Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:14 AM - Making your 2015 more rewarding (William Wynne)
2. 03:33 AM - Re: New builder questions (Jack)
3. 04:23 AM - Re: student mirror (womenfly2)
4. 04:29 AM - Front cockpit (Charles N. Campbell)
5. 04:47 AM - Re: New builder questions (Andre B. Charvet)
6. 05:31 AM - Re: Front cockpit (Boatright, Jeffrey)
7. 05:47 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Steven Dortch)
8. 06:05 AM - Re: Pietenpol posting (White, Isaac)
9. 06:05 AM - Re: On the value of flying those still building (long) (Jack Philips)
10. 06:15 AM - Cont. Engine Parts For Sale (Michael Perez)
11. 06:23 AM - Re: Front cockpit (Jack Philips)
12. 06:25 AM - Re: Cont. Engine Parts For Sale (Tim White)
13. 06:32 AM - Re: New builder questions (cjborsuk)
14. 06:44 AM - Re: Front cockpit (woodflier)
15. 06:59 AM - spar questions---Chuck Borsuk's post (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
16. 07:05 AM - Re: Front cockpit (Steven Dortch)
17. 07:05 AM - Re: Cont. Engine Parts For Sale (Michael Perez)
18. 07:06 AM - Greg Cardinal: My Hero Front cockpit---passenger interference with rudder bar movement (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
19. 07:25 AM - Re: Rudder return springs (William Wynne)
20. 07:45 AM - Re: Fw: Progress in South Carolina (Jack)
21. 08:04 AM - Re: Re: student mirror (Ray Krause)
22. 08:40 AM - Re: spar questions---Chuck Borsuk's post (Ray Krause)
23. 09:38 AM - Re: New builder questions (tools)
24. 09:55 AM - Dates for ToolStock in Georgia (Barry Davis)
25. 09:58 AM - Re: Re: New builder questions (Michael Orth)
26. 10:00 AM - ToolStock 2014 (Barry Davis)
27. 10:19 AM - Re: ToolStock 2014 (tools)
28. 10:22 AM - Toolstock 2015. 27 February - 1 march (tools)
29. 11:01 AM - Re: Greg Cardinal: My Hero Front cockpit---passenger interference with rudder bar movement (gcardinal@comcast.net)
30. 12:55 PM - MIG or TIG? (Mike Nipp)
31. 01:04 PM - Re: MIG or TIG? (tools)
32. 01:15 PM - Re: MIG or TIG? (Bill Budgell)
33. 01:15 PM - Re: MIG or TIG? (Bill Budgell)
34. 01:41 PM - Re: MIG or TIG? (Gerrit-Jan Kaal)
35. 01:58 PM - Complete flying piet minus engine and prop for sale (tools)
36. 02:14 PM - Re: MIG or TIG? (goffelectric@comcast.net)
37. 02:17 PM - Re: MIG or TIG? (Jack Philips)
38. 02:22 PM - Re: MIG or TIG? (William Wynne)
39. 02:25 PM - Re: Complete flying piet minus engine and prop for sale (John Letkeman)
40. 02:35 PM - Re: Greg Cardinal: My Hero Front cockpit---passenger interference with rudder bar movement (Greg Cardinal)
41. 02:40 PM - Re: Complete flying piet minus engine and prop for sale (tools)
42. 02:42 PM - Continental Rocker Cover Set (Michael Perez)
43. 04:06 PM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools) (Bill Church)
44. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools) (Gary Boothe)
45. 05:28 PM - Re: MIG or TIG? (Pocono John)
46. 06:21 PM - Re: MIG or TIG? (aerocarjake)
47. 06:38 PM - control and bracing cable (Steven Dortch)
48. 06:45 PM - Re: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools) (Steven Dortch)
49. 06:57 PM - today's progress (Steven Dortch)
50. 07:34 PM - Re: Re: MIG or TIG? (goffelectric@comcast.net)
51. 07:50 PM - Re: On the value of flying those still building (long) (William Wynne)
52. 07:56 PM - Re: Re: MIG or TIG? (glenschweizer@yahoo.com)
53. 09:09 PM - Re: MIG or TIG? (William Wynne)
54. 10:54 PM - Re: control and bracing cable (tools)
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| Subject: | Making your 2015 more rewarding |
Some thought on having a different aviation experience this year:
.
I have read almost all of the message traffic on the questions of the health and
popularity of the list, the newsletter and Brodhead. For my 2 cents, they are
all cyclic and also in the eye of the beholder. All discussion groups have periods
of activity and inactivity, people contributing and others fading. I have
followed 5 different newsletter editors, ones I like others didn't and vice
versa, people want different things out of newsletters. 2014 was the first Brodhead
I missed in 13 years. All of them were good, but the years that were a
stand out to me were often not special to others. What makes it treasured to people
is different.
.
Perception is personal reality, but not always reality. I travel extensively and
spend a lot of time immersed in grass roots aviation. The sky isn't falling,
I can make a case for the reverse. The worst editor in chief the EAA has ever
had is out the door shortly; Kit sales are strong; fuel is very cheap. Yet if
you listen to negative people all day, or spend time with them at the airport,
you will likely come to share their negativity.
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If you want 2015 to be different, you only need to make it so by doing things differently for you. This is the subject of this story: http://flycorvair.net/2015/01/02/2015-your-year-in-aviation/ . What to do? If you don't like negative posts, don't read them. I used to watch 2 hours of TV news a day, and incredibly, my world view has gotten a lot more optimistic having not turned on a TV in years. Internet works the same way. Upset over the lack of newsletters? Easy, call Doc and Dee and buy some back issues you missed way back and read them while John gets the train back on track. Either he will or wont, but the news letter will be back in some form again. No matter what anyone says, quality printed material is popular in flying circles. Take the word of a guy who had 442,000 page reads on his site in 2014 but still earns a living selling paper books to aviators.
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Here is the big one: If Brodhead has a little less call than before, take a year
off; instead decide that you are going to make and keep 3 new personal friends
in Piet building this year instead of nurturing a field of acquaintances and
people you know only as a name on the net. Plan 3 trips to other builders shops
and offer to spend a weekend assisting them. Head to a College and meet other
Piet builders, and specifically get to know them. I personally get a lot more
out of time spent with a few people in person rater than people I know of
at a "Face Book" level. If you don't like your 2014, then don't wait to see if
2015 will be different, make it different. Spend time with positive people, learn
or make things with them, and make more progress on your plane and building
and flying skills. Don't be a spectator in your own life-year.
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>From my perspective, Pietenpols had a very good year in 2014, but I don't yardstick
it off the most negative post on the net from "braniff66" nor the newsletter,
of reports of the social fun at Brodhead. My measure of activity was this:
At the four Colleges in 2014, about 1/3 of the builders were Piet people, and
maybe two dozen of the running engines that came to life are destined for Piets.
To me that looks like dozens of people who are in love with an 85 year old
plane enough to learn a whole new engine, spend time and money , not 'fixing
it up', but instead zero timing it, and traveling long distances to do this
in the company of positive people, in an intense immersion experience.
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Many of the people who experienced this are regulars on this list, and just don't talk about it a lot here. Chuck Cambell , Terry Hand, Mark Chouinard , the Jamesons, Jerry Parker, John Francis ,Keith Goff and many others all got their engines running at Colleges. If you were there at the moment all of the learning and work these men had invested in their own future in aviation, things would seem pretty positive. Nothing is winding down from my point of view. Want a different perspective? Read this: http://flycorvair.net/2014/11/18/pietenpol-builders-and-pilots-at-corvair-college-31/. -ww.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437282#437282
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| Subject: | Re: New builder questions |
Bruce you can see some dated pictures of my spar here. Not flying yet...
http://textors.com/PietProject.html
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
> On Jan 19, 2015, at 6:09 PM, Bruce Kirk <brucekirk@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone
> I am thinking about building a Pietenpol, but before I leap into the proje
ct there are a couple of questions I hope someone can answer.
> 1. are there alternate plans for spars other than solid spars that are rou
ted, What about spars that are built up.
> 2. are there alternate struts made of aluminum if so what size?
> Thanks
> Bruce kirk
> brucekirk@ymail.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: student mirror |
Yes. I used a 2" diameter convex mirror from an auto-parts store. Make a bracket
to mount it to the top forward center strut fitting, left side. Worked great,
we could see each other. Was also cool to see behind you for traffic.
Cheers,
WF2
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Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437284#437284
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Steven's question about the mirror made me think, for some reason, about
the size of the front seat -- it just looks very small. Has anyone had
problems with the width of a person's derriere [?] interfering with the rear
seat rudder pedals? When I get to that stage I want to be careful of who I
invite to ride. Chuck
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| Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
Chuck the first sign of having a Franken Piet (AKA PietenGrega) is denial.
IE, Saying "I have used X, Y and Z from Grega, but otherwise it is a
Pietenpol!"
Embrace the strangeness.
All Said in Fun. There is a reason that Grega mods became popular. And a
reason some like a pure Piet.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Charles N. Campbell <
charlescampbell1924@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, That's a funny question, for me. My plans are Pietenpol plans.
> However, as I have already said, the wing ribs were made from the Grega
> plans. Also, the four engine mounts are Grega. I liked the sturdyness o
f
> the Grega mounts. I'm using a Corvair engine and I wanted a little more
> substantial connection to the fuselage. Also, I didn't like the Pietenpo
l
> arrangement where the inside mount piece dictates a different positioning
> of the upper and lower cross pieces. I think that would also weaken the
> structure somewhat. Other than those things, the plane is a Pietenpol.
> Also, I don't like the large, motorcycle type wheels. I'm using a 600/6
> Matco wheels with toe-operated hydraulic brakes. I'll be operating off a
> macadam runway for the most part so I like the positive braking.
> Incidentally, I flew Navy fighters in WW2 (that to almost tell how old I
> am), I have quite a few flying hours, and I've never even SEEN an airplan
e
> with a rudder bar -- much less flown one. So I put in pedals -- contrary
> to the Pietenpol plans.
>
> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.co
m
> > wrote:
>
>> Charles, I tell people that I have a PietenGrega. My plane was built
>> between 1965 and 1973. It has a pure Pietenpol Fuselage with the Grega
>> setup for Piper Cub landing Gear. The wing is the 3 piece Grega. So on t
he
>> Cabanes the top bolt runs front to rear, a la Grega, on the bottom of th
e
>> cabanes the bolt runs right to left, a la Pietenpol.
>>
>> What plans are you using?
>>
>> Blue Skies,
>> Steve D.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Charles N. Campbell <
>> charlescampbell1924@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Marcus, I think it would take a real expert to tell the difference
>>> between a GN1 and a regular Pietenpol. I originally had a set of GN1 p
lans
>>> and was planning on building one. In fact, my wing uses the GN1 airfoi
l --
>>> which is not a whole lot different from the Piet. I think I read where
the
>>> GN1 airfoil provides a bit better climb than the Piet. Otherwise, I
>>> thought the GN1 was a bit more complex than the Piet so I gave the set
of
>>> plans (minus one of the full-size wing rib drawings) back to the owner
who
>>> had lent the plans to me and I ordered a set of Piet plans. I'm just
>>> finishing up the fuselage now (still uncovered). Wings and tail surfac
es
>>> are all built and awaiting cover. I will probably put the airplane
>>> together uncovered for an AI inspection. Then I will tear it apart for
the
>>> covering and then reassemble it for the FAA inspection. A friend of mi
ne
>>> did that with a little biplane and when the FAA man who flew up from
>>> Charlotte in a C172 took off (after the inspection) to return to CLT my
>>> friend took off right behind him for his first flight. Hope you have g
ood
>>> fortune on the building of the Piet. If I had a GN1 I wouldn't bother
>>> building a Piet unless I just wanted to build something. Keep us aware
of
>>> the progress. Chuck
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Marcus Zechini <
>>> marcus.zechini@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hopefully not! I will put pics on, today, of my front harness, to
>>>> answer recent posts. Probably a little late, but need to get to hangar
with
>>>> tablet.
>>>> I bid on an A65 on eBay.... Looks like I may get. Even though I am
>>>> flying a GN-1 now....one day, I will build. So, will I have to park
far
>>>> out at Brodhead. I do plan to be there....and not cheat by flying some
thing
>>>> else.
>>>> On Jan 16, 2015 10:46 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.ne
t>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey all (or whomever is still out there)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems tha
t
>>>>> since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a dra
stic
>>>>> and steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am le
ss interested in
>>>>> submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a gr
eat
>>>>> group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favori
te
>>>>> thing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say not
hing
>>>>> of helping me finish my plane.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association)
>>>>> Is it dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol
>>>>> =9Cmouthpieces=9D around anymore which will likely impact
an already shrinking
>>>>> following.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is Brodhead next??!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Douwe
>>>>>
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com>
>>>>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersboo
ks.com>
>>>>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com>
>>>>> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com>
>>>>> ank">www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com>
>>>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.c
om/contribution>
>>>>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
>>>>> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com>
>>>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbook
s.com>
>>>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com>
>>>> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com>
>>>> ank">www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com>
>>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.co
m/contribution>
>>>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
>>>> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com>
>>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks
.com>
>>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com>
>>> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com>
>>> ank">www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com>
>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com
/contribution>
>>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List <
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
>>> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Blue Skies,
>> Steve D
>>
>> *
>>
>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com>
>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks.
com>
>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com>
>> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com>
>> ank">www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com>
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/
contribution>
>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List <h
ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
>> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
> *
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Pietenpol posting |
Way to go Youngblood!! Lookin good!!
[Signature, Low Res]<mailto:iwhite@stevensaviation.com>
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of yb21701@juno.com
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 5:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol posting
I read the site daily and have been helped all along the way (since 2012).
My only prior input was a photo of construction progress about a year ago.T
his photo shows that I'm about ready for fabric - using Stewart System and
Latex. I'll post information and photos of modifications I have incorporate
d, but ONLY AFTER they are proven in flight. Many thanks to Oscar Zuniga, P
eter Johnson, and other particularly helpful contributors, and to Matt Dral
le's site administration, including the FAQ & Archives (gold mine of inform
ation). Also thanks to BPA's Doc & Dee Mosher and John Hoffman (good info i
n the Newsletter). In my opinion, the Matronics Pietenpol site is not dead
- far from it! Don Youngblood <yb21701@juno.com<mailto:yb21701@juno.com>>
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| Subject: | On the value of flying those still building (long) |
Good post, William. Just goes to show that you never know how your actions
can touch another's life.
I was there at Brodhead in 2000. I was about halfway through building my
Pietenpol and didn't know a soul there, but I remember seeing a blue
Pietenpol with a big spinner and aluminum cowl (did it have engine-turning
on the cowling like the Spirit of St. Louis, or was I imagining that?)
giving ride after ride.
Those who complain today about the "Old Guard" (and I assume by now I'm one
of those) should have seen what it was like back in 2000. I saw very few
people there under the age of 80 (I've never seen so many oxygen bottles
being pulled around) and nearly everyone I talked with tried to discourage
me doing anything other than the way Bernard had done it (I was specifically
asking about piano hinges on the ailerons, and how to do the elevator and
rudder hinges). The only person I met who was friendly and open was Bill
Rewey.
I would have liked to stay and try to get a ride in that blue Pietenpol, but
I was there with my soon to be ex-wife who didn't want to stay and talk
airplanes (shocker).
In years since then as I flew my Pietenpol there I've tried to be as open as
possible, although I usually don't give too many rides due to the fact that
my Piet is heavy (745 lbs) and I will not take a passenger that weighs over
180 lbs. I've always brought my builders log and scrapbook so I can show
photos that might help explain some particular part of the build process.
I wonder if it might be useful for the BPA to give out hats or name badges
of a certain color to denote current builders (like the white hats they give
to people who fly a Pietenpol in) so everyone can make an extra effort to
include them in conversation?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Wynne
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 2:09 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: On the value of flying those still building (long)
--> <WilliamTCA@aol.com>
I wrote my first Corvair conversion manual when I was 28. When it was done,
with some hesitation, I put a little ad in the back of EAA's "light plane
world". I didn't expect anyone to want one. Ancient engine brought to you by
long haired college student. I was somewhat stunned to find the first letter
in the mail box, from some guy named Ralph in Wisconsin, building a
Pietenpol.
I spent a long evening sipping a beer and looking at the short note from
'Ralph' and manual #1 on my desk. I started to write an apology letter to
'Ralph' several times, explaining that I was just an Embry-Riddle student,
and he had obviously mistaken me for some real person in aviation. Really,
he was going to get manual #1, not very confidence inspiring. After several
hours I decided that this was mostly my issues, not 'Ralphs'. I did cave in
and write 10 in front of the #1 to make #101 and at least look like he
wasn't the only guy on earth read my advice on building an engine. Not much
of a crime, but in the years that followed, I often wondered what kind of a
guy he was to blindly get a book from another person he never heard of.
Fast forward to Brodhead 2000. We had a very long day of giving rides there,
something of a small payback for years of feeling that Pietenpols were my
home in Homebuilding. We went from sun up to sunset, maybe 20 flights,
easier with two pilots, a ground crew of friends and an electric start
plane.
Having flown up from Florida the day before, we were zapped by the time the
sun was sinking. I very nice quiet woman walked over to me while Arnold was
flying the last person and asked that her husband might have a flight. She
understood that we were tired, but her husband would never ask, so she was
doing this for him, he had been building for many years, but had never flown
in a Piet. I was just about to apologize and say maybe next year, when she
added the sentence "My husband Ralph and I drove over from Eau Claire." I
politely said "Mrs. Carlson, it would be a pleasure." She was some what
mystified on how I knew her last name........
After the flight I was compelled to confess to Ralph Carlson that he had the
first conversion manual I ever sent out. Several times he insisted he
didn't, saying "it's number 110 or 111" I told him there was a very good
reason why I knew it was #101, and yes, it was really #1. I try to explain
that in the intervening years I have worked hard to try to be the person he
thought he was sending the letter to. He is a super nice guy and he doesn't
really get this. He just had a great moment in flying, and was totally
motivated to go home and build for another year. He said he thought about
asking someone for a flight over the years, but didn't think he had 'earned'
one, that he was 'just another builder.' I told him contrary to what anyone
might guess, I completely understood that feeling.
Over the years Grace and I got to know the Carlsons, both Ralph and June,
much better. We were part of the regulars at the Sutherland's B&B in
Brodhead. They were the absolute genuine article, salt of the earth
Americans. They sent Christmas cards and notes, and June used to call
sometimes. Over many years her health failed slowly, and we got to see that
Ralph understood that when you say "in sickness or in health" in front of
God, good people live up to it. He did, with great patience and care.
June has been past for several years, and we don't see Ralph at Brodhead
every year anymore, but in the quiet late hours in the shop, I still think
about them from time to time, and how their lives crossed with ours. At
Corvair Colleges I take the pilots aside and encourage them to share flights
with those still building. I give them good reasons like how it gives
builders a seat of the pants understanding of correct operation and running,
teaches procedures and methods. Logical reasons, sure, but they are just a
rationalization, what I really want to say is that many of the best parts of
life are small chance encounters and what you do with them. I want to say
that my life is richer for having known June Carlson, and it all happened
because one small flight at Brodhead. Think it over, you have the rest of
your life to live with the answer. -ww.
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| Subject: | Cont. Engine Parts For Sale |
For those whom may be interested, I am selling two oil tanks and one carb. heat
box. I do not have pictures to show here at the moment, but if anyone is interested,
email me and when I get home I will send you the large format photos I
have. All of these were removed from A-65 engines.
One oil tank has a long neck and includes the dip stick. This tank is in good to
very good condition with minimal denting. Needs cleaning and verified that it
does not leak. I am asking $200.00. The second tank has a short neck and no
dip stick. This tank has multiple weld repairs on it; it appears that these welds
fixed leaks and/or dents on the one side. Still, it is in good condition.
This tank also needs a good cleaning and checked for leaks. Asking $150.00.
The heat box is fair; the filter mounting flange will need some straightening.
It seems to be an older box and of a heavier construction than the one I am using.
Asking $60.00.
All of the above are in the "as removed" condition with no cleaning; you'll see
exactly what condition they were in when I received the engines a few years back.
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Chuck, my solution to that problem is to only carry attractive young
ladies. That way, if my feet are rubbing on the passenger=99s
butt it doesn=99t seem so bad.
Seriously, the seat is high enough that it is not really a problem.
Yes, it=99s a bit tight, and you should probably warn the
passenger that they might feel your feet rubbing.
Actually, I always warn my passengers, particularly females, that the
stick will move around a bit and might rub up against their thigh, but
that nothing personal is meant by it. I always relate a true story that
happened to a friend of mine back in 1969 when I was a student pilot.
He had just bought a brand new Citabria and wanted to take his new
girl-friend up in it. He put her in the back seat (probably admiring
the view as she boarded the airplane in her miniskirt), climbed in the
front and took off.
When they returned to land, he found there was a pretty strong crosswind
and had to hold some right aileron as he began to flare. He had not
advised his girlfriend of anything (she had never been up in an airplane
before). All she knew was this shiny chrome stick was bearing against
her thigh and as he flared it began raising her miniskirt. She though
he was being fresh so she just shoved the stick forward off her leg,
pancaking (and nearly totaling) the airplane.
Be careful out there!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
N. Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 7:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Front cockpit
Steven's question about the mirror made me think, for some reason, about
the size of the front seat -- it just looks very small. Has anyone had
problems with the width of a person's derriere interfering with the
rear seat rudder pedals? When I get to that stage I want to be careful
of who I invite to ride. Chuck
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| Subject: | Re: Cont. Engine Parts For Sale |
I am interested in the heat box. Could you send a picture?
Tim White
On 1/20/2015 9:14 AM, Michael Perez wrote:
> For those whom may be interested, I am selling two oil tanks and one
> carb. heat box. I do not have pictures to show here at the moment, but
> if anyone is interested, email me and when I get home I will send you
> the large format photos I have. All of these were removed from A-65
> engines.
>
> One oil tank has a long neck and includes the dip stick. This tank is
> in good to very good condition with minimal denting. Needs cleaning
> and verified that it does not leak. I am asking $200.00. The second
> tank has a short neck and no dip stick. This tank has multiple weld
> repairs on it; it appears that these welds fixed leaks and/or dents on
> the one side. Still, it is in good condition. This tank also needs a
> good cleaning and checked for leaks. Asking $150.00.
>
> The heat box is fair; the filter mounting flange will need some
> straightening. It seems to be an older box and of a heavier
> construction than the one I am using. Asking $60.00.
>
> All of the above are in the "as removed" condition with no cleaning;
> you'll see exactly what condition they were in when I received the
> engines a few years back.
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: New builder questions |
Here is a link I pulled from the archives that shows how I built my spars. It is
similar to the way Mike Cuy did his which can be found on westcoastpiet.com.
Less expensive than solid spars, but takes much longer to build.
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=79059&highlight=spars
Chuck
Raleigh NC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437296#437296
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| Subject: | Re: Front cockpit |
A beautiful thing about the Piet design is that it automatic
ally deals with this problem. Pax that are too "avoirdupois
challenged" generally can't get into that front cockpit. =0A=0A=0A
Matt Paxton=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Boatright, Jef
frey <jeffboatright@emory.edu>=0ATo: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matron
ics.com>=0ASent: Tue, Jan 20, 2015 8:33 am=0ASubject: Re: Pieten
pol-List: Front cockpit=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AYep, there is interference wit
h the pilot=99s feet, even with relatively svelte passenge
rs. I don=99t have a problem with interference with the
rudder pedals themselves, though.=0A=0A=0A=0A-- =0AJeffrey H. Boatri
ght, PhD, FARVO=0A=0AProfessor of Ophthalmology=0AEmory University S
chool of Medicine=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: "Charles N. Campbell" <charles
l-list@matronics.com>=0ADate: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 at 7:29 AM
=0ATo: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>=0ASubje
ct: Pietenpol-List: Front cockpit=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ASteven's question a
bout the mirror made me think, for some reason, about the
size of the front seat -- it just looks very small. Has
anyone had problems with the width of a person's derriere
interfering with the rear seat rudder pedals? When I get
to that stage I want to be careful of who I invite to
ride. Chuck=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AThis e-mail message (including any a
ttachments) is for the sole use of=0Athe intended recipient(s)
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| Subject: | spar questions---Chuck Borsuk's post |
After talking with Frank Pavliga (red and cream colored Piet, Sky Gypsy), w
ho is a Registered Architecht and has been around
airplanes and specifically Pietenpols for many, many years he suggested bui
lding up my spars like you see in the attached photo,
the top method as to avoid the arduous task of routing out the spars to sav
e weight. (T-88 used exclusively in all wood joints in my airplane)
If I were to build another set of spars again I would use the bottom method
.
Mike C.
Ohio
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| Subject: | Re: Front cockpit |
Who has the story about the larger woman getting yelling on Taxi out and
storming out of the aircraft saying "I'm not that kind of woman!"? Pretty
funny!
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Jack Philips <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
wrote:
> Chuck, my solution to that problem is to only carry attractive young
> ladies. That way, if my feet are rubbing on the passenger=99s butt
it
> doesn=99t seem so bad.
>
>
> Seriously, the seat is high enough that it is not really a problem. Yes,
> it=99s a bit tight, and you should probably warn the passenger that
they
> might feel your feet rubbing.
>
>
> Actually, I always warn my passengers, particularly females, that the
> stick will move around a bit and might rub up against their thigh, but th
at
> nothing personal is meant by it. I always relate a true story that
> happened to a friend of mine back in 1969 when I was a student pilot. He
> had just bought a brand new Citabria and wanted to take his new girl-frie
nd
> up in it. He put her in the back seat (probably admiring the view as she
> boarded the airplane in her miniskirt), climbed in the front and took off
.
>
>
> When they returned to land, he found there was a pretty strong crosswind
> and had to hold some right aileron as he began to flare. He had not
> advised his girlfriend of anything (she had never been up in an airplane
> before). All she knew was this shiny chrome stick was bearing against he
r
> thigh and as he flared it began raising her miniskirt. She though he was
> being fresh so she just shoved the stick forward off her leg, pancaking
> (and nearly totaling) the airplane.
>
>
> Be careful out there!
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Charles N.
> Campbell
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 20, 2015 7:29 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Front cockpit
>
>
> Steven's question about the mirror made me think, for some reason, about
> the size of the front seat -- it just looks very small. Has anyone had
> problems with the width of a person's derriere interfering with the rear
> seat rudder pedals? When I get to that stage I want to be careful of who
I
> invite to ride. Chuck
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Cont. Engine Parts For Sale |
Hello Tim. I will send you a few pictures once I get home. Thanks.
Build complete 8/2014
Mike Perez
Karetaker Aero
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| Subject: | Greg Cardinal: My Hero Front cockpit---passenger interference |
with rudder bar movement
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder return springs |
Chuck,
On planes with the front pedals close to the firewall, where one would be tempted
to use a short spring, the most common solution is to mount a 1" in diameter
pulley at the firewall, and turn a 1/16" cable around 90 degrees around it connecting
the front rudder pedal to a long soft spring hanging down from the area
where the top longeron meets the firewall. This way you are working with a
6" soft spring that is always in tension, rather than a short 1" or 2" one that
will go slack on full deflection and add a lot of undesirable tension on the
other side. This layout is quite common, you can see pictures of it on the SPA/Panther
website.
There are more rudder bars out there than people notice. I have worked on some
commie stuff over the years, and both Migs and Antonov's use them. You don't see
it at a glance because they have pedals connected to the bar, but the working
mechanism is a rudder bar with a parallelogram connecting the pedals to keep
them straight. a mechanical solution on planes single braking systems biased
by pedal deflection. A lot of Soviet stuff this is done Pneumatically.
On simple planes I like rudder bars, even our Stits Skycoupe test mule used them.
the only issue is when they are too close to the floor and you are contacting
them with your instep or heel rather than the balls of your feet. Jennies used
rudder bars and the felt 'right' to many people trained in the 1920s. You
kids who started fly in the 1940s like those new fangled pedals.
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Progress in South Carolina |
Keith,
Looks great. When are you going to stitch? Would like to come over and watch or
even hold a needle ;0)
Jack
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 19, 2015, at 10:03 PM, goffelectric@comcast.net wrote:
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> Attached is a picture of one elevator covered on January 1st, still have to rib
stitch and perimeter tape but we are moving forward. Ran my engine at corvair
college in Barnwell.
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> Keith goff
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| Subject: | Re: student mirror |
WF2,
You always have the best replies and suggestions, but it would be nice to have
a plane and a real name to associate with WF2. I guess I'm too new to the forum
to have met you in the past.
Thanks for all your help,
Ray Krause
Building SkyScout
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> On Jan 20, 2015, at 4:23 AM, womenfly2 <Love2Fly.KAP@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Yes. I used a 2" diameter convex mirror from an auto-parts store. Make a bracket
to mount it to the top forward center strut fitting, left side. Worked great,
we could see each other. Was also cool to see behind you for traffic.
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> WF2
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| Subject: | Re: spar questions---Chuck Borsuk's post |
Mike,
When I built my spars I used your suggestion but used 3/4" spar material and
used T88 to attach 1/8 X 1" strips of plywood to the edges. It was a lot of
gluing but seemed to work well...so far. Hope it does not fall out of the s
ky! Your method of using 1/2" spar material and 1/4" X 1" strips would be a
little lighter, I guess. But on a single place PIET, I'm not too worried ab
out weight.
Not sure I would ever cross the Sierras AND the Rockies in my Sky Scout to a
ttend Brodhead because I could not offer rides!
Thanks,
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 20, 2015, at 6:58 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, L
LC] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
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> After talking with Frank Pavliga (red and cream colored Piet, Sky Gypsy), w
ho is a Registered Architecht and has been around
> airplanes and specifically Pietenpols for many, many years he suggested bu
ilding up my spars like you see in the attached photo,
> the top method as to avoid the arduous task of routing out the spars to sa
ve weight. (T-88 used exclusively in all wood joints in my airplane)
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> If I were to build another set of spars again I would use the bottom metho
d.
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> Mike C.
> Ohio
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| Subject: | Re: New builder questions |
I was thinking more along the lines of a box spar or something. Merely laminating
up to the plans spar is no big deal, and has been done even more. If a good
glue joint, glue up however you like, it'll be fine. You can even scarf shorter
pieces together effectively.
Though not legally required, if you adhere to standard repair practice, you'll
definitely be alright.
The original spars in my chief, much to my surprise, are composed of probably twenty
pieces or more... Each! Being "factory" the scarf joints don't even need
scarf plates and are legal... Sort of attesting to the 43.13 assuming mechanics
don't really know how to glue up or fit joints well I guess. Not sure about
the reasoning behind that...
Mccormicks lumber in Madison sells 5/4 spruce. With accurate resawing, you can
make a set of spars with VERY little waste by gluing up off a 1/2 core piece.
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| Subject: | Dates for ToolStock in Georgia |
Mike
What are the dates for ToolStock 2015?
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: New builder questions |
Chuck,
Love the flag in your shop.
Good for you.
Michael
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-----Original Message-----
From: cjborsuk
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 6:32 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New builder questions
Here is a link I pulled from the archives that shows how I built my spars.
It is similar to the way Mike Cuy did his which can be found on
westcoastpiet.com. Less expensive than solid spars, but takes much longer to
build.
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=79059&highlight=spars
Chuck
Raleigh NC
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Had a great time last year. Looking forward to 2015
Barry
L-R Gardiner Mason (Pietenpol) - Harold Johnson (Big Piet) - Barry Davis
(Big Piet) - Frank Metcalfe (Big Piet)
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| Subject: | Re: ToolStock 2014 |
It's the last weekend of February. Didn't realize until two days ago it conflicts
with corvair college. For anyone that causes a problem , very sorry, won't
happen next year!
Otherwise, things are a go, albeit disorganized... Wouldn't mind a show of hands
if you might make it. Not binding or necessary, just for rough planning purposes.
Hope to have a couple planes here this year.
Looking forward to it!
Tools
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| Subject: | Toolstock 2015. 27 February - 1 march |
Not the original date, it changed about a month ago, didn't realize the conflict
with corvair college. Very sorry if that causes anyone any problems. I'll
watch out for that next year!
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: Greg Cardinal: My Hero Front cockpit---passenger |
interference with rudder bar movement
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Gents
Looking to buy a new welder. If you could only choose one welder to build a Piet,
which one would you choose?
/Mike
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Tig. Miller 330s are a GREAT value right now.
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Lincoln 175 tig=C2- perfect for the aircraft industry or a miller just as
good=C2-
=C2- From: Mike Nipp <mikenipp@gmail.com>
To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 3:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: MIG or TIG?
Gents
Looking to buy a new welder. If you could only choose one welder to build a
Piet, which one would you choose?
/Mike
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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Mig has no place in the aircraft industry.
From: Mike Nipp <mikenipp@gmail.com>
To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 3:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: MIG or TIG?
Gents
Looking to buy a new welder. If you could only choose one welder to build a
Piet, which one would you choose?
/Mike
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TIG - no question about it
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 9:54 PM, Mike Nipp <mikenipp@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Gents
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> Looking to buy a new welder. If you could only choose one welder to build
> a Piet, which one would you choose?
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> /Mike
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| Subject: | Complete flying piet minus engine and prop for sale |
Piet airframe only for sale. O235 removed for another project. Can't tell if
it's a grega or not, no pics though probably available. It's located in central
wi, I'll put ya in touch if interested.
Here's the note I got from the seller after asking all of our usual questions.
He contacted me via a mutual friend, so I really have no vested interest, first
hand knowledge nor receiving any sort of commission.
Mike : Thank you for the note. I believe the job done on the Piet is a nice one
.It was built by an A&P who did a very nice job. It is all an hardware no hardware
junk in it. I have every receipt or close to everything bought for the Piet.
along with a dvd of building photo's. It is made of wood with a 3 piece wing.
It has Cessna wheels and brakes steel gear legs and I think maule tail wheel.
The center section of the wing is aluminum with a 10 gal tank in it. The
lower tank is in it of course. The builder wanted to take it to Alaska he said
but then he got married. It would make a nice aircraft for someone . It flew
25 hrs . It also has nice leather snap on covers for each cockpit. As far as value
I don't know or even have a guess yet you may be more qualified to answer
that than me. So if you run across anyone who is looking let them know there
is one around. I will let them keep it in my hangar until spring for free if I
like the offer on it.
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We bought a Miller 180 Tig, it's awesome. Welded the aluminum fuel tank and
the thin 4130 for the control horns and everything in between for the Piet
with it.
Keith Goff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Nipp" <mikenipp@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 8:54:01 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: MIG or TIG?
Gents
Looking to buy a new welder. If you could only choose one welder to build a
Piet, which one would you choose?
/Mike
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Oxy-acetylene
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Nipp
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 3:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: MIG or TIG?
Gents
Looking to buy a new welder. If you could only choose one welder to build a
Piet, which one would you choose?
/Mike
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Only buy a welder if you are serious about developing the skill of being a welder.
This is a different goal than saving money on having the parts fro your project,
or many of the other reasons why people buy welders. Consider that it takes
far more hours of personal instruction to learn how to make an airworthy
weld than it does to teach the average guy to solo a plane from scratch. You don't
learn how to fly by simply owning a plane, and you don't become a welder
by owning the machine and just messing with it. It takes study, instruction and
practice.
.
If you want to really learn the skill, than buy a very good tig welder. Suggestion:
Lincoln 225 precision with micro start. Last part is very important, it is
vastly easier to learn with this. If you have literally welded 500 hours a year
since 1979, you can weld with junk equipment. If you are new and learning,
don't do something dumb like buy a Chinese welder "to try welding." If you want
to weld, take it seriously or don't bother. You don't acquire skills by half
measure.
.
Mr Budgell's comment "Mig has no place in the aircraft industry." is an opinion,
and one he would have a very hard time defending with logic. About 4,500 Avid
flyers and Kitfoxes, and 50 years of Maule aircraft says he is wrong. I know
the history of aircraft welding very well. B-17 motor mounts were stick welded
by women with 7018 rods. Aeronca Cheifs and Champs were also stick welded.
.
I have built many parts for flying planes with Mig, it works, you have to know
what you are doing. A skilled operator can make a completely airworthy part with
a mig machine, but it isn't a short cut to being a welder, it is a tool for
a particular task. I have shown countless parts at Oshkosh that were mig welded,
and only 1 out of 500 people could tell it wasn't tig. 95% of the welds I
do are tig, but that isn't the only way to build planes. If you want to build
aircraft parts, and you are temped to buy a mig because you think it is easer
to learn, the machine is cheaper, etc, you have the wrong motivation, and you
should just pay a skilled person to make your stuff. Again, the only valid reason
that will produce good parts in the long run is really wanting to posses the
skill and being willing to work for it.
have been welding since 1979.
I have used nearly every process to build flying planes.
I have welded parts that are now flying on more than 300 aircraft
I taught aircraft welding to A&P students at Embry-Riddle
A builder can either use this experience to his advantage, or listen to people
offer opinions about Mig in aircraft. Your year, your hours, your plane, your
choice. -ww.
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| Subject: | Re: Complete flying piet minus engine and prop for sale |
I'm looking for a Pietenpol to hang my a65 on, would like more info
Thanks
John
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 20, 2015, at 4:02 PM, tools <n0kkj@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Piet airframe only for sale. O235 removed for another project. Can't tell if
it's a grega or not, no pics though probably available. It's located in central
wi, I'll put ya in touch if interested.
>
> Here's the note I got from the seller after asking all of our usual questions.
He contacted me via a mutual friend, so I really have no vested interest, first
hand knowledge nor receiving any sort of commission.
>
>
> Mike : Thank you for the note. I believe the job done on the Piet is a nice one
.It was built by an A&P who did a very nice job. It is all an hardware no hardware
junk in it. I have every receipt or close to everything bought for the
Piet. along with a dvd of building photo's. It is made of wood with a 3 piece
wing. It has Cessna wheels and brakes steel gear legs and I think maule tail
wheel. The center section of the wing is aluminum with a 10 gal tank in it. The
lower tank is in it of course. The builder wanted to take it to Alaska he said
but then he got married. It would make a nice aircraft for someone . It flew
25 hrs . It also has nice leather snap on covers for each cockpit. As far as
value I don't know or even have a guess yet you may be more qualified to answer
that than me. So if you run across anyone who is looking let them know there
is one around. I will let them keep it in my hangar until spring for free if
I like the offer on it.
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Greg Cardinal: My Hero Front cockpit---passenger |
interference with rudder bar movement
I told each of them that I had to move my feet around to control the airpla
ne and that if they felt something tickling their backside it was perfectly
normal.
Good times...
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 9:05 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Greg Cardinal: My Hero Front cockpit---passenger
interference with rudder bar movement
Jack Phillips gives the perfect response to your question about passenger
interference Chuck Campbell and
Greg Cardinal has demonstrated, in actual practice, that Jack=99s a
dvice is sound.
To reinforce Jack=99s comment, advising your passenger that they li
kely will feel your feet moving
the rudder controls around is a good one. I also le the passenger know
not to lean against the throttle knob/control
in their cockpit that is on the left side about tricep-height.
Jack Phillips writes:
Chuck, my solution to that problem is to only carry attractive young ladi
es. That way, if my feet are rubbing on the passenger=99s butt it do
esn=99t seem so bad.
Seriously, the seat is high enough that it is not really a problem. Yes,
it=99s a bit tight, and you should probably warn the passenger that
they might feel your feet rubbing.
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| Subject: | Re: Complete flying piet minus engine and prop for sale |
Hey john,
Sent ya an email. I just haven't asked the guy if he minds me posting his number
yet.
Tools
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| Subject: | Continental Rocker Cover Set |
Attached you will find pictures for a set of rocker covers. I restored these myself
and they are in like new condition. Covers have been cleaned and clear coated.
$120.00
Build complete 8/2014
Mike Perez
Karetaker Aero
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| Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools) |
Not sure why this topic is bugging me, but it is.
I'm no Marine, and I didn't fly in the Navy, but I'll throw in my comments anyway.
1) The List
While this "List" has the odd technical difficulty, and maybe could use a little
tweaking, it otherwise works just fine, and serves the purpose it was intended
for - offering a conduit for communication between builders/enthusiasts. The
quantity (and quality :) )of postings does tend to be cyclical, and we just
experienced a low period. However, the past few days seem to be showing a bit
of resurgence. This is normal, and I do not believe it is indicative of the
List dying. The information and friendships that I have gained as a direct result
of this List are invaluable. I think that those who contribute financially
must be satisfied with what they are getting (otherwise they wouldn't contribute.)
And those that do not contribute financially really shouldn't complain,
since they're certainly getting more than their money's worth.
2) The BPA / Brodhead
First off, the annual Pietenpol Fly-in is hosted by EAA chapter 431 (Brodhead),
not the BPA. In recent years, Doc and Dee organized a silent auction in an effort
to generate a small financial contribution to be presented to EAA 431, as
a token of gratitude. Prior to Doc and Dee taking on the BPA, there was basically
zero BPA involvement at the fly-in. It was through Doc and Dee that the
issuing of nametags came about. 2014 was the first gathering since Doc and
Dee stepped down (for a well deserved rest) from the helm of the BPA, and nametags/registration
continued as before. There was a real possibility that the
BPA could have disappeared when Doc and Dee announced their desire to take a
break. Luckily, John Hofmann decided to take on the thankless task of continuing
the newsletter. And, as he has recently informed us, the newsletter will
be getting back on track, and there is an all-new website in the works. We just
need to have a little patience in the interim.
As far as the offering of rides at Brodhead; well, that is solely up to the pilot/owner
of the airplane. While it is a fantastic experience for those who get
to be taken for a ride, it certainly isn't something that pilots should feel
obligated to offer. There are a myriad of reasons why one may not be willing
or able to take passengers up. It may have to do with the performance capabilities
of his/her craft, or the confidence level of the pilot's skills and abilities,
or perhaps less-than-ideal weather conditions, or the not-insignificant
cost of fuel, to name a few. Those who do offer rides are certainly to be thanked
for their generosity, but those who choose not to offer rides should not
be discounted or disparaged.
(stepping off the soapbox)
Bill C.
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Thanks, Bill!!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 4:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools)
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Not sure why this topic is bugging me, but it is.
I'm no Marine, and I didn't fly in the Navy, but I'll throw in my comments
anyway.
1) The List
While this "List" has the odd technical difficulty, and maybe could use a
little tweaking, it otherwise works just fine, and serves the purpose it was
intended for - offering a conduit for communication between
builders/enthusiasts. The quantity (and quality :) )of postings does tend
to be cyclical, and we just experienced a low period. However, the past few
days seem to be showing a bit of resurgence. This is normal, and I do not
believe it is indicative of the List dying. The information and friendships
that I have gained as a direct result of this List are invaluable. I think
that those who contribute financially must be satisfied with what they are
getting (otherwise they wouldn't contribute.) And those that do not
contribute financially really shouldn't complain, since they're certainly
getting more than their money's worth.
2) The BPA / Brodhead
First off, the annual Pietenpol Fly-in is hosted by EAA chapter 431
(Brodhead), not the BPA. In recent years, Doc and Dee organized a silent
auction in an effort to generate a small financial contribution to be
presented to EAA 431, as a token of gratitude. Prior to Doc and Dee taking
on the BPA, there was basically zero BPA involvement at the fly-in. It was
through Doc and Dee that the issuing of nametags came about. 2014 was the
first gathering since Doc and Dee stepped down (for a well deserved rest)
from the helm of the BPA, and nametags/registration continued as before.
There was a real possibility that the BPA could have disappeared when Doc
and Dee announced their desire to take a break. Luckily, John Hofmann
decided to take on the thankless task of continuing the newsletter. And, as
he has recently informed us, the newsletter will be getting back on track,
and there is an all-new website in the works. We just need to have a
little patience in the interim.
As far as the offering of rides at Brodhead; well, that is solely up to the
pilot/owner of the airplane. While it is a fantastic experience for those
who get to be taken for a ride, it certainly isn't something that pilots
should feel obligated to offer. There are a myriad of reasons why one may
not be willing or able to take passengers up. It may have to do with the
performance capabilities of his/her craft, or the confidence level of the
pilot's skills and abilities, or perhaps less-than-ideal weather conditions,
or the not-insignificant cost of fuel, to name a few. Those who do offer
rides are certainly to be thanked for their generosity, but those who choose
not to offer rides should not be discounted or disparaged.
(stepping off the soapbox)
Bill C.
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Oxy
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John
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Well said William....!
FYI, I am choosing to have my welds done professionally. I don't have to buy equipment
or learn that SKILL. I welded in high school but this would be totally
different.
I'm building my Pietenpol for FUN - and screwing up welds on parts I have spent
a great deal of time fabricating would end the fun for me real fast. ....but
that is just one viewpoint on the topic.
It all depends on why you are building. Some people like to do it all and some
farm out some of the steps. There is no right or wrong way.... :-)
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | control and bracing cable |
Do y'all have any suggestions for cleaning up the braided control and
bracing cables? along with the end pieces.
They are in good shape, but dirty and rusty.
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Rumors of My demise are greatly exaggerated!
Signed,
The List
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| Subject: | today's progress |
Painted the PAX shoulder harness attach point and varnished a little block
of wood that my Carb Heat Control will be mounted on.
Was going to paint more but could not find the access panel I need to
repaint. Decided that I was not the brightest and had left them at the
airport. Then after I did about 1/2 of the repair job my wife assigned me,
My wife found them in the kitchen where I left .them.
GAA
But progress is progress.
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Yea, what William said. I didn't buy the tig to learn how to weld on my plane.
My dad welds for a living and he always wanted his own tig so I paid for half
and he is doing the welding. I do waste a lot of gas making the scap metal pile
bigger though, lots of fun!
Keith
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From: aerocarjake <flight.jake@gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 02:21:12 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: MIG or TIG?
Well said William....!
FYI, I am choosing to have my welds done professionally. I don't have to buy equipment
or learn that SKILL. I welded in high school but this would be totally
different.
I'm building my Pietenpol for FUN - and screwing up welds on parts I have spent
a great deal of time fabricating would end the fun for me real fast. ....but
that is just one viewpoint on the topic.
It all depends on why you are building. Some people like to do it all and some
farm out some of the steps. There is no right or wrong way.... :-)
--------
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Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: On the value of flying those still building (long) |
Jack,
I thought about your observations today as I was working in the hangar. Brings
to mind the effect of the newsletter tone. You are not alone in feeling that outgoing
and positive people did not hold center stage in the 1990s. There were
plenty of exceptions, as you note Bill Rewey, but the tone was different, and
I contend that this had its origins in the 1990s newsletter editing.
First something nice; Grant McLaren made a good looking newsletter, and many people
liked it, and he did it for a long time and got a lot of material out there.
On the other side of the Coin, he was not any kind of a builder nor aviator,
and he was relentlessly a Ford car guy. There were few technical articles,
and in the absence of personal experience he fell back on "build it according
to plans" (which is a very good starting point, but it should not end the discussion.)
He didn't like Gregas, but he didn't know any of the technical differences.
He was not an inclusive guy, he would have been just fine if Pietenpol
development ended in the 1930s.
For my 2 cents, Doc and Dee struck the right balance on the editorial line, and
Doc holding both the FAA master Pilot rating and the Charles Taylor award meant
he always had a personal understanding of anything that passed through the
newsletter, even if he never blew his own horn about it. Doc brought out the term
"Snowflakes" to describe the individual nature of the planes builders create,
and why it was good to welcome them all.
After several years of Doc and Dee, their editorial line filtered into builders
perspectives and it effected a sea change in the tone of the community. I liked
this, but I assume that there were people who were nostalgic for Grant's position.
Through every cycle of the community, there will be people who perceive
the same period very differently. but I never have any doubt that Piets and
building them will be here for the 100th, 110th 120th anniversaries of the design.
It will outlive us all, and I am happy about that.
Note to Bill Church: Your points on the other topic about flyers deciding for themselves
if flying people is the right thing to do are very well stated and I
agree 100%. It is a serious personal choice with a lot of issues, and there are
many valid reasons not to. The setting at Colleges I was speaking of are different
than Brodhead, primarily because colleges are 100% builders. At Brodhead,
it is a mixture of builders and spectators, and I personally don't like taking
spectators "for a ride" because I don't think they gain much from it, and
They certainly don't understand the risk, even if you brief them. It can be hard
to sort out who is who. Over the years maybe 350 people flew in our Piet /
601XL / Wagabond. 80 or 90% of these people flew with our friends Arnold Holmes
or Gus Warren, simply because they are better pilots than I, and good risk
management says most skilled guy available is PIC, especially if the passenger
is a non-aviator. -ww.
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Why not Mig? I've done lots of high quality mig welds. I've done collision repair
for 35yrs. With today's hss and hsla steel, precision welds are rather important.
My repairs are expected to endure collision forces just as well as factory.
I'm not trying to argue. I'm just curious why. Glen
Pietenpol Aerial
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 20, 2015, at 7:33 PM, goffelectric@comcast.net wrote:
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> Yea, what William said. I didn't buy the tig to learn how to weld on my plane.
My dad welds for a living and he always wanted his own tig so I paid for half
and he is doing the welding. I do waste a lot of gas making the scap metal pile
bigger though, lots of fun!
>
> Keith
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: aerocarjake <flight.jake@gmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 02:21:12 -0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: MIG or TIG?
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> Well said William....!
>
> FYI, I am choosing to have my welds done professionally. I don't have to buy
equipment or learn that SKILL. I welded in high school but this would be totally
different.
>
> I'm building my Pietenpol for FUN - and screwing up welds on parts I have spent
a great deal of time fabricating would end the fun for me real fast. ....but
that is just one viewpoint on the topic.
>
> It all depends on why you are building. Some people like to do it all and some
farm out some of the steps. There is no right or wrong way.... :-)
>
> --------
> Jake Schultz - curator,
> Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437379#437379
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Glen,
The primary argument against it is that on small thin wall 4130 tubes, unless the
operator uses great care, there is the potential to produce unacceptably brittle
welds. They will pass most tests, but if you examine a crashed plane carefully,
you can some times see a break in the structure right next to a welded
cluster, and because of this the airframe might not performe as we understand
that a gas or tig welded fuselage will in an accident.
The brittleness is a byproduct of how fast the weld heats up, and how quickly it
cools, in addition to the deposited filler wire having the potential to hump
up and be thick right to the edge of the bead, and suddenly transition to the
basic tube diameter. It is a load concentration. A very skilled mig operator
can get around these issues, if, the airframe is designed with favorable wall
thickness tubes, and he produces beads that have more material in them ( but evenly
deposited), where the higher mass slows the rate if cooling by a critical
few seconds.
If you listen to it being done, the operators are repeatedly hitting the trigger
(this is called pulsing, but it isn't the same as a pulser function on a tig
welder) If all of these factors are covered, it can be airworthy, but it isn't
likely that new welders will do this, so mig is not a good idea for most homebuilders.
-ww.
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| Subject: | Re: control and bracing cable |
I use scotchbrite pads with good effect. Learned that at the eaa. Dirty is normal,
probably shouldn't be rusty though for reuse...
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