---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/28/15: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:04 AM - Re: Flop hold down (danhelsper@aol.com) 2. 04:12 AM - My "caustic remark" (Douwe) 3. 05:14 AM - Re: My "caustic remark" (Steven Dortch) 4. 06:33 AM - Rockler-type latches for wing baggage door hold down (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 5. 06:47 AM - Re: My "caustic remark" (goffelectric@comcast.net) 6. 07:19 AM - Re: My "caustic remark" (Tony Crawford) 7. 07:28 AM - BHP Photo () 8. 07:44 AM - Re: BHP Photo (AircamperN11MS) 9. 07:47 AM - FW: BHP Photo (Gary Boothe) 10. 07:53 AM - Re: My "caustic remark" (AircamperN11MS) 11. 07:58 AM - Re: Flop hold down (Fastnaught John) 12. 08:00 AM - Re: BHP Photo (AircamperN11MS) 13. 10:14 AM - Re: Flop hold down (danhelsper@aol.com) 14. 11:49 AM - Re: Re: BHP Photo (Gary Boothe) 15. 05:54 PM - Re: Re: My "caustic remark" (Tony Crawford) 16. 07:11 PM - Re: BHP Photo (nightmare) 17. 07:18 PM - bent aileron horn (Steven Dortch) 18. 07:25 PM - Re: Re: My "caustic remark" (Steven Dortch) 19. 07:48 PM - Re: bent aileron horn (Boatright, Jeffrey) 20. 08:46 PM - Re: bent aileron horn (Gary Boothe) 21. 11:17 PM - Re: My "caustic remark" (biplan53) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:04:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flop hold down From: danhelsper@aol.com Hi Jack,=0A=0A=0ACongrats on your inspection (photos?). This is what I used. I chose it because I thought it looked Piet-e n-polish.http://www.rockler.com/classic-oblong-catches-select-finish=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0ALoensloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Mess age-----=0AFrom: Fastnaught John =0ATo: Piete npol List =0ASent: Tue, Jan 27, 2015 2:41 pm=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Flop hold down=0A=0A=0A--> Pieten pol-List message posted by: Fastnaught John =0A=0AHello to all,=0AI=99m about to get my airworthiness inspection (Feb. 14th) and have just a few =0Aitems to fi x. One that perplexes me is how to hold down the flop. S ome sort of =0Alatching mechanism is necessary. I have come up with a few ideas but none are =0Areally very good or easy. I=99m sure some of you have already been there a nd have =0Asome great ideas. If any of you do have some neat ideas would you please share =0Athem with me. =0AI appr eciate you help.=0AThanks,=0AJack=0A=0AN144JF=0Awire wheels=0AModel A=0A =========================== =========================== =========================== =========================== =========================0A=0A=0A =0A=0A =0A ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:12:57 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: My "caustic remark" From: Douwe Dear "biplane 53" Please accept my sincere apologies for sounding "caustic" when I posted that I wasn't posting pics for kudos but to encourage. It had previously been subtly suggested I was doing so. Sincerely Douwe Sent from my iPh ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:31 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My "caustic remark" From: Steven Dortch Guys, Everyone please keep posting photos. It inspires me to stay at it and bugs my wife when I make her come look at the photos. Also, it is a great source of ideas on how others have addressed various problems. OOPs, I mean opportunities. Blue Skies, Steve "I made progress last night" D. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:23 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rockler-type latches for wing baggage door hold down QXMgRGFuIEhlbHNwZXIgbWVudGlvbmVkIGhlIHVzZWQgdGhlc2UgdHlwZSBsYXRjaGVzIG9uIGhp cyBwbGFuZSwgSSB1c2VkIHRoZW0gaW4gYSBuZWFyYnkgYXJlYSB0byBob2xkIGRvd24NCnRoZSBh bHVtaW51bSBkb29yIHRoYXQgaG9sZHMgZG93biB0aGUgd2luZyBjZW50ZXIgc2VjdGlvbiBiYWdn YWdlIGNvbXBhcnRtZW50Lg0KDQpNaWtlIEMuDQpPaGlvDQoNCihzY3JvbGwgZG93biB0byBzZWUg d2luZyBjZW50ZXIgc2VjdGlvbikNCg0KDQoNCltjaWQ6aW1hZ2UwMDEuanBnQDAxRDAzQURELjNF RThFQzIwXQ0KW2NpZDppbWFnZTAwMi5wbmdAMDFEMDNBREQuM0VFOEVDMjBdDQo ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:34 AM PST US From: goffelectric@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My "caustic remark" I agree photos and videos like Garys are great motivation. Keith Goff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Dortch" Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 8:14:03 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My "caustic remark" Guys, Everyone please keep posting photos. It inspires me to stay at it and bugs my wife when I make her come look at the photos. =C2- Also, it is a great source of ideas on how others have addressed various pr oblems. OOPs, I mean opportunities. =C2- Blue Skies, Steve "I made progress last night" D. === ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:48 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My "caustic remark" From: Tony Crawford Hi, I'm new to this site. Have my approval from Matt. But I can't find where these photo's are hiding. The ones on the list are from 2008. Can you help? I will be starting construction at the end of the month. I have built a KR-2 and a MINIMAX, and I live in the most northern part of Alabama. I would like to find builders in my area.Thank You! Tony On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 8:46 AM, wrote: > I agree photos and videos like Garys are great motivation. > Keith Goff > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Steven Dortch" > *To: *pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent: *Wednesday, January 28, 2015 8:14:03 AM > *Subject: *Re: Pietenpol-List: My "caustic remark" > > Guys, Everyone please keep posting photos. It inspires me to stay at it > and bugs my wife when I make her come look at the photos. > > Also, it is a great source of ideas on how others have addressed various > problems. OOPs, I mean opportunities. > > Blue Skies, > Steve "I made progress last night" D. > > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:32 AM PST US From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: BHP Photo DQpJIGFjcXVpcmVkIHRoaXMgcGhvdG8gb2YgQmVybmFyZCBhdCBQaWV0ZW5wb2wgZmllbGQgYW5k IEkgdGhvdWdodCBJIHdvdWxkIHNoYXJlIHdpdGggdGhlIGdyb3VwLiAgRnJvbSB3aGF0IEkgdW5k ZXJzdGFuZCB0aGUgcGljdHVyZSB3YXMgdGFrZW4gdGhlIGVuZCBvZiBKdW5lIDE5NzQgZm9yIGEg bmV3c3BhcGVyIGFydGljbGUuIElmIHlvdSBzZWFyY2ggdGhlIE4tbnVtYmVyIGluIHRoZSBGQUEg ZGF0YWJhc2UgeW91IGNhbiBzZWUgdGhlIGluZm8gb24gdGhlIHBsYW5lLg0KDQpCcmlhbg0KU0xD LVVUDQo ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:50 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: BHP Photo From: "AircamperN11MS" That's very cool. I notice something in the close up pic of the engine that I have never noticed before. Maybe others have. I see that Bernard has a "Boot Cowl" about 4 inch wide on the sides of the fuse right behind the firewall. That would sure make it easy to work on the rudder pedals. I know others have put access panels on the belly for this reason. I don't have any plans laying around and handy. Does this boot cowl show on the plans? It's funny what we see/notice when looking at old photos. Thanks for the Pics, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437764#437764 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:00 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: FW: Pietenpol-List: BHP Photo Those exhaust stacks look familiar! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 7:28 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: BHP Photo I acquired this photo of Bernard at Pietenpol field and I thought I would share with the group. From what I understand the picture was taken the end of June 1974 for a newspaper article. If you search the N-number in the FAA database you can see the info on the plane. Brian SLC-UT ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:24 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My "caustic remark" From: "AircamperN11MS" Tony, The pics are burried in the different threads. I don't know how you would go find them without reading each thread. But I am not the smartest guy on the computer. If you want pics then go to www.westcoastpiet.com Chris Tracy has put together the best site I have ever seen. It is all Piets. He has preserved history like nobody ever has for any airplane type. Take a look. Many building pics of all kinds there. I do warn you that you will need to go into isolation for a week or two just to absorb a small portion of what is there. Enjoy, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437766#437766 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:41 AM PST US From: Fastnaught John Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flop hold down Dan, Thanks for the input. Any chance you could take a picture to show how and where you installed them. thanks again, Planning on flying to Brodhead, we=99ll see. Maybe we could hook up and fly together. Jack > On Jan 28, 2015, at 7:04 AM, danhelsper@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Jack, > > Congrats on your inspection (photos?). This is what I used. I chose it because I thought it looked Piet-en-polish.http://www.rockler.com/classic-oblong-catches-select-finish > > Dan Helsper > Loensloe Airfield > Puryear, TN > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fastnaught John > To: Pietenpol List > Sent: Tue, Jan 27, 2015 2:41 pm > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flop hold down > > > > Hello to all, > I=99m about to get my airworthiness inspection (Feb. 14th) and have just a few > items to fix. One that perplexes me is how to hold down the flop. Some sort of > latching mechanism is necessary. I have come up with a few ideas but none are > really very good or easy. I=99m sure some of you have already been there and have > some great ideas. If any of you do have some neat ideas would you please share > them with me. > I appreciate you help. > Thanks, > Jack > > N144JF > wire wheels > M======================== ===r?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenp===== ======================http://f orums.matr====================== ===== -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > ======================== === > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol -List > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:10 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: BHP Photo From: "AircamperN11MS" Gary, They don't look at all the same to me. Just the fact that there are 3 of them. Gary, I do however think your exhaust valve will last longer than Bernards due to them being longer than his. Hey, are you compensating for some "short" falls here? OK everyone, I'm only poking fun at Gary. He must need glasses to see the huge difference. :) -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437767#437767 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flop hold down From: danhelsper@aol.com Jack,=0A=0A=0AHere are some pics. Hope this helps.=0A=0A=0ADan Hel sper=0ALoensloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message--- --=0AFrom: Fastnaught John =0ATo: Pietenpol List =0ASent: Wed, Jan 28, 2015 10:00 am=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flop hold down=0A=0A=0ADan,=0AThanks for the input. Any chance you could take a picture to s how how and where you installed them.=0Athanks again,=0APlanning on flying to Brodhead, we=99ll see. Maybe we could hook up and fly together.=0AJack=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Jan 28, 2015, at 7:04 AM, danhelsper@aol.com wrote:=0A=0A=0AHi Jack,=0A=0A=0ACongrats on you r inspection (photos?). This is what I used. I chose it be cause I thought it looked Piet-en-polish.http://www.rockler.com/classi c-oblong-catches-select-finish=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0ALoensloe Airfield=0APur year, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Fastnaught John =0ATo: Pietenpol List =0ASent: Tue, Jan 27, 2015 2:41 pm=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: stnaught John =0A=0AHello to all,=0AI=99 m about to get my airworthiness inspection (Feb. 14th) and h ave just a few =0Aitems to fix. One that perplexes me is how to hold down the flop. Some sort of =0Alatching mechanis m is necessary. I have come up with a few ideas but none are =0Areally very good or easy. I=99m sure some of you have already been there and have =0Asome great ideas. If any of you do have some neat ideas would you please sha re =0Athem with me. =0AI appreciate you help.=0AThanks,=0AJack=0A=0A N144JF=0Awire wheels=0AM================== =========r?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Pietenp================== =========http://forums.matr============ =============== -Matt Dralle, List Admin.=0A====0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A =0Aface="courier new,courier" class="">http://www.matronics.com/Navigato r?Pietenpol-List=0Aclass="">http://forums.matronics.com=0Aclass="">http://ww =========================== =========================== =========================== ===========================0A =========================== ============0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:53 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: BHP Photo My whole life has been spent compensating for something...usually bad decisions! Building the Piet was not one of those. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AircamperN11MS Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 8:00 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: BHP Photo --> Gary, They don't look at all the same to me. Just the fact that there are 3 of them. Gary, I do however think your exhaust valve will last longer than Bernards due to them being longer than his. Hey, are you compensating for some "short" falls here? OK everyone, I'm only poking fun at Gary. He must need glasses to see the huge difference. :) -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437767#437767 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:24 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: My "caustic remark" From: Tony Crawford Scott, Thank You for the quick response. I will check them out. My shop is now complete and ready for some wood. I have built a KR-2 and a MINIMAX so i'm hoping this "PIET" will not be to difficult. Thanks again. Tony On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 9:52 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> > > Tony, > > The pics are burried in the different threads. I don't know how you would > go find them without reading each thread. But I am not the smartest guy on > the computer. If you want pics then go to www.westcoastpiet.com Chris > Tracy has put together the best site I have ever seen. It is all Piets. > He has preserved history like nobody ever has for any airplane type. Take > a look. Many building pics of all kinds there. I do warn you that you > will need to go into isolation for a week or two just to absorb a small > portion of what is there. > > Enjoy, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437766#437766 > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: BHP Photo From: "nightmare" hey Gary. I like your stacks. could u tell me how you generate carb heat? Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437795#437795 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:24 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: bent aileron horn From: Steven Dortch Ladies and Gentlemen, and Oscar, at some time when N3379 was in storage the bottom aileron horn was bent sideways. About 20 degrees. It is similar to the one in the attached photo (taken from the Matronics archives.) but does not have the 5/8" 16 GA brace. I cut off the cloth about an inch on either side. I used a set of 4inch wide nose sheet metal pliers to straighten it up. It seems to be stable and strong front to rear but it is not near as stable laterally. There do not appear to be any cracks but it was pinched flat when it was bent. I intend on taking it off, inspecting it and seeing if I can somehow get it "unpinched" and more stable. I will appreciate your opinions and expertise. -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: My "caustic remark" From: Steven Dortch Tony, et al. I find things in the Matronics archives by doing a google search that includes matronics, Pietenpol, archvies and what I am looking for. Then once I get a hit, I go to that page and hit "control F" and use the word find function to look for what I want. Also be ready to use different words. Be forewarned, You will be pulled off of your search by interesting Piet things as you go through the archives. I always am. Even a blind pig finds an acorn every once in a while!, Steve D On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 7:53 PM, Tony Crawford wrote: > Scott, > Thank You for the quick response. I will check them out. My shop is now > complete and ready for some wood. I have built a KR-2 and a MINIMAX so i'm > hoping this "PIET" will not be to difficult. Thanks again. > > Tony > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 9:52 AM, AircamperN11MS > wrote: > >> Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> >> >> Tony, >> >> The pics are burried in the different threads. I don't know how you >> would go find them without reading each thread. But I am not the smartest >> guy on the computer. If you want pics then go to www.westcoastpiet.com >> Chris Tracy has put together the best site I have ever seen. It is all >> Piets. He has preserved history like nobody ever has for any airplane >> type. Take a look. Many building pics of all kinds there. I do warn you >> that you will need to go into isolation for a week or two just to absorb a >> small portion of what is there. >> >> Enjoy, >> >> -------- >> Scott Liefeld >> Flying N11MS since March 1972 >> Steel Tube >> C-85-12 >> Wire Wheels >> Brodhead in 1996 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437766#437766 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> br> enpol-List" target="_blank"> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> FORUMS - >> _blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > * > > > * > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:18 PM PST US From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: bent aileron horn VGhpcyBoYXMgaGFwcGVuZWQgdG8gYWxsIGZvdXIgb2YgdGhlIGhvcm5zIG9mIG15IHRhaWwgZmxp cHBlcnMgKGFzIFdlc3R5IEZhcm1lciBjYWxsZWQgdGhlbSwgaWYgbWVtb3J5IHNlcnZlcykgYXQg dmFyaW91cyB0aW1lcy4gSSBuZXZlciBmb3VuZCBhIHNhdGlzZmFjdG9yeSBzb2x1dGlvbiBiZXlv bmQgd2VsZGluZyBvbiBzdGlmZmVuaW5nIHBpZWNlcyBvZiBmbGF0IHBsYXRlIHN0ZWVsLiBJbmVs ZWdhbnQsIGJ1dCBzdGlsbCBnb2luZyBzdHJvbmcgc2V2ZXJhbCB5ZWFycyBsYXRlci4NCg0KSFRI LA0KDQpKZWZmDQotLQ0KSmVmZnJleSBILiBCb2F0cmlnaHQsIFBoRCwgRkFSVk8NClByb2Zlc3Nv ciBvZiBPcGh0aGFsbW9sb2d5DQpFbW9yeSBVbml2ZXJzaXR5IFNjaG9vbCBvZiBNZWRpY2luZQ0K DQpGcm9tOiBTdGV2ZW4gRG9ydGNoIDxzdGV2ZW4uZC5kb3J0Y2hAZ21haWwuY29tPG1haWx0bzpz dGV2ZW4uZC5kb3J0Y2hAZ21haWwuY29tPj4NClJlcGx5LVRvOiAicGlldGVucG9sLWxpc3RAbWF0 cm9uaWNzLmNvbTxtYWlsdG86cGlldGVucG9sLWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbT4iIDxwaWV0ZW5w b2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tPG1haWx0bzpwaWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29t Pj4NCkRhdGU6IFdlZG5lc2RheSwgSmFudWFyeSAyOCwgMjAxNSBhdCAxMDoxOCBQTQ0KVG86ICJw aWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tPG1haWx0bzpwaWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25p Y3MuY29tPiIgPHBpZXRlbnBvbC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb208bWFpbHRvOnBpZXRlbnBvbC1s aXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20+Pg0KU3ViamVjdDogUGlldGVucG9sLUxpc3Q6IGJlbnQgYWlsZXJv biBob3JuDQoNCkxhZGllcyBhbmQgR2VudGxlbWVuLCBhbmQgT3NjYXIsIGF0IHNvbWUgdGltZSB3 aGVuIE4zMzc5IHdhcyBpbiBzdG9yYWdlIHRoZSBib3R0b20gIGFpbGVyb24gaG9ybiB3YXMgYmVu dCBzaWRld2F5cy4gQWJvdXQgMjAgZGVncmVlcy4NCg0KSXQgaXMgc2ltaWxhciB0byB0aGUgb25l IGluIHRoZSBhdHRhY2hlZCBwaG90byAodGFrZW4gZnJvbSB0aGUgTWF0cm9uaWNzIGFyY2hpdmVz LikgYnV0IGRvZXMgIG5vdCBoYXZlIHRoZSA1LzgiIDE2IEdBIGJyYWNlLg0KDQpJIGN1dCBvZmYg dGhlIGNsb3RoIGFib3V0IGFuIGluY2ggb24gZWl0aGVyIHNpZGUuIEkgdXNlZCBhIHNldCBvZiA0 aW5jaCAgd2lkZSBub3NlIHNoZWV0IG1ldGFsIHBsaWVycyB0byBzdHJhaWdodGVuIGl0IHVwLiBJ dCBzZWVtcyB0byBiZSBzdGFibGUgYW5kIHN0cm9uZyBmcm9udCB0byByZWFyIGJ1dCBpdCBpcyBu b3QgbmVhciBhcyBzdGFibGUgbGF0ZXJhbGx5LiBUaGVyZSBkbyBub3QgYXBwZWFyIHRvIGJlIGFu eSBjcmFja3MgYnV0IGl0IHdhcyBwaW5jaGVkIGZsYXQgd2hlbiBpdCB3YXMgYmVudC4NCg0KSSBp bnRlbmQgb24gdGFraW5nIGl0IG9mZiwgaW5zcGVjdGluZyBpdCAgYW5kIHNlZWluZyBpZiBJIGNh biBzb21laG93IGdldCBpdCAidW5waW5jaGVkIiBhbmQgbW9yZSBzdGFibGUuDQoNCkkgd2lsbCBh cHByZWNpYXRlIHlvdXIgb3BpbmlvbnMgYW5kIGV4cGVydGlzZS4NCg0KLS0NCkJsdWUgU2tpZXMs DQpTdGV2ZSBEDQoNCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fDQoNClRoaXMgZS1t YWlsIG1lc3NhZ2UgKGluY2x1ZGluZyBhbnkgYXR0YWNobWVudHMpIGlzIGZvciB0aGUgc29sZSB1 c2Ugb2YNCnRoZSBpbnRlbmRlZCByZWNpcGllbnQocykgYW5kIG1heSBjb250YWluIGNvbmZpZGVu dGlhbCBhbmQgcHJpdmlsZWdlZA0KaW5mb3JtYXRpb24uIElmIHRoZSByZWFkZXIgb2YgdGhpcyBt ZXNzYWdlIGlzIG5vdCB0aGUgaW50ZW5kZWQNCnJlY2lwaWVudCwgeW91IGFyZSBoZXJlYnkgbm90 aWZpZWQgdGhhdCBhbnkgZGlzc2VtaW5hdGlvbiwgZGlzdHJpYnV0aW9uDQpvciBjb3B5aW5nIG9m IHRoaXMgbWVzc2FnZSAoaW5jbHVkaW5nIGFueSBhdHRhY2htZW50cykgaXMgc3RyaWN0bHkNCnBy b2hpYml0ZWQuDQoNCklmIHlvdSBoYXZlIHJlY2VpdmVkIHRoaXMgbWVzc2FnZSBpbiBlcnJvciwg cGxlYXNlIGNvbnRhY3QNCnRoZSBzZW5kZXIgYnkgcmVwbHkgZS1tYWlsIG1lc3NhZ2UgYW5kIGRl c3Ryb3kgYWxsIGNvcGllcyBvZiB0aGUNCm9yaWdpbmFsIG1lc3NhZ2UgKGluY2x1ZGluZyBhdHRh Y2htZW50cykuDQo ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:46 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: bent aileron horn Steve, I had a bent horn on the rudder. I removed it, welded another piece alongside (about =C2=BE as long), and bolted it back in; patched up the fabric and paint and no one knows but me! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Dortch Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 7:18 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: bent aileron horn Ladies and Gentlemen, and Oscar, at some time when N3379 was in storage the bottom aileron horn was bent sideways. About 20 degrees. It is similar to the one in the attached photo (taken from the Matronics archives.) but does not have the 5/8" 16 GA brace. I cut off the cloth about an inch on either side. I used a set of 4inch wide nose sheet metal pliers to straighten it up. It seems to be stable and strong front to rear but it is not near as stable laterally. There do not appear to be any cracks but it was pinched flat when it was bent. I intend on taking it off, inspecting it and seeing if I can somehow get it "unpinched" and more stable. I will appreciate your opinions and expertise. -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:38 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My "caustic remark" From: "biplan53" Douwe let me explain myself, I might put too much emphasis on compliments. When I give a compliment it comes from the heart. Too many people brag on things often want something in return. The only thing I wanted was to tell you how good your plane looks. I have many questions about building this plane and every picture helps answers some of them. I wish there were more pictures of tubing fuselages on here. Sorry for all the ruckus I stirred up, I felt it was something I had to get out. -------- Building steel fuselage aircamper. 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