---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/29/15: 30 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:46 AM - Re: bent aileron horn (womenfly2) 2. 05:21 AM - Re: Re: bent aileron horn (Steven Dortch) 3. 05:41 AM - Re: Re: bent aileron horn (Jack Philips) 4. 06:19 AM - Re: Re: bent aileron horn (Barry Davis) 5. 07:05 AM - Re: Re: bent aileron horn (Gary Boothe) 6. 08:42 AM - Re: bent aileron horn (Ray Krause) 7. 12:52 PM - Tonyp51qa (AircamperN11MS) 8. 01:40 PM - Flight plan symbol (Jack) 9. 01:49 PM - Re: Flight plan symbol (Boatright, Jeffrey) 10. 02:11 PM - Re: Flight plan symbol (AircamperN11MS) 11. 02:22 PM - Re: Flight plan symbol (tools) 12. 02:25 PM - Re: Flight plan symbol (AircamperN11MS) 13. 02:39 PM - flop latch (Douwe Blumberg) 14. 03:18 PM - Re: Re: Flight plan symbol (Jack) 15. 03:26 PM - New Pietenpol owner (John Letkeman) 16. 03:46 PM - New Pietenpol Aircamper owner (pilotjkl) 17. 03:50 PM - Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner (pilotjkl) 18. 03:57 PM - Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner (Gary Boothe) 19. 05:25 PM - Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner (pilotjkl) 20. 05:55 PM - Re: New Pietenpol owner (Jerry Dotson) 21. 06:25 PM - Re: Flight plan symbol (CatDesigns) 22. 07:08 PM - Re: New Pietenpol owner (Ray Krause) 23. 07:10 PM - Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner (Ray Krause) 24. 07:23 PM - Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner (pilotjkl) 25. 07:31 PM - Re: New Pietenpol owner (Steven Dortch) 26. 07:42 PM - Re: New Pietenpol owner (John Letkeman) 27. 07:54 PM - Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner (tkreiner) 28. 08:41 PM - Re: Flight plan symbol (Fastnaught John) 29. 08:55 PM - Re: Flight plan symbol (Gary Boothe) 30. 10:09 PM - Re: Flight plan symbol (CatDesigns) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: bent aileron horn From: "womenfly2" I never had a bent control horn. They were all made as per drawing with an airfoil shape form .025 thick sheet. Most of these pictured look like flat stock, could be the reason they are bending? WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437805#437805 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:31 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: bent aileron horn From: Steven Dortch Not sure about the others, But mine is the flat airfoil shape and the hollow airfoil was pinched flat when it was bent. Blue Skies, Steve D On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 6:45 AM, womenfly2 wrote: > > I never had a bent control horn. They were all made as per drawing with an > airfoil shape form .025 thick sheet. Most of these pictured look like flat > stock, could be the reason they are bending? > > WF2 > > -------- > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437805#437805 > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:31 AM PST US From: "Jack Philips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: bent aileron horn Steve, Why not just make a new one? Those horns are actually pretty easy to make and are fun to do. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Dortch Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 8:21 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: bent aileron horn Not sure about the others, But mine is the flat airfoil shape and the hollow airfoil was pinched flat when it was bent. Blue Skies, Steve D On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 6:45 AM, womenfly2 > wrote: > I never had a bent control horn. They were all made as per drawing with an airfoil shape form .025 thick sheet. Most of these pictured look like flat stock, could be the reason they are bending? WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437805#437805 br> enpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List FORUMS - _blank">http://forums.matronics.com b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:55 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: bent aileron horn Steve Jack P took the words right out of my mouth. Go ahead and build a new one. That will be one less think to think about when you are flying on a clear summer day in really bumpy air. Barry NX973BP From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Philips Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 8:40 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: bent aileron horn Steve, Why not just make a new one? Those horns are actually pretty easy to make and are fun to do. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Dortch Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 8:21 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: bent aileron horn Not sure about the others, But mine is the flat airfoil shape and the hollow airfoil was pinched flat when it was bent. Blue Skies, Steve D On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 6:45 AM, womenfly2 wrote: I never had a bent control horn. They were all made as per drawing with an airfoil shape form .025 thick sheet. Most of these pictured look like flat stock, could be the reason they are bending? WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437805#437805 br> enpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List FORUMS - _blank">http://forums.matronics.com b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Blue Skies, Steve D http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:18 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: bent aileron horn Most of these pictured look like flat stock, could be the reason they are bending? Mine was built per plans. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of womenfly2 Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 4:46 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: bent aileron horn --> I never had a bent control horn. They were all made as per drawing with an airfoil shape form .025 thick sheet. Most of these pictured look like flat stock, could be the reason they are bending? WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437805#437805 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:36 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: bent aileron horn The phantom knows! Sent from my iPad > On Jan 28, 2015, at 8:45 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > Steve, > > I had a bent horn on the rudder. I removed it, welded another piece alongs ide (about =C2=BE as long), and bolted it back in; patched up the fabric and paint and no one knows but me! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Dortch > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 7:18 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: bent aileron horn > > Ladies and Gentlemen, and Oscar, at some time when N3379 was in storage th e bottom aileron horn was bent sideways. About 20 degrees. > > It is similar to the one in the attached photo (taken from the Matronics a rchives.) but does not have the 5/8" 16 GA brace. > > I cut off the cloth about an inch on either side. I used a set of 4inch w ide nose sheet metal pliers to straighten it up. It seems to be stable and s trong front to rear but it is not near as stable laterally. There do not app ear to be any cracks but it was pinched flat when it was bent. > > I intend on taking it off, inspecting it and seeing if I can somehow get i t "unpinched" and more stable. > > I will appreciate your opinions and expertise. > > -- > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:52:16 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tonyp51qa From: "AircamperN11MS" Tony, You have mention that you have built a KR2 and a Minimax. I think the Piet will fit right in with your skills. When I was about 11 years old, Dad and I started building me a KR1. I never completed it. Dad sold it and someone else finished it. Dad went on and built a KR2 and flew it for 20 years before he busted it up while landing. He now has a Tri-gear KR2 with a climb prop and no wheel pants. He flies it as a light sport. He loves it. I confess that I Googled you name and KR2 and find a guy with your name involved with speed runs in Tennessee. Is that You? The KR circle is small much like the Piet circle. Hopefully you can share some more info about yourself and maybe pics of the two previous planes you built. To me, it is not only the story of the building process, but the story behind the person as well. Like Dowue. He is just one example of someone with a great life story. There are many others on this list with their own personal history that just amazes me. From all walks of life. Welcome aboard Tony. Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437828#437828 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:40:36 PM PST US From: Jack Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol Gentlemen, If and when you were to file a flight plan (LOL), what would you use for the type aircraft? Thanks, Jack Sent from my iPad ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:49:24 PM PST US From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol VHlwZSBvZiBhaXJjcmFmdD8gSm9obm55IFF1ZXN0IEpldCBGaWdodGVyLCBvZiBjb3Vyc2UuDQoN Ci0tDQpKZWZmcmV5IEguIEJvYXRyaWdodCwgUGhELCBGQVJWTw0KUHJvZmVzc29yIG9mIE9waHRo YWxtb2xvZ3kNCkVtb3J5IFVuaXZlcnNpdHkgU2Nob29sIG9mIE1lZGljaW5lDQoNCkZyb206IEph Y2sgPGZhc3RuYXVnaHRAd2luZHN0cmVhbS5uZXQ8bWFpbHRvOmZhc3RuYXVnaHRAd2luZHN0cmVh bS5uZXQ+Pg0KUmVwbHktVG86ICJwaWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tPG1haWx0bzpw aWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tPiIgPHBpZXRlbnBvbC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5j b208bWFpbHRvOnBpZXRlbnBvbC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20+Pg0KRGF0ZTogVGh1cnNkYXks IEphbnVhcnkgMjksIDIwMTUgYXQgNDo0MCBQTQ0KVG86IFBpZXRlbnBvbCBMaXN0IDxwaWV0ZW5w b2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tPG1haWx0bzpwaWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29t Pj4NClN1YmplY3Q6IFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0OiBGbGlnaHQgcGxhbiBzeW1ib2wNCg0KLS0+IFBp ZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0IG1lc3NhZ2UgcG9zdGVkIGJ5OiBKYWNrIDxmYXN0bmF1Z2h0QHdpbmRzdHJl YW0ubmV0PG1haWx0bzpmYXN0bmF1Z2h0QHdpbmRzdHJlYW0ubmV0Pj4NCg0KR2VudGxlbWVuLA0K SWYgYW5kIHdoZW4geW91IHdlcmUgdG8gZmlsZSBhIGZsaWdodCBwbGFuIChMT0wpLCB3aGF0IHdv dWxkIHlvdSB1c2UgZm9yIHRoZSB0eXBlIGFpcmNyYWZ0Pw0KVGhhbmtzLA0KSmFjaw0KDQpTZW50 IGZyb20gbXkgaVBhZA0KDQpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQ0KXy09ICAgICAgICAgIC0gVGhlIFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0 IEVtYWlsIEZvcnVtIC0NCl8tPSBVc2UgdGhlIE1hdHJvbmljcyBMaXN0IEZlYXR1cmVzIE5hdmln YXRvciB0byBicm93c2UNCl8tPSB0aGUgbWFueSBMaXN0IHV0aWxpdGllcyBzdWNoIGFzIExpc3Qg VW4vU3Vic2NyaXB0aW9uLA0KXy09IEFyY2hpdmUgU2VhcmNoICYgRG93bmxvYWQsIDctRGF5IEJy b3dzZSwgQ2hhdCwgRkFRLA0KXy09IFBob3Rvc2hhcmUsIGFuZCBtdWNoIG11Y2ggbW9yZToNCl8t PQ0KXy09ICAgLS0+IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS9OYXZpZ2F0b3I/UGlldGVucG9s LUxpc3QNCl8tPQ0KXy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0NCl8tPSAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIC0gTUFUUk9OSUNTIFdFQiBGT1JV TVMgLQ0KXy09IFNhbWUgZ3JlYXQgY29udGVudCBhbHNvIGF2YWlsYWJsZSB2aWEgdGhlIFdlYiBG b3J1bXMhDQpfLT0NCl8tPSAgIC0tPiBodHRwOi8vZm9ydW1zLm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20NCl8tPQ0K Xy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT0NCl8tPSAgICAgICAgICAgICAtIExpc3QgQ29udHJpYnV0aW9uIFdlYiBTaXRlIC0NCl8t PSAgVGhhbmsgeW91IGZvciB5b3VyIGdlbmVyb3VzIHN1cHBvcnQhDQpfLT0gICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAtTWF0dCBEcmFsbGUsIExpc3QgQWRtaW4uDQpfLT0gICAtLT4gaHR0 cDovL3d3dy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL2NvbnRyaWJ1dGlvbg0KXy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0NCg0KDQoNCg0KDQpfX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXw0KDQpUaGlzIGUtbWFpbCBtZXNzYWdlIChpbmNs dWRpbmcgYW55IGF0dGFjaG1lbnRzKSBpcyBmb3IgdGhlIHNvbGUgdXNlIG9mDQp0aGUgaW50ZW5k ZWQgcmVjaXBpZW50KHMpIGFuZCBtYXkgY29udGFpbiBjb25maWRlbnRpYWwgYW5kIHByaXZpbGVn ZWQNCmluZm9ybWF0aW9uLiBJZiB0aGUgcmVhZGVyIG9mIHRoaXMgbWVzc2FnZSBpcyBub3QgdGhl IGludGVuZGVkDQpyZWNpcGllbnQsIHlvdSBhcmUgaGVyZWJ5IG5vdGlmaWVkIHRoYXQgYW55IGRp c3NlbWluYXRpb24sIGRpc3RyaWJ1dGlvbg0Kb3IgY29weWluZyBvZiB0aGlzIG1lc3NhZ2UgKGlu Y2x1ZGluZyBhbnkgYXR0YWNobWVudHMpIGlzIHN0cmljdGx5DQpwcm9oaWJpdGVkLg0KDQpJZiB5 b3UgaGF2ZSByZWNlaXZlZCB0aGlzIG1lc3NhZ2UgaW4gZXJyb3IsIHBsZWFzZSBjb250YWN0DQp0 aGUgc2VuZGVyIGJ5IHJlcGx5IGUtbWFpbCBtZXNzYWdlIGFuZCBkZXN0cm95IGFsbCBjb3BpZXMg b2YgdGhlDQpvcmlnaW5hbCBtZXNzYWdlIChpbmNsdWRpbmcgYXR0YWNobWVudHMpLg0K ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:35 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flight plan symbol From: "AircamperN11MS" What's our choices? I haven't filed a flight plan in 22 years. I think I have forgotten how to. :) -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437831#437831 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:22:12 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flight plan symbol From: "tools" I haven't filed one in over fifteen! And I've NEVER filed one as a civilian... Pretty sure dispatch would know what to do! Geesh. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437833#437833 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:25:57 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flight plan symbol From: "AircamperN11MS" What would the Great Waldo Pepper do? I'll bet Bernard never filed. All kidding aside, Can't you just say "experimental" and state you speed?????? -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437834#437834 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:39:13 PM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: flop latch I did used the same approach as has been mentioned with the flat spring and rod. I found that the one half of the flat spring from an inspection cover worked well. The rest I did just the same and have seen it used many times successfully. As has been mentioned, even without a latch, the flop interestingly only rises a couple of inches in flight. I'm not suggesting it shouldn't be latched down, just noting that it doesn't need to be crazy strong. What DOES happen is you WILL forget to close it when you start the engine and it will be blown down HARD. Be sure to incorporate some sort of buffer or it'll start loosening your hinge after a few of those incidents. Don't ask me how I know!! Douwe ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:04 PM PST US From: Jack Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flight plan symbol Probably could just say experimental on the frequency, but what about filing electronically, hmmm. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 29, 2015, at 5:25 PM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > > > What would the Great Waldo Pepper do? > > I'll bet Bernard never filed. > > All kidding aside, Can't you just say "experimental" and state you speed?????? > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437834#437834 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:26 PM PST US From: John Letkeman Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Pietenpol owner Hi All! My name is John Letkeman, I'm the proud new owner of a Pietenpol Aircamper project, The builder Jack Frees, passed away before he could finish it and it was then donated to EAA in Oklahoma, and that is whom I purchased it from and trailered it home to west Texas, maybe someone on this forum knew the builder? I plan on installing an A65 Continental and moving the rudder pedals forward 2" as I'm 6'4", I will try to post some pictures. John Sent from my iPad ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:31 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner From: "pilotjkl" Project picture Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437838#437838 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_270.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_203.jpg ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:12 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner From: "pilotjkl" Hi All! My name is John Letkeman, I'm the proud new owner of a Pietenpol Aircamper project, The builder Jack Frees, passed away before he could finish it and it was then donated to EAA in Oklahoma, and that is whom I purchased it from and trailered it home to west Texas, maybe someone on this forum knew the builder? I plan on installing an A65 Continental and moving the rudder pedals forward 2" as I'm 6'4", I will try to post some pictures. John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437839#437839 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:57:38 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner Nice project, John! Nearly ready to go... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotjkl Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 3:46 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner --> Project picture Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437838#437838 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_270.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_203.jpg ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:41 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner From: "pilotjkl" Yes it is, it's set up for an 0-235 so I will need to move the wing back to compensate for the lighter A65 engine, John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437842#437842 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:21 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol owner From: "Jerry Dotson" Welcome to the forum. Jim Markle or Mark Chouinard both live in OK. They might shed some light on the owner. -------- Jerry Dotson First flight June 16,2012 Flying in phase 2 Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437843#437843 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:46 PM PST US From: "CatDesigns" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol I'll take a stab at it. According to the FAA's Airman's information manual (AIM) your probably trying to fill out box 3 on the flight plan. See http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/AIM/aim0501.html#aim0501. html.8 Box 3 is to contain "the designator for the aircraft, or if unknown consult the FSS briefer". A little more sleuthing found this publication of Aircraft Type Designators, https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/Basic%20Order%20Cove r.pdf This is the page for P-manufactures and low and behold there is a Pietenpol (look way down the list)but it has the wrong name of the airplane, an Aerial. https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-2-p.htm The designator for this airplane is PARL. I'd bet this will work. If however you want to be more precise use this as a guide https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-3.htm The designator for a Pietenpol would be a HXA Chris Sacramento, CA WestcoastPiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 1:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol Gentlemen, If and when you were to file a flight plan (LOL), what would you use for the type aircraft? Thanks, Jack Sent from my iPad ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:22 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Pietenpol owner John, Welcome to our forum. Sounds like you have a great project. How far along is the project? I'm anxious to see some pictures. We're really a bunch of nice guys, fear not! Thanks for joining us, we will learn a lot, Ray Krause Building a Sky Scout Sent from my iPad > On Jan 29, 2015, at 3:26 PM, John Letkeman wrote: > > > Hi All! My name is John Letkeman, I'm the proud new owner of a Pietenpol Aircamper project, > The builder Jack Frees, passed away before he could finish it and it was then donated to EAA in Oklahoma, and that is whom I purchased it from and trailered it home to west Texas, maybe someone on this forum knew the builder? I plan on installing an A65 Continental and moving the rudder pedals forward 2" as I'm 6'4", I will try to post some pictures. > John > > Sent from my iPad > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:34 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner Looks like the A-65 hanging from the rafters. But I think you would have a better ride and look way cooler with that radial out front! Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Jan 29, 2015, at 3:46 PM, pilotjkl wrote: > > > Project picture > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437838#437838 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_270.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_203.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:59 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner From: "pilotjkl" Yep that's the A65 I plan to use, That Ptatt&Whittney 985 would take care of any tail heavy issues! Not sure what my DAR will have too say about it being so far along and me wanting to be the builder. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437849#437849 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:48 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Pietenpol owner From: Steven Dortch John, West Texas is a BIG place. I was born in Spearman Near the Oklahoma panhandle and lived in El Paso, which is closer to Arizona than to Oklahoma. Where are you in that vast expanse? Note the town of West, Texas is in Central Texas! Blue Skies, Steve D San Antonio. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Ray Krause wrote: > raykrause@frontiernet.net> > > John, > > Welcome to our forum. Sounds like you have a great project. How far along > is the project? I'm anxious to see some pictures. > > We're really a bunch of nice guys, fear not! > > Thanks for joining us, we will learn a lot, > > Ray Krause > Building a Sky Scout > Sent from my iPad > > > On Jan 29, 2015, at 3:26 PM, John Letkeman wrote: > > > > > > Hi All! My name is John Letkeman, I'm the proud new owner of a Pietenpol > Aircamper project, > > The builder Jack Frees, passed away before he could finish it and it > was then donated to EAA in Oklahoma, and that is whom I purchased it from > and trailered it home to west Texas, maybe someone on this forum knew the > builder? I plan on installing an A65 Continental and moving the rudder > pedals forward 2" as I'm 6'4", I will try to post some pictures. > > John > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:20 PM PST US From: John Letkeman Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Pietenpol owner I'm in Seminole, 70 miles north of Midland in oil country Sent from my iPad On Jan 29, 2015, at 9:36 PM, Steven Dortch > wrote: John, West Texas is a BIG place. I was born in Spearman Near the Oklahoma p anhandle and lived in El Paso, which is closer to Arizona than to Oklahoma. Where are you in that vast expanse? Note the town of West, Texas is in Central Texas! Blue Skies, Steve D San Antonio. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Ray Krause > wrote: > John, Welcome to our forum. Sounds like you have a great project. How far along i s the project? I'm anxious to see some pictures. We're really a bunch of nice guys, fear not! Thanks for joining us, we will learn a lot, Ray Krause Building a Sky Scout Sent from my iPad > On Jan 29, 2015, at 3:26 PM, John Letkeman > wrote: > to:pilot@fehrs.com>> > > Hi All! My name is John Letkeman, I'm the proud new owner of a Pietenpol Aircamper project, > The builder Jack Frees, passed away before he could finish it and it was then donated to EAA in Oklahoma, and that is whom I purchased it from and trailered it home to west Texas, maybe someone on this forum knew the build er? I plan on installing an A65 Continental and moving the rudder pedals fo rward 2" as I'm 6'4", I will try to post some pictures. > John > > Sent from my iPad > > br> enpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pieten pol-List FORUMS - _blank">http://forums.matronics.com b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:47 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner From: "tkreiner" With the temps in W Texas - I've spend several summers out there - you might reconsider and find an O-235 to hang on your airframe. At the density altitudes you'll encounter, a 65 Hp engine might produce 40 Hp on a hot summers day. The O-235 would probably give you around 80 Hp, a HUGE improvement over the A-65... Just my $0.02 -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437852#437852 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:06 PM PST US From: Fastnaught John Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol Chris, I knew there would be someone out there that would take the challenge and run with it. And run you did. Thanks for the extensive homework. I guess I=99ll be filing with HXA due to your research. I appreciate what you did. Thanks, jack > On Jan 29, 2015, at 9:25 PM, CatDesigns wrote: > > > I'll take a stab at it. > > According to the FAA's Airman's information manual (AIM) your probably > trying to fill out box 3 on the flight plan. See > http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/AIM/aim0501.html#aim050 1. > html.8 > > > Box 3 is to contain "the designator for the aircraft, or if unknown consult > the FSS briefer". > > A little more sleuthing found this publication of Aircraft Type Designators, > > > https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/Basic%20Order%20Co ve > r.pdf > > > This is the page for P-manufactures and low and behold there is a Pietenpol > (look way down the list)but it has the wrong name of the airplane, an > Aerial. > > https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-2-p.htm > > The designator for this airplane is PARL. I'd bet this will work. > > If however you want to be more precise use this as a guide > > https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-3.htm > > The designator for a Pietenpol would be a HXA > > > Chris > Sacramento, CA > WestcoastPiet.com > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 1:40 PM > To: Pietenpol List > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol > > > Gentlemen, > If and when you were to file a flight plan (LOL), what would you use for the > type aircraft? > Thanks, > Jack > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:18 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol Beautiful plane! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fastnaught John Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 8:40 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol Chris, I knew there would be someone out there that would take the challenge and run with it. And run you did. Thanks for the extensive homework. I guess I=99ll be filing with HXA due to your research. I appreciate what you did. Thanks, jack On Jan 29, 2015, at 9:25 PM, CatDesigns wrote: I'll take a stab at it. According to the FAA's Airman's information manual (AIM) your probably trying to fill out box 3 on the flight plan. See http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/AIM/aim0501.html#aim05 01. html.8 Box 3 is to contain "the designator for the aircraft, or if unknown consult the FSS briefer". A little more sleuthing found this publication of Aircraft Type Designators, https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/Basic%20Order%20C ove r.pdf This is the page for P-manufactures and low and behold there is a Pietenpol (look way down the list)but it has the wrong name of the airplane, an Aerial. https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-2-p.htm The designator for this airplane is PARL. I'd bet this will work. If however you want to be more precise use this as a guide https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-3.htm The designator for a Pietenpol would be a HXA Chris Sacramento, CA WestcoastPiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 1:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol Gentlemen, If and when you were to file a flight plan (LOL), what would you use for the type aircraft? Thanks, Jack Sent from my iPad ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:08 PM PST US From: "CatDesigns" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol Nice airplane Jack. Did you build it? You should send me a bunch of pictures to put on my website. Glad I could help Chris Sacramento, CA WestcoastPiet.com From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fastnaught John Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 8:40 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol Chris, I knew there would be someone out there that would take the challenge and run with it. And run you did. Thanks for the extensive homework. I guess I=99ll be filing with HXA due to your research. I appreciate what you did. Thanks, jack On Jan 29, 2015, at 9:25 PM, CatDesigns > wrote: > I'll take a stab at it. According to the FAA's Airman's information manual (AIM) your probably trying to fill out box 3 on the flight plan. See http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/AIM/aim0501.html#aim05 01. html.8 Box 3 is to contain "the designator for the aircraft, or if unknown consult the FSS briefer". A little more sleuthing found this publication of Aircraft Type Designators, https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/Basic%20Order%20C ove r.pdf This is the page for P-manufactures and low and behold there is a Pietenpol (look way down the list)but it has the wrong name of the airplane, an Aerial. https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-2-p.htm The designator for this airplane is PARL. I'd bet this will work. If however you want to be more precise use this as a guide https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-3.htm The designator for a Pietenpol would be a HXA Chris Sacramento, CA WestcoastPiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 1:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol > Gentlemen, If and when you were to file a flight plan (LOL), what would you use for the type aircraft? Thanks, Jack Sent from my iPad ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.