Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Tue 02/03/15


Total Messages Posted: 27



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 05:42 AM - Re: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner (Steven Dortch)
     2. 07:06 AM - Propping planes, WARNING (AircamperN11MS)
     3. 07:31 AM - Re: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 (Steven Dortch)
     4. 07:42 AM - Re: Propping planes, WARNING (Jack Philips)
     5. 07:50 AM - Re: Propping planes, WARNING (Marcus Zechini)
     6. 07:52 AM - Re: Propping planes, WARNING (AircamperN11MS)
     7. 08:21 AM - Re: Propping planes, WARNING (Steven Dortch)
     8. 08:29 AM - hot ignition system, propping  (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
     9. 08:35 AM - Re: Propping planes, WARNING (AircamperN11MS)
    10. 08:45 AM - Re: Re: Propping planes, WARNING (Kip Gmail)
    11. 08:58 AM - Re: Propping planes, WARNING (tkreiner)
    12. 08:59 AM - Re: hot ignition system, propping (AircamperN11MS)
    13. 09:05 AM - Re: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 (Dick N)
    14. 10:14 AM - Re: Re: Propping planes, WARNING (Steven Dortch)
    15. 01:01 PM - Cold Weather Piet (Bill Church)
    16. 01:33 PM - Re: Cold Weather Piet (Gary Boothe)
    17. 01:50 PM - Re: Cold Weather Piet (Robert Gow)
    18. 02:19 PM - Re: Cold Weather Piet (AircamperN11MS)
    19. 02:39 PM - Re: Cold Weather Piet (tools)
    20. 02:53 PM - Re: Propping planes, WARNING (tools)
    21. 03:17 PM - flooded starts---, WARNING (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
    22. 03:43 PM - Re: Re: Propping planes, WARNING (Dick N)
    23. 05:16 PM - Re: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner (John Letkeman)
    24. 06:26 PM - Re: flooded starts---, WARNING (tools)
    25. 06:28 PM - Re: Propping planes, WARNING (tools)
    26. 06:36 PM - Re: Re: Cold Weather Piet (Steven Dortch)
    27. 07:08 PM - Re: Cold Weather Piet (Ray Krause)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:42:54 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner
    From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
    John, No need for a rental car. I live about 10 min from both San Antonio International and Stinson (the GA reliever, and second oldest General Aviation airport in the US, est 1915) From either of these it is 40 min to San Geronimo where my plane is. I will haul you around, I just mentioned it for planning purposes. I work until about 3PM most weekdays. Give me some forwarning and I will let you see my project. PS I have heard that "Der Faker Fokker" a highly modified Piet is at the Air museum at Stinson. On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 10:31 PM, John Letkeman <pilot@fehrs.com> wrote: > Thanks Steve! I may take you up on that, I could just jump in a rental > car, do you have any pictures of your Piet on this forum? > John > > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 1, 2015, at 9:09 AM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Yes, I am smack dab in the middle. I live on Fort Sam Houston. > > with some warning I could haul you out to look over my project. Note it > takes 40 min to get there from almost any airport. > > Steve D > > On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 8:56 AM, John Letkeman <pilot@fehrs.com> wrote: > >> 90% done 50% to go! So true! I have spent a lot of time measuring parts >> and looking at the plans already! >> Are you in the San Antonio area? I fly my boss there occasionally. >> John >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jan 31, 2015, at 10:10 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> John, It looks 90% complete. That means there is only 50% to go! >> >> Seriously, Don't be surprised if you spend some time figuring out why >> or how the last builder did something. I spend a lot of time doing just >> that. >> >> If you can't find a local Pietenpol or even (Heaven forbid) Grega, look >> around for someone who has built a Bowers Flybaby. While very different in >> many ways (low wing, single seat), there are a lot of building similarities >> (Wood frame, cloth, A65) >> >> One of my problem solving mentors built a fly baby. He is full of >> information. He also gets me to simplify my sometimes overly complex >> thoughts. IE, "Rather than custom machining a mount, why don't you just >> burn a hole in the fabric and turn the bolt around!" "Use one long screw >> instead of two short ones." He really wants me to get my plane flying >> because, "no one else flies as slow as I do." >> >> Oscar also helped me by getting me to write down everything I thought I >> wanted to do. Then he had me do a shorter list of everything that had to be >> done to fly safely. Work off of that list first, then later you can add >> bells and whistles (or guns and bombs and smoke, and horns that play songs) >> >> Blue Skies, >> Steve D >> >> On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 3:40 PM, John Letkeman <pilot@fehrs.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> Oscar, >>> Although I've been flying for 15 years, I'm pretty new to experimental >>> aircraft, >>> I've been interested in the Pietenpol for as long as I've been flying, I >>> need too research the FAR's >>> And find out what the steps are too getting N-# and airworthiness >>> certificate, I'm ok with not getting repairman certificate, is Raymond >>> Hanover on this forum? I would like too visit with him, >>> He's only about a two hour flight in the C170. >>> Thanks >>> John >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> > On Jan 30, 2015, at 6:38 AM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> taildrags@hotmail.com> >>> > >>> > John; there's nothing wrong with you being the builder... the FARs >>> just say that the airplane has be be amateur-built but it doesn't say you >>> have to be the only builder. My Piet and most others have been through >>> several hands before being completed by the second, third, or more >>> builders. What you're probably saying is that you probably will not >>> qualify to get the repairman's certificate for it. That would permit you >>> to do your own condition inspections on it, and for that you have to >>> convince your DAR that you've done enough of the work on it that you're so >>> familiar with it that you can inspect it. With the wings and fuselage >>> covered and painted, I don't think you have much hope of getting that cert. >>> > >>> > You do have a nearby neighbor (nearby, if measured by Texas >>> standards)- Raymond Hanover is up in Skellytown and is in test flights with >>> his Corvair-powered GN-1. >>> > >>> > -------- >>> > Oscar Zuniga >>> > Medford, OR >>> > Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; >>> > A75 power >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Read this topic online here: >>> > >>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437857#437857 >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> ========== >>> br> enpol-List" target="_blank"> >>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>> ========== >>> FORUMS - >>> _blank">http://forums.matronics.com >>> ========== >>> b Site - >>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >>> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> ========== >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Blue Skies, >> Steve D >> >> * >> >> ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> >> ics.com <http://ics.com> >> .matronics.com/contribution <http://matronics.com/contribution> >> >> * >> >> * >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> >> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com> >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> >> >> * >> >> > > > -- > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > * > > ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> > ics.com <http://ics.com> > .matronics.com/contribution <http://matronics.com/contribution> > > * > > * > > > * > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D


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    Time: 07:06:11 AM PST US
    Subject: Propping planes, WARNING
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    Hello Fellow Pieters, I wanted to share an experience I had yesterday. Just a reminder to all who touch propellers whether they are propping the plane or not. A friend of mine who flys a Thorp T 18 was in the area and his plane was parked at my airport over the whole weekend. He does this a lot. Anyway, The battery was low due to the cold outside air temperatures all weekend. He managed to flood the engine while trying to start it. The engine was turning very slowly. So I asked if he would like me to pull it through several blades to clear the flooding before he tried to start it again. He said sure, please do. Oh yea, It has a metal prop hanging on an 0-360, 180HP and the nose of the plane is very low to the ground. Nough of that, OK, Switch off, throttle closed, mixture lean, master off, and a push on the plane to see if the brakes are holding. All was confirmed by the pilot. When I pulled through the 5th blade the engine started and ran for about 10 seconds then ran out of gas. It sure surprised the pilot. In fact, it scared him. It didn't scare me. I have had this happen to me more than one other time. I always assume that the engine will start anytime I put my hands on a blade. It can folks. I managed to talk the pilot into pushing the plane to my hangar so we can charge the battery and try to figure out why a mag was hot. Long story short. His mag switch was bad, (very bad). When the switch was in the both position, both mags were hot (good). When the switch was On the left mag, both mags were hot (not good). When the switch was on the right mag, the right mag was hot and the left mag was off (good). When the switch was in the off position, the right mag was still hot and the left mag was off (Very bad). This was why the plane started. Conclusion, I gave him a tip that I use before shut down. I will momentarily switch the mags to the off position to verify that the engine quits, then turn it back to the both position so the engine keeps running. Then I will shut down with the mixture control. If you have a problem with the mags not shutting off, this will tell you and you can get it fixed before someone gets hurt. We put the cowl back on and he flew home. He said he will be ordering a new switch from Spruce as soon as he got home. Be careful and prepared around all props everyone. Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438007#438007


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    Time: 07:31:56 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015
    From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
    Dick, are the Muk Tuks amphib or float? What will your empty weight go to? You know you get more weight allowance for LSA! 1,430 lbs for seaplanes! Be careful about exceeing VNE! 1930s air speed record setters were mostly float planes. While the floats were heavier they are much more aerodynamic. High HP engines and tiny fast wings liked having really long takeoff runs on water at a time when there were few long runways. I can hardly wait to see your duck fly. Blue Skies, Steve D On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 10:08 PM, Dick N <horzpool@goldengate.net> wrote: > Steve > I am building the Muk Tuk floats. They are current technology. I looked > at the Flying Glider manual and thought about it for a couple of seconds, > but that was that. > Dick N. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com> > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Monday, February 02, 2015 2:20 PM > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 > > One of the flying and Glider manuals has floats in it!. > > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 11:35 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Dick; >> >> Not sure if you mean that you have not fitted water rudders yet, or that >> you have some but they're not working out. In any case, note that there >> are some pretty good ones out there that the ocean kayaks use. >> Lightweight, strong, and retractable. Most ocean kayak rudders have quite >> a small area since they aren't designed for sharp, tight turns- but it's >> easy to add a larger blade to the stock rudder using some stainless >> hardware. >> >> Thanks for taking on the project in the first place. I've heard people >> ask about floats in the past, but you're the first that I know of who has >> actually undertaken the task. >> >> -------- >> Oscar Zuniga >> Medford, OR >> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" >> A75 power >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437949#437949 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> br> enpol-List" target="_blank"> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> FORUMS - >> _blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> > href="http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>">http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com> > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/contribution>">http://www.matronics.com/c <http://www.matronics.com/c> > * > > * > > > * > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D


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    Time: 07:42:02 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Philips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
    Subject: Propping planes, WARNING
    Thanks for posting, Scott. Sounds like he might have just wired the switch incorrectly. Hopefully the new switch will have a wiring diagram with it so he can wire it properly. I'm always amazed by the number of PILOTS who will walk up to my plane in the hangar and wiggle the prop. I always fuss at them, telling them they sure trust me to have the mags wired correctly and the p-leads intact. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AircamperN11MS Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2015 10:06 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Propping planes, WARNING --> <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> Hello Fellow Pieters, I wanted to share an experience I had yesterday. Just a reminder to all who touch propellers whether they are propping the plane or not. A friend of mine who flys a Thorp T 18 was in the area and his plane was parked at my airport over the whole weekend. He does this a lot. Anyway, The battery was low due to the cold outside air temperatures all weekend. He managed to flood the engine while trying to start it. The engine was turning very slowly. So I asked if he would like me to pull it through several blades to clear the flooding before he tried to start it again. He said sure, please do. Oh yea, It has a metal prop hanging on an 0-360, 180HP and the nose of the plane is very low to the ground. Nough of that, OK, Switch off, throttle closed, mixture lean, master off, and a push on the plane to see if the brakes are holding. All was confirmed by the pilot. When I pulled through the 5th blade the engine started and ran for about 10 seconds then ran out of gas. It sure surprised the pilot. In fact, it scared him. It didn't scare me. I have had this happen to me more than one other time. I always assume that the engine will start anytime I put my hands on a blade. It can folks. I managed to talk the pilot into pushing the plane to my hangar so we can charge the battery and try to figure out why a mag was hot. Long story short. His mag switch was bad, (very bad). When the switch was in the both position, both mags were hot (good). When the switch was On the left mag, both mags were hot (not good). When the switch was on the right mag, the right mag was hot and the left mag was off (good). When the switch was in the off position, the right mag was still hot and the left mag was off (Very bad). This was why the plane started. Conclusion, I gave him a tip that I use before shut down. I will momentarily switch the mags to the off position to verify that the engine quits, then turn it back to the both position so the engine keeps running. Then I will shut down with the mixture control. If you have a problem with the mags not shutting off, this will tell you and you can get it fixed before someone gets hurt. We put the cowl back on and he flew home. He said he will be ordering a new switch from Spruce as soon as he got home. Be careful and prepared around all props everyone. Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438007#438007


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    Time: 07:50:52 AM PST US
    Subject: Propping planes, WARNING
    From: Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini@gmail.com>
    My mag switch is an old A7 (from a T-6, maybe). Just before last annual, it was not grounding mags when I tried to stop the engine. Yes, it can happen, easy. I always consider them hot. On Feb 3, 2015 10:45 AM, "Jack Philips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com> wrote: > jack@bedfordlandings.com> > > Thanks for posting, Scott. > > Sounds like he might have just wired the switch incorrectly. Hopefully the > new switch will have a wiring diagram with it so he can wire it properly. > > I'm always amazed by the number of PILOTS who will walk up to my plane in > the hangar and wiggle the prop. I always fuss at them, telling them they > sure trust me to have the mags wired correctly and the p-leads intact. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > AircamperN11MS > Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2015 10:06 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Propping planes, WARNING > > --> <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> > > Hello Fellow Pieters, > > I wanted to share an experience I had yesterday. Just a reminder to all > who > touch propellers whether they are propping the plane or not. > > A friend of mine who flys a Thorp T 18 was in the area and his plane was > parked at my airport over the whole weekend. He does this a lot. Anyway, > The battery was low due to the cold outside air temperatures all weekend. > He managed to flood the engine while trying to start it. The engine was > turning very slowly. So I asked if he would like me to pull it through > several blades to clear the flooding before he tried to start it again. He > said sure, please do. Oh yea, It has a metal prop hanging on an 0-360, > 180HP and the nose of the plane is very low to the ground. Nough of that, > OK, Switch off, throttle closed, mixture lean, master off, and a push on > the > plane to see if the brakes are holding. All was confirmed by the pilot. > > When I pulled through the 5th blade the engine started and ran for about 10 > seconds then ran out of gas. It sure surprised the pilot. In fact, it > scared him. It didn't scare me. I have had this happen to me more than > one > other time. I always assume that the engine will start anytime I put my > hands on a blade. It can folks. > > I managed to talk the pilot into pushing the plane to my hangar so we can > charge the battery and try to figure out why a mag was hot. Long story > short. His mag switch was bad, (very bad). When the switch was in the > both > position, both mags were hot (good). When the switch was On the left mag, > both mags were hot (not good). When the switch was on the right mag, the > right mag was hot and the left mag was off (good). When the switch was in > the off position, the right mag was still hot and the left mag was off > (Very > bad). This was why the plane started. > > Conclusion, > I gave him a tip that I use before shut down. I will momentarily switch > the > mags to the off position to verify that the engine quits, then turn it back > to the both position so the engine keeps running. Then I will shut down > with the mixture control. If you have a problem with the mags not shutting > off, this will tell you and you can get it fixed before someone gets hurt. > We put the cowl back on and he flew home. He said he will be ordering a > new > switch from Spruce as soon as he got home. > > Be careful and prepared around all props everyone. > > Cheers, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438007#438007 > >


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    Time: 07:52:16 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Propping planes, WARNING
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    Jack, The mags were wired correctly. The plane and the switch are 35 years old. In fact, the switch would not even return from the start position on its own. You have to return it to the both position. It was just flat worn out. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438011#438011


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    Time: 08:21:12 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Propping planes, WARNING
    From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
    Scott, when I started reading your email my heart rate increased. I am sure glad you were smart and diligent. I have been around two accidents involving touching a prop. None life or limb threatening, both caused significant damage. 1. Old Fellow was loading his Tripacer and somehow bumped the mag switch to on and pushed the throttle in. He then went around front to turn the prop to "Prime the Oil pump." When he turned the prop, it started! and went to High RPM. He dove out of the way, and the Tripacer started taxing and he grabbed a strut. The plane turned and hit a Cessna 182 with 3 people in it. The wing looked like JAWS had taken a bite out of it and, praise God, The prop stopped when it hit the cockpit.. Turns out the 182 pilot had been trained by the Tripacer pilot. Tripacer pilot was one of the very respected pilots in the area. 2. Several years later, different aiport but the same respected pilot now has a minicoupe (single seat, metal, low wing, VW engine). He walks around front to turn the prop to prime the engine. When he touches the prop, IT FIRES and goes to full throttle. He dives out of the way, the plane accellerates down the runway but about 20 degrees off runway heading. It lifts off but does not clear the barbed wire (BOB war in West Texas) and crashes on the railroad tracks. We all ran over and drug the plane off the tracks. He quit flying. Too bad he was a great guy and really a good pilot in other ways. Rules about hand propping: I learned from the Fort Eustis and Langely AFB flying clubs: All Club members MUST take the handprop class before handpropping anything. A 15 min class on the Piper cub. Treat all props as HOT, All the time. Touch them in such a way that you are out of the way WHEN it fires. Don't handprop a plane that has a starter. Get it fixed! Make sure the mags are off if you are just turning the prop. Touch it like it is a rattlesnake and will bite you. Just wrap the tips of your fingers around the blade. Don't grip it. Don't wear loose floppy clothes that can catch in the prop. Nothing in your shirt pocket that might fall out. It is best to take your hat, and sunglasses off and put them in the plane. Tf someone is in the plane, and they say the plane is "COLD" then both hands should be visible before you touch the prop. Still treat the prop like it is HOT! Only a pilot should touch the controls, NEVER a non pilot. Beware leaving a nonpilot in the plane while you prop.They WILL touch something you don't want them to. Chock and tie the plane down. When you start handpropping, all motions should move your body away from the prop. You should be backing away from the prop when it spins. These are not in order, but I always consider them. Blue Skies, Steve D


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    Time: 08:29:49 AM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: hot ignition system, propping
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    Time: 08:35:16 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Propping planes, WARNING
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    Steve, When I was a kid I saw a guy loose his arm while propping a small homebuilt. I guess the image has stuck with me. All your points should be taken seriously by all pilots. If you are not properly trained, then stay away from the big nasty man eating propeller. Rattlesnake? Yes. I just wanted to share the story. I didn't mean to raise your heart rate but maybe that's a good thing. I wanted to just remind folks that what we do can bite you if you are not prepared. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438015#438015


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    Time: 08:45:28 AM PST US
    From: Kip Gmail <kipgohio1957@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Propping planes, WARNING
    I treat props the way I treat chain saws - they should always be treated as dangerous as soon as someone puts their hands on them. Kip Gardner On Feb 3, 2015, at 11:35 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > > > > Steve, > > When I was a kid I saw a guy loose his arm while propping a small > homebuilt. I guess the image has stuck with me. All your points > should be taken seriously by all pilots. If you are not properly > trained, then stay away from the big nasty man eating propeller. > > Rattlesnake? Yes. > > I just wanted to share the story. I didn't mean to raise your heart > rate but maybe that's a good thing. I wanted to just remind folks > that what we do can bite you if you are not prepared. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438015#438015 > >


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    Time: 08:58:39 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Propping planes, WARNING
    From: "tkreiner" <tkreiner@gmail.com>
    First lesson I learned when my Dad took me to airport for my first flight - maybe I was around 6 or 7. As we approached the plane, my Dad said, "Never touch a prop." When I asked him why, the answer was, "The engine might start, and you can get hurt bad or killed." I've told exactly this to my own children, and to non-pilots when I take them to the field. We should all do the same... Thanks for the reminder! -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438017#438017


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    Time: 08:59:05 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: hot ignition system, propping
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    Thanks Mike, Funny thing, When doing the mag check there was no drop on the left and 150 drop on the right. One would think that the left mag was in really great shape with no drop. But to my surprise the right mag was still running in the left position. Hence, no mag drop. I always seem to learn something when at the airport. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438018#438018


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    Time: 09:05:22 AM PST US
    From: "Dick N" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
    Subject: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015
    They are simple Floats, no idea about empty weight. When it's all done I will bring it to SNF on Fuse. with wings. Thanks for the info, I did know about the weight thing. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Dortch To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 9:30 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 Dick, are the Muk Tuks amphib or float? What will your empty weight go to? You know you get more weight allowance for LSA! 1,430 lbs for seaplanes! Be careful about exceeing VNE! 1930s air speed record setters were mostly float planes. While the floats were heavier they are much more aerodynamic. High HP engines and tiny fast wings liked having really long takeoff runs on water at a time when there were few long runways. I can hardly wait to see your duck fly. Blue Skies, Steve D On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 10:08 PM, Dick N <horzpool@goldengate.net> wrote: Steve I am building the Muk Tuk floats. They are current technology. I looked at the Flying Glider manual and thought about it for a couple of seconds, but that was that. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Dortch To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 2:20 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 One of the flying and Glider manuals has floats in it!. Blue Skies, Steve D On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 11:35 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote: <taildrags@hotmail.com> Dick; Not sure if you mean that you have not fitted water rudders yet, or that you have some but they're not working out. In any case, note that there are some pretty good ones out there that the ocean kayaks use. Lightweight, strong, and retractable. Most ocean kayak rudders have quite a small area since they aren't designed for sharp, tight turns- but it's easy to add a larger blade to the stock rudder using some stainless hardware. Thanks for taking on the project in the first place. I've heard people ask about floats in the past, but you're the first that I know of who has actually undertaken the task. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437949#437949 ========== br> enpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== FORUMS - _blank">http://forums.matronics.com ========== b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Blue Skies, Steve D href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Blue Skies, Steve D


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    Time: 10:14:26 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Propping planes, WARNING
    From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
    My kids hear the same thing. Also as a Skydiver we never let anyone go in front of the Wing. When I take people out to a plane, I tell them they will be safe if they don't go in front of the wing. Oh and never touch the prop. One additonal thing. The idea of taking your hat off. People have their hats blow off and go into the prop. Instinctively they reach for it! Not a good idea. Blue Skies, Steve D On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 10:58 AM, tkreiner <tkreiner@gmail.com> wrote: > > First lesson I learned when my Dad took me to airport for my first flight > - maybe I was around 6 or 7. > > As we approached the plane, my Dad said, "Never touch a prop." > > When I asked him why, the answer was, "The engine might start, and you can > get hurt bad or killed." > > I've told exactly this to my own children, and to non-pilots when I take > them to the field. > > We should all do the same... > > Thanks for the reminder! > > -------- > Tom Kreiner > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438017#438017 > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D


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    Time: 01:01:28 PM PST US
    Subject: Cold Weather Piet
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    Ever wondered what a Pietenpol might look like with an enclosed canopy? There's one listed on Kijiji for sale in Nova Scotia: http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-other/city-of-halifax/aircraft/1045355367?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438025#438025 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_canopy_985.jpg


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    Time: 01:33:10 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Cold Weather Piet
    They need bigger rudders in Nova Scotia. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 1:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cold Weather Piet --> <billspiet@sympatico.ca> Ever wondered what a Pietenpol might look like with an enclosed canopy? There's one listed on Kijiji for sale in Nova Scotia: http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-other/city-of-halifax/aircraft/1045355367?enable SearchNavigationFlag=true Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438025#438025 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_canopy_985.jpg


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    Time: 01:50:19 PM PST US
    From: Robert Gow <rgow@avionicsdesign.ca>
    Subject: Cold Weather Piet
    I always wondered how a cabin version of the piet would look. Like a Robin perhaps. Robert Gow, President and DAO Manager. Avionics Design Services Ltd. Phn 705-527-6095 Cell 416-434-3393 Fax 705-527-6028 www.avionicsdesign.ca <http://www.avionicsdesign.ca/> -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: February 3, 2015 4:33 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cold Weather Piet --> <gboothe5@comcast.net> They need bigger rudders in Nova Scotia. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 1:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cold Weather Piet --> <billspiet@sympatico.ca> Ever wondered what a Pietenpol might look like with an enclosed canopy? There's one listed on Kijiji for sale in Nova Scotia: http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-other/city-of-halifax/aircraft/1045355367?enab le SearchNavigationFlag=true Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438025#438025 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_canopy_985.jpg


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    Time: 02:19:04 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Cold Weather Piet
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    Yep, looks like a big rudder Gary. I think it could be classified as a flipper cause it is apparently cold and wet up there. How do you get into the thing. I don't see any slides on the rear canopy, and the front??? Maybe you remove it then put it back on after you get the victim loaded. I mean passenger. Any guesses anyone???????????? -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438029#438029


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    Time: 02:39:10 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Cold Weather Piet
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    I always thought enclosing open cockpit airplanes was just plane dumb... until I got an open cockpit airplane! Still probably not for me, but I get it now. My guess is they flip to the side. The front one couldn't slide anyway. Given the curvature, and where the pivot would be, don't think it would get taller as it flips over, so should work up under the wing even though there isn't much clearance. Would be easy to remove for nice weather as well. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438030#438030


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    Time: 02:53:58 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Propping planes, WARNING
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    So there I was.... Just a few weeks ago, haven't been up in the Piet in a couple months. It was cold, so wasn't planning on going flying, thought I'd start it up, warm up the oil, etc. Not in a hurry, no onlookers distracting me. Just wanted to blow out some cobwebs, which I could do right in the hangar, where it was (thankfully...) tied down three points. Check throttle back, carb heat off, switches off. Pull it through ten or so times, give it time to gas off in the cylinders. Go back around, throttle back, carb heat off, switches on. Clothing correct, nothing sitting around in the way... I really feel relaxed and on my game. First pull almost starts, but seems to flood itself instead. Half a dozen pulls later, decide to clear it out. I've always figured this was the most dangerous of things to do hand propping, so really going slow now... Throttle open full, carb heat off, switches off. Still careful to assume it could start, pull it though a dozen times backwards. Back to the cockpit, carb heat off, switches on. Pull it through, surprised it didn't start... took a deep breath, went back to the cockpit and pulled the throttle back...! D'oh! Tied down, still, REALLY happy it didn't start up on me. Man, NOTHING was distracting me. Not in a hurry at all, wasn't even going flying. Still missed it. When it's out of the hangar, I always tie off one wheel when I start it, and try to park in a depression, up against concrete, push it off concrete if I can, etc. From now on, tieing off both wheels. There's just nothing about flying these things you can take for granted. Not a single little thing. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438032#438032


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    Time: 03:17:26 PM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: flooded starts---, WARNING
    Mike Danforth's post (Tools) below was an EXCELLENT reminder of how scary this stuff can be, even when we are not distracted as he describes below! This is a really good post---thank you for sharing this and if it hasn't happened to us, it just might even when you least expect it. What Mike describes below happens to the little Continentals from time to t ime and his procedure for clearing out the carb is exactly what I was taught and it works but it is really the time (especially when alone) w hen you want the plane tied down, for sure. I end up tying the tail of my plane to the tow hitch on my Ford Explorer wh en I have to do this clearing procedure or find a tie-down ring on the ramp and even then I'm operating in a 'holy moly' mindset. So glad this story turned out well and thank you for sharing it. Mike C. Ohio PS-let me tell you about the first year I went to Oshkosh with my plane. I had it ALL packed, ready to go. Full fuel, full oil, charts ready, everything was perfect including the weather. I start the airplane, taxi out and stop to do all my pretakeoff checks. I advance the throttle, check left mag, check right mag......1800 rpm....carb heat on and the engin e STOPS cold. Mr. Oshkosh-bound forgot to turn on the fuel. Thank God I didn't just throttle up and go because I would have had the eng ine STOP on climb out over the trees and wires! @yahoo.com>> So there I was.... Just a few weeks ago, haven't been up in the Piet in a couple months. It w as cold, so wasn't planning on going flying, thought I'd start it up, warm up the oil, etc. Not in a hurry, no onlookers distracting me. Just wanted to blow out some cobwebs, which I could do right in the hangar, where it was (thankfully...) tied down three points. Check throttle back, carb heat off, switches off. Pull it through ten or s o times, give it time to gas off in the cylinders. Go back around, throttl e back, carb heat off, switches on. Clothing correct, nothing sitting around in the way... I really feel relaxe d and on my game. First pull almost starts, but seems to flood itself inst ead. Half a dozen pulls later, decide to clear it out. I've always figured this was the most dangerous of things to do hand proppi ng, so really going slow now... Throttle open full, carb heat off, switches off. Still careful to assume it could start, pull it though a dozen times backwards. Back to the cockpit, carb heat off, switches on. Pull it through, surprise d it didn't start... took a deep breath, went back to the cockpit and pulle d the throttle back...! D'oh! Tied down, still, REALLY happy it didn't start up on me. Man, NOTHING was distracting me. Not in a hurry at all, wasn't even going flying. Still missed it. When it's out of the hangar, I always tie off one wheel when I start it, an d try to park in a depression, up against concrete, push it off concrete if I can, etc. From now on, tieing off both wheels. There's just nothing about flying these things you can take for granted. N ot a single little thing. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438032#438032


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    Time: 03:43:03 PM PST US
    From: "Dick N" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
    Subject: Re: Propping planes, WARNING
    Hey Tools, All that stuff you checked but you didnt say anything about washing the wings down, just a thought. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 4:52 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Propping planes, WARNING > > So there I was.... > > Just a few weeks ago, haven't been up in the Piet in a couple months. It > was cold, so wasn't planning on going flying, thought I'd start it up, > warm up the oil, etc. > > Not in a hurry, no onlookers distracting me. Just wanted to blow out some > cobwebs, which I could do right in the hangar, where it was > (thankfully...) tied down three points. > > Check throttle back, carb heat off, switches off. Pull it through ten or > so times, give it time to gas off in the cylinders. Go back around, > throttle back, carb heat off, switches on. > > Clothing correct, nothing sitting around in the way... I really feel > relaxed and on my game. First pull almost starts, but seems to flood > itself instead. Half a dozen pulls later, decide to clear it out. > > I've always figured this was the most dangerous of things to do hand > propping, so really going slow now... Throttle open full, carb heat off, > switches off. Still careful to assume it could start, pull it though a > dozen times backwards. > > Back to the cockpit, carb heat off, switches on. Pull it through, > surprised it didn't start... took a deep breath, went back to the cockpit > and pulled the throttle back...! D'oh! > > Tied down, still, REALLY happy it didn't start up on me. > > Man, NOTHING was distracting me. Not in a hurry at all, wasn't even going > flying. Still missed it. > > When it's out of the hangar, I always tie off one wheel when I start it, > and try to park in a depression, up against concrete, push it off concrete > if I can, etc. From now on, tieing off both wheels. > > There's just nothing about flying these things you can take for granted. > Not a single little thing. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438032#438032 > > >


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    Time: 05:16:53 PM PST US
    From: John Letkeman <pilot@fehrs.com>
    Subject: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner
    Thanks Steve, I will keep you posted of any flights to your area. John Sent from my iPad On Feb 3, 2015, at 7:45 AM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com<mailto :steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>> wrote: John, No need for a rental car. I live about 10 min from both San Antonio I nternational and Stinson (the GA reliever, and second oldest General Aviati on airport in the US, est 1915) From either of these it is 40 min to San Ge ronimo where my plane is. I will haul you around, I just mentioned it for planning purposes. I work u ntil about 3PM most weekdays. Give me some forwarning and I will let you see my project. PS I have heard that "Der Faker Fokker" a highly modified Piet is at the Ai r museum at Stinson. On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 10:31 PM, John Letkeman <pilot@fehrs.com<mailto:pilo t@fehrs.com>> wrote: Thanks Steve! I may take you up on that, I could just jump in a rental car, do you have any pictures of your Piet on this forum? John Sent from my iPad On Feb 1, 2015, at 9:09 AM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com<mailto :steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>> wrote: Yes, I am smack dab in the middle. I live on Fort Sam Houston. with some warning I could haul you out to look over my project. Note it tak es 40 min to get there from almost any airport. Steve D On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 8:56 AM, John Letkeman <pilot@fehrs.com<mailto:pilot @fehrs.com>> wrote: 90% done 50% to go! So true! I have spent a lot of time measuring parts and looking at the plans already! Are you in the San Antonio area? I fly my boss there occasionally. John Sent from my iPad On Jan 31, 2015, at 10:10 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com<mail to:steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>> wrote: John, It looks 90% complete. That means there is only 50% to go! Seriously, Don't be surprised if you spend some time figuring out why or ho w the last builder did something. I spend a lot of time doing just that. If you can't find a local Pietenpol or even (Heaven forbid) Grega, look aro und for someone who has built a Bowers Flybaby. While very different in man y ways (low wing, single seat), there are a lot of building similarities (W ood frame, cloth, A65) One of my problem solving mentors built a fly baby. He is full of informati on. He also gets me to simplify my sometimes overly complex thoughts. IE, " Rather than custom machining a mount, why don't you just burn a hole in the fabric and turn the bolt around!" "Use one long screw instead of two short ones." He really wants me to get my plane flying because, "no one else fl ies as slow as I do." Oscar also helped me by getting me to write down everything I thought I wan ted to do. Then he had me do a shorter list of everything that had to be do ne to fly safely. Work off of that list first, then later you can add bells and whistles (or guns and bombs and smoke, and horns that play songs) Blue Skies, Steve D On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 3:40 PM, John Letkeman <pilot@fehrs.com<mailto:pilo t@fehrs.com>> wrote: :pilot@fehrs.com>> Oscar, Although I've been flying for 15 years, I'm pretty new to experimental airc raft, I've been interested in the Pietenpol for as long as I've been flying, I ne ed too research the FAR's And find out what the steps are too getting N-# and airworthiness certifica te, I'm ok with not getting repairman certificate, is Raymond Hanover on th is forum? I would like too visit with him, He's only about a two hour flight in the C170. Thanks John Sent from my iPad > On Jan 30, 2015, at 6:38 AM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com<mailto:tail drags@hotmail.com>> wrote: > mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com>> > > John; there's nothing wrong with you being the builder... the FARs just s ay that the airplane has be be amateur-built but it doesn't say you have to be the only builder. My Piet and most others have been through several ha nds before being completed by the second, third, or more builders. What yo u're probably saying is that you probably will not qualify to get the repai rman's certificate for it. That would permit you to do your own condition inspections on it, and for that you have to convince your DAR that you've d one enough of the work on it that you're so familiar with it that you can i nspect it. With the wings and fuselage covered and painted, I don't think you have much hope of getting that cert. > > You do have a nearby neighbor (nearby, if measured by Texas standards)- R aymond Hanover is up in Skellytown and is in test flights with his Corvair- powered GN-1. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437857#437857 > > br> enpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pieten pol-List FORUMS - _blank">http://forums.matronics.com b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Blue Skies, Steve D ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ics.com<http://ics.com> .matronics.com/contribution<http://matronics.com/contribution> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com<http://forums.matronics.com> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Blue Skies, Steve D ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ics.com<http://ics.com> .matronics.com/contribution<http://matronics.com/contribution> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Blue Skies, Steve D


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    Time: 06:26:16 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: flooded starts---, WARNING
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    Hehe, uh, ya, it was my pleasure to reveal my... you get the idea! We actually had a formal name for this sort of thing in Navy safety training called true confessions. We set aside about a half hour every safety stand down and folks just fessed up. No harm, no foul... was VERY beneficial. Which reminds me... so there I ALMOST was... I don't turn off the fuel shutoffs in my plane. I can't remember exactly how it happened, but after a ride, maybe letting someone else fly, something, I caught someone ELSE turning off the shutoff. I'm not sure how many times I've flown without REALLY checking those things. There but by the grace of God go I... At work, I don't hit the head without reading a check list out loud. Hey, this Piet doesn't have flaps, mixture, prop, gear... why would I need a checklist... geesh... I, too, LOVE these discussions. ESPECIALLY when it's just a close call. Nonetheless, talking about ANY learning experience helps the collective consciousness. Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438036#438036


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    Time: 06:28:19 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Propping planes, WARNING
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    We did! BUT, there's always a but, the birds are still there. Need to get that danged hangar finished up and the birds out. She's flying great though. Need to stop by on the way south to SnF and say hi to her... pretty sure she misses you! Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438037#438037


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    Time: 06:36:48 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Cold Weather Piet
    From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
    My guess is a hinge on the side. A buddy's Flybaby has a canopy like this. He uses it for the extreme cold weather here in South Texas. Blue Skies, Steve D On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 4:18 PM, AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> wrote: > Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> > > Yep, looks like a big rudder Gary. I think it could be classified as a > flipper cause it is apparently cold and wet up there. How do you get into > the thing. I don't see any slides on the rear canopy, and the front??? > Maybe you remove it then put it back on after you get the victim loaded. I > mean passenger. > > Any guesses anyone???????????? > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438029#438029 > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D


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    Time: 07:08:28 PM PST US
    From: Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Cold Weather Piet
    A long ferry flight to CA! Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Feb 3, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > > Ever wondered what a Pietenpol might look like with an enclosed canopy? > There's one listed on Kijiji for sale in Nova Scotia: > http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-other/city-of-halifax/aircraft/1045355367?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438025#438025 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_canopy_985.jpg > > > > > > >




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