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1. 03:29 AM - Re: Flight plan symbol (danhelsper@aol.com)
2. 04:23 AM - Refurbished Oil Tank For Sale (Michael Perez)
3. 04:34 AM - Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner (taildrags)
4. 05:19 AM - Re: New Pietenpol owner (Steven Dortch)
5. 05:41 AM - Re: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner (Michael Perez)
6. 06:51 AM - Re: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner (John Letkeman)
7. 07:16 AM - Re: Flight plan symbol (Ray Krause)
8. 07:39 AM - Re: Flight plan symbol (Jack Philips)
9. 07:44 AM - Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner (Jack Philips)
10. 07:51 AM - Re: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner (Steven Dortch)
11. 08:09 AM - Re: Flight plan symbol (Jack Philips)
12. 08:51 AM - Re: Flight plan symbol (Jack)
13. 08:55 AM - Re: Flight plan symbol (Jack)
14. 10:01 AM - throttle quadrant ideas (nightmare)
15. 10:03 AM - Re: Flight plan symbol (Jack)
16. 12:50 PM - Re: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner (John Letkeman)
17. 01:10 PM - Re: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner (Boatright, Jeffrey)
18. 01:29 PM - Re: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner (Gary Boothe)
19. 01:40 PM - Throttle Quadrant Ideas (Gary Boothe)
20. 01:44 PM - Re: Throttle Quadrant Ideas (Charles Burkholder)
21. 01:46 PM - Re: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner (Boatright, Jeffrey)
22. 01:51 PM - Re: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner (John Letkeman)
23. 01:54 PM - Re: Throttle Quadrant Ideas (Gary Boothe)
24. 02:04 PM - handling, climbing-- Piet, Champ, Cub (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
25. 05:54 PM - Re: throttle quadrant ideas (nightmare)
26. 06:27 PM - trim system for both cockpits (nightmare)
27. 09:22 PM - Fw: B: OT: Lindbergh's Flight--A MUST for airplane lovers! (Steven Dortch)
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| Subject: | Re: Flight plan symbol |
Wow Jack! Beautiful airplane. You been hold'n back on us!=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Refurbished Oil Tank For Sale |
Attached are pictures of the long neck Oil tank that I have refurbished myself.
I finished it in a grey primer to keep surface rust off of it. Filler cap needs
new gasket. Inside cleaned as well. I have more pictures/details, so if interested,
please email me direct.
I like to give my fellow Pietenpolers first crack at the items I sell, then its
on to Ebay and the like.
$200.00 + shipping.
Build complete 8/2014
Mike Perez
"If God is your co-pilot...switch seats!"
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| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
John; there's nothing wrong with you being the builder... the FARs just say that
the airplane has be be amateur-built but it doesn't say you have to be the only
builder. My Piet and most others have been through several hands before being
completed by the second, third, or more builders. What you're probably saying
is that you probably will not qualify to get the repairman's certificate
for it. That would permit you to do your own condition inspections on it, and
for that you have to convince your DAR that you've done enough of the work on
it that you're so familiar with it that you can inspect it. With the wings
and fuselage covered and painted, I don't think you have much hope of getting
that cert.
You do have a nearby neighbor (nearby, if measured by Texas standards)- Raymond
Hanover is up in Skellytown and is in test flights with his Corvair-powered GN-1.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol owner |
Seminole! SMACK Dab in the middle of West Texas (not the town).
I lived at Biggen Hill airport between Shallowater and Littlefield. My wife
has family in Lubbock and Hobbs.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:41 PM, John Letkeman <pilot@fehrs.com> wrote:
> I'm in Seminole, 70 miles north of Midland in oil country
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 29, 2015, at 9:36 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> John, West Texas is a BIG place. I was born in Spearman Near the
> Oklahoma panhandle and lived in El Paso, which is closer to Arizona than to
> Oklahoma.
>
> Where are you in that vast expanse?
>
> Note the town of West, Texas is in Central Texas!
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
> San Antonio.
>
> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
> wrote:
>
>> raykrause@frontiernet.net>
>>
>> John,
>>
>> Welcome to our forum. Sounds like you have a great project. How far along
>> is the project? I'm anxious to see some pictures.
>>
>> We're really a bunch of nice guys, fear not!
>>
>> Thanks for joining us, we will learn a lot,
>>
>> Ray Krause
>> Building a Sky Scout
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> > On Jan 29, 2015, at 3:26 PM, John Letkeman <pilot@fehrs.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi All! My name is John Letkeman, I'm the proud new owner of a
>> Pietenpol Aircamper project,
>> > The builder Jack Frees, passed away before he could finish it and it
>> was then donated to EAA in Oklahoma, and that is whom I purchased it from
>> and trailered it home to west Texas, maybe someone on this forum knew the
>> builder? I plan on installing an A65 Continental and moving the rudder
>> pedals forward 2" as I'm 6'4", I will try to post some pictures.
>> > John
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPad
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
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> ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
> ics.com <http://ics.com>
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
Hello John and welcome. I just finished my plane this past summer and at this time,
am not sure when I might get it to a hangar and start some ground work. You
may want to visit this list often as it is quite dynamic and changes quickly.
Even though I may not post, reply or even read all the posts, I stop by daily
to see what the latest topic of interest are.
Build complete 8/2014
Mike Perez
"If God is your co-pilot...switch seats!"
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| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
Thank you all for the warm welcome! My mission for the Pietenpol is to keep
it as light and simple as possible, although I will be flying off an airpo
rt with an elevation of 3300ft, during the summer I will only fly in the mo
rnings and evenings, not when its hot and high,
I fly a King Air for a living and have access to a Cessna 170 180hp, so the
Pietenpol will not be my only means of flying,
I love the idea of putting around at 70 mph 500ft agl like its the 1930's w
ith my 10 year old son in the front seat, we plan to fly it to all the loca
l fly-inn's, thank you all for your advice, keep it coming, I'm sure I will
be posting pictures and asking all kinds of questions.
John
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 30, 2015, at 7:46 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net<mailto
:speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
Hello John and welcome. I just finished my plane this past summer and at th
is time, am not sure when I might get it to a hangar and start some ground
work. You may want to visit this list often as it is quite dynamic and chan
ges quickly. Even though I may not post, reply or even read all the posts,
I stop by daily to see what the latest topic of interest are.
Build complete 8/2014
Mike Perez
"If God is your co-pilot...switch seats!"
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| Subject: | Re: Flight plan symbol |
Beautiful plane!
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 29, 2015, at 8:39 PM, Fastnaught John <fastnaught@windstream.net> w
rote:
>
> Chris,
> I knew there would be someone out there that would take the challenge and r
un with it. And run you did. Thanks for the extensive homework. I guess I
=99ll be filing with HXA due to your research. I appreciate what you did.
> Thanks,
> jack
>
> <IMG_1191.JPG>
>> On Jan 29, 2015, at 9:25 PM, CatDesigns <CatDesigns@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'll take a stab at it.
>>
>> According to the FAA's Airman's information manual (AIM) your probably
>> trying to fill out box 3 on the flight plan. See
>> http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/AIM/aim0501.html#aim05
01.
>> html.8
>>
>>
>> Box 3 is to contain "the designator for the aircraft, or if unknown consu
lt
>> the FSS briefer".
>>
>> A little more sleuthing found this publication of Aircraft Type Designato
rs,
>>
>>
>> https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/Basic%20Order%20C
ove
>> r.pdf
>>
>>
>> This is the page for P-manufactures and low and behold there is a Pietenp
ol
>> (look way down the list)but it has the wrong name of the airplane, an
>> Aerial.
>>
>> https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-2-p.htm
>>
>> The designator for this airplane is PARL. I'd bet this will work.
>>
>> If however you want to be more precise use this as a guide
>>
>> https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-3.htm
>>
>> The designator for a Pietenpol would be a HXA
>>
>>
>> Chris
>> Sacramento, CA
>> WestcoastPiet.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
>> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 1:40 PM
>> To: Pietenpol List
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol
>>
>>
>> Gentlemen,
>> If and when you were to file a flight plan (LOL), what would you use for t
he
>> type aircraft?
>> Thanks,
>> Jack
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>
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| Subject: | Flight plan symbol |
Hi Jack,
As others have said, I rarely ever file a VFR flight plan, especially in my
Pietenpol. I have had to file a flight plan only once, when I flew it into
Dulles International Airport (KIAD). Since Dulles is inside the Washington
SFRA, a flight plan is required. I filed as "Experimental N899JP". When I
called Potomac Tracon on the radio to get my transponder code and clearance
to enter the Class B airspace, I called in as "Pietenpol November X-Ray 899
Juliet Papa".
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 4:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol
Gentlemen,
If and when you were to file a flight plan (LOL), what would you use for the
type aircraft?
Thanks,
Jack
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
Nice looking Pietenpol!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotjkl
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 6:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner
--> <pilot@fehrsmetalbuilding.com>
Project picture
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| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
Altitude at Seminole is 3,300. Density altitude can be a tail kicker. Most
Cubs and Champs in West Texas have been up engined from 65HP to 85, 90 or
100. You might even consider looking at a Corvair for more HP. (You could
trade your 65 for that.)
My 100HP Cessna 150, fully loaded, took a really long time to get out of
ground effect at a 2000 MSL airport and I barely got enough altitude to get
to Lubbock (3000 ft MSL) on a 112 degree day. That got my attention.
Van White, an old aviator at Biggen Hill Airport near Shallowater, told me
that his dad had a model A powered Pietenpol in the 1930s. One day his dad
flew him to visit a farmer friend in anouther county and in the heat of the
afternoon, his dad could not get the plane to fly out of ground effect for
the trip home. His dad ordered 10 year old Van out and told him to
find his own way home and took off. Van said it sure was a long walk to a
road where someone gave him a ride.
John, Do the math and make your own decision. With 65HP you can always fly
early in the day.
I hope to fly my Piet up to the Panhandle someday for a tour, visiting
family and friends, But I only have 65HP so I will probably plan on spring
or fall.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:54 PM, tkreiner <tkreiner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> With the temps in W Texas - I've spend several summers out there - you
> might reconsider and find an O-235 to hang on your airframe. At the
> density altitudes you'll encounter, a 65 Hp engine might produce 40 Hp on
> a hot summers day. The O-235 would probably give you around 80 Hp, a HUGE
> improvement over the A-65...
>
> Just my $0.02
>
> --------
> Tom Kreiner
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437852#437852
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Flight plan symbol |
Very looking Pietenpol, Jack. Is that dark green or dark blue? Where
are you located?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Fastnaught John
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol
Chris,
I knew there would be someone out there that would take the challenge
and run with it. And run you did. Thanks for the extensive homework. I
guess I=99ll be filing with HXA due to your research. I appreciate
what you did.
Thanks,
jack
On Jan 29, 2015, at 9:25 PM, CatDesigns <CatDesigns@att.net
<mailto:CatDesigns@att.net> > wrote:
<mailto:CatDesigns@att.net> >
I'll take a stab at it.
According to the FAA's Airman's information manual (AIM) your probably
trying to fill out box 3 on the flight plan. See
http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/AIM/aim0501.html#aim05
01.
html.8
Box 3 is to contain "the designator for the aircraft, or if unknown
consult
the FSS briefer".
A little more sleuthing found this publication of Aircraft Type
Designators,
https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/Basic%20Order%20C
ove
r.pdf
This is the page for P-manufactures and low and behold there is a
Pietenpol
(look way down the list)but it has the wrong name of the airplane, an
Aerial.
https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-2-p.htm
The designator for this airplane is PARL. I'd bet this will work.
If however you want to be more precise use this as a guide
https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-3.htm
The designator for a Pietenpol would be a HXA
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestcoastPiet.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 1:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol
<mailto:fastnaught@windstream.net> >
Gentlemen,
If and when you were to file a flight plan (LOL), what would you use for
the
type aircraft?
Thanks,
Jack
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Flight plan symbol |
Dan,
Thanks, it's due to much help from folks like you.
Jack
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 30, 2015, at 6:29 AM, danhelsper@aol.com wrote:
>
> Wow Jack! Beautiful airplane. You been hold'n back on us!
>
> Dan Helsper
> Loensloe Airfield
> Puryear, TN
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flight plan symbol |
Jack,
The green is "Forest green" poly tone, with "Tuscon cream."
Jack
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 30, 2015, at 11:04 AM, Jack Philips <jack@bedfordlandings.com> wrot
e:
>
> Very looking Pietenpol, Jack. Is that dark green or dark blue? Where are
you located?
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fastnaught John
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 11:40 PM
> To: Pietenpol List
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol
>
> Chris,
> I knew there would be someone out there that would take the challenge and r
un with it. And run you did. Thanks for the extensive homework. I guess I
=99ll be filing with HXA due to your research. I appreciate what you did.
> Thanks,
> jack
>
>
> On Jan 29, 2015, at 9:25 PM, CatDesigns <CatDesigns@att.net> wrote:
>
>
> I'll take a stab at it.
>
> According to the FAA's Airman's information manual (AIM) your probably
> trying to fill out box 3 on the flight plan. See
> http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/AIM/aim0501.html#aim050
1.
> html.8
>
>
> Box 3 is to contain "the designator for the aircraft, or if unknown consul
t
> the FSS briefer".
>
> A little more sleuthing found this publication of Aircraft Type Designator
s,
>
>
> https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/Basic%20Order%20Co
ve
> r.pdf
>
>
> This is the page for P-manufactures and low and behold there is a Pietenpo
l
> (look way down the list)but it has the wrong name of the airplane, an
> Aerial.
>
> https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-2-p.htm
>
> The designator for this airplane is PARL. I'd bet this will work.
>
> If however you want to be more precise use this as a guide
>
> https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-3.htm
>
> The designator for a Pietenpol would be a HXA
>
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestcoastPiet.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 1:40 PM
> To: Pietenpol List
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol
>
>
> Gentlemen,
> If and when you were to file a flight plan (LOL), what would you use for t
he
> type aircraft?
> Thanks,
> Jack
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | throttle quadrant ideas |
Hey Guys (and a few girls).
im about to fabricate the throttle as per plans and was wondering what folks
have done to incorporate a friction device and carb heat.
i guess the obvious spot for the friction would be at the pivot point, but i
wasnt sure if enough friction could be added at that point to make it effective.
would like the carb heat along side the throttle to make it a seemless operation.
any ideas? would like to keep it as original as possible. Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Flight plan symbol |
Jack,
Sorry I forgot the second question. I'm in Gilbert, SC. It's about 25 miles w
est of Columbia, about center of the state. I live in a fly-in community cal
led Whiteplains plantation ( SC99). Come by and visit anytime.
Jack
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> On Jan 30, 2015, at 11:04 AM, Jack Philips <jack@bedfordlandings.com> wrot
e:
>
> Very looking Pietenpol, Jack. Is that dark green or dark blue? Where are
you located?
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fastnaught John
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 11:40 PM
> To: Pietenpol List
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol
>
> Chris,
> I knew there would be someone out there that would take the challenge and r
un with it. And run you did. Thanks for the extensive homework. I guess I
=99ll be filing with HXA due to your research. I appreciate what you did.
> Thanks,
> jack
>
> <image001.jpg>
> On Jan 29, 2015, at 9:25 PM, CatDesigns <CatDesigns@att.net> wrote:
>
>
> I'll take a stab at it.
>
> According to the FAA's Airman's information manual (AIM) your probably
> trying to fill out box 3 on the flight plan. See
> http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/AIM/aim0501.html#aim050
1.
> html.8
>
>
> Box 3 is to contain "the designator for the aircraft, or if unknown consul
t
> the FSS briefer".
>
> A little more sleuthing found this publication of Aircraft Type Designator
s,
>
>
> https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/Basic%20Order%20Co
ve
> r.pdf
>
>
> This is the page for P-manufactures and low and behold there is a Pietenpo
l
> (look way down the list)but it has the wrong name of the airplane, an
> Aerial.
>
> https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-2-p.htm
>
> The designator for this airplane is PARL. I'd bet this will work.
>
> If however you want to be more precise use this as a guide
>
> https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-3.htm
>
> The designator for a Pietenpol would be a HXA
>
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestcoastPiet.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 1:40 PM
> To: Pietenpol List
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol
>
>
> Gentlemen,
> If and when you were to file a flight plan (LOL), what would you use for t
he
> type aircraft?
> Thanks,
> Jack
>
> Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
Steve, Thanks for your help on this matter, I have never flown a Pietenpol
but have owned a Champ 7AC with the A65 and was very satisfied with the per
formance and it was a 760lbs airplane, I know that the Champ has a larger w
ing but it also is100+lbs heavier than the Pietenpol, maybe you or someone
else on this forum has experience in both the Pietenpol A65 and Champ A65 a
nd would be willing to give a comparison.
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 30, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com<mailt
o:steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>> wrote:
Altitude at Seminole is 3,300. Density altitude can be a tail kicker. Most
Cubs and Champs in West Texas have been up engined from 65HP to 85, 90 or 1
00. You might even consider looking at a Corvair for more HP. (You could tr
ade your 65 for that.)
My 100HP Cessna 150, fully loaded, took a really long time to get out of gr
ound effect at a 2000 MSL airport and I barely got enough altitude to get t
o Lubbock (3000 ft MSL) on a 112 degree day. That got my attention.
Van White, an old aviator at Biggen Hill Airport near Shallowater, told me
that his dad had a model A powered Pietenpol in the 1930s. One day his dad
flew him to visit a farmer friend in anouther county and in the heat of the
afternoon, his dad could not get the plane to fly out of ground effect for
the trip home. His dad ordered 10 year old Van out and told him to find hi
s own way home and took off. Van said it sure was a long walk to a road whe
re someone gave him a ride.
John, Do the math and make your own decision. With 65HP you can always fly
early in the day.
I hope to fly my Piet up to the Panhandle someday for a tour, visiting fami
ly and friends, But I only have 65HP so I will probably plan on spring or f
all.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:54 PM, tkreiner <tkreiner@gmail.com<mailto:tkrein
er@gmail.com>> wrote:
:tkreiner@gmail.com>>
With the temps in W Texas - I've spend several summers out there - you migh
t reconsider and find an O-235 to hang on your airframe. At the density al
titudes you'll encounter, a 65 Hp engine might produce 40 Hp on a hot summ
ers day. The O-235 would probably give you around 80 Hp, a HUGE improvemen
t over the A-65...
Just my $0.02
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| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
Can someone tell me why Jeff Boatright=99s emails show up blank?
He usually has something intelligent to say, and I dislike missing it.
Gary Boothe
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Boatright, Jeffrey
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner
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| Subject: | Throttle Quadrant Ideas |
Paul,
In the attached, you can see how close the Carb Heat is to the throttle.
With just a little more thought, you could make it side-by-side with the
throttle, too. I have found no reason for a friction lock.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
Hey Guys (and a few girls).
im about to fabricate the throttle as per plans and was wondering what folks
have done to incorporate a friction device and carb heat.
i guess the obvious spot for the friction would be at the pivot point, but i
wasnt sure if enough friction could be added at that point to make it
effective.
would like the carb heat along side the throttle to make it a seemless
operation.
any ideas? would like to keep it as original as possible. Paul
_______________
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Started 8-3-12
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle Quadrant Ideas |
Nice Gary. I had the same question as Paul did and just might use yours
as something to go off of. Getting ready to tackle the Piet project
after a 4 month pause while I studied for and trained for my IFR and CPL
licenses.
Charles B
On 1/30/2015 4:39 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
>
> Paul,
>
> In the attached, you can see how close the Carb Heat is to the
> throttle. With just a little more thought, you could make it
> side-by-side with the throttle, too. I have found no reason for a
> friction lock.
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> NX308MB
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>
> what folks have done to incorporate a friction device and carb heat. |
> point, but i wasnt sure if enough friction could be added at that
> point to make it effective. |
> seemless operation. *|*
> *|*any ideas? would like to keep it as original as possible.*||*Paul*|
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| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
I'm afraid all I said this time was "Piet good! Champ and Cub bad! Uggabugg
a! Harrumph!"
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On Jan 30, 2015, at 4:33 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net<mailto:gboot
he5@comcast.net>> wrote:
Can someone tell me why Jeff Boatright=92s emails show up blank? He usually
has something intelligent to say, and I dislike missing it.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-pietenpol-list
-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] O
n Behalf Of Boatright, Jeffrey
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner
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| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
Thanks for sharing Jeffrey, if I read your post right, I should be more ple
ased with the performance of my Pietenpol A65 then my A65 Champ, even if it
is equal I will be happy with my Pietenpol, one of my goals is to keep it
cheap, I have lots of three A65 engines and lots of parts,
Now I just need a prop!
Regards
John
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On Jan 30, 2015, at 3:12 PM, Boatright, Jeffrey <jeffboatright@emory.edu<ma
ilto:jeffboatright@emory.edu>> wrote:
Take this all with a grain of salt as the sampling size is tiny; your milea
ge may vary=85
I have flown my Piet with an A65 and a C-85. I took instruction in an A65-p
owered Champ and I=92ve had some flights in Cubs powered by A-65s and C-85s
. Far and away the best performer is my Piet with a C-85.
The Piet has much crisper control responses than the Champs or Cubs. The Ch
amp wallowed. The handling of the Cubs just plain sucked ' heavy, pondero
usly slow, and not precise at all. The Champ is the most dynamically stable
, followed by the Cubs. The Piet is darned neared neutral, and indeed will
happily continue into a bank if positive correction is not made by the pilo
t. The Champ is much more comfortable in turbulence (again, it just wallows
). The Piet and Cubs are about equally skittish in turbulence ' not fun a
t all!
Climb rate of the Piet with the A-65 was OK; it=92s great with the C'85.
The Champ and Cubs are pretty anemic climbers, even with the C-85. It=92s c
ounterintuitive to me, but that=92s been my experience.
Overall I find the Piet a much more fun airplane. I was surprised by this.
I really thought I=92d like the Champ more, but I didn=92t. And, overall, C
ubs just suck. Sorry to all those romantics out there! But, the two Cubs I
=92ve flown just suck.
HTH,
Jeff
From: John Letkeman <pilot@fehrs.com<mailto:pilot@fehrs.com>>
>" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>>
pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner
Steve, Thanks for your help on this matter, I have never flown a Pietenpol
but have owned a Champ 7AC with the A65 and was very satisfied with the per
formance and it was a 760lbs airplane, I know that the Champ has a larger w
ing but it also is100+lbs heavier than the Pietenpol, maybe you or someone
else on this forum has experience in both the Pietenpol A65 and Champ A65 a
nd would be willing to give a comparison.
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 30, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com<mailt
o:steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>> wrote:
Altitude at Seminole is 3,300. Density altitude can be a tail kicker. Most
Cubs and Champs in West Texas have been up engined from 65HP to 85, 90 or 1
00. You might even consider looking at a Corvair for more HP. (You could tr
ade your 65 for that.)
My 100HP Cessna 150, fully loaded, took a really long time to get out of gr
ound effect at a 2000 MSL airport and I barely got enough altitude to get t
o Lubbock (3000 ft MSL) on a 112 degree day. That got my attention.
Van White, an old aviator at Biggen Hill Airport near Shallowater, told me
that his dad had a model A powered Pietenpol in the 1930s. One day his dad
flew him to visit a farmer friend in anouther county and in the heat of the
afternoon, his dad could not get the plane to fly out of ground effect for
the trip home. His dad ordered 10 year old Van out and told him to find hi
s own way home and took off. Van said it sure was a long walk to a road whe
re someone gave him a ride.
John, Do the math and make your own decision. With 65HP you can always fly
early in the day.
I hope to fly my Piet up to the Panhandle someday for a tour, visiting fami
ly and friends, But I only have 65HP so I will probably plan on spring or f
all.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:54 PM, tkreiner <tkreiner@gmail.com<mailto:tkrein
er@gmail.com>> wrote:
:tkreiner@gmail.com>>
With the temps in W Texas - I've spend several summers out there - you migh
t reconsider and find an O-235 to hang on your airframe. At the density al
titudes you'll encounter, a 65 Hp engine might produce 40 Hp on a hot summ
ers day. The O-235 would probably give you around 80 Hp, a HUGE improvemen
t over the A-65...
Just my $0.02
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IFR in a Piet? You're going to use all your Useful Load hauling your b__ls
around!
Gary Boothe
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Burkholder
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Throttle Quadrant Ideas
Nice Gary. I had the same question as Paul did and just might use yours as
something to go off of. Getting ready to tackle the Piet project after a 4
month pause while I studied for and trained for my IFR and CPL licenses.
Charles B
On 1/30/2015 4:39 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
Paul,
In the attached, you can see how close the Carb Heat is to the throttle.
With just a little more thought, you could make it side-by-side with the
throttle, too. I have found no reason for a friction lock.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
Hey Guys (and a few girls).
im about to fabricate the throttle as per plans and was wondering what folks
have done to incorporate a friction device and carb heat.
i guess the obvious spot for the friction would be at the pivot point, but i
wasnt sure if enough friction could be added at that point to make it
effective.
would like the carb heat along side the throttle to make it a seemless
operation.
any ideas? would like to keep it as original as possible. Paul
_______________
Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
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| Subject: | handling, climbing-- Piet, Champ, Cub |
Having a little time in each of these Jeff Boatright I'd say your observati
ons matched mine about these airplanes
with one possible exception---the Champ I flew had a metal prop on an A-65
and it would lift more and climb better
than a friend of mine who had the same basic plane but was using a wood pro
p of similar pitch and diameter.
In all respects I believe the Piet is a nicer handling plane than a Cub or
Champ but love the speed of the Champ (87mph seems fast now!)
and the comfort, plus you can fly with the door removed so it feels semi-op
en cockpit.
All three planes are very forgiving and docile airplanes though for sure.
Mike C.
Ohio
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| Subject: | Re: throttle quadrant ideas |
Thanks Gary. Ive been away from general aviation for a while. for some reason i
was thinking the throttle was spring loaded in one direction. my bad.
could you give details on how the linkage is constructed? looks like a steel
tube. how does it make its way to the carb?
Also. i like your short stacks from a previous post. how do you get carb heat
from that set up? Paul
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| Subject: | trim system for both cockpits |
a few months ago I asked the group about a trim actuating system that both cockpits
could access. I was mostly told it wasnt necessary. which could be very true,
but I couldnt stop thinking of different ways to do it. I finally decided
on the below pic. its not completely finished, but you'll get the idea. obviously
not flight proven, but it seems to do the trick. if not, easy to remove.
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| Subject: | Fwd: B: OT: Lindbergh's Flight--A MUST for airplane lovers! |
Well done, from the Bonanza list.
STeve D
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jim Holmes <vtailf35@frontier.com>
Subject: B: OT: Lindbergh's Flight--A MUST for airplane lovers!
This was really awesome.
Lindbergh's Flight
Win Perkins, a real estate appraiser who specializes in airport
properties, has posted on his Website, a video he created of Charles
Lindbergh's famous and risky takeoff in the "Spirit of St. Louis" (20 May
1927).
According to Perkins, this is unlike any other presentation of the takeoff
footage.
Perkins said he "painstakingly assembled news footage from five cameras
that filmed Lindbergh's takeoff from Roosevelt Field, Long Island "and
"mixed it with enhanced audio from the same newsreel sources."
This is one of the most interesting videos I've seen over the Internet.
INSTRUCTIONS: Below When you click on the address, episode #3 comes up
ready to play.
I suggest you first click on "CONTACT" to the left and select #1, then watch
them in order, #1 through #4 ...
(each time going back to " Contact" and selecting the next one).
I was glued to the screen through all 4.
What guts it took for Lindbergh to
overcome the odds against him, and accomplish this amazing feat!
How he survived the fatigue from lack of sleep is hard to believe.
<http://www.airportappraisals.com/> http://www.airportappraisals.com/
Jim Holmes
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