---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/02/15: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:33 AM - Re: throttle quadrant ideas (nightmare) 2. 05:04 AM - Re: throttle quadrant ideas (jarheadpilot82) 3. 08:20 AM - Re: Re: bent aileron horn (Steven Dortch) 4. 08:40 AM - Re: Re: throttle quadrant ideas (Steven Dortch) 5. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: throttle quadrant ideas (Jack Philips) 6. 09:48 AM - see and be seen---another advantage of a smoke system (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 7. 10:16 AM - Re: see and be seen---another advantage of a smoke system (Steven Dortch) 8. 11:40 AM - Re: see and be seen---another advantage of a smoke system (gboothe5@comcast.net) 9. 12:20 PM - Re: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 (Steven Dortch) 10. 12:31 PM - Re: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 (Marcus Zechini) 11. 12:47 PM - Re: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 (Steven Dortch) 12. 02:00 PM - Re: throttle quadrant ideas (Jerry Dotson) 13. 03:19 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 (Bill Church) 14. 03:31 PM - Re: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 (Marcus Zechini) 15. 08:09 PM - Re: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 (Dick N) 16. 08:31 PM - Re: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner (John Letkeman) 17. 09:29 PM - Re: throttle quadrant ideas (taildrags) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:33:48 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: throttle quadrant ideas From: "nightmare" and just think about it. once you get used to it, youll be that much more ready to take over the helm of the A340 when the flight attendant asks over the P.A. "is there anyone on board who can fly with their left hand and throttle on the right?" and oh yea. CONGRATS PATS!!! lifelong fan -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437953#437953 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:04:12 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: throttle quadrant ideas From: "jarheadpilot82" To Jerry and Keith and any other "Lefties", I am about as left handed as they get. I was the kid that wrote back hand in class and got pencil lead all down the side of my left hand. But all Lefties know that we are the only ones in our "right minds"! FWIW, the first almost 20 years of flying was done either in tandem seat military trainers, helicopters or in the right seat of commercial jets as the First Officer. I actually found that flying with my right hand was easier, as it allowed me to do things like write down clearances or notes on my kneeboard with my left hand while flying with my right. Those poor "righties" would have to swap to their non-flying hand to write anything down. The last 15 years have been flying from the left seat (I fly every trip with my favorite Captain!) I worried a little bit about the transition when I started to check out as a Captain. The retraining of muscle memory took all of about an hour. It was not that hard. I plan on putting the throttle on the left as that is how the tandem seat aircraft I have flown or any single seat aircraft that I have ever seen have been set up that way. My $.02 -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437955#437955 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: bent aileron horn From: Steven Dortch Mine was bent when the wing was moved in storage. Apparently a sideways load, Like hte wing was dropped or it was shoved in. Not flight related. Blue Skies, Steve D On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 9:59 AM, wheelharp wrote: > > This might be a silly question, but why are these horns bending? Is it > just from excessive inputs, or something else. > > Corky...good to see you on here! I remembered you keeping us updated on > Chuck Gantzers progress on his '04 tour, and I even was able to catch up > with him and put him up overnight so I could pester him with a barrage of > Piet questions. > > Jon in Missouri > > -------- > Jon Jones > Ironton, MO > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437921#437921 > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:29 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: throttle quadrant ideas From: Steven Dortch Terry et al.I am Very right handed. My left hand is there simply to make me look symetrical. Early in my flight lessons in a Cessna 150 I was invited by an instructor to deliver a Cessna 182. I was in the right seat for a change and the instructor told me to take the plane. I protested that it was the wrong hand. He told me to take the controls and just don't think about it, Fly the plane. It worked! I even landed from the wrong seat. When I started in a Aeronca Champ, I was so tense and nervious about the tailwheel and a stick, and reaching behind me to put on the Carb heat, and not shoving the throttle forward too fast and flooding the engine, that I clamped the stick with a death grip and was breating so hard that I fogged up the inside of the cockpit! After the first several flights my right forearm was visibly pumped up from gripping the stick! My mentor took me up several times and allowed no take offs or landings and made me go just fly around with only two or three fingers on the stick, concentrating on stepping on the ball. He also covinced me that we rarely have to do more than two things at once. IE you throttle up and stay on the rudders. Or when you put on carb heat, that is the only thing you are doing. Don't try to think about everything at once. I just try not to think about the mechinaic and fly the plane.Not thinking is one of the things I do best. Putting the throttle on the right will be a theft deterrent to many pilots. Having a car with a manual transmission is a theft deterrent in today's society. Blue Skies, Steve D On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 7:03 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: > jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com> > > To Jerry and Keith and any other "Lefties", > > I am about as left handed as they get. I was the kid that wrote back hand > in class and got pencil lead all down the side of my left hand. But all > Lefties know that we are the only ones in our "right minds"! > > FWIW, the first almost 20 years of flying was done either in tandem seat > military trainers, helicopters or in the right seat of commercial jets as > the First Officer. I actually found that flying with my right hand was > easier, as it allowed me to do things like write down clearances or notes > on my kneeboard with my left hand while flying with my right. Those poor > "righties" would have to swap to their non-flying hand to write anything > down. > > The last 15 years have been flying from the left seat (I fly every trip > with my favorite Captain!) I worried a little bit about the transition when > I started to check out as a Captain. The retraining of muscle memory took > all of about an hour. It was not that hard. > > I plan on putting the throttle on the left as that is how the tandem seat > aircraft I have flown or any single seat aircraft that I have ever seen > have been set up that way. > > My $.02 > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437955#437955 > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:43:59 AM PST US From: "Jack Philips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: throttle quadrant ideas Putting the throttle on the right will be a theft deterrent to many pilots. Having a car with a manual transmission is a theft deterrent in today's society. Blue Skies, Steve D Heck, Steve =93 having a tailwheel and an engine that must be hand-propped is enough of a theft deterrent to most of today=99s pilots Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia Where it is 57 degrees, but with winds at 26 knots gusting to 35. No flying today! ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:48:40 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: see and be seen---another advantage of a smoke system Great topic and great video Gary Boothe. I'm so glad you saw that bonehe ad cut in tight on you and did a go-around when you ran into his wake turbulence. To me, Jack Phillips said it all right here but even before GPS and wiz-ban g glass panels NORDO airplanes at GA airports tend to get ignored unless yo u have some kind of fancy strobes or anti-collision lights or your wing catc hes a glint of the sun in a turn and the radio-equipped pilots in the patte rn see you. I completely use my smoke system (when I'm not using my Icom handheld) to a nnounce my presence in the pattern at my home airport and other airports. It really catches the eye of other pilots in the area and gives me a sense of hope that I'm more visible. They don't teach head-on-a-swivel much anymore and truthfully I have gotten VERY complacent in looking for traffic sometimes because of FUEL prices an d such little traffic at my home base. Good reminder Gary---glad everything ended well. I hope you were able to have a chat with that Cessna gent. Mike C. Ohio He was probably "Watching TV" on a glass panel. I've noticed that the more complex the avionics, the less often people look outside. There are sever al NORDO airplanes based at my field, and the Diamond and Cirrus pilots thi nk they should be banned from flying because they don't have transponders a nd don't show up on their TCAS. I respond that unless IMC prevails, all gl ass panels should go dark within 10 miles of the airport. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:16:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: see and be seen---another advantage of a smoke system From: Steven Dortch I learned to fly with a military flying club about 1990-91. One instructor was a WWII B25 vet. When you flew with him he looked like Stevie Wonder. His head rolled and bobbed and looked up constantly. he leaned forward and back looking around wings and struts and window posts constantly. He said during WWII he was always worried about a midair in the large formations, oh yeah, there were some ME109s he liked to see coming as well. He also pushed lifing a wing and looking before you turn in a direction. He also was a proponent of rolling the plane If the other pilot did not say he saw you in the pattern. Blue Skies, Steve D. BTW the most respected pilots on the Beechlist all bemoan the loss of outside situational awareness that is due to glass panels. Those with ADS-B out and in tell us how many planes that system misses. On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote: > Great topic and great video Gary Boothe. I=99m so glad you saw that > bonehead cut in tight on you and did a go-around when you ran into > > his wake turbulence. > > > To me, Jack Phillips said it all right here but even before GPS and > wiz-bang glass panels NORDO airplanes at GA airports tend to get ignored > unless you > > have some kind of fancy strobes or anti-collision lights or your wing > catches a glint of the sun in a turn and the radio-equipped pilots in the > pattern see > > you. > > > I completely use my smoke system (when I=99m not using my Icom hand held) to > announce my presence in the pattern at my home airport and other airports .. > > It really catches the eye of other pilots in the area and gives me a sens e > of hope that I=99m more visible. > > > They don=99t teach head-on-a-swivel much anymore and truthfully I h ave > gotten VERY complacent in looking for traffic sometimes because of FUEL > prices and > > such little traffic at my home base. Good reminder Gary---glad everythin g > ended well. I hope you were able to have a chat with that Cessna gent .. > > > Mike C. > > Ohio > > > *He was probably =9CWatching TV=9D on a glass panel. I =99ve noticed that the > more complex the avionics, the less often people look outside. There are > several NORDO airplanes based at my field, and the Diamond and Cirrus > pilots think they should be banned from flying because they don=99t have > transponders and don=99t show up on their TCAS. I respond that unl ess IMC > prevails, all glass panels should go dark within 10 miles of the airport. * > > > *Jack Phillips* > > *NX899JP* > > *Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia* > > > * > =========== .matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> =========== =========== om/contribution> =========== > > * > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:40:32 AM PST US From: gboothe5@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: see and be seen---another advantage of a smoke system Funny you mention strobes. 210 Pilot, "So...you only have a hand held (radi o)? ....no lights? ....no strobes? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D. Cuy (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Sent: Monday, February 2, 2015 9:48:14 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: see and be seen---another advantage of a smoke sys tem Great topic and great video Gary Boothe. I=99m so glad you saw that b onehead cut in tight on you and did a go-around when you ran into his wake turbulence. To me, Jack Phillips said it all right here but even before GPS and wiz-ban g glass panels NORDO airplanes at GA airports tend to get ignored unless yo u have some kind of fancy strobes or anti-collision lights or your wing catch es a glint of the sun in a turn and the radio-equipped pilots in the patter n see you. I completely use my smoke system (when I=99m not using my Icom handhe ld) to announce my presence in the pattern at my home airport and other air ports. It really catches the eye of other pilots in the area and gives me a sense of hope that I=99m more visible. They don=99t teach head-on-a-swivel much anymore and truthfully I hav e gotten VERY complacent in looking for traffic sometimes because of FUEL p rices and such little traffic at my home base. Good reminder Gary---glad everything e nded well. I hope you were able to have a chat with that Cessna gent. Mike C. Ohio He was probably =9CWatching TV=9D on a glass panel. I=99v e noticed that the more complex the avionics, the less often people look ou tside. There are several NORDO airplanes based at my field, and the Diamond and Cirrus pilots think they should be banned from flying because they don =99t have transponders and don=99t show up on their TCAS. I res pond that unless IMC prevails, all glass panels should go dark within 10 mi les of the airport. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia === ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:20:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 From: Steven Dortch One of the flying and Glider manuals has floats in it!. Blue Skies, Steve D On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 11:35 PM, taildrags wrote: > > Dick; > > Not sure if you mean that you have not fitted water rudders yet, or that > you have some but they're not working out. In any case, note that there > are some pretty good ones out there that the ocean kayaks use. > Lightweight, strong, and retractable. Most ocean kayak rudders have quite > a small area since they aren't designed for sharp, tight turns- but it's > easy to add a larger blade to the stock rudder using some stainless > hardware. > > Thanks for taking on the project in the first place. I've heard people > ask about floats in the past, but you're the first that I know of who has > actually undertaken the task. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437949#437949 > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:31:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 From: Marcus Zechini Did anyone get the float plans someone shared with the list? I did. They are slick-looking. I bought plans for a kayak & started, because similar construction to building a Piet. Www.Gentry custom boats.com The bulkheads I've cut look a bit like the float plan bulkheads. On Feb 2, 2015 3:25 PM, "Steven Dortch" wrote: > One of the flying and Glider manuals has floats in it!. > > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 11:35 PM, taildrags wrote: > >> >> Dick; >> >> Not sure if you mean that you have not fitted water rudders yet, or that >> you have some but they're not working out. In any case, note that there >> are some pretty good ones out there that the ocean kayaks use. >> Lightweight, strong, and retractable. Most ocean kayak rudders have quite >> a small area since they aren't designed for sharp, tight turns- but it's >> easy to add a larger blade to the stock rudder using some stainless >> hardware. >> >> Thanks for taking on the project in the first place. I've heard people >> ask about floats in the past, but you're the first that I know of who has >> actually undertaken the task. >> >> -------- >> Oscar Zuniga >> Medford, OR >> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" >> A75 power >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437949#437949 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> br> enpol-List" target="_blank"> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> FORUMS - >> _blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:47:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 From: Steven Dortch Somewhere I read about a 1940s or 1950s attempt at flying a piet with floats. I vaguely remember that they kept attaching the floats wrong. First the plane would not get up on the "step" and fly off the water. Then the floats were repositioned and the plane rolled over nose first into the water. I don't remember if it ever flew. But I am pretty sure I have seen floats on Piets. Blue Skies, Steve D On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 11:58 PM, Dick N wrote: > > Hi Oscar > I have been looking for the kayak rudders but I've only found one pair and > they were very expensive. I'm thinking of building a couple. I'm working > on finishing my Corvair engine. > Dick > ----- Original Message ----- From: "taildrags" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 11:35 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 > > >> >> Dick; >> >> Not sure if you mean that you have not fitted water rudders yet, or that >> you have some but they're not working out. In any case, note that there >> are some pretty good ones out there that the ocean kayaks use. Lightweight, >> strong, and retractable. Most ocean kayak rudders have quite a small area >> since they aren't designed for sharp, tight turns- but it's easy to add a >> larger blade to the stock rudder using some stainless hardware. >> >> Thanks for taking on the project in the first place. I've heard people >> ask about floats in the past, but you're the first that I know of who has >> actually undertaken the task. >> >> -------- >> Oscar Zuniga >> Medford, OR >> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" >> A75 power >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437949#437949 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:00:35 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: throttle quadrant ideas From: "Jerry Dotson" Jack wind is the same here and 51 for a high. -------- Jerry Dotson First flight June 16,2012 Flying in phase 2 Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437986#437986 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 From: "Bill Church" Here's an old thread about Piets on floats: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=61580&sid2d7fbccf7ad125864775190929fd90 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437991#437991 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:45 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 From: Marcus Zechini Could the wings be clipped J-3? I understand that original Grega was clipped J-3, which is what I have. I am just looking at aileron percentage of span. On Feb 2, 2015 6:21 PM, "Bill Church" wrote: > billspiet@sympatico.ca> > > Here's an old thread about Piets on floats: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=61580&sid2d7fbccf7ad125864775190929fd90 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437991#437991 > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:06 PM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 Steve I am building the Muk Tuk floats. They are current technology. I looked at the Flying Glider manual and thought about it for a couple of seconds, but that was that. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Dortch To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 2:20 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 One of the flying and Glider manuals has floats in it!. Blue Skies, Steve D On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 11:35 PM, taildrags wrote: Dick; Not sure if you mean that you have not fitted water rudders yet, or that you have some but they're not working out. In any case, note that there are some pretty good ones out there that the ocean kayaks use. Lightweight, strong, and retractable. Most ocean kayak rudders have quite a small area since they aren't designed for sharp, tight turns- but it's easy to add a larger blade to the stock rudder using some stainless hardware. Thanks for taking on the project in the first place. I've heard people ask about floats in the past, but you're the first that I know of who has actually undertaken the task. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437949#437949 ========== br> enpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== FORUMS - _blank">http://forums.matronics.com ========== b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:40 PM PST US From: John Letkeman Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner Thanks Steve! I may take you up on that, I could just jump in a rental car, do you have any pictures of your Piet on this forum? John Sent from my iPad On Feb 1, 2015, at 9:09 AM, Steven Dortch > wrote: Yes, I am smack dab in the middle. I live on Fort Sam Houston. with some warning I could haul you out to look over my project. Note it tak es 40 min to get there from almost any airport. Steve D On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 8:56 AM, John Letkeman > wrote: 90% done 50% to go! So true! I have spent a lot of time measuring parts and looking at the plans already! Are you in the San Antonio area? I fly my boss there occasionally. John Sent from my iPad On Jan 31, 2015, at 10:10 PM, Steven Dortch > wrote: John, It looks 90% complete. That means there is only 50% to go! Seriously, Don't be surprised if you spend some time figuring out why or ho w the last builder did something. I spend a lot of time doing just that. If you can't find a local Pietenpol or even (Heaven forbid) Grega, look aro und for someone who has built a Bowers Flybaby. While very different in man y ways (low wing, single seat), there are a lot of building similarities (W ood frame, cloth, A65) One of my problem solving mentors built a fly baby. He is full of informati on. He also gets me to simplify my sometimes overly complex thoughts. IE, " Rather than custom machining a mount, why don't you just burn a hole in the fabric and turn the bolt around!" "Use one long screw instead of two short ones." He really wants me to get my plane flying because, "no one else fl ies as slow as I do." Oscar also helped me by getting me to write down everything I thought I wan ted to do. Then he had me do a shorter list of everything that had to be do ne to fly safely. Work off of that list first, then later you can add bells and whistles (or guns and bombs and smoke, and horns that play songs) Blue Skies, Steve D On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 3:40 PM, John Letkeman > wrote: :pilot@fehrs.com>> Oscar, Although I've been flying for 15 years, I'm pretty new to experimental airc raft, I've been interested in the Pietenpol for as long as I've been flying, I ne ed too research the FAR's And find out what the steps are too getting N-# and airworthiness certifica te, I'm ok with not getting repairman certificate, is Raymond Hanover on th is forum? I would like too visit with him, He's only about a two hour flight in the C170. Thanks John Sent from my iPad > On Jan 30, 2015, at 6:38 AM, taildrags > wrote: > mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com>> > > John; there's nothing wrong with you being the builder... the FARs just s ay that the airplane has be be amateur-built but it doesn't say you have to be the only builder. My Piet and most others have been through several ha nds before being completed by the second, third, or more builders. What yo u're probably saying is that you probably will not qualify to get the repai rman's certificate for it. That would permit you to do your own condition inspections on it, and for that you have to convince your DAR that you've d one enough of the work on it that you're so familiar with it that you can i nspect it. With the wings and fuselage covered and painted, I don't think you have much hope of getting that cert. > > You do have a nearby neighbor (nearby, if measured by Texas standards)- R aymond Hanover is up in Skellytown and is in test flights with his Corvair- powered GN-1. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437857#437857 > > br> enpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pieten pol-List FORUMS - _blank">http://forums.matronics.com b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Blue Skies, Steve D ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ics.com .matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:29:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: throttle quadrant ideas From: "taildrags" Like most others who have chimed in here, I find very little issue or problem with flying right hand on stick/left hand on throttle, or vice-versa. I don't even think about it. Years of flying C-150/152/172/182/206/Mooney/PA-whatever all came very natural with yoke in left hand and throttle in right, but I started out in a J-3 and never felt like something was wrong when in a Champ, Cub, or anything else (including Piet) with the other setup. I like what I have now (throttle on left, stick in right hand) and I want to be buried that way, but I can assure you that it won't take long to adapt to either setup. Jerry, as a side note to you, my very first airplane ride in my life was when I was maybe 8 or 9 years old. I sat next to Wally Carson, the GMAC insurance agent at my grandfather's Chevrolet dealership in Laredo, Texas... in his Luscombe. I will never, ever forget the sensation of the airplane lifting off the ground and then me looking out the window to look at the starboard side tire as it stopped spinning after it broke free of the pavement and with Laredo Municipal Airport melting away below us. Imagine my wonder as the twin cities of Laredo Texas and Nuevo Laredo, Tamaulipas, Mexico began to spread out before me in the windscreen, with the Rio Grande river twisting and winding between them. I never knew what things looked like from the air and it was incredible. Believe it or not, I have never been back up in a Luscombe since that day in about 1960, and all I've ever heard about them is that they are squirrelly on the ground. Try to tell that to my heart, which has a very special place in it from that warm summer day when flying became a reality to a young boy who had only been able to look at airplanes from the ground until that day. Just hearing or seeing "Luscombe" means something completely different to me than it does to most people, including pilots. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438001#438001 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.