am I paying dues to an association? I do like John Hofmanns ideas of races and social media. I just want to see these ideas as well as other promises carried out. I am sure some members will not be happy with my response, but you asked. And if you did not want my response, and only Tools', you should have taken it off line and emailed him directly or PMed him. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437239#437239


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    Time: 03:49:32 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools)
    From: "aviken" <aviken@windstream.net>
    May I give the perspective of a Newbie.. I started building last November, I have worked as much as possible and I am beginning to see the finish line. This list is important to me, I check it at least twice daily. Yes I am often disappointed that there is little activity , I would love to see new posts everyday, but I don't post here often either. ( The reason?) It is difficult to do for me and my limited computer skills to post pictures or links to video and I learned early not to ask stupid questions. I made my first trip to Brodhead this Summer even though I was recovering from a heart attack and stint placement only 9 days before. I was amazed and not disappointed. Being a naturally shy person I suppose I never had that (I wana ride look ) But I did see many rides being given. I would hate to think that just as I join something it is about to crumble , I have had that happen before , all that the people could talk about is the heyday that took place just before I came on scene. So what's my point? I really don't know, See ya'll at Brodhead. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437240#437240


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    Time: 04:08:07 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol posting
    From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924@gmail.com>
    Don, nice looking airplane. I am almost to the point you are. I still have to fabricate the landing gear and the wing struts. I have a set of old Taylorcraft struts to use but have not gotten to the point of cutting them off. Piet struts are much shorter. You should have it in the air by warm weather. Where are you -- looks warm already. Chuck On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 5:16 PM, yb21701@juno.com <yb21701@juno.com> wrote: > I read the site daily and have been helped all along the way (since 2012). > My only prior input was a photo of construction progress about a year > ago.This photo shows that I'm about ready for fabric - using Stewart System > and Latex. I'll post information and photos of modifications I have > incorporated, but ONLY AFTER they are proven in flight. Many thanks to > Oscar Zuniga, Peter Johnson, and other particularly helpful contributors, > and to Matt Dralle's site administration, including the FAQ & Archives > (gold mine of information). Also thanks to BPA's Doc & Dee Mosher and John > Hoffman (good info in the Newsletter). In my opinion, the Matronics > Pietenpol site is not dead - far from it! Don Youngblood < > yb21701@juno.com> > > > ____________________________________________________________ > *What's your flood risk?* > Find flood maps, interactive tools, FAQs, and agents in your area. > <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3132/54bc310eb9ef5310e62f7st02vuc> > floodsmart.gov > <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3132/54bc310eb9ef5310e62f7st02vuc>


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    Time: 04:26:03 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol posting
    From: Jack <jack@textors.com>
    Thanks for the pic Don, nice looking ship! Close to you in progress, althoug h I have not tried to tie all the parts together, maybe this summer. Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Jan 18, 2015, at 4:16 PM, "yb21701@juno.com" <yb21701@juno.com> wrote: > > I read the site daily and have been helped all along the way (since 2012). My only prior input was a photo of construction progress about a year ago.T his photo shows that I'm about ready for fabric - using Stewart System and L atex. I'll post information and photos of modifications I have incorporated, but ONLY AFTER they are proven in flight. Many thanks to Oscar Zuniga, Pete r Johnson, and other particularly helpful contributors, and to Matt Dralle's site administration, including the FAQ & Archives (gold mine of information ). Also thanks to BPA's Doc & Dee Mosher and John Hoffman (good info in the N ewsletter). In my opinion, the Matronics Pietenpol site is not dead - far fr om it! Don Youngblood <yb21701@juno.com> > > > ____________________________________________________________ > What's your flood risk? > Find flood maps, interactive tools, FAQs, and agents in your area. > floodsmart.gov > <IMAG0403 (640x480).jpg>


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    Time: 05:22:15 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol posting
    From: "planes&amp;bikes" <yb21701@juno.com>
    Thanks for comments on the photo, taken at Pickens County Airport, SC; I used CESSNA axles, wheels & brakes, modified MATCO tailwheel, CARLSON lift & jury struts, WICKS steel cabanes. DON'S DREAM MACHINES Cont.A-75 w/SENSENICH prop, most everything else from AIRCRAFT SPRUCE. -------- Planes&amp;Bikes Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437244#437244 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/64760018_188.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/64760040_179.jpg


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    Time: 05:41:52 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools)
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    I'm not chicken little and the sky is not falling. The Piet will always be one of the best planes to build, and largely because of the type of folks who like it. However, the bpa, itself, is probably not gonna be a big factor. This bulletin board is simply miserable. I think many of the problems are simply software related. Someone will step up with a decent vehicle eventually. Brodhead, corvair colleges, and get togethers coupled with archival websites are still fantastic. Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437245#437245


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    Time: 06:45:15 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    Ken, Smile, son. Never disconcert the masses. BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437247#437247


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    Time: 06:59:13 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools)
    From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
    You can always tell a Marine! But you can't tell him much! LOL Hey Jarhead, I understand the limitations of the Piet list. But everyone meets here. A group of old vets in Amarillo always met a an old coffee shop. The caf=C3=A9 got bad and they decided not to meet there and to move. It took m onths to gather everyone at a new location. Old men don't take change well. And that is even worse with the list. We have a lot of old curmudgeons (there I said it.) I fear that the list could get scattered. The Beechcraft crowd is split into two (or more) groups, I don't partake in Beechtalk because they are all rich guys who run at every problem with their checkbook. I do participate in the Beech List. more down to earth and willing to discuss CSOB (Cheap Son of a Beech) options on items. (Some participate in both) BUT I was lucky to stumble across the list. I would like to see our list improve but I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. IF we can figure out a way to do so, I will move. Blue Skies, Steve D On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 4:29 AM, jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com > wrote: > jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com> > > Ryan, > > Here is my take on a couple of your questions. I know that you did not as k > for my opinion. You asked for Mike=99s, but I am happy to share min e without > specifically being asked to. It must be the Marine in me- > > 1. =9CIs this list dead... Yes. Has been for years. It's the most a ntiquated > forum software still active.=9D > > Why do I get email versions of this forum that includes postings that I > NEVER see online? Tell me that I am doing something wrong in my settings, > and I will be glad to fix it. But it should not be that hard. Posting > pictures is not easy. The text goes off the page to where I am moving my > screen like a typewriter to read it. Again, it should not be this hard. T he > knowledge available here through the online forum as well as the archives > is great. The execution of the platform is abysmal. > > 2. =9CIs the bpa dead. Yes. I gave more rides to guys building piet s last > year at brodhead than should be possible.=9D > > Knowing Tools the way that I do, I am guessing the reason he wrote that h e > flew his tail off was because 1) he was enjoying it, and 2) there were fa r > more people interested in a ride than there were pilots willing to get > involved in anything other than =9Claughin=99 and scratchin =99 with their Buds=9D. > > If the BPA is not dead, it certainly sounds like it was comatose that > weekend. Brodhead should be a combination of friends seeing old friends ( of > course), but also making new friends and fostering NEW interest in the > Pietenpol. To me, it sounds like BPA fell far short in promoting that. if > you want this forum and the BPA to continue, then BPA must be more active > in its inclusiveness of new people. > > 3. =9CThe guys who host Brodhead and the leadership of "piets" is c ompletely > disconnected. Paper based newsletters are a thing of the past.=9D > > Do you really want me to expound on this, Ryan? Tell me this then - who > took over BPA and its funds and publications when Dee and Doc Mosher > stepped down? if there is an association that wants to meet once a year, > then there needs to be better planning. If it is just going to be a bunch > of people meeting up on a Friday and Saturday once per year, and a > newsletter that I can=99t get acknowledgement of an address change that I > have sent twice, then why am I paying dues to an =9Cassociation =9D? > > I do like John Hofmann=99s ideas of races and social media. I just want to > see these ideas as well as other promises carried out. > > I am sure some members will not be happy with my response, but you asked. > And if you did not want my response, and only Tools', you should have tak en > it off line and emailed him directly or PMed him. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437239#437239 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D


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    Time: 07:30:33 AM PST US
    From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Engineering drawing / measurements of the aluminum
    hinges? Hey Oscar; a very interesting set of photos. I had not seen any of them before so thank you for posting them. Jim B.


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    Time: 07:54:00 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools)
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    The original question is, is this list dying? I contend that it is. If I'm wrong, disregard, all is well. Consider that the previous ten technical questions have elicited one or two pertinent responses each... About normal. Over about a week or two. This thread generated over forty responses in two days.... I really don't think I'm the only one who thinks it really is about done. It's not membership based, merely an internet address. A better bulletin board program would only require folks to go to that address rather than this one. It's not a big deal. I've seen several very successful groups go from email lists, to a yahoo group, to early stand alone bulletin board software, to later better software, with a loss of NO archival information or membership base. Good software enhances discussion by making searching, reading, organizing user friendly. This software is so bad there's no way to determine if it's the participants or the programming itself that causes poor participation. I suspect it's bad enough to certainly be a big factor in why it's going downhill. It clearly has caused problems because not everyone sees all responses. You simply can't communicate with that problem alone. The typewriter effect simply causes many to not even WANT to read all responses. Good software would also promote effective moderation which IS critical. I emailed Matt dralle directly about that shortfall and never even got a response. Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437250#437250


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    Time: 11:03:15 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
    From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
    Thanks, BC. Who knows, maybe this is just a "piece a cake, Ezra". Cheers, Ken On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote: > billspiet@sympatico.ca> > > Ken, > > Smile, son. Never disconcert the masses. > > BC > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437247#437247 > >


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    Time: 11:03:18 AM PST US
    From: Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol posting
    Thanks for the photos. Beautiful, works of art! Please be sure to include your name so we know who you are. Thanks, Ray Krause Building Sky Scout...slowly Sent from my iPad > On Jan 19, 2015, at 5:21 AM, planes&amp;bikes <yb21701@juno.com> wrote: > > > Thanks for comments on the photo, taken at Pickens County Airport, SC; I used CESSNA axles, wheels & brakes, modified MATCO tailwheel, CARLSON lift & jury struts, WICKS steel cabanes. DON'S DREAM MACHINES Cont.A-75 w/SENSENICH prop, most everything else from AIRCRAFT SPRUCE. > > -------- > Planes&amp;Bikes > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437244#437244 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/64760018_188.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/64760040_179.jpg > > > > > > >


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    Time: 12:35:41 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Philips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
    Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
    =9CIt=99s gonna be a monoplane=9D Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 2:03 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? Thanks, BC. Who knows, maybe this is just a "piece a cake, Ezra". Cheers, Ken On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca <mailto:billspiet@sympatico.ca> > wrote: <billspiet@sympatico.ca <mailto:billspiet@sympatico.ca> > Ken, Smile, son. Never disconcert the masses. BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437247#437247 br> fts!) r> > com" target="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com> w.buildersbooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks.com> p.com" target="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com> e.com" target="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com> " target="_blank">www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -Matt Dralle, List Admin. br> enpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List FORUMS - _blank">http://forums.matronics.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com> <http://www.buildersbooks.com> <http://www.homebuilthelp.com> <http://www.mypilotstore.com>


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    Time: 01:08:12 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools)
    From: woodflier <woodflier@aol.com>
    Kenny, are you planning on Brodhead this year, whether or no t you are finished with your Piet?=0A=0A=0AMatt Paxton=0A=0A=0A=0A -----Original Message-----=0AFrom: aviken <aviken@windstream.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Mon, Jan 19, 201 5 6:49 am=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slo aviken" <aviken@windstream.net>=0A=0AMay I give the perspective of a Newbie.. I started building last November, I =0Ahave work ed as much as possible and I am beginning to see the fin ish line. =0AThis list is important to me, I check it at least twice daily. Yes I am often =0Adisappointed tha t there is little activity , I would love to see new pos ts =0Aeveryday, but I don't post here often either. ( The reason?) It is difficult =0Ato do for me and my limite d computer skills to post pictures or links to video =0Aand I learned early not to ask stupid questions.=0A I made my first trip to Brodhead this Summer even though I was recovering =0Afrom a heart attack and stint placement only 9 days before. I was amazed and =0Anot disappointed. Being a naturally shy person I suppose I never had tha t (I =0Awana ride look ) But I did see many rides bei ng given. =0A I would hate to think that just as I join something it is about to crumble , =0AI have had that happen before , all that the people could talk about is the =0Aheyday that took place just before I came on scene. =0A So what's my point? I really don't know, See ya'll at Brodhead.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this t opic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437240# =========================== November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on=0A =========================== =========================== =========================== ===========================0A =========================== =========================== ====0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A


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    Time: 01:20:34 PM PST US
    From: "Dave Abramson" <davea@symbolicdisplays.com>
    Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
    "WHAT" "You're building me an airplane with just one wing" Dave A. Santa Maria, Ca. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jack Philips Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 12:34 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? =9CIt=99s gonna be a monoplane=9D Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 2:03 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? Thanks, BC. Who knows, maybe this is just a "piece a cake, Ezra". Cheers, Ken On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote: <billspiet@sympatico.ca> Ken, Smile, son. Never disconcert the masses. BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437247#437247 ========== br> fts!) r> > com" target="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com w.buildersbooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com p.com" target="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com e.com" target="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com " target="_blank">www.mrrace.com target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ========== br> enpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== FORUMS - _blank">http://forums.matronics.com ========== www.aeroelectric.comwww.buildersbooks.comwww.homebuilthelp.comwww.mypilot store.comwww.mrrace.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 01:34:39 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
    =9Ceven I could do an outside loopbut, then, I=99m a superb pilot!=9D From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Philips Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 12:34 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? =9CIt=99s gonna be a monoplane=9D Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 2:03 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? Thanks, BC. Who knows, maybe this is just a "piece a cake, Ezra". Cheers, Ken On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote: <billspiet@sympatico.ca> Ken, Smile, son. Never disconcert the masses. BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437247#437247 br> fts!) r> > com" target="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com w.buildersbooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com p.com" target="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com e.com" target="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com " target="_blank">www.mrrace.com target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -Matt Dralle, List Admin. br> enpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List FORUMS - _blank">http://forums.matronics.com www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com www.mypilotstore.com www.mrrace.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 01:38:46 PM PST US
    From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
    its an inferior model but it will suit my purpose In a message dated 1/19/2015 4:36:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gboothe5@comcast.net writes: =9Ceven I could do an outside loopbut, then, I =99m a superb pilot!=9D From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phil ips Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 12:34 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? =9CIt=99s gonna be a monoplane=9D Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia From: _owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com_ (mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com) [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bicke rs Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 2:03 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? Thanks, BC. Who knows, maybe this is just a "piece a cake, Ezra". Cheers, Ken On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Bill Church <_billspiet@sympatico.ca_ (mailto:billspiet@sympatico.ca) > wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church" <_billspiet@sympatico.ca_ (mailto:billspiet@sympatico.ca) > Ken, Smile, son. Never disconcert the masses. BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437247#437247 br> fts!) r> > com" target="_blank">_www.aeroelectric.com_ (http://www.aeroelectric.com/) w.buildersbooks.com" target="_blank">_www.buildersbooks.com_ (http://www.buildersbooks.com/) p.com" target="_blank">_www.homebuilthelp.com_ (http://www.homebuilthelp.com/) e.com" target="_blank">_www.mypilotstore.com_ (http://www.mypilotstore.com/) " target="_blank">_www.mrrace.com_ (http://www.mrrace.com/) target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -Matt Dralle, List Admin. br> enpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List FORUMS - _blank">_http://forums.matronics.com_ (http://forums.matronics.com/) _www.aeroelectric.com_ (http://www.aeroelectric.com/) _www.buildersbooks.com_ (http://www.buildersbooks.com/) _www.homebuilthelp.com_ (http://www.homebuilthelp.com/) _www.mypilotstore.com_ (http://www.mypilotstore.com/) _www.mrrace.com_ (http://www.mrrace.com/) http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List _http://forums.matronics.com_ (http://forums.matronics.com/) www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com www.mypilotstore.com www.mrrace.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com ======================== ============ (http://www.aeroelectric.com/) (http://www.buildersbooks.com/) (http://www.homebuilthelp.com/) (http://www.mypilotstore.com/) ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============


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    Time: 04:09:54 PM PST US
    From: Bruce Kirk <brucekirk@ymail.com>
    Subject: New builder questions
    Hi everyoneI am thinking about building a Pietenpol, but before I leap into the project there are a couple of questions I hope someone can answer. 1. are there alternate plans for spars other than solid spars that are routed, What about spars that are built up.2. are there alternate struts made of aluminum if so what size?Thanks Bruce kirkbrucekirk@ymail.com


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    Time: 04:18:42 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools)
    From: "aviken" <aviken@windstream.net>
    I am planning on being at Brodhead again this year airplane finished or not. I do wish the date wouldn't have moved earlier in july, but I will make allowances.... I truly hope to fly but who knows. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437263#437263


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    Time: 04:55:11 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: New builder questions
    Bruce, Just curiousAre those the two questions that are keeping you from leaping in? If sowhy? BTW, the answer is =98Yes=99 & =98Yes=99. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Kirk Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 4:09 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: New builder questions Hi everyone I am thinking about building a Pietenpol, but before I leap into the project there are a couple of questions I hope someone can answer. 1. are there alternate plans for spars other than solid spars that are routed, What about spars that are built up. 2. are there alternate struts made of aluminum if so what size? Thanks Bruce kirk brucekirk@ymail.com


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    Time: 05:37:38 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Philips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
    Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
    =9CThe Biplane=99s as dead as the dodo!=9D Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Abramson Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 4:20 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? "WHAT" "You're building me an airplane with just one wing" Dave A. Santa Maria, Ca. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jack Philips Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 12:34 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? =9CIt=99s gonna be a monoplane=9D Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 2:03 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? Thanks, BC. Who knows, maybe this is just a "piece a cake, Ezra". Cheers, Ken On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca <mailto:billspiet@sympatico.ca> > wrote: <billspiet@sympatico.ca <mailto:billspiet@sympatico.ca> > Ken, Smile, son. Never disconcert the masses. BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437247#437247 br> fts!) r> > com" target="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com> w.buildersbooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks.com> p.com" target="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com> e.com" target="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com> " target="_blank">www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -Matt Dralle, List Admin. br> enpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List FORUMS - _blank">http://forums.matronics.com www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com> www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks.com> www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com> www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com> www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com> http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com> href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks.com> href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com> href="http://www.mypilotstore.com">www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com> href="http://www.mrrace.com">www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href= <http://www.matronics.com/chref=%22http:/www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pi etenpol-List%22%3ehttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com> <http://www.buildersbooks.com> <http://www.homebuilthelp.com> <http://www.mypilotstore.com>


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    Time: 05:42:53 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: New builder questions
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    You're gonna have to do some research on other than solid routed spars. Aren't plans for them for sale or available as a supplement per se. English Piet builders use a built up spar. I think they have to, so that's one good place to start. A bunch of guys, myself included have used the small struts from Carlson with great success. A full set will run you under three fifty so they're a good deal. I built a set in a couple days, not really complicated. Quite a few here can supply pics and details. Google Carlson aluminum aircraft struts for their site. Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437266#437266


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    Time: 05:42:53 PM PST US
    From: gcardinal@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: New builder questions
    Bruce, Check out the Construction section at westcoastpiet.com where you will find a couple of built-up spar articles. Carlson aircraft sells aluminum struts. Use the small size. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Kirk <brucekirk@ymail.com> Sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 00:09:29 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Pietenpol-List: New builder questions Hi everyoneI am thinking about building a Pietenpol, but before I leap into the project there are a couple of questions I hope someone can answer. 1. are there alternate plans for spars other than solid spars that are routed, What about spars that are built up.2. are there alternate struts made of aluminum if so what size?Thanks Bruce kirkbrucekirk@ymail.com


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    Time: 06:17:59 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Philips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
    Subject: Re: New builder questions
    A number of people have used built up spars, including Mike Cuy. And as Tools said, a number of people are currently building with the Carlson aluminum spars. But as cheap as they are, it can be even cheaper to use old Piper lift struts. I found two sets of J-3 lift struts that had been removed due to rust in the lower ends. Since Pietenpol struts are about 2 feet shorter than J-3 struts, you can cut off the lower end and get into clean, rust free steel. Since those struts were considered un-airworthy for the Cub, they were given to me. Can't beat that for low price. Welcome to the wonderful world of Pietenpols and Pietenpeople. If possible, plan to come to Brodhead this summer to see as many different examples of the type as possible. Where are you located? Good luck, Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia


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    Time: 07:03:34 PM PST US
    From: goffelectric@comcast.net
    Subject: Fwd: Progress in South Carolina
    Attached is a picture of one elevator covered on January 1st, still have to rib stitch and perimeter tape but we are moving forward. Ran my engine at corvair college in Barnwell. Keith goff ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Goff Electric <goffelectric@comcast.net> Sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 02:53:46 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Elevators


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    Time: 07:57:37 PM PST US
    From: Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Fwd: Progress in South Carolina
    Keith, Hey, I'm right there with you! I got both elevators finished today, still ha ve the cement on my fingers, as I'm typing. The verticals are done and I'm s tarting on horizontal stabilizer tomorrow. How do you eat an elephant, one bite at a time! Ray Krause Building a Sky Scout. =46rom two day ago Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Jan 19, 2015, at 7:03 PM, goffelectric@comcast.net wrote: > > Attached is a picture of one elevator covered on January 1st, still have t o rib stitch and perimeter tape but we are moving forward. Ran my engine at c orvair college in Barnwell. > > Keith goff > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Goff Electric <goffelectric@comcast.net> > To: goffelectric@comcast.net > Sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 02:53:46 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: Elevators > > > <photo.JPG> <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier"> </b></font></pre></body></html>


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    Time: 08:08:03 PM PST US
    Subject: Weekend progress
    From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
    OK this weekend I did the following: made and installed the pulleys for my aileron cables. Included working out problems with routing Made front shoulder harness attachment (needs painting) Installed cotter keys in throttle system (need to take a set of dykes to cut off ends) Next are: Stripping and painting some inspection covers. Getting prop bolts, Installing my data plate (any suggestions, I am thinking about in front cockpit on the side. Making an aluminium cover for my wing tank. making and installing a small cover for a square side access hole The on to the rest of the list. Bugle is playing Call to quarters. So I need to get to bed. -- Blue Skies, Steve D


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    Time: 08:09:03 PM PST US
    Subject: student mirror
    From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
    Has anyone installed a mirror so that the pilot and the Pax can see each other, Like in a Stearman? -- Blue Skies, Steve D


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    Time: 09:33:52 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    You know, I really don't get all the recent complaining about this List. So the forum technology is a few years old - big deal. The airplane design is more than 85 years old, and most people are able to build a perfectly good airplane from the plans. I really don't think that more up to date software would make any real difference. I personally haven't experienced any frustration in searching for answers in the archives. Compare the convenience of accessing this forum with the way things would have been done 20 years ago. Some may say that paper newsletters are a thing of the past - well so are open cockpit wooden airplanes. Furthermore, let's keep in mind that this forum is presented without membership fees, and yet is still free of advertising. The sole source of funding for the equipment and operating costs is through donations. Anyone may contribute to the discussion, whether they have contributed financially or not. And regarding newcomers posting questions that have been posted numerous times in the past - this is to be expected. However, this can be an opportunity for newer members, who often say that they feel that they have little to contribute (due to lack of personal experience,) to step in and provide the answers. There are no rules that say that all questions have to be answered by the "old guard." Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437279#437279


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    Time: 11:09:39 PM PST US
    Subject: On the value of flying those still building (long)
    From: "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA@aol.com>
    I wrote my first Corvair conversion manual when I was 28. When it was done, with some hesitation, I put a little ad in the back of EAA's "light plane world". I didn't expect anyone to want one. Ancient engine brought to you by long haired college student. I was somewhat stunned to find the first letter in the mail box, from some guy named Ralph in Wisconsin, building a Pietenpol. I spent a long evening sipping a beer and looking at the short note from 'Ralph' and manual #1 on my desk. I started to write an apology letter to 'Ralph' several times, explaining that I was just an Embry-Riddle student, and he had obviously mistaken me for some real person in aviation. Really, he was going to get manual #1, not very confidence inspiring. After several hours I decided that this was mostly my issues, not 'Ralphs'. I did cave in and write 10 in front of the #1 to make #101 and at least look like he wasn't the only guy on earth read my advice on building an engine. Not much of a crime, but in the years that followed, I often wondered what kind of a guy he was to blindly get a book from another person he never heard of. Fast forward to Brodhead 2000. We had a very long day of giving rides there, something of a small payback for years of feeling that Pietenpols were my home in Homebuilding. We went from sun up to sunset, maybe 20 flights, easier with two pilots, a ground crew of friends and an electric start plane. Having flown up from Florida the day before, we were zapped by the time the sun was sinking. I very nice quiet woman walked over to me while Arnold was flying the last person and asked that her husband might have a flight. She understood that we were tired, but her husband would never ask, so she was doing this for him, he had been building for many years, but had never flown in a Piet. I was just about to apologize and say maybe next year, when she added the sentence "My husband Ralph and I drove over from Eau Claire." I politely said "Mrs. Carlson, it would be a pleasure." She was some what mystified on how I knew her last name........ After the flight I was compelled to confess to Ralph Carlson that he had the first conversion manual I ever sent out. Several times he insisted he didn't, saying "it's number 110 or 111" I told him there was a very good reason why I knew it was #101, and yes, it was really #1. I try to explain that in the intervening years I have worked hard to try to be the person he thought he was sending the letter to. He is a super nice guy and he doesn't really get this. He just had a great moment in flying, and was totally motivated to go home and build for another year. He said he thought about asking someone for a flight over the years, but didn't think he had 'earned' one, that he was 'just another builder.' I told him contrary to what anyone might guess, I completely understood that feeling. Over the years Grace and I got to know the Carlsons, both Ralph and June, much better. We were part of the regulars at the Sutherland's B&B in Brodhead. They were the absolute genuine article, salt of the earth Americans. They sent Christmas cards and notes, and June used to call sometimes. Over many years her health failed slowly, and we got to see that Ralph understood that when you say "in sickness or in health" in front of God, good people live up to it. He did, with great patience and care. June has been past for several years, and we don't see Ralph at Brodhead every year anymore, but in the quiet late hours in the shop, I still think about them from time to time, and how their lives crossed with ours. At Corvair Colleges I take the pilots aside and encourage them to share flights with those still building. I give them good reasons like how it gives builders a seat of the pants understanding of correct operation and running, teaches procedures and methods. Logical reasons, sure, but they are just a rationalization, what I really want to say is that many of the best parts of life are small chance encounters and what you do with them. I want to say that my life is richer for having known June Carlson, and it all happened because one small flight at Brodhead. Think it over, you have the rest of your life to live with the answer. -ww. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437280#437280




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