---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/26/15: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:39 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (William Wynne) 2. 04:02 AM - Re: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (danhelsper@aol.com) 3. 05:01 AM - Re: Data Plate and airworthiness certificate (womenfly2) 4. 06:14 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Bill Church) 5. 07:02 AM - Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march (bdewenter) 6. 07:03 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Baldeagle) 7. 07:08 AM - Re: Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march (Marcus Zechini) 8. 07:51 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (Don Emch) 9. 08:15 AM - Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march (Lorenzo) 10. 09:11 AM - Re: Re: Data Plate and airworthiness certificate (airlion2@gmail.com) 11. 09:58 AM - Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march (tools) 12. 09:59 AM - Re: Re: Data Plate and airworthiness certificate (glenschweizer@yahoo.com) 13. 10:12 AM - Re: For your viewing pleasure... (tools) 14. 11:29 AM - Official drink of Pietenpoler's? (tools) 15. 12:12 PM - Re: Official drink of Pietenpoler's? (Boatright, Jeffrey) 16. 12:21 PM - Re: Official drink of Pietenpoler's? (woodflier) 17. 12:39 PM - Re: Official drink of Pietenpoler's? (tools) 18. 12:54 PM - Re: Data Plate and airworthiness certificate (AircamperN11MS) 19. 01:01 PM - Re: Official drink of Pietenpoler's? (Jack Philips) 20. 03:41 PM - Re: Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march (Tony Crawford) 21. 06:04 PM - Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march (tools) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:39:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? From: "William Wynne" Mr, Eagle, Perhaps I should have just said I read the story of Mr. Roe 25 years ago, and even though I was young and not a particularly thoughtful human, I found it very moving, and it shaped my understanding of what a homebuilt could mean to the man who created it. I haven't read the story in 20 years, but it sticks with me, and I simply wished that some of those 21 people had read it and been moved like I was. .. ----------------------------------------------------- .. Sometimes I picture the world of experimental aircraft as having separated into a broad gulf with two shores. On one extreme, you have the very upper management of EAA, who appear to have lost their way, with people who care nothing for homebuilts, working out corporate sponsorship arrangements for Airventure, culminating in things like Pietenpols getting side lined so Piper can showcase it's crappy light jet. On the opposite bank, I like to think we have Pietenpol people. Here, people, and character still matter, things are not solely judged on the thickness of the wallet. I started thinking like this after Oshkosh 2002, when after a terrible week, Grace and I drove over to Dave Minsink's and went to Cherry Grove. The story is here: http://flycorvair.net/2013/01/12/cherry-grove-story-part-2/ . While the 'modern' corporate world of experimentals has drifted away, I would like to think, that the Pietenpol side of the experimental world, with the patron saint of homebuilding as our guide and our own set of champions, will be the keepers of what is good about the brotherhood of homebuilding. Although the EAA published the story about Roe, with Paul and Jack Cox passed and Mary Jones out of the day to day, I doubt a single person in the building would remember the Roe story. I am not mad at them for it, it isn't really their job to, but I like to think it should be ours. I am not suggesting that every old homebuilt be venerated by everyone, just that the works that really were a supreme act of human will, like Roe's, be remembered by say one out of ten of us. That would be enough. .. ----------------------------------------------------------- .. I highly suggest reading the original story. beyond the human element, it might change your mind about how much Pietenpol the man put in the plane. The wings were the BHP airfoil scaled 4/5ths, the fuselage layout and the tail identical, etc.,,,,,,,,,,,When you come right down to it, Only a plane built by the man himself, like the last original, it really and truly a "Pietenpol" every other one is an replica, some very close, others not so much, but in each case where the builder like Roe was truly inspired buy the work of BHP, I don't really care what they call it. -ww. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437648#437648 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? From: danhelsper@aol.com =0AMr. Biplan,=0A=0A=0AFirst off, most people put their name at the end of their posts so others can politely call them by name. That's just what we do here in this friendly forum. Secondly, Douwe Blumberg doesn't have a caustic bone in his body, so you obviously misunderstood whatever comments he hap pened to leave. It's (maybe a foreign concept to you) called "humility". So your conclusion is incorrect. Maybe some so rt of misdirected envy, do to not being included in the "h igher anarchy".=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0ALoensloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A =0A=0A(Where is the T.C. when you need him?)=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Origi nal Message-----=0AFrom: biplan53 =0ATo: pietenpol -list =0ASent: Mon, Jan 26, 2015 12:45 am=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dy n53@hotmail.com>=0A=0AI might as well put my 2 cents in. When Blumberg put a picture of his plane in =0Athe Forum I said it was a nice looking plane. He comes back with a caust ic reply =0Athat he didn't put his picture in here for com pliments. Since then I come to the =0Aconclusion that if you are not in the higher anarchy you are not much welcome. =0AI know this sounds like sour grapes,but I have talked to other people and they =0Athink so too. It's a bad situa tion when you go to The Biplan forum and the =0Apeople are a lot friendlier. I know there are a lot of good people like Terry =0AHand and others who are helpful and fun to talk to.=0A=0A--------=0ABuilding steel fuselage aircamper.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A Read this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic. =========================== =========================== =========================== - List Contribution Web Site -=0A_ -Matt =========================== ==========0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:52 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Data Plate and airworthiness certificate From: "womenfly2" Aircraft Data Plate .... One thing to add, the data plate cannot be Aluminum (stainless steel is the choice material) and the aircraft information must be stamped into or engraved on the data plate. This requirement is so the data plate and its information can be read after being in a fire. WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437651#437651 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:05 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? From: "Bill Church" For anyone that's interested, attached is a copy of the inspiring Sport Aviation article mentioned by William. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437652#437652 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/1990_03_06_117.pdf ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:21 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march From: "bdewenter" Good Piet folks, I just have to chime in on toolstock. Search this list and you will find a very old post from a guy named "tools" offering up his shop to anyone who wanted to "tinker with his machines". My first thought was the movie Deliverance...I shuddered to think about a guy from Ohio visiting a guy in Tennessee who posted on the internet to come on over for the weekend. A year later I was schooled by Terry Hand and Gardner Mason who were each planning on attending toolstock '14. I decided to attend. But all this time I'm wondering who this 'tools' is. Then I learn he is a Delta pilot and good friends with Terry (Mr. Hand as I call him) also a Delta captain. We had a great time. I learned how to use a lathe and tried my hand at TIG welding along with another Piet builder whose name I will omit here (but might have mentioned above) for what we did to tools poor TIG welder. Here are some other highlights Lunch Saturday was pulled pork (from either one of the hogs named bacon and pork chop) who were both fine and dandy early Friday. Pork Chop (or was it Bacon) was suddenly very lonely and well behaved. There is a firing range that I plan on making more use of this year. If there is a machine made in the world, tools likely has one. If you are reasonably close to Chattanooga I highly recommend attending. I drove 7 hours each way. I'm sure Dan will take you up for a Piet ride also. -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437653#437653 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:13 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? From: "Baldeagle" That's indeed a great story, thanks for posting it- - -------- do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437654#437654 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march From: Marcus Zechini I have acquired a Smithy lathe/milling combo...Tools could train??? I may have to visit. On Jan 26, 2015 10:05 AM, "bdewenter" wrote: > > Good Piet folks, > > I just have to chime in on toolstock. Search this list and you will find > a very old post from a guy named "tools" offering up his shop to anyone who > wanted to "tinker with his machines". My first thought was the movie > Deliverance...I shuddered to think about a guy from Ohio visiting a guy in > Tennessee who posted on the internet to come on over for the weekend. > > A year later I was schooled by Terry Hand and Gardner Mason who were each > planning on attending toolstock '14. I decided to attend. But all this > time I'm wondering who this 'tools' is. Then I learn he is a Delta pilot > and good friends with Terry (Mr. Hand as I call him) also a Delta captain. > > We had a great time. I learned how to use a lathe and tried my hand at > TIG welding along with another Piet builder whose name I will omit here > (but might have mentioned above) for what we did to tools poor TIG welder. > Here are some other highlights > > Lunch Saturday was pulled pork (from either one of the hogs named bacon > and pork chop) who were both fine and dandy early Friday. Pork Chop (or > was it Bacon) was suddenly very lonely and well behaved. > > There is a firing range that I plan on making more use of this year. > > If there is a machine made in the world, tools likely has one. > > If you are reasonably close to Chattanooga I highly recommend attending. > I drove 7 hours each way. > > I'm sure Dan will take you up for a Piet ride also. > > -------- > Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter > Dayton OH > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437653#437653 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:23 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? From: "Don Emch" I knew I had seen the Roe Sport years ago! Thanks for posting that Bill. Neat story! I mentioned it on Facebook and I'll say it here too... It is a stunning and beautiful ship! And he took building an airplane to a new level. Just not a Pietenpol, that's all. But it is a ship I'd be proud to own and fly! Very nice. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437658#437658 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:34 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march From: "Lorenzo" I'll be there on Sat. Driving from Tellico Plains, TN if anyone wants to share a ride. Had a blast last year. I'll probably bring a few pieces parts from my Piet project. Lorenzo Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437660#437660 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Data Plate and airworthiness certificate From: airlion2@gmail.com Scott, I am replacing my corvair with a C 85 and am wondering what kind of performance you are getting. I hope to be flying by summertime. Thanks, Gardiner mason. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 25, 2015, at 8:03 PM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > > Steve, > my data plate is on the forward face of the turtle deck between my shoulder blades. My airworthiness is on the back side of the front seat back. It is out of the windy part of the cockpit and protected by rain or morning dew if left outside at Brodhead. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437635#437635 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:02 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march From: "tools" Got several mills and lathes in operation and would be happy to teach you anything I can. There will be a number of accomplished machinists there as mentors. I recommend you bring something along you need machined, or have a project in mind we might be able to help you with. You have to be proactive and just ask! It's a hectic weekend... easy to get lost in the crowd. So don't feel weird about just stepping up and asking. Don't wait until... there's a slow period, the machine isn't being used, whatever... just wade into the middle of everything and make yourself known! If anything around there tickles your fancy and you just want to play with it, again, just ask. If you see someone struggling, offer to help. There isn't a schedule of "things", we all just go with the flow. Hope to see you there! Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437662#437662 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:16 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Data Plate and airworthiness certificate From: glenschweizer@yahoo.com Hi Gardiner Why are you replacing your Corvair engine? I have started on an Aerial, the biplane version of a pietenpol. I plan to build a 110 HP WW conversion to power it with. Glen Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 26, 2015, at 9:10 AM, airlion2@gmail.com wrote: > > > Scott, I am replacing my corvair with a C 85 and am wondering what kind of performance you are getting. I hope to be flying by summertime. Thanks, Gardiner mason. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jan 25, 2015, at 8:03 PM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: >> >> >> Steve, >> my data plate is on the forward face of the turtle deck between my shoulder blades. My airworthiness is on the back side of the front seat back. It is out of the windy part of the cockpit and protected by rain or morning dew if left outside at Brodhead. >> >> -------- >> Scott Liefeld >> Flying N11MS since March 1972 >> Steel Tube >> C-85-12 >> Wire Wheels >> Brodhead in 1996 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437635#437635 > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:02 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: For your viewing pleasure... From: "tools" Hey Tony, My piet is over just south of Chart TN. You're welcome to come check it out anytime. Might want to consider coming to visit the last weekend of Feb, as I'm hosting an event where there will be a number of Piet builders and flyers. Check out the Toolstock thread for details. Tools, 423 580 1383 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437664#437664 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:29:47 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Official drink of Pietenpoler's? From: "tools" Saw this yesterday at a bar. Didn't get a chance to try it though... Just thought it kind of appropriate! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437668#437668 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/screenshot_1_368.png ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:50 PM PST US From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Official drink of Pietenpoler's? 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From: woodflier I got some of that as a birthday present last year. The giver understood the connection. =0A=0A=0AMatt Paxton=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message-----=0AFrom: Boatright, Jeffrey =0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Mon, Jan 26, 2015 3:15 pm=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Official drink o f Pietenpoler's?=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOh, I gots to get me some o =99 that! It is cold and wet down here in Georgia today.=0A list@matronics.com" =0ADate: Monday, January 26, 2015 at 2:28 PM=0ATo: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" =0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Official drink of Pi ools" =0A=0A=0ASaw this yesterday at a bar. 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If the reader of this message is not the i ntended=0Arecipient, you are hereby notified that any disseminatio n, distribution=0Aor copying of this message (including any atta chments) is strictly=0Aprohibited.=0A=0AIf you have received this message in error, please contact=0Athe sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the=0Aoriginal message (includ ing attachments).=0A=0A=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD~=EF=BD=EF=BD,=EF=BD =EF=BD=EF=BD%=EF=BD=EF=BDM4=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BDx=EF=BD=EF =BD=EF=BD=EF=BDw=EF=BDr=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Official drink of Pietenpoler's? From: "tools" Well? Is it any good? Probably get a bottle anyway. I do love old fashions... A bar up the street from me has a nice old fashioned menu, one which is rye based (which I think is the original basis anyway), and got me started drinking rye. This stuff really peaked my interest. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437672#437672 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:54:17 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Data Plate and airworthiness certificate From: "AircamperN11MS" Hi Gardiner, I'm really glad to see you posting again and feeling better. I love my C-85. I'm not too sure which numbers you would like to see but here goes. I would like to recommend that you try a 72-42 prop. The 72-44 recommended for the 85 works good at sea level, but if you fly anywhere in high density altitude the 42 in pitch is a lot better. The Piet is just too slow and draggy for the 44 inch prop to work good. The 42 inch also helps with those heavy passengers if you take them. My take off roll at sea level, solo and no wind can be as short as 130 feet. At 4,000 feet the take off will be closer to 300 feet. I believe that the rate of climb difference you will see flying solo will be negligible. Your rate of climb should be better than mine because of the under-camber wing you have. Remember that I have a Cub airfoil and I have only a 27' wingspan. My stall and cruise speeds are higher then yours. This reminds me, last June while flying home from the Frazier Lake Gathering I was flying two ship with Mike Groah. He has a Corvair in his. He could out climb me by a fair amount due to the airfoil and length. Mike's cruise speed was quite a bit slower then mine too. If I slowed down to where he was flying, I would slowly start sinking. I kept having to climb back up to his alt. I guess that I am saying that outright numbers would be impossible to compare. Here are my numbers anyway. All numbers are MPH. Stall 40 Cruise between 70 and 90. Redline is 120. Cruising at 70 wil get me about 5.4 GPH. Cruising at 85-90 gets me about 5.7 GPH. I have never measured the rate of climb but I do know a Corvair powered Piet climbs better than me. The rate of descent? Well just throw a brick out and see where you are going to land. We are equal when it come to this one. If you want something more specific, maybe I can try to figure that out for you. I think we are truthfully comparing Oranges and Tangerines. The wing being the big difference. Come on out to California and we will go fly mine. See if you like it. Oh, One more thing. When you do the change, off-set the vertical to the other side cause the Cont. turns backwards :) when compared to the Corvair. Does this help? -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437673#437673 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:01:48 PM PST US From: "Jack Philips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Official drink of Pietenpoler's? Sounds good to me! Wish it was single malt scotch, instead of rye, but I like the name! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia Where it is cold, rainy and generally nasty today. A good day to try a new whisky -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tools Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 2:29 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Official drink of Pietenpoler's? Saw this yesterday at a bar. Didn't get a chance to try it though... Just thought it kind of appropriate! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437668#437668 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/screenshot_1_368.png ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:32 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march From: Tony Crawford Hi, Where is this "Toolstock 2015". 26 February - 1 march?? Tony Toney Alabama On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Lorenzo wrote: > > I'll be there on Sat. Driving from Tellico Plains, TN if anyone wants to > share a ride. Had a blast last year. I'll probably bring a few pieces parts > from my Piet project. > > Lorenzo > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437660#437660 > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:58 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march From: "tools" 335 Castlerock Ln, Chickamauga, GA 30707 Just south of Chart TN. Call for details if ya want, 423 580 1383 Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437679#437679 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.