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1. 12:55 AM - Re: Flight plan symbol (jarheadpilot82)
2. 04:40 AM - Re: Re: Flight plan symbol (Jack)
3. 05:20 AM - Re: Flight plan symbol (jarheadpilot82)
4. 06:21 AM - Re: Flight plan symbol (tools)
5. 08:07 AM - Re: flop latch (taildrags)
6. 08:13 AM - Re: bent aileron horn (taildrags)
7. 09:20 AM - Re: Re: bent aileron horn (Claude Corbett)
8. 12:50 PM - Re: Re: Flight plan symbol (Jack)
9. 01:41 PM - Re: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner (John Letkeman)
10. 06:05 PM - Defensive flying (Gary Boothe)
11. 06:05 PM - Re: throttle quadrant ideas (Jerry Dotson)
12. 08:08 PM - Re: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner (Steven Dortch)
13. 08:16 PM - Re: Re: throttle quadrant ideas (Steven Dortch)
14. 08:20 PM - Re: Defensive flying (Ray Krause)
15. 08:40 PM - Re: trim system for both cockpits (AircamperN11MS)
16. 09:59 PM - Re: Re: throttle quadrant ideas (Gary Boothe)
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| Subject: | Re: Flight plan symbol |
Jack,
It is indeed a beautiful airplane. I haven't seen your answer yet, but I was curious
as well. Did you build it?
It is a beautiful airplane, but in your large photo I noticed 2 things worth, I
think, mentioning. 1.) you have hard fuel lines, combined with 2.) smaller diagonal
braces on the front cabanes. William Wynne has written 2 articles about
how that combination almost killed him. Here are links to both articles-
http://flycorvair.net/2013/12/19/pietenpol-fuel-lines-and-cabanes/
http://flycorvair.net/2013/12/20/fuel-lines-and-cabanes-part-2/
I think that as a group that we are not doing anyone a favor if we point out only
the good and avoid pointing out any areas to be improved upon. I hope you take
this post in the spirit it is sent, one pilot concerned about another.
BTW, I live in Athens GA, not horribly far from you. I would like to fly or drive
over some time and look at your plane in person. Maybe we can set that up some
time.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Flight plan symbol |
Terry,
I bought a project about 2 years ago and finished it. So I sort-of built it. I
can certainly tell you I put a lot of work into it.
I don't take any offense to observations good or bad. I appreciate the counsel.
I have commiserated over the fuel lines. I had them installed when I found out
about WW's article. I still may bite the bullet and change them. Thanks for
the observation.
I would enjoy your visit. Please come by anytime, in fact let's set a day. What's
good for you?
As an aside, I'm looking forward to Brodhead this year and would like to fly there
with someone, are you game?
Please keep in touch.
Jack
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> On Jan 31, 2015, at 3:54 AM, jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Jack,
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> It is indeed a beautiful airplane. I haven't seen your answer yet, but I was
curious as well. Did you build it?
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> It is a beautiful airplane, but in your large photo I noticed 2 things worth,
I think, mentioning. 1.) you have hard fuel lines, combined with 2.) smaller
diagonal braces on the front cabanes. William Wynne has written 2 articles about
how that combination almost killed him. Here are links to both articles-
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> http://flycorvair.net/2013/12/19/pietenpol-fuel-lines-and-cabanes/
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> http://flycorvair.net/2013/12/20/fuel-lines-and-cabanes-part-2/
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> I think that as a group that we are not doing anyone a favor if we point out
only the good and avoid pointing out any areas to be improved upon. I hope you
take this post in the spirit it is sent, one pilot concerned about another.
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> BTW, I live in Athens GA, not horribly far from you. I would like to fly or drive
over some time and look at your plane in person. Maybe we can set that up
some time.
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> Semper Fi,
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> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Flight plan symbol |
Jack,
I could be! Let's talk.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Flight plan symbol |
Jack,
Are you considering flying the Piet up to Brodhead? I did last year, and probably
will again this year. Mine is based just south of Chatt TN. Jeff Boatright
almost did, if we start to work on him now, might be able to twist his arm
enough to do it this year, then we'd have a squadron going up!
It's a hell of a commitment to get one that far, and starting a plan now probably
isn't very much too early!
Also, I'm hosting a weekend of playing around with machine tools I have just south
of Chatt from 26 Feb to 1 Mar. There's going to be half a dozen or more Pietenpol
guys there, you're more than welcome to come join us. There's a really
nice grass field about 5 miles from the place, very welcome to base out of
there. About 10 miles south is 9a5 which has self serve, indoor hangar space,
etc. Do a quick look through the threads on here about "toolstock" for details.
Tools
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41CC has no latches and the flop does not seem to move at all, in any flight regime.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: bent aileron horn |
Gentlemen (and Steve);
One of my rudder horns got bent and I got it straightened out with the help of a friend at work. Some pictures at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/rudder.html
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: bent aileron horn |
It's a real good feeling to see someone enjoy an airplane as much as you, especially
nc41cc.
Be careful and keep flying
Corky
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> On Jan 31, 2015, at 10:13 AM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
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| Subject: | Re: Flight plan symbol |
Terry,
Give me some contact info or call me 802-414-2235
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> On Jan 31, 2015, at 8:19 AM, jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
Oscar,
Although I've been flying for 15 years, I'm pretty new to experimental aircraft,
I've been interested in the Pietenpol for as long as I've been flying, I need too
research the FAR's
And find out what the steps are too getting N-# and airworthiness certificate,
I'm ok with not getting repairman certificate, is Raymond Hanover on this forum?
I would like too visit with him,
He's only about a two hour flight in the C170.
Thanks
John
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> On Jan 30, 2015, at 6:38 AM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> John; there's nothing wrong with you being the builder... the FARs just say that
the airplane has be be amateur-built but it doesn't say you have to be the
only builder. My Piet and most others have been through several hands before
being completed by the second, third, or more builders. What you're probably
saying is that you probably will not qualify to get the repairman's certificate
for it. That would permit you to do your own condition inspections on it,
and for that you have to convince your DAR that you've done enough of the work
on it that you're so familiar with it that you can inspect it. With the wings
and fuselage covered and painted, I don't think you have much hope of getting
that cert.
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> You do have a nearby neighbor (nearby, if measured by Texas standards)- Raymond
Hanover is up in Skellytown and is in test flights with his Corvair-powered
GN-1.
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> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
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| Subject: | Defensive flying |
I don't ride a motorcycle, but I sometimes think that flying a Piet in the
pattern is a defensive action, like motorcycles.
<http://youtu.be/tOc1fqaysNo> http://youtu.be/tOc1fqaysNo
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| Subject: | Re: throttle quadrant ideas |
Paul my throttle creeps open if no friction is on it. The friction "rig" works
fine on mine. Carb heat is the knob above the throttle..
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Jerry Dotson
First flight June 16,2012
Flying in phase 2
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
John, It looks 90% complete. That means there is only 50% to go!
Seriously, Don't be surprised if you spend some time figuring out why or
how the last builder did something. I spend a lot of time doing just that.
If you can't find a local Pietenpol or even (Heaven forbid) Grega, look
around for someone who has built a Bowers Flybaby. While very different in
many ways (low wing, single seat), there are a lot of building similarities
(Wood frame, cloth, A65)
One of my problem solving mentors built a fly baby. He is full of
information. He also gets me to simplify my sometimes overly complex
thoughts. IE, "Rather than custom machining a mount, why don't you just
burn a hole in the fabric and turn the bolt around!" "Use one long screw
instead of two short ones." He really wants me to get my plane flying
because, "no one else flies as slow as I do."
Oscar also helped me by getting me to write down everything I thought I
wanted to do. Then he had me do a shorter list of everything that had to be
done to fly safely. Work off of that list first, then later you can add
bells and whistles (or guns and bombs and smoke, and horns that play songs)
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 3:40 PM, John Letkeman <pilot@fehrs.com> wrote:
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> Oscar,
> Although I've been flying for 15 years, I'm pretty new to experimental
> aircraft,
> I've been interested in the Pietenpol for as long as I've been flying, I
> need too research the FAR's
> And find out what the steps are too getting N-# and airworthiness
> certificate, I'm ok with not getting repairman certificate, is Raymond
> Hanover on this forum? I would like too visit with him,
> He's only about a two hour flight in the C170.
> Thanks
> John
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> Sent from my iPad
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> > On Jan 30, 2015, at 6:38 AM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > John; there's nothing wrong with you being the builder... the FARs just
> say that the airplane has be be amateur-built but it doesn't say you have
> to be the only builder. My Piet and most others have been through several
> hands before being completed by the second, third, or more builders. What
> you're probably saying is that you probably will not qualify to get the
> repairman's certificate for it. That would permit you to do your own
> condition inspections on it, and for that you have to convince your DAR
> that you've done enough of the work on it that you're so familiar with it
> that you can inspect it. With the wings and fuselage covered and painted,
> I don't think you have much hope of getting that cert.
> >
> > You do have a nearby neighbor (nearby, if measured by Texas standards)-
> Raymond Hanover is up in Skellytown and is in test flights with his
> Corvair-powered GN-1.
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> > Oscar Zuniga
> > Medford, OR
> > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> > A75 power
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: throttle quadrant ideas |
Jerry, is your throttle on the right side?
Steve D
On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Jerry Dotson <jdotson@centurylink.net>
wrote:
> jdotson@centurylink.net>
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> Paul my throttle creeps open if no friction is on it. The friction "rig"
> works fine on mine. Carb heat is the knob above the throttle..
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> Jerry Dotson
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> First flight June 16,2012
> Flying in phase 2
> Lycoming O-235 C2C
> Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
> do not archive
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Defensive flying |
Gary,
When we get used to using radios, we soon forget that others might not have o
ne. I'm keenly aware now since my grandson is flying our Aeronca (NORAD) som
etimes as I'm flying the Waiex at the same time at O08. He makes big, slow s
tudent pilot patterns while I make small fast patterns.
Reminds me of the time I came to visit you and had not changed from 122.8 af
ter I left Oroville and Colusa! Sure was quiet at Lincoln, no traffic to wor
ry about.
Scary,
Ray
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> On Jan 31, 2015, at 6:02 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
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> I don=99t ride a motorcycle, but I sometimes think that flying a Pie
t in the pattern is a defensive action, like motorcycles http://you
tu.be/tOc1fqaysNo
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> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
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| Subject: | Re: trim system for both cockpits |
Very clever and simple. I like it.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: throttle quadrant ideas |
Notice any similarities here? Thanks, Jerry!!
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: throttle quadrant ideas
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Paul my throttle creeps open if no friction is on it. The friction "rig"
works fine on mine. Carb heat is the knob above the throttle..
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Jerry Dotson
First flight June 16,2012
Flying in phase 2
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
do not archive
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