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1. 04:32 AM - Re: Defensive flying (Jack Philips)
2. 05:14 AM - Re: Defensive flying (Kip and Beth Gardner)
3. 05:25 AM - Sun-N-Fun 2015 (tonyp51qa)
4. 05:44 AM - Re: Defensive flying (Jeff Boatright)
5. 06:10 AM - Re: Re: Defensive flying (Gary Boothe)
6. 06:42 AM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 (Andre B. Charvet)
7. 06:57 AM - Re: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner (John Letkeman)
8. 07:05 AM - Re: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner (Steven Dortch)
9. 07:52 AM - Re: throttle quadrant ideas (Jerry Dotson)
10. 07:59 AM - Re: bent aileron horn (wheelharp)
11. 08:07 AM - Re: throttle quadrant ideas (nightmare)
12. 08:09 AM - Re: Re: bent aileron horn (Claude Corbett)
13. 08:11 AM - Re: Re: bent aileron horn (Gary Boothe)
14. 09:53 AM - Re: Re: throttle quadrant ideas (goffelectric@comcast.net)
15. 09:58 AM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 (dgaldrich)
16. 10:25 AM - Re: Re: throttle quadrant ideas (Jack Philips)
17. 10:25 AM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 (Barry Davis)
18. 11:12 AM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 (Jack Philips)
19. 12:03 PM - Re: Re: throttle quadrant ideas (Jack)
20. 12:06 PM - Re: Defensive flying (taildrags)
21. 12:11 PM - Re: bent aileron horn (taildrags)
22. 12:22 PM - Re: Re: Defensive flying (Gary Boothe)
23. 02:03 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 (Tony Crawford)
24. 02:25 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 (Ben Charvet)
25. 03:59 PM - Re: Re: Flight plan symbol (Jack)
26. 04:17 PM - Re: Defensive flying (Larry Vetter)
27. 04:56 PM - Re: Re: Defensive flying (Gary Boothe)
28. 05:38 PM - Re: Defensive flying (taildrags)
29. 05:50 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 (taildrags)
30. 06:19 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 (Gardiner Mason)
31. 06:26 PM - Re: Defensive flying (Jim Boyer)
32. 06:53 PM - Re: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 (Dick N)
33. 09:35 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 (taildrags)
34. 09:59 PM - Re: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 (Dick N)
35. 10:32 PM - Re: Re: throttle quadrant ideas (CLIF DAWSON)
36. 11:01 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
37. 11:05 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Defensive flying |
He was probably "Watching TV" on a glass panel. I've noticed that the more
complex the avionics, the less often people look outside. There are several
NORDO airplanes based at my field, and the Diamond and Cirrus pilots think
they should be banned from flying because they don't have transponders and
don't show up on their TCAS. I respond that unless IMC prevails, all glass
panels should go dark within 10 miles of the airport.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 9:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Defensive flying
I don't ride a motorcycle, but I sometimes think that flying a Piet in the
pattern is a defensive action, like motorcycles.
<http://youtu.be/tOc1fqaysNo> http://youtu.be/tOc1fqaysNo
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| Subject: | Re: Defensive flying |
Videocy - a form of idiocy induced by too much attention to video
screens. I did not realize that glass panel pilots shared this
affliction with teenagers.
On Feb 1, 2015, at 7:30 AM, Jack Philips wrote:
> He was probably =93Watching TV=94 on a glass panel. I=92ve noticed
that
> the more complex the avionics, the less often people look outside.
> There are several NORDO airplanes based at my field, and the Diamond
> and Cirrus pilots think they should be banned from flying because
> they don=92t have transponders and don=92t show up on their TCAS. I
> respond that unless IMC prevails, all glass panels should go dark
> within 10 miles of the airport.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 9:03 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Defensive flying
>
> I don=92t ride a motorcycle, but I sometimes think that flying a Piet
> in the pattern is a defensive action, like motorcycles=85
http://youtu.be/tOc1fqaysNo
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Hello All,
I was wondering if the will be any "PIETS" or anything related to the Pietenpol
at Sun-N-Fun 2015? I just moved here from Alaska at the end of June and i'm planning
to attend! I now live in Northern Alabama.
Tony
tonyp51qa@gmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Defensive flying |
Hi Gary,
Glad it all worked out. What is the text at the very end of the movie? It goes
by too quickly for me to catch.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Defensive flying |
Yeah...I wanted to add another frame, but couldn't figure out how...
I caught up with the 210 drivers. They said that they never heard me (not
surprised), and that was their excuse for not seeing me. That part bothered
me. I suggested that I would work on my communication issues, if they would
work on looking out for silent traffic. We did not shake hands.
Gary Boothe
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Boatright
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 5:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Defensive flying
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Hi Gary,
Glad it all worked out. What is the text at the very end of the movie? It
goes by too quickly for me to catch.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 |
There is always a group of Pietenpeople in the woodworking workshop at SNF. I flew
mine there a few years ago, but now that I've crossed that off my bucket list
I prefer my pop-up camper to the Aircamper. I believe John Hoffman said in
an earlier post he would have a booth somewhere for the Brodhead Pietenpol Assn.
Ben Charvet
Titusville,Fl
tonyp51qa <tonyp51qa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Hello All,
>I was wondering if the will be any "PIETS" or anything related to the Pietenpol
at Sun-N-Fun 2015? I just moved here from Alaska at the end of June and i'm
planning to attend! I now live in Northern Alabama.
>
>Tony
>
>tonyp51qa@gmail.com
>
>--------
>Tony Crawford
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437914#437914
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
90% done 50% to go! So true! I have spent a lot of time measuring parts and
looking at the plans already!
Are you in the San Antonio area? I fly my boss there occasionally.
John
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 31, 2015, at 10:10 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com<mail
to:steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>> wrote:
John, It looks 90% complete. That means there is only 50% to go!
Seriously, Don't be surprised if you spend some time figuring out why or ho
w the last builder did something. I spend a lot of time doing just that.
If you can't find a local Pietenpol or even (Heaven forbid) Grega, look aro
und for someone who has built a Bowers Flybaby. While very different in man
y ways (low wing, single seat), there are a lot of building similarities (W
ood frame, cloth, A65)
One of my problem solving mentors built a fly baby. He is full of informati
on. He also gets me to simplify my sometimes overly complex thoughts. IE, "
Rather than custom machining a mount, why don't you just burn a hole in the
fabric and turn the bolt around!" "Use one long screw instead of two short
ones." He really wants me to get my plane flying because, "no one else fl
ies as slow as I do."
Oscar also helped me by getting me to write down everything I thought I wan
ted to do. Then he had me do a shorter list of everything that had to be do
ne to fly safely. Work off of that list first, then later you can add bells
and whistles (or guns and bombs and smoke, and horns that play songs)
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 3:40 PM, John Letkeman <pilot@fehrs.com<mailto:pilo
t@fehrs.com>> wrote:
:pilot@fehrs.com>>
Oscar,
Although I've been flying for 15 years, I'm pretty new to experimental airc
raft,
I've been interested in the Pietenpol for as long as I've been flying, I ne
ed too research the FAR's
And find out what the steps are too getting N-# and airworthiness certifica
te, I'm ok with not getting repairman certificate, is Raymond Hanover on th
is forum? I would like too visit with him,
He's only about a two hour flight in the C170.
Thanks
John
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 30, 2015, at 6:38 AM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com<mailto:tail
drags@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com>>
>
> John; there's nothing wrong with you being the builder... the FARs just s
ay that the airplane has be be amateur-built but it doesn't say you have to
be the only builder. My Piet and most others have been through several ha
nds before being completed by the second, third, or more builders. What yo
u're probably saying is that you probably will not qualify to get the repai
rman's certificate for it. That would permit you to do your own condition
inspections on it, and for that you have to convince your DAR that you've d
one enough of the work on it that you're so familiar with it that you can i
nspect it. With the wings and fuselage covered and painted, I don't think
you have much hope of getting that cert.
>
> You do have a nearby neighbor (nearby, if measured by Texas standards)- R
aymond Hanover is up in Skellytown and is in test flights with his Corvair-
powered GN-1.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437857#437857
>
>
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
Yes, I am smack dab in the middle. I live on Fort Sam Houston.
with some warning I could haul you out to look over my project. Note it
takes 40 min to get there from almost any airport.
Steve D
On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 8:56 AM, John Letkeman <pilot@fehrs.com> wrote:
> 90% done 50% to go! So true! I have spent a lot of time measuring parts
> and looking at the plans already!
> Are you in the San Antonio area? I fly my boss there occasionally.
> John
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 31, 2015, at 10:10 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> John, It looks 90% complete. That means there is only 50% to go!
>
> Seriously, Don't be surprised if you spend some time figuring out why or
> how the last builder did something. I spend a lot of time doing just that.
>
> If you can't find a local Pietenpol or even (Heaven forbid) Grega, look
> around for someone who has built a Bowers Flybaby. While very different in
> many ways (low wing, single seat), there are a lot of building similarities
> (Wood frame, cloth, A65)
>
> One of my problem solving mentors built a fly baby. He is full of
> information. He also gets me to simplify my sometimes overly complex
> thoughts. IE, "Rather than custom machining a mount, why don't you just
> burn a hole in the fabric and turn the bolt around!" "Use one long screw
> instead of two short ones." He really wants me to get my plane flying
> because, "no one else flies as slow as I do."
>
> Oscar also helped me by getting me to write down everything I thought I
> wanted to do. Then he had me do a shorter list of everything that had to be
> done to fly safely. Work off of that list first, then later you can add
> bells and whistles (or guns and bombs and smoke, and horns that play songs)
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
> On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 3:40 PM, John Letkeman <pilot@fehrs.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Oscar,
>> Although I've been flying for 15 years, I'm pretty new to experimental
>> aircraft,
>> I've been interested in the Pietenpol for as long as I've been flying, I
>> need too research the FAR's
>> And find out what the steps are too getting N-# and airworthiness
>> certificate, I'm ok with not getting repairman certificate, is Raymond
>> Hanover on this forum? I would like too visit with him,
>> He's only about a two hour flight in the C170.
>> Thanks
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> > On Jan 30, 2015, at 6:38 AM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> taildrags@hotmail.com>
>> >
>> > John; there's nothing wrong with you being the builder... the FARs just
>> say that the airplane has be be amateur-built but it doesn't say you have
>> to be the only builder. My Piet and most others have been through several
>> hands before being completed by the second, third, or more builders. What
>> you're probably saying is that you probably will not qualify to get the
>> repairman's certificate for it. That would permit you to do your own
>> condition inspections on it, and for that you have to convince your DAR
>> that you've done enough of the work on it that you're so familiar with it
>> that you can inspect it. With the wings and fuselage covered and painted,
>> I don't think you have much hope of getting that cert.
>> >
>> > You do have a nearby neighbor (nearby, if measured by Texas standards)-
>> Raymond Hanover is up in Skellytown and is in test flights with his
>> Corvair-powered GN-1.
>> >
>> > --------
>> > Oscar Zuniga
>> > Medford, OR
>> > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> > A75 power
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Read this topic online here:
>> >
>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437857#437857
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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>> ==========
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>> b Site -
>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
> *
>
> ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
> ics.com <http://ics.com>
> .matronics.com/contribution <http://matronics.com/contribution>
>
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| Subject: | Re: throttle quadrant ideas |
Yes sir it is on the right. I flew a Luscombe about 1600 hours.... stick in left
hand throttle on the right. Plus I am left handed and the stick "FITS" better
in the left. I sure had a lot of fun with that little guy. Picture taken in1970
I think.
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Jerry Dotson
First flight June 16,2012
Flying in phase 2
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: bent aileron horn |
This might be a silly question, but why are these horns bending? Is it just from
excessive inputs, or something else.
Corky...good to see you on here! I remembered you keeping us updated on Chuck Gantzers
progress on his '04 tour, and I even was able to catch up with him and
put him up overnight so I could pester him with a barrage of Piet questions.
Jon in Missouri
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| Subject: | Re: throttle quadrant ideas |
Thanks Jerry, i'll probably fabricate a simple friction knob like yours at the
pivot point. Paul
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
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| Subject: | Re: bent aileron horn |
Thanks for the reply Jon. It's nice to be remembered
Corky
Sent from my iPad
> On Feb 1, 2015, at 9:59 AM, wheelharp <wheelharp@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> This might be a silly question, but why are these horns bending? Is it just from
excessive inputs, or something else.
>
> Corky...good to see you on here! I remembered you keeping us updated on Chuck
Gantzers progress on his '04 tour, and I even was able to catch up with him and
put him up overnight so I could pester him with a barrage of Piet questions.
>
> Jon in Missouri
>
> --------
> Jon Jones
> Ironton, MO
>
>
>
>
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>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437921#437921
>
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| Subject: | Re: bent aileron horn |
Mine bent because I had changed the direction of the cable, by adding 1 more
pulley, so that the cable was pulling downward, too. In the repair, I
adjusted the angle of the rudder horn to be in line with the cable.
Gary Boothe
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wheelharp
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 8:00 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: bent aileron horn
This might be a silly question, but why are these horns bending? Is it just
from excessive inputs, or something else.
Corky...good to see you on here! I remembered you keeping us updated on
Chuck Gantzers progress on his '04 tour, and I even was able to catch up
with him and put him up overnight so I could pester him with a barrage of
Piet questions.
Jon in Missouri
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Ironton, MO
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| Subject: | Re: throttle quadrant ideas |
I,m glad to see this post. I've been trying to decide for months what side to put
my throttle on. I'm very left handed plus the Cessna and cherokee I fly are
yoke in the left hand and throttle in the right I don't know if I could land
using my right hand. But I don't want to build a plane no other Piet pilot could
fly. So really I still don't know what to do!
Keith goff
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From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson@centurylink.net>
Sent: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 15:52:17 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: throttle quadrant ideas
Yes sir it is on the right. I flew a Luscombe about 1600 hours.... stick in left
hand throttle on the right. Plus I am left handed and the stick "FITS" better
in the left. I sure had a lot of fun with that little guy. Picture taken in1970
I think.
--------
Jerry Dotson
First flight June 16,2012
Flying in phase 2
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 |
There's an ugly rumor that Dick Navrotil (and Skip, Jim, Art, Ben, myself and a
few others) will be building a couple of Sky Scout wings at the woodworking area.
If true, this will be the second year in a row that we HAVEN'T built a Pietenpol
fuselage. Have to do one next year just to stay in practice.
Stop by, introduce yourself, and lend a hand.
Dave Aldrich
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| Subject: | Re: throttle quadrant ideas |
It really doesn't matter. I fly my Cessna 170, with the yoke in my left hand,
throttle in the right - except when I instruct in it, in which case I'm sitting
in the right seat and everything's reversed. My Pietenpol has the stick on
the right and throttle on the left as has always been the standard for tandem
stick-equipped airplanes. It just doesn't matter and you very quickly get used
to whatever setup you happen to be flying. I'm building (slowly) an RV-10,
which will have the stick in the left hand and throttle in the right (if I'm sitting
in the left seat). Again, it just doesn't matter.
Just build it and go fly.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Sent: Sunday, February 1, 2015 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: throttle quadrant ideas
I,m glad to see this post. I've been trying to decide for months what side to put
my throttle on. I'm very left handed plus the Cessna and cherokee I fly are
yoke in the left hand and throttle in the right I don't know if I could land
using my right hand. But I don't want to build a plane no other Piet pilot could
fly. So really I still don't know what to do!
Keith goff
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From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson@centurylink.net>
Sent: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 15:52:17 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: throttle quadrant ideas
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Yes sir it is on the right. I flew a Luscombe about 1600 hours.... stick in left
hand throttle on the right. Plus I am left handed and the stick "FITS" better
in the left. I sure had a lot of fun with that little guy. Picture taken in1970
I think.
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Jerry Dotson
First flight June 16,2012
Flying in phase 2
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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After the Sun n Fun tornado, I can say that none of the Big Piets will be
there
Barry
NX973BP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tonyp51qa
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 8:25 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun 2015
Hello All,
I was wondering if the will be any "PIETS" or anything related to the
Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun 2015? I just moved here from Alaska at the end of
June and i'm planning to attend! I now live in Northern Alabama.
Tony
tonyp51qa@gmail.com
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Nor will I ever fly my Pietenpol to SNF again, for the same reason.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis
Sent: Sunday, February 1, 2015 1:25 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun 2015
After the Sun n Fun tornado, I can say that none of the Big Piets will be
there Barry NX973BP
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Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 8:25 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun 2015
Hello All,
I was wondering if the will be any "PIETS" or anything related to the
Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun 2015? I just moved here from Alaska at the end of
June and i'm planning to attend! I now live in Northern Alabama.
Tony
tonyp51qa@gmail.com
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Tony Crawford
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| Subject: | Re: throttle quadrant ideas |
Jerry mine will be throttle right stick left as yours. With a bunch of 140 time
I'm more comfortable with it.
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Jack Textor
> On Feb 1, 2015, at 9:52 AM, "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net> wrote:
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> Yes sir it is on the right. I flew a Luscombe about 1600 hours.... stick in left
hand throttle on the right. Plus I am left handed and the stick "FITS" better
in the left. I sure had a lot of fun with that little guy. Picture taken in1970
I think.
>
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> Jerry Dotson
>
> First flight June 16,2012
> Flying in phase 2
> Lycoming O-235 C2C
> Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: Defensive flying |
Gary;
So many lessons to learn from your video! Thanks for sharing it. For one thing,
that was absolutely brilliant thinking about pulling smoke as soon as you thought
you might not be noticed by the other guy. Even though you were almost
out of smoke oil, anything you can do to make your plane stand out in the pattern
is worth trying and you did it instantly, reflexively. Great thinking!
The other thing was initiating a go-around as soon as things got topsy-turvy on
short final in the 210's wake. I would have white-knuckled it on down, but you
did the right thing and without any noticeable hesitation. No scraped wingtips,
no bent gear, no harm done... just a saved landing, followed by a greaser
on the go-around. Good piloting judgment.
I was trying to figure out just how long your takeoff roll was, but can't see all
the runway markings from the video. You push in full power just about where
the threshold markings end, you pass the numbers, and you're off before you
get to the fixed distance marks so your takeoff roll looks to be 400-500 feet.
You did mention a headwind, but still... that's great and I'm sure it wasn't
a maximum effort takeoff.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: bent aileron horn |
Mine bent because I was trailering the fuselage with the tail first and a big 18-wheeler
passed me up and kicked the rudder over hard. It broke the plywood
strips that I was using as gust locks and when the rudder kicked over, the cable
that was in tension jerked the horn downwards pretty hard, kind of like Gary's
did.
If you plan on doing tail-slides in your Piet with your feet off the rudder bar,
you may want to beef up the horn ;o) Honestly, the horns as designed, if properly
fabricated, are pretty elegant in their simplicity, strength, and light
weight.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Defensive flying |
Thanks, Oscar! I thought about panicking...maybe next time! :-)
Don't know what others are in the habit of doing, but I have been leaving
the tail down on T/O and just letting her rise up when ready...when I'm
alone. With a heavy passenger, it seems much more controllable to get the
tail up, pick up speed and pull off when I feel it's right. That way there
is none of that mushing around for the first few seconds, at gross weight.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 12:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Defensive flying
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Gary;
So many lessons to learn from your video! Thanks for sharing it. For one
thing, that was absolutely brilliant thinking about pulling smoke as soon as
you thought you might not be noticed by the other guy. Even though you were
almost out of smoke oil, anything you can do to make your plane stand out in
the pattern is worth trying and you did it instantly, reflexively. Great
thinking!
The other thing was initiating a go-around as soon as things got topsy-turvy
on short final in the 210's wake. I would have white-knuckled it on down,
but you did the right thing and without any noticeable hesitation. No
scraped wingtips, no bent gear, no harm done... just a saved landing,
followed by a greaser on the go-around. Good piloting judgment.
I was trying to figure out just how long your takeoff roll was, but can't
see all the runway markings from the video. You push in full power just
about where the threshold markings end, you pass the numbers, and you're off
before you get to the fixed distance marks so your takeoff roll looks to be
400-500 feet. You did mention a headwind, but still... that's great and I'm
sure it wasn't a maximum effort takeoff.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 |
HI, Having never been to SNF, could someone give me an location where these
workshops are? I am not asking for step by step directions, just a general
idea of once I get there where do I go. Thank You! Also any recommendations
about places to stay while there.
Tony
On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Andre B. Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>
wrote:
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> There is always a group of Pietenpeople in the woodworking workshop at
> SNF. I flew mine there a few years ago, but now that I've crossed that off
> my bucket list I prefer my pop-up camper to the Aircamper. I believe John
> Hoffman said in an earlier post he would have a booth somewhere for the
> Brodhead Pietenpol Assn.
> Ben Charvet
> Titusville,Fl
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> tonyp51qa <tonyp51qa@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >Hello All,
> >I was wondering if the will be any "PIETS" or anything related to the
> Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun 2015? I just moved here from Alaska at the end of
> June and i'm planning to attend! I now live in Northern Alabama.
> >
> >Tony
> >
> >tonyp51qa@gmail.com
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 |
The workshops are real close to the main entrance. There should be a map on t
he website. Lots of people camp, it just depends on how long you are stayin
g. Rates for camping are on the website too.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 1, 2015, at 5:01 PM, Tony Crawford <tonyp51qa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> HI, Having never been to SNF, could someone give me an location where thes
e workshops are? I am not asking for step by step directions, just a general
idea of once I get there where do I go. Thank You! Also any recommendations
about places to stay while there.
>
> Tony
>
>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Andre B. Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com> w
rote:
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>> There is always a group of Pietenpeople in the woodworking workshop at SN
F. I flew mine there a few years ago, but now that I've crossed that off my b
ucket list I prefer my pop-up camper to the Aircamper. I believe John Hoffma
n said in an earlier post he would have a booth somewhere for the Brodhead P
ietenpol Assn.
>> Ben Charvet
>> Titusville,Fl
>>
>> tonyp51qa <tonyp51qa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >Hello All,
>> >I was wondering if the will be any "PIETS" or anything related to the Pi
etenpol at Sun-N-Fun 2015? I just moved here from Alaska at the end of June a
nd i'm planning to attend! I now live in Northern Alabama.
>> >
>> >Tony
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>> >tonyp51qa@gmail.com
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>> >Tony Crawford
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| Subject: | Re: Flight plan symbol |
Tools,
I AM planning to fly to Brodhead this year. I'd like to talk to you about it. How
about a phone conversation?
Mine Is 803-414-2235. Let's talk.
Jack
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> On Jan 31, 2015, at 9:20 AM, tools <n0kkj@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Jack,
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> Are you considering flying the Piet up to Brodhead? I did last year, and probably
will again this year. Mine is based just south of Chatt TN. Jeff Boatright
almost did, if we start to work on him now, might be able to twist his arm
enough to do it this year, then we'd have a squadron going up!
>
> It's a hell of a commitment to get one that far, and starting a plan now probably
isn't very much too early!
>
> Also, I'm hosting a weekend of playing around with machine tools I have just
south of Chatt from 26 Feb to 1 Mar. There's going to be half a dozen or more
Pietenpol guys there, you're more than welcome to come join us. There's a really
nice grass field about 5 miles from the place, very welcome to base out of
there. About 10 miles south is 9a5 which has self serve, indoor hangar space,
etc. Do a quick look through the threads on here about "toolstock" for details.
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| Subject: | Re: Defensive flying |
Gary,
You did a good job, and you make a good argument for a smoke system(and keeping
it full).
I've flown an ultralight to local airports even for a flight breakfast on occasion
and really watch traffic as I get close. Being slower than the other traffic
I fly a closer pattern and a lower one. I've had guys scoot in front of me
and make base and final doubting if they ever saw me.
Glad you heard them and at least tried to be seen.
With my very limited time in a Piet. I do my takeoffs like you. Let the tail come
up on its own...Seems more comfortable that way. My landings at times leave
a lot to be desired...Every other landing is pretty good [Embarassed]
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Defensive flying |
Thanks, Larry. My best landings have been with a little power...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Vetter
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 4:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Defensive flying
--> <vetter@evertek.net>
Gary,
You did a good job, and you make a good argument for a smoke system(and
keeping it full).
I've flown an ultralight to local airports even for a flight breakfast on
occasion and really watch traffic as I get close. Being slower than the
other traffic I fly a closer pattern and a lower one. I've had guys scoot in
front of me and make base and final doubting if they ever saw me.
Glad you heard them and at least tried to be seen.
With my very limited time in a Piet. I do my takeoffs like you. Let the
tail come up on its own...Seems more comfortable that way. My landings at
times leave a lot to be desired...Every other landing is pretty good
[Embarassed] Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Defensive flying |
Gary;
My training in taildraggers began a lot of years ago (1971) and always included
forward pressure on the stick to get the tail up as soon as possible, then neutral
stick, rolling on the mains till rotation speed was reached. This had been
instinctive with me until just recently, when I decided to try what everybody
else seemed to be doing with their Air Campers... "just let her roll and she'll
lift off when she's ready to fly". I was amazed at how nice the stick felt
when using that technique, instead of having to push forward against pretty
strong pressure intentionally. And sure enough, she flew when she was ready
to fly, and in what seemed to be the same amount of takeoff distance.
I will still use the aggressive stick-forward technique on soft fields or with
deep grass just to cut down on rolling resistance to get going, but on hard surface
it sure seems nicer to hold more or less neutral stick and just let the
airplane do what it likes to do.
Larry: my record with landings is about like yours, but maybe not quite so good.
Every third landing or so, turns out decent. The trouble is, sometimes I make
all three of those 'landings' on the same approach (bounce it a little when
I flare just a tad too high, add power to try to save it, bounce it again, chop
the power, then grin and wave to the disconcerted onlookers).
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 |
Dang it! I was hoping Dick and the others would finish up those wooden floats
and then put them on an Air Camper for testing. Now that would be sweet! Imagine
flying in to a little lake with no roads leading to it, unlimbering your
fly rod or spinning rig and hooking into some nice fish for a shore lunch. Air
Camping at its finest!
Hmmm... I wonder if Dick and the float builders thought about including some dry
wells down in one or two of the chambers in the floats for that cast iron skillet,
a simple little grill to sit on some rocks over the fire, and some utensils.
I'm so easy to please that I could just take some blackening spices, grill
the fillets, and make a simple sandwich by wrapping a piece of bread around
a grilled fillet and chow down.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 |
I agree with Barry. I will never fly my Piet down there. After the tornado the
officials just tore our planes apart to get them out of the way. A lot of my damage
was due to the clean up. Gsrdiner.
Sent from my iPad
> On Feb 1, 2015, at 1:24 PM, "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> After the Sun n Fun tornado, I can say that none of the Big Piets will be
> there
> Barry
> NX973BP
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>
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tonyp51qa
> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 8:25 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun 2015
>
>
> Hello All,
> I was wondering if the will be any "PIETS" or anything related to the
> Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun 2015? I just moved here from Alaska at the end of
> June and i'm planning to attend! I now live in Northern Alabama.
>
> Tony
>
> tonyp51qa@gmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Defensive flying |
Hi=C2-Gary, that is how I feel sometimes here at Santa Rosa with all the
jets.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 |
I am currently working on issues with the water rudders on my floats and I'm
not reedy to bring them down to SNF. That may be next years project, I
still have to work out the mounts. Or, I would prefer that we can build a
fuselage for someone else. If anyone wants to we can build a fuselage this
year. Please let me know
Dick N.
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From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 11:57 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015
> <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
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> There's an ugly rumor that Dick Navrotil (and Skip, Jim, Art, Ben, myself
> and a few others) will be building a couple of Sky Scout wings at the
> woodworking area. If true, this will be the second year in a row that we
> HAVEN'T built a Pietenpol fuselage. Have to do one next year just to stay
> in practice.
>
> Stop by, introduce yourself, and lend a hand.
>
> Dave Aldrich
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 |
Dick;
Not sure if you mean that you have not fitted water rudders yet, or that you have
some but they're not working out. In any case, note that there are some pretty
good ones out there that the ocean kayaks use. Lightweight, strong, and
retractable. Most ocean kayak rudders have quite a small area since they aren't
designed for sharp, tight turns- but it's easy to add a larger blade to the
stock rudder using some stainless hardware.
Thanks for taking on the project in the first place. I've heard people ask about
floats in the past, but you're the first that I know of who has actually undertaken
the task.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437949#437949
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 |
Hi Oscar
I have been looking for the kayak rudders but I've only found one pair and
they were very expensive. I'm thinking of building a couple. I'm working
on finishing my Corvair engine.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 11:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015
>
> Dick;
>
> Not sure if you mean that you have not fitted water rudders yet, or that
> you have some but they're not working out. In any case, note that there
> are some pretty good ones out there that the ocean kayaks use.
> Lightweight, strong, and retractable. Most ocean kayak rudders have quite
> a small area since they aren't designed for sharp, tight turns- but it's
> easy to add a larger blade to the stock rudder using some stainless
> hardware.
>
> Thanks for taking on the project in the first place. I've heard people
> ask about floats in the past, but you're the first that I know of who has
> actually undertaken the task.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437949#437949
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: throttle quadrant ideas |
Hmmm...kinda like playing a guitar and banjo. You pick up either one and automatically
play
the thing. No stumbling because of they're differences. Those differences set your
mind and
hands to play THAT instrument. I would say your mind will set itself to the plane
after
some time in it. The cockpits are different in a similar fashion.
Clif
It really doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter and you very quickly get used
to whatever setup you happen to be flying. Just build it and go fly.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: throttle quadrant ideas
I,m glad to see this post. I've been trying to decide for months what side to put
my throttle on.
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
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Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
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Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
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- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
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- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
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community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
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