Today's Message Index:
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1. 07:34 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (William Wynne)
2. 09:12 AM - UPDATE ON GARDINER MASON (Jerry Dotson)
3. 09:26 AM - Work list for this weekend (Steven Dortch)
4. 09:47 AM - Re: UPDATE ON GARDINER MASON (tools)
5. 09:51 AM - Data Plate and airworthiness certificate (Steven Dortch)
6. 12:56 PM - Re: Corvair College 32 - San Marcos Texas (nippaero)
7. 02:00 PM - Jerry Dotson's post (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
8. 04:10 PM - Re: UPDATE ON GARDINER MASON (Jack Philips)
9. 04:13 PM - Re: Data Plate and airworthiness certificate (Jack Philips)
10. 05:24 PM - Re: UPDATE ON GARDINER MASON (William Wynne)
11. 06:22 PM - For your viewing pleasure... (Gary Boothe)
12. 07:37 PM - Re: For your viewing pleasure... (Gary Boothe)
13. 08:53 PM - Re: For your viewing pleasure... (Ray Krause)
14. 11:06 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol Aerobatics (CLIF DAWSON)
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Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
Mr. Eagle,
I have to agree that Facebook and more modern discussion formats do drain off many
contributors. On the FB pages you can click on a link and see who is a reader,
and it is easy to see that many people belong to all lists, not just one,
but the formats like FB generate more comments and there are advantages with
photos and links. I personally like the idea that every person commenting has
a name and identity. It works both ways, I think readers give the benefit of the
doubt on ambiguous comments if they can click on the commenters name and instantly
see something about them.
.
The Matroics/zenith list was at one time one of the most active matronics groups.
Today it is essentially dead, it was not displaced by FB, it was done entirely
by "Zenith builders and flyers", the factory run group that works much like
FB. It was only created after many people made repeated attemps to get Matt
Draile to reveal the identity of hyper anti-zenith commentators, suspected to
be other kit makers. In the free market of places for builders to spend their
hours, the only valid test, matronics lost.
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In the final measure, matronics, FB or any other format will never compete with
hanging out with friends at a small airport on a sunny day. Neither should it
be a large alternative to enjoying hours in the shop working on you own plane,
with your tools, your hands, your thoughts. Just speaking of communications,
newsletters, websites groups, their lasting value to a builder is Content. People
looking for entertainment or validation have different criterion, but those
with the goal learn build and fly are in need of proven content, and they
understand that it will frequently be revealed in non-entertaining presentations
like debate and posts longer than a bumper sticker.
,
For a final note on how it is the understanding of builders that matters, not the
format, follow this: On one of the Face Book Pietenpol pages, a person shared
a single photo of a small single seat biplane called a "Roe Sport" which absolutely
is a magnificent piece of work with pure Pietenpol DNA, beautifully proportioned.
It generated 21 comments about it, including a lot of negative, completely
unfounded criticism, claims it was a copy of a Gere (it isn't) and including
one person who made a big point that it shouldn't be allowed to be called
a Pietenpol, something the builder never did.
.
Twenty one comments about a man's beautiful work, not all of them pleasant. NOT
ONE single one of them knew /mentioned / cared Roe built this whole plane by
himself 25 years ago, alone, while he was trapped in a WHEELCHAIR, all for the
love of creating a plane as he saw fit, one he would never fly in. It does not
matter how good the software is, or how glossy the newsletter, or how well bound
the book is; if it does not include the acknowledgement that a man confined
to a wheelchair, who has the will to wake up every day and struggle for years
to build his own design is beyond the comments of critics, then it isn't worth
reading.-ww.
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Subject: | UPDATE ON GARDINER MASON |
Gardner did have a stroke some months ago. He is doing great now. He goes next
week to take some kind of test to get his drivers license back. He sounded so
good and upbeat. He has no paralysis thankfully. He wants to get back to the
hangar. :D
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Jerry Dotson
First flight June 16,2012
Flying in phase 2
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
do not archive
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Subject: | Work list for this weekend |
On my list for this weekend.
install front shoulder harness attach and burn cut ends on harness. (15 min)
Make another run at painting my access covers.
Take Dykes and cut ends on cotterkeys and dress up cotterkeys (15 min)
Attach the cockpit carb heat control (20 MIN)
Install my data plate 15 min
Make and mount Wing tank Cover (3 hours+ Not including bringing home and
priming, painting and reinstalling).
Reinstall belly panel (5 min)
Make Small side panel (1 hour not including prime paint and reinstall)
Screw in rear seat..
I will also get some work done on the tail.
If I get most of this done I will be happy. I am also tasked with Smoking a
chicken and several honey dos.
Now y'all get to work on your planes.
Blue Skies,
Steve D.
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Subject: | Re: UPDATE ON GARDINER MASON |
That's great to hear! Thanks for the update!
Tools
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Subject: | Data Plate and airworthiness certificate |
What is the conventional, and unconventional wisdom on where to attach the
data plate and airworthiness certificate?
The FAA says "The ID plate must be secured to the aircraft fuselage
exterior so it is legible to a person on the ground. "Cessna's have them
under the horizontal stab on the left side. My Vtail has it mounted on the
fuel pump cover inside the cockpit on the floor. The cover is held by about
6 screws. Visible from the outside (if you know what you are looking at),
but not legible. It has passed muster for 68 years.I am thinking about on
the front instrument panel, or on the sidewall inside in the rear cockpit.
The Airworthiness certificate must be visible to the crew or passengers.
On my Vtail it is in the rear of the baggage area Very visible as people
get in and from the outside. I am thinking about somewhere under the
instrument panel on the side walls or even on the front wall under the
panel. Between my feet.
What have y'all done and why? (I have searched the archives)
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Subject: | Re: Corvair College 32 - San Marcos Texas |
William Wynne wrote:
> Builders,
> You do not need an engine, nor a manual, or even a project in your shop to attend. Every college has a number of people who are on a recon run, to get a look at it for themselves. If you would like to see a 7 minute film made about the Colleges by the EAA staff, look at this http://flycorvair.net/2014/11/06/new-eaa-video-on-corvair-college27-barnwell-2013/
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Thats a great video. I hadn't seen that one before. I picked up one of your conversion
manuals a few years ago at OSH. I hope to attend a Corsair College someday!
Mike
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Subject: | Jerry Dotson's post |
I completely yield to the gentleman from Florida! Very good post Jerry and keeping
it positive is the way to go. This list has
been a great source for information and thru this list and the gatherings at Brodhead
I've been blessed with some of the best
nuckleheaded friends a man could ever ask for-----lifelong friendships from 2,
3, 7 states away!
I don't mind answering or helping anyone if I can, even if I've posted the same
sketch or drawing 18 times before. Funny how we
can pass the torch like we do and we can trace (as you did in your post) how we
got into this world. I had a friend from high school,
equally nuts about aviation. Art (now a United pilot) went to college with a guy
named Frank. Art says, "you gotta see this plane my
buddy at college built with his Dad." Art's friend was Frank Pavliga and Art
was kind enough to introduce me to Frank one day.
I found out that Frank was as sick as I am and we quickly became friends. Airplanes
aside, I ended up not talking Frank out of it on
the altar one day and was his best man at his wedding.
Let's keep passing this Pietenpol torch. What a great little airplane. You know
one of the things I totally love about this plane? Kids
at fly-in's and air shows can see over the rear cockpit without any trouble.
So cool. Simple, but means a lot. Those memories might
just spark that kid into going into aviation someday.
Mike C.
Ohio
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Subject: | UPDATE ON GARDINER MASON |
Good to hear, Jerry! Thanks for letting us know. Gardiner is good people.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 12:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: UPDATE ON GARDINER MASON
--> <jdotson@centurylink.net>
Gardner did have a stroke some months ago. He is doing great now. He goes
next week to take some kind of test to get his drivers license back. He
sounded so good and upbeat. He has no paralysis thankfully. He wants to get
back to the hangar. :D
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Jerry Dotson
First flight June 16,2012
Flying in phase 2
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
do not archive
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Subject: | Data Plate and airworthiness certificate |
Steve, I put mine in the rear cockpit on the right side wall, under the
upper longeron. It is readily visible while standing outside the rear
cockpit.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven
Dortch
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 12:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Data Plate and airworthiness certificate
What is the conventional, and unconventional wisdom on where to attach
the data plate and airworthiness certificate?
The FAA says "The ID plate must be secured to the aircraft fuselage
exterior so it is legible to a person on the ground. "Cessna's have them
under the horizontal stab on the left side. My Vtail has it mounted on
the fuel pump cover inside the cockpit on the floor. The cover is held
by about 6 screws. Visible from the outside (if you know what you are
looking at), but not legible. It has passed muster for 68 years.I am
thinking about on the front instrument panel, or on the sidewall inside
in the rear cockpit.
The Airworthiness certificate must be visible to the crew or passengers.
On my Vtail it is in the rear of the baggage area Very visible as
people get in and from the outside. I am thinking about somewhere under
the instrument panel on the side walls or even on the front wall under
the panel. Between my feet.
What have y'all done and why? (I have searched the archives)
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Subject: | Re: UPDATE ON GARDINER MASON |
Jerry,
You are a good man for being concerned about G. Lion Mason, and checking in. You
guys probably missed this, but Gardiner wrote into this list 72 hours ago on
the story of continental parts for sale. He is here and on duty, and I am guessing
reading this thread with a smile thinking "reports of my demise may be premature"
.
A number of us on the Corvair side have been kept informed by Terry Hand. He lives
near Gardiner and shares the USMC / Delta pilot connections. A number of months
back Terry picked up Gardiners Corvair after he opted to a Continental 85,
and Terry had kept us informed under the radar of Gardiner's good progress.
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For Piet builders who are yet to meet him, he is a genuine character. He came to a number of Colleges and flew in to several of the Barnwell events. He had the misfortune of having his bird on the very bottom of the 2011 Piet n Pile at the SnF tornado, but got it back flying with hard work. I have a long story about eyebrow cooling systems on our site centered on Gardiners plane: http://www.flycorvair.com/pietengineissue.html The last four paragraphs are about his life in aviation and how he was down at our place when our neighbors were hosting an Naval Attack pilots reunion, a nice coincidence and how it was great to see Gardiner suddenly in the company of real peers. -ww.
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Subject: | For your viewing pleasure... |
http://www.youtu.be/H3aWGxwgSuw
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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Subject: | For your viewing pleasure... |
<http://youtu.be/H3aWGxwgSuw> http://youtu.be/H3aWGxwgSuw
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 6:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: For your viewing pleasure...
http://www.youtu.be/H3aWGxwgSuw
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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Subject: | Re: For your viewing pleasure... |
Gary,
Sure beautiful, nice days huh? Tail covering almost done.
Ray
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 24, 2015, at 6:21 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
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> http://www.youtu.be/H3aWGxwgSuw
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> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Aerobatics |
Before or after breakfast?
Clif
Scott,
What is your empty weight? Just curious.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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