---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/27/15: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:05 AM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (biplan53) 2. 03:33 AM - Re: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (danhelsper@aol.com) 3. 06:17 AM - Re: UPDATE ON GARDINER MASON (Jerry Dotson) 4. 08:22 AM - Full size gusset on rib (Pocono John) 5. 08:48 AM - Re: Full size gusset on rib (AircamperN11MS) 6. 08:59 AM - Re: Full size gusset on rib (Pocono John) 7. 09:00 AM - Re: Re: Full size gusset on rib (Gary Boothe) 8. 09:03 AM - Re: Full size gusset on rib (AircamperN11MS) 9. 09:14 AM - Re: Re: Full size gusset on rib (Jack Philips) 10. 12:41 PM - Flop hold down (Fastnaught John) 11. 01:20 PM - Re: Flop hold down (jarheadpilot82) 12. 01:46 PM - Re: Flop hold down (AircamperN11MS) 13. 01:57 PM - Re: Flop hold down (Ben Charvet) 14. 02:48 PM - Re: Full size gusset on rib (Pocono John) 15. 02:51 PM - Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march (tkreiner) 16. 10:54 PM - Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (biplan53) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:05:15 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? From: "biplan53" Dan you read my comment before I went back and rewrote it. It hit me the wrong way and I got it off my chest . If Dowe is as good a person as you say he is I want to be the first to apologize. You or he can call me any time at 318-255-8539 My name is Mike Smith at Ruston La. I don't hide behind a code name. This is the first time I got into it on a forum. -------- Building steel fuselage aircamper. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437686#437686 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:33:28 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? From: danhelsper@aol.com Hello Mike Smith, =0A=0A=0AWelcome to the Piet list. Everybody screws up once in a while (ask me how I know). If I ca n be of any service to you please ask. Look forward to f uture conversations, and any contributions you can give/take. Ho pe to meet you in person at Brodhead.=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0ALoen sloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN =0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFro m: biplan53 =0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Tue, Jan 27, 2015 2:07 am=0ASubject: Pieten pol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?=0A=0A=0A--> Pieten pol-List message posted by: "biplan53" =0A=0ADan you read my comment before I went back and rewrote it. It hit me the wrong =0Away and I got it off my chest . If Dowe is as good a person as you say he is I =0Aw ant to be the first to apologize. You or he can call me any time at =0A318-255-8539 My name is Mike Smith at Rust on La. I don't hide behind a code =0Aname. This is the f irst time I got into it on a forum.=0A=0A--------=0ABuilding s teel fuselage aircamper.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437686#437686=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =========================== =========================== =========================== =========================== =========================== ========================0A=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:07 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: UPDATE ON GARDINER MASON From: "Jerry Dotson" Yes I think a lot of Gardner. When I first started my Piet I drove to Atlanta to buy the materials I knew I needed and made arrangements with Gardner to visit with him at his hangar in LaGrange. He has since came and visited with me just about a whole day just before my Piet was finished. I went whole hog and we had "Baloney"....not bologna sandwiches for dinner. A good man he is. -------- Jerry Dotson First flight June 16,2012 Flying in phase 2 Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437695#437695 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:52 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Full size gusset on rib From: "Pocono John" Looking at photos, I see some builders have installed a full size gusset on the outside section of ribs where the wings meet the center section. I don't see that on the plans. Just checking if it is on the plans and I missed itor perhaps there's a good reason for full size gussets. Thank you. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437701#437701 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:44 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Full size gusset on rib From: "AircamperN11MS" Hi John, Most guys will gusset the ribs as you descibed to prevent any crushing effect when you tighten the fabric. You could add lightning holes to the gussets to save some weight. An overly simplified answer, I know. Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437706#437706 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:36 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Full size gusset on rib From: "Pocono John" Thanks! Is it the typical 1/16"mahogany? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437707#437707 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:40 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Full size gusset on rib Ha! You made me look! My plans don't show that either...I must have picked it up from comments on The List... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AircamperN11MS Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 8:48 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Full size gusset on rib --> Hi John, Most guys will gusset the ribs as you descibed to prevent any crushing effect when you tighten the fabric. You could add lightning holes to the gussets to save some weight. An overly simplified answer, I know. Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437706#437706 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:15 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Full size gusset on rib From: "AircamperN11MS" That material would work just fine. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437709#437709 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:14:17 AM PST US From: "Jack Philips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Full size gusset on rib Also, having the whole rib gusseted gives you a nice surface to glue the fabric to, rather than trying to get a good glue job on a 1/4" thick piece of capstrip. You really should have at least a 1" overlap of fabric onto wood to get a nice glue joint. As mentioned, the tautening of the fabric puts a considerable tension on the fabric, and all that tension has to be resisted by the glue joint on that end rib. You would hate it if two years after you finished your plane, the fabric started pulling loose on the butt rib. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AircamperN11MS Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 11:48 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Full size gusset on rib --> Hi John, Most guys will gusset the ribs as you descibed to prevent any crushing effect when you tighten the fabric. You could add lightning holes to the gussets to save some weight. An overly simplified answer, I know. Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437706#437706 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:10 PM PST US From: Fastnaught John Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flop hold down Hello to all, Im about to get my airworthiness inspection (Feb. 14th) and have just a few items to fix. One that perplexes me is how to hold down the flop. Some sort of latching mechanism is necessary. I have come up with a few ideas but none are really very good or easy. Im sure some of you have already been there and have some great ideas. If any of you do have some neat ideas would you please share them with me. I appreciate you help. Thanks, Jack N144JF wire wheels Model A ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:20:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flop hold down From: "jarheadpilot82" Jack, I give full credit to P.F. Beck for this design. It cost me a whole nothing. If you go to the dumpster at the local Home Depot they have the aluminum bands that go around stacks of lumber. Grab that and cut length as needed. The little lip has a hole drilled in it and a wood screw is put in the proper position. The head is ground off with just enough left to use your Phillips head screw driver to bite. When the flop comes down the metal piece comes down and clips on the screw head. There is a little spring pressure that keeps it in place. It works great. I think P.F. Used only one. I am a belt and suspenders guy, so I put two. The picture is off the flop upside down, but I hope the picture helps. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437731#437731 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_714.jpg ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:46:47 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flop hold down From: "AircamperN11MS" Jack, I have flown a couple of Piets with the single latch like the one Terry has shown you. It works very well if you want my vote. Happy Landings, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437732#437732 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:52 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flop hold down Congratulations on scheduling your airworthiness inspection. Ben Charvet On 1/27/2015 3:40 PM, Fastnaught John wrote: > > Hello to all, > Im about to get my airworthiness inspection (Feb. 14th) and have just a few items to fix. One that perplexes me is how to hold down the flop. Some sort of latching mechanism is necessary. I have come up with a few ideas but none are really very good or easy. Im sure some of you have already been there and have some great ideas. If any of you do have some neat ideas would you please share them with me. > I appreciate you help. > Thanks, > Jack > > N144JF > wire wheels > Model A > > -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Full size gusset on rib From: "Pocono John" Thank you all. Just about to make the final ten ribs, which will be the (six) end ribs and aileron area ribs. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437739#437739 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:51:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march From: "tkreiner" Got my airline tickets this morning! Arrive Thursday at 7:55... If anyone is driving up from Atlanta, I'll buy dinner on the way up.. PM me. Thanks -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437740#437740 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? From: "biplan53" Thanks Dan I appreciate it. I will try to stay on target. If I can help call me. I might not know the answer , but I can find someone who does. -------- Building steel fuselage aircamper. 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