---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/31/15: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:55 AM - Re: Flight plan symbol (jarheadpilot82) 2. 04:40 AM - Re: Re: Flight plan symbol (Jack) 3. 05:20 AM - Re: Flight plan symbol (jarheadpilot82) 4. 06:21 AM - Re: Flight plan symbol (tools) 5. 08:07 AM - Re: flop latch (taildrags) 6. 08:13 AM - Re: bent aileron horn (taildrags) 7. 09:20 AM - Re: Re: bent aileron horn (Claude Corbett) 8. 12:50 PM - Re: Re: Flight plan symbol (Jack) 9. 01:41 PM - Re: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner (John Letkeman) 10. 06:05 PM - Defensive flying (Gary Boothe) 11. 06:05 PM - Re: throttle quadrant ideas (Jerry Dotson) 12. 08:08 PM - Re: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner (Steven Dortch) 13. 08:16 PM - Re: Re: throttle quadrant ideas (Steven Dortch) 14. 08:20 PM - Re: Defensive flying (Ray Krause) 15. 08:40 PM - Re: trim system for both cockpits (AircamperN11MS) 16. 09:59 PM - Re: Re: throttle quadrant ideas (Gary Boothe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:55:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flight plan symbol From: "jarheadpilot82" Jack, It is indeed a beautiful airplane. I haven't seen your answer yet, but I was curious as well. Did you build it? It is a beautiful airplane, but in your large photo I noticed 2 things worth, I think, mentioning. 1.) you have hard fuel lines, combined with 2.) smaller diagonal braces on the front cabanes. William Wynne has written 2 articles about how that combination almost killed him. Here are links to both articles- http://flycorvair.net/2013/12/19/pietenpol-fuel-lines-and-cabanes/ http://flycorvair.net/2013/12/20/fuel-lines-and-cabanes-part-2/ I think that as a group that we are not doing anyone a favor if we point out only the good and avoid pointing out any areas to be improved upon. I hope you take this post in the spirit it is sent, one pilot concerned about another. BTW, I live in Athens GA, not horribly far from you. I would like to fly or drive over some time and look at your plane in person. Maybe we can set that up some time. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437886#437886 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:52 AM PST US From: Jack Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flight plan symbol Terry, I bought a project about 2 years ago and finished it. So I sort-of built it. I can certainly tell you I put a lot of work into it. I don't take any offense to observations good or bad. I appreciate the counsel. I have commiserated over the fuel lines. I had them installed when I found out about WW's article. I still may bite the bullet and change them. Thanks for the observation. I would enjoy your visit. Please come by anytime, in fact let's set a day. What's good for you? As an aside, I'm looking forward to Brodhead this year and would like to fly there with someone, are you game? Please keep in touch. Jack Sent from my iPad > On Jan 31, 2015, at 3:54 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: > > > Jack, > > It is indeed a beautiful airplane. I haven't seen your answer yet, but I was curious as well. Did you build it? > > It is a beautiful airplane, but in your large photo I noticed 2 things worth, I think, mentioning. 1.) you have hard fuel lines, combined with 2.) smaller diagonal braces on the front cabanes. William Wynne has written 2 articles about how that combination almost killed him. Here are links to both articles- > > http://flycorvair.net/2013/12/19/pietenpol-fuel-lines-and-cabanes/ > > http://flycorvair.net/2013/12/20/fuel-lines-and-cabanes-part-2/ > > I think that as a group that we are not doing anyone a favor if we point out only the good and avoid pointing out any areas to be improved upon. I hope you take this post in the spirit it is sent, one pilot concerned about another. > > BTW, I live in Athens GA, not horribly far from you. I would like to fly or drive over some time and look at your plane in person. Maybe we can set that up some time. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437886#437886 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:20:05 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flight plan symbol From: "jarheadpilot82" Jack, I could be! Let's talk. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437888#437888 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:12 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flight plan symbol From: "tools" Jack, Are you considering flying the Piet up to Brodhead? I did last year, and probably will again this year. Mine is based just south of Chatt TN. Jeff Boatright almost did, if we start to work on him now, might be able to twist his arm enough to do it this year, then we'd have a squadron going up! It's a hell of a commitment to get one that far, and starting a plan now probably isn't very much too early! Also, I'm hosting a weekend of playing around with machine tools I have just south of Chatt from 26 Feb to 1 Mar. There's going to be half a dozen or more Pietenpol guys there, you're more than welcome to come join us. There's a really nice grass field about 5 miles from the place, very welcome to base out of there. About 10 miles south is 9a5 which has self serve, indoor hangar space, etc. Do a quick look through the threads on here about "toolstock" for details. Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437889#437889 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:57 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: flop latch From: "taildrags" 41CC has no latches and the flop does not seem to move at all, in any flight regime. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437890#437890 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:55 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: bent aileron horn From: "taildrags" Gentlemen (and Steve); One of my rudder horns got bent and I got it straightened out with the help of a friend at work. Some pictures at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/rudder.html -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437891#437891 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:55 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: bent aileron horn From: Claude Corbett It's a real good feeling to see someone enjoy an airplane as much as you, especially nc41cc. Be careful and keep flying Corky Sent from my iPad > On Jan 31, 2015, at 10:13 AM, taildrags wrote: > > > Gentlemen (and Steve); > > One of my rudder horns got bent and I got it straightened out with the help of a friend at work. Some pictures at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/rudder.html > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437891#437891 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:50:51 PM PST US From: Jack Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flight plan symbol Terry, Give me some contact info or call me 802-414-2235 Sent from my iPad > On Jan 31, 2015, at 8:19 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: > > > Jack, > > I could be! Let's talk. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437888#437888 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:41:13 PM PST US From: John Letkeman Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner Oscar, Although I've been flying for 15 years, I'm pretty new to experimental aircraft, I've been interested in the Pietenpol for as long as I've been flying, I need too research the FAR's And find out what the steps are too getting N-# and airworthiness certificate, I'm ok with not getting repairman certificate, is Raymond Hanover on this forum? I would like too visit with him, He's only about a two hour flight in the C170. Thanks John Sent from my iPad > On Jan 30, 2015, at 6:38 AM, taildrags wrote: > > > John; there's nothing wrong with you being the builder... the FARs just say that the airplane has be be amateur-built but it doesn't say you have to be the only builder. My Piet and most others have been through several hands before being completed by the second, third, or more builders. What you're probably saying is that you probably will not qualify to get the repairman's certificate for it. That would permit you to do your own condition inspections on it, and for that you have to convince your DAR that you've done enough of the work on it that you're so familiar with it that you can inspect it. With the wings and fuselage covered and painted, I don't think you have much hope of getting that cert. > > You do have a nearby neighbor (nearby, if measured by Texas standards)- Raymond Hanover is up in Skellytown and is in test flights with his Corvair-powered GN-1. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437857#437857 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:08 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Defensive flying I don't ride a motorcycle, but I sometimes think that flying a Piet in the pattern is a defensive action, like motorcycles. http://youtu.be/tOc1fqaysNo Gary Boothe NX308MB ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: throttle quadrant ideas From: "Jerry Dotson" Paul my throttle creeps open if no friction is on it. The friction "rig" works fine on mine. Carb heat is the knob above the throttle.. -------- Jerry Dotson First flight June 16,2012 Flying in phase 2 Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437901#437901 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/throttle_267.jpg ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner From: Steven Dortch John, It looks 90% complete. That means there is only 50% to go! Seriously, Don't be surprised if you spend some time figuring out why or how the last builder did something. I spend a lot of time doing just that. If you can't find a local Pietenpol or even (Heaven forbid) Grega, look around for someone who has built a Bowers Flybaby. While very different in many ways (low wing, single seat), there are a lot of building similarities (Wood frame, cloth, A65) One of my problem solving mentors built a fly baby. He is full of information. He also gets me to simplify my sometimes overly complex thoughts. IE, "Rather than custom machining a mount, why don't you just burn a hole in the fabric and turn the bolt around!" "Use one long screw instead of two short ones." He really wants me to get my plane flying because, "no one else flies as slow as I do." Oscar also helped me by getting me to write down everything I thought I wanted to do. Then he had me do a shorter list of everything that had to be done to fly safely. Work off of that list first, then later you can add bells and whistles (or guns and bombs and smoke, and horns that play songs) Blue Skies, Steve D On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 3:40 PM, John Letkeman wrote: > > Oscar, > Although I've been flying for 15 years, I'm pretty new to experimental > aircraft, > I've been interested in the Pietenpol for as long as I've been flying, I > need too research the FAR's > And find out what the steps are too getting N-# and airworthiness > certificate, I'm ok with not getting repairman certificate, is Raymond > Hanover on this forum? I would like too visit with him, > He's only about a two hour flight in the C170. > Thanks > John > > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Jan 30, 2015, at 6:38 AM, taildrags wrote: > > > > > > > > John; there's nothing wrong with you being the builder... the FARs just > say that the airplane has be be amateur-built but it doesn't say you have > to be the only builder. My Piet and most others have been through several > hands before being completed by the second, third, or more builders. What > you're probably saying is that you probably will not qualify to get the > repairman's certificate for it. That would permit you to do your own > condition inspections on it, and for that you have to convince your DAR > that you've done enough of the work on it that you're so familiar with it > that you can inspect it. With the wings and fuselage covered and painted, > I don't think you have much hope of getting that cert. > > > > You do have a nearby neighbor (nearby, if measured by Texas standards)- > Raymond Hanover is up in Skellytown and is in test flights with his > Corvair-powered GN-1. > > > > -------- > > Oscar Zuniga > > Medford, OR > > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > > A75 power > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437857#437857 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:02 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: throttle quadrant ideas From: Steven Dortch Jerry, is your throttle on the right side? Steve D On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Jerry Dotson wrote: > jdotson@centurylink.net> > > Paul my throttle creeps open if no friction is on it. The friction "rig" > works fine on mine. Carb heat is the knob above the throttle.. > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > > First flight June 16,2012 > Flying in phase 2 > Lycoming O-235 C2C > Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 > do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437901#437901 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/throttle_267.jpg > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:53 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Defensive flying Gary, When we get used to using radios, we soon forget that others might not have o ne. I'm keenly aware now since my grandson is flying our Aeronca (NORAD) som etimes as I'm flying the Waiex at the same time at O08. He makes big, slow s tudent pilot patterns while I make small fast patterns. Reminds me of the time I came to visit you and had not changed from 122.8 af ter I left Oroville and Colusa! Sure was quiet at Lincoln, no traffic to wor ry about. Scary, Ray Sent from my iPad > On Jan 31, 2015, at 6:02 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > I don=99t ride a motorcycle, but I sometimes think that flying a Pie t in the pattern is a defensive action, like motorcycles http://you tu.be/tOc1fqaysNo > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:33 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: trim system for both cockpits From: "AircamperN11MS" Very clever and simple. I like it. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437906#437906 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:14 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: throttle quadrant ideas Notice any similarities here? Thanks, Jerry!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 6:05 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: throttle quadrant ideas --> < jdotson@centurylink.net> Paul my throttle creeps open if no friction is on it. The friction "rig" works fine on mine. Carb heat is the knob above the throttle.. -------- Jerry Dotson First flight June 16,2012 Flying in phase 2 Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437901#437901 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/throttle_267.jpg http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.